IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 1 November 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:59 | Sorry, my laptop freaked and conenctions frozed.
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| 02:02 | <elias_a> muppis: :D You saved my morning!
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| 02:03 | My ISP messed speed upgrade of my connection and I am waiting for them to fix my fixed line...
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| 02:09 | <muppis> elias_a, you're welcome. I'm home now with my two kids. Younger got otitis and older is in fever and flu.
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| 02:26 | <elias_a> muppis: Hug your kids! Say that some funny man told you t... :)
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| 06:14 | <muppis> Bummer. Forgot password for nickserv..
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| 07:46 | <rudie> hello guys... can anyone help me with user config for ltsp 5 on ubuntu 10.10 desktop?
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| 07:46 | anyone?
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| 07:47 | <Appiah> what user config?
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| 07:50 | <rudie> i want to limit user disk space
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| 07:51 | the main issue is this : i have a thin client with embedded linux it connects to the ltsp on ubuntu but i have the cli prompt... can i enable gui by default?
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| 07:51 | it uses ssh
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| 07:51 | to connect
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| 07:53 | <rudie> anyone?
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| 07:54 | come on... there might be some help around here! :(
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| 07:58 | <muppis> It is called quota and used in fs level.. Works.
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| 08:05 | <Appiah> just configure the quota then rudie
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| 08:05 | there no special ltsp quota , just regular linux server stuff!
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| 08:06 | about the thin client , you dont want to PXE boot it?
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| 08:06 | <rudie> no i dont want to pxe boot
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| 08:06 | it has embedded linux in its flash memory
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| 08:07 | <Appiah> well if you can get the LDM onto the thin client ....
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| 08:07 | <rudie> when i connect to ltsp over ssh i get cli i want gui
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| 08:07 | <Appiah> (never done it before but would sure like to try someday)
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| 08:07 | <rudie> i cannot run any files on thin client
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| 08:07 | else there are many options like FreeNX
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| 08:08 | <rudie> is it possible to get the gui over ssh?
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| 08:08 | <Appiah> I bet it does not have LTSP as a option :)
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| 08:08 | LTSP uses LDM as its graphical login and handling alot of other ltsp stuff
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| 08:08 | so if you can get that onto the thin client then yes
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| 08:09 | <rudie> i have many connection types like rdp, ssh, web, etc
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| 08:09 | taratulla
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| 08:09 | <Appiah> yes I understand
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| 08:10 | <rudie> only this is the medium to connect
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| 08:10 | <Appiah> non of them are for LTSP ofcourse
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| 08:10 | <rudie> how can i get a graphical user interface then ?
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| 08:10 | :(
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| 08:11 | <Appiah> chances are 99.99% that your thin clients embeeded OS dont have a "Connect to LTSP" option
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| 08:12 | <rudie> nope it doesnt
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| 08:13 | <Appiah> Dunno if such exist O_o
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| 08:14 | 1) PXEboot 2) Reflash the memory 3) edit the embeeded OS
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| 08:14 | that's some options I can think of
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| 08:14 | <rudie> PXEboot works fine but its quiet slow
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| 08:14 | reflash? how can i?
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| 08:14 | <Appiah> errr
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| 08:15 | sorry I meant "Install another OS"
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| 08:15 | <rudie> me = noob :((
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| 08:15 | yeah but how do i do it?
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| 08:15 | on a flash memory?
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| 08:15 | its called dom i guess
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| 08:15 | <Appiah> same way you install it on harddrive or usb stick
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| 08:16 | but your space is really limited
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| 08:16 | <rudie> but which os supprts ltsp?
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| 08:16 | <Appiah> in that way
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| 08:16 | <rudie> i mean client os for ltsp?
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| 08:16 | <Appiah> I have no idea
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| 08:16 | <rudie> yeah i have 1 gb space
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| 08:16 | <Appiah> Dont know if such exist
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| 08:16 | <rudie> :(
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| 08:16 | <Appiah> I would like to have it
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| 08:16 | something you could put on a thin clients memory, no pxebooting
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| 08:16 | just starts and fires up LDM
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| 08:17 | <alkisg> If you want to use freenx, just install freenx on the server...
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| 08:18 | <rudie> i can use freenx
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| 08:18 | but how do i install it on server?
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| 08:18 | i cannot run files on this dumb linux
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| 08:18 | i dont have a terminal either
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> You mean on the client or on the server?
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| 08:18 | <rudie> this client
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| 08:19 | i cannot run files on this linux client dont have terminal too
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| 08:19 | <alkisg> What options does it have? For rdp, you can install an rdp server
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| 08:19 | <rudie> all i have is firefox n open office
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| 08:19 | <rudie> on linux server?
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| 08:19 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 08:19 | <alkisg> But *all* this is not ltsp related, so you're probably in the wrong channel...
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| 08:22 | <rudie> which channel shall i join to install rdp server on ubuntu desktop edition?
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> Maybe #ubuntu? Not sure
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| 08:24 | <rudie> no one?
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| 08:24 | k...
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| 08:24 | thanx
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> np
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| 08:24 | <rudie> thanks Appiah for listening to me
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| 08:24 | :)
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| 08:27 | <Appiah> I dont remeber if it was here on the irc or the mailing list when someone was telling about the progress on a similar solution
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| 08:27 | instead of PXEbooting , putting that image on thin client
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| 08:28 | <alkisg> I want to implement this some time (and it's been implemented in the past by some university), but there's no support for it in the current upstream code...
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| 08:29 | But I think rudie isn't looking to put LTSP in his image, otherwise he could just netboot...
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| 08:29 | (I'm interested in locally booted LTSP fat clients over wireless, which can't be netbooted easily)
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| 08:32 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: Hi !!
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 08:33 | <Trixboxer> Things are good till now :)
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| 08:33 | one small doubt
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| 08:33 | <Trixboxer> in top -c on fat client I see a process sshfs
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| 08:34 | does it mean that the nbd is using SSHFS for mounting remote sys ?
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| 08:35 | <alkisg> No, the root file system (/) is mounted with NBD and the /home/username folder is mounted with SSHFS.
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| 08:37 | <cyberorg> alkisg, ltsp image that can be installed on client DOM can be easily created using kiwi
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| 08:37 | <Appiah> ofcourse, the powerful suse has already solved this problem :)
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> cyberorg: nice, what does DOM mean?
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| 08:38 | <Appiah> memory on the thin client is called DOM
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| 08:38 | <cyberorg> alkisg, some TC comes with their own flash storage called DOM
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| 08:38 | <Appiah> Disk On Module
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> Ah, I see. Can that be a local hard disk?
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| 08:38 | (for a normal desktop used as a fat client...)
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| 08:38 | <Appiah> but that would really solve the thinclients/fatclients with wireless
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| 08:39 | wireless only*
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| 08:40 | <cyberorg> alkisg, of course, local hd image that can be dd'ed or pxeboot installed can be done too
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| 08:40 | <alkisg> Nice!
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| 08:41 | <Appiah> this kiwi features needs to go upstream..
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| 08:41 | <alkisg> cyberorg: is that possible? ^^^ or is it kiwi-depended?
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| 08:42 | <cyberorg> Appiah, kiwi needs to be ported to other distros, currently it supports suse and rh based
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| 08:42 | <Appiah> what's the kiwi in kiwi-ltsp anyways?
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| 08:43 | <cyberorg> kiwi is imaging solution, you know what ltsp is :)
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| 08:43 | <Appiah> ah :)
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| 08:43 | * alkisg would like to implement this: the clients to boot locally, but before they reach LDM, to check if opt/ltsp/i386 on the server is newer, and if it is, rsync it over wireless... that would make it rather easy to maintain labs with several netbooks | |
| 08:44 | <Appiah> !!
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| 08:44 | <ltspbot> Appiah: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
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| 08:44 | <Appiah> that would be just great
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| 08:44 | <Trixboxer> :)
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| 08:44 | <Appiah> ltspbot: shutup!
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| 08:44 | <ltspbot> Appiah: Error: "shutup!" is not a valid command.
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| 08:44 | <cyberorg> Appiah, kiwi does that too, update on boot
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| 08:44 | <Appiah> =(
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| 08:44 | <Trixboxer> haha
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> Ooooh nice!
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| 08:44 | <Appiah> Guess kiwi needs to get ported
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| 08:44 | fast
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| 08:45 | <Trixboxer> !ltspbot
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| 08:45 | <ltspbot> Trixboxer: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
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| 08:45 | <Trixboxer> hmm
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| 08:46 | alkisg: So is there anything remaining to improve the nbd performance in order to give a local HDD feel ?
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| 08:46 | <cyberorg> check out kiwi doc http://isny.homelinux.com/data/kiwi.html all the features it provides is why we use it for LTSP on opensuse
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| 08:46 | <Trixboxer> like disabling encryption 0_o
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| 08:46 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: disable nbd-proxy, re-enable compression in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf, upgrade your network to gigabit..
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| 08:47 | <Appiah> cyberorg: about porting , does kiwi not use rpm , yast and or smart? would that not make it hard to port to (example) debian ?
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| 08:47 | <cyberorg> porting shouldn't be difficult, it supports smart too
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| 08:48 | smart, yum and zypper are supported, so someone can write support to whatever deb uses easily
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| 08:49 | <Appiah> I can just start googling and reading the kiwi mailinglist but do you know of any porting efforts?
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| 08:52 | <cyberorg> Appiah, nopes, you can always drop in #kiwi and get help from schaefi, check out the code and parts which handle package manager
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| 08:53 | got to go, ciao
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| 08:53 | <Appiah> thanks
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| 08:53 | \o
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| 09:20 | <AndyGraybeal> i've set TIMESERVER=192.168.2.1 variable in lts.conf ... i've rebooted my client, but it's not picking up the time from the server. it's like 6 hours and 30 minutes off. what else should i be doing to fix this? is there a way i can test it? i can ping the time server. i just ran ntpdate 192.168.2.1 and that worked. when is the client supposed to check the time server, at startup?
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| 09:26 | <Appiah> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/InstallNTPServer looks like there's more O_o
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| 09:26 | dunno if it's changed after 8.0.4
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| 09:26 | 8.04*
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| 09:27 | <AndyGraybeal> well, that's old, and i talked to, i think it was alkisg this weekend and he said all i need to do is set TIMESERVER
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| 09:27 | i told him i would update that page if i got this to woek
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| 09:27 | work
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| 09:27 | <Appiah> never seen/heard of anyone using TIMESERVER
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| 09:27 | (this is new to me) :)
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| 09:28 | but there is ntpdate in the chroot?
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| 09:28 | <AndyGraybeal> it still looks like i need to run the script. i think alkisg said i didn't have to run the script though.
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| 09:28 | Appiah: yes, there is.
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| 09:28 | Appiah: that works fine.
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| 09:29 | <Trixboxer> can somebody from dev please update the man page of "ltsp-build-client" command to include "--fat-client" ?
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| 09:30 | if I can, I would love to but I'm not a dev*...
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| 09:30 | <AndyGraybeal> Trixboxer: you run trixbox (Asterisk?)
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| 09:30 | <Trixboxer> yup :)
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| 09:30 | <AndyGraybeal> cool :)
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| 09:31 | <Trixboxer> I don't find "--fat-client" option in "man ltsp-build-client", thought is executes pretty good :)
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| 09:31 | Using Ubuntu 10.04 as server
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| 09:32 | <Appiah> hidden feature!
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| 09:33 | <Trixboxer> Appiah: It was hidden for me till alkisg revealed it
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| 09:40 | <Appiah> hehe I remeber when lts.conf was not really fully documented
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| 09:40 | and there was a bunch of options there was no man page for
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| 09:49 | <Hyperbyte> mhm...
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| 09:49 | Recently I made a Dutch translation of LDM, for the company I work for
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| 09:50 | Someone here suggested I e-mail it to ltsp-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, which I did
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| 09:50 | Since then it's been dead quiet. Did I do it right? =)
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| 09:51 | <Appiah> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4CC05175.50000%40recreatie-zorg.nl&forum_name=ltsp-developer
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| 09:51 | very low traffic on that list
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| 09:51 | no new posts after yours (mailed in the 21th)
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| 09:52 | I'd say its normal :)
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| 09:52 | <Hyperbyte> =)
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| 09:53 | Okay, as long as it has arrived. Hopefully it'll be used. Quite happy with LTSP at the moment, very nice to be able to do something back.
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| 09:56 | <Hyperbyte> Too bad the accountant here is using some program that's not compatible with Linux. Would've saved me from having to set up an RDP server here. :-)
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| 10:23 | <AndyGraybeal> Hyperbyte: what program is your accountant using?
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| 10:23 | Hyperbyte: do you also have one of your consoles set to RDP?
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| 11:10 | <AndyGraybeal> gah.. something happened and i can't login to the machines
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| 11:11 | i try to login from a client, and i'm not getting anything showing up in /var/log/auth :(
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| 11:18 | <Trixboxer> After installing a new software in host system, how can I make it accessible in fat-clients ? e.g Thunderbird or Chrome ?
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| 11:20 | <alkisg> !fatclients
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| 11:20 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "fatclients" :: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 11:20 | <alkisg> See the section about chroot customizations
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| 11:21 | <Trixboxer> are u suggesting that I should chroot to client environment first and then install the app ?
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| 11:21 | trying ...
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| 11:28 | <alkisg> Right, on fat clients the apps need to be installed on the chroot, not on the server.
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| 11:29 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: Did it but no effect on client even after rebooting, I installed chrome in chroot environment
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: did you run ltsp-update-image?
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| 11:29 | <Trixboxer> nope, initiated now
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: about the man page, see ltsp-build-client --extra-help
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| 11:30 | <AndyGraybeal> so for some reason i don't have /opt/ltsp ....
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| 11:31 | i'm very scared.
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| 11:32 | <alkisg> AndyGraybeal: erm, did you say you're having login problems? How did your client boot without /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img?!
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| 11:33 | About the TIMESERVER problem, you don't have to add any scripts, it should work out of the box - if it doesn't it needs troubleshooting, but with /opt/ltsp missing that would be difficult... :(
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| 11:33 | <AndyGraybeal> alkisg: yea, this is a totally different issue.. i don't know what the f i did.... i didn't delete anything
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| 11:34 | <alkisg> AndyGraybeal: if a client is booted, `ps -ef|grep nbd` will tell you the image it uses
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| 11:34 | <AndyGraybeal> alkisg: no one can login... the thing boots thouhg.. i'm so confused.
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| 11:34 | okay thank you
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| 11:34 | oh wait.. i was stil in chroot
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| 11:34 | <alkisg> AndyGraybeal: about the login problem, if you changed your server's IP, then ltsp-update-sshkeys && ltsp-update-image is needed
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| 11:34 | Heh :)
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| 11:35 | <AndyGraybeal> gah that's not the first time i've done that
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| 11:35 | alkisg: i haven't changed the IP address.. but i did 'start' the ssh daemon
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| 11:35 | i tried to install 'openssh-server' but i think it said it was already up dated
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| 11:36 | i'm sorry for this panic
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> You can run those commands if you like, or you can troubleshoot by using SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf and trying "ssh user@server" from there
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| 11:36 | <AndyGraybeal> ssh_user@server (server = ip address of ltsp server?)
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| 11:36 | thank you
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> AndyGraybeal: the exact word "server"
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| 11:36 | <AndyGraybeal> lemme run update-sshkeys first
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> ssh <user>@server
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| 11:37 | You only replace <user> in that line
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| 11:37 | <AndyGraybeal> aah interesting, okay.
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> !sshkeys
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| 11:37 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "sshkeys" is not a valid command.
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> !learn sshkeys as If you changed your LTSP server IP on Ubuntu, your clients will be unable to login. To fix this, you need to run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 11:38 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:38 | <Kicer86> hi, where do i faind some docs about setting up sound in ltsp?
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| 11:38 | find*
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> distro/version?
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| 11:39 | <Kicer86> debian squeeze'
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| 11:40 | currently i've pulseaudio is running on server and client but no sound in speakers...
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> No idea about sound on Debian, if noone answers try in a few hours when usually the debian maintainer signs in
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| 11:42 | <Kicer86> kk
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| 11:42 | <AndyGraybeal> alkisg: your a life saver! holy crap sshkeys update worked.
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| 11:43 | * alkisg adds "life saver" in his CV... :P :D | |
| 11:46 | <AndyGraybeal> :)
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| 11:48 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: still no luck
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: so you run sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install app && sudo ltsp-update-image and then rebooted the client and you don't see the app?
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| 11:49 | <Trixboxer> yes
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| 11:49 | strange thing is
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| 11:50 | even after installing chrome in chroot env
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| 11:50 | it dint go in /usr/bin/
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| 11:50 | i think problem lies here
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| 11:51 | * alkisg will be back in 2h, bye all... | |
| 11:51 | <AndyGraybeal> thank you alkisg !
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| 11:53 | <AndyGraybeal> does anyone use Nagios/NRPE client on their thin clients?
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| 11:54 | does anyone use apcupsd on these clients also?
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| 13:02 | <Kicer86> is there already debian maintainer?
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| 13:07 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 13:08 | * vagrantc maintains ltsp for debian | |
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| 13:19 | <Kicer86> do you have some docs or howto for setting up sound in ltsp ?
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| 13:19 | couse i'm having some problems ;)
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| 13:25 | <vagrantc> Kicer86: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound
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| 13:25 | !release
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| 13:25 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" :: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 13:26 | <Kicer86> thx
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| 13:27 | but you could add one info;)
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| 13:27 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 13:28 | <Kicer86> i'm supposed to install alsa plugin for pulseaudio on server or thinclient environment ?:>
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| 13:29 | <vagrantc> if you should install it in the chroot, it will explicitly tell you to do so
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc> Kicer86: technically, i think you need libasound2-plugins on both the server and the chroot, but by default it should already be in the chroot.
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| 13:38 | <Kicer86> indeed they are
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| 13:39 | <vagrantc> so the /etc/asound.conf is only needed on the server.
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| 13:42 | <Kicer86> i see, but i don't have such file, i've created it and restarted alsa on server but still no sound
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| 13:47 | sound is playing on server
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc> what application is playing sound?
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| 13:49 | <Kicer86> totem
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| 13:50 | <Kicer86> a tried alsa smplayer, and set alsa as output
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| 13:51 | <Kicer86> also*
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> what version of ltsp do you have installed?
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| 13:51 | does ltsp-info output anything?
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| 13:51 | (and if so, please paste to a pastebot)
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| 13:51 | !pastebot
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| 13:51 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: did you solve your google chrome problem?
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| 13:54 | <Kicer86> http://ltsp.pastebin.com./U5AbjMDp
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| 13:54 | my chroot is in some other place than /opt
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> Kicer86: well, that makes things more annoying :P
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| 13:56 | probably not the cause of your problem, but makes it harder to troubleshoot
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| 13:56 | <Kicer86> my chroot ?
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> yes ... using the non-default location
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| 13:57 | <Kicer86> what's the different ?:P
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| 13:57 | <vagrantc> well, you've already pointed out one difference ...
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| 13:57 | so ...
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| 13:57 | BASE=/whereever/you/put/your/chroot ltsp-info
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| 13:58 | and please pastebot the results
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| 13:59 | it's not that there's anything technically wrong with putting it elsewhere ... it's just that most of the tools assume /opt/ltsp so you'll have to explicitly state the location for many/most of the tools.
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| 14:00 | <Kicer86> http://ltsp.pastebin.com./KCUbiLVs
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> looks like you're running a lenny chroot on a squeeze server ...
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| 14:02 | is that intentional?
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| 14:02 | the lenny version doesn't set the same variables that the squeeze documentation looks for
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| 14:03 | but i'd really recommend building a squeeze chroot ...
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| 14:03 | or at the very least, using lenny-backports for the chroot.
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| 14:04 | <Kicer86> then wait a sec
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> putting anything in the /mnt directory is a bit strange... that's usually used for temporary ad-hoc mounts ...
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| 14:05 | <Kicer86> is there any difference if i use aptitude update when chrooted ? or should i use ltsp-build-.... ?
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> i would start from scratch
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| 14:06 | <Kicer86> kk
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> and, if you could bear to do so, put it in /opt/ltsp :)
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| 14:06 | you can always move it later, if you must
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| 14:06 | <Kicer86> kk
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> so, be sure to use ltsp-build-client --dist squeeze ... just in case your lsb_release lies and says you're running lenny
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| 14:09 | <AndyGraybeal> does anyone use apcupsd on clients?
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> UPS ought to last a long time on a genuine thin client
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| 14:10 | though you'd still need the server to outlast it ... :)
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| 14:10 | <AndyGraybeal> vagrantc: well, it's more for monitoring the UPS with NRPE/nagios
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> AndyGraybeal: why would you want that on the thin client?
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| 14:11 | <AndyGraybeal> so i can know when to replace the battery or something like that
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> why not have the server monitor the UPS?
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| 14:12 | <AndyGraybeal> i'm confused on how to do that i suppose.
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> i guess i just don't understand what you're trying to do
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| 14:12 | <AndyGraybeal> i hvae UPS on my server, and UPS on each of the clients. i have apcupsd on the server.. and i monitor it with nagios. i would like to do the same for the clients.
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> connected to the UPS with serial cables?
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| 14:13 | <AndyGraybeal> well, with usb to the client, yes.
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> UPSes aren't network-capable, i'm guessing
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| 14:14 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: nope
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| 14:14 | <AndyGraybeal> vagrantc: not that i'm aware of
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| 14:14 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: I don know why but its not showing chrome in clinet
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| 14:14 | client*
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| 14:14 | <AndyGraybeal> i have APC ups's.. maybe their not such high quality.
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| 14:15 | vagrantc: i'm going to try it out, it sounds like it hasn' tbeen done yet. can you forsee any problem with me running apcupsd on the clients?
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> AndyGraybeal: well, if acquiring network cards for your UPSes is an option, that would definitely simplify things ... but if that isn't an option...
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| 14:16 | <AndyGraybeal> i don't think there is such an option, lemme google.
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> AndyGraybeal: the main problem i see running it on the clients is getting each client to recognize the appropriate UPS
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| 14:16 | <AndyGraybeal> http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=98
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: is that chromium-browser, or google chrome? If the latter, how did you install it to the chroot?
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| 14:16 | <AndyGraybeal> i thought all i would have to do is edit apcupsd.conf and tell it 'usb' :)
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> we played around with using USB serial adapters for a while, and finally switched to networked setup... much simpler.
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| 14:17 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: chromium-browser
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> AndyGraybeal: nothing like giving it a whirl :)
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: ok, on a fat client, try: dpkg -l chromium-browser
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| 14:17 | <AndyGraybeal> vagrantc: i've didn't realize there was 'network management cards' for UPS's
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| 14:18 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: no package found
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: right, so it isn't installed (or you didn't run ltsp-update-image or didn't reboot the client)
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| 14:19 | <Trixboxer> done
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| 14:19 | it wrote another image
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| 14:19 | and now rebooted
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l chromium-browser
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> AndyGraybeal: they're great :)
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| 14:22 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: its installed
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: sudo mount -o loop /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img /mnt && sudo chroot /mnt dpkg -l chromium-browser && sudo umount /mnt
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| 14:24 | <Trixboxer> not able to mount
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> Is that the correct path for your image?
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| 14:24 | <Trixboxer> it says "need an entry in fstab"
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| 14:24 | lemme check
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| 14:24 | I have 2 images there i386.img and fat-i386.img
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| 14:25 | <alkisg> Ah. Why?
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| 14:25 | Also in that case, every time you run ltsp-update-image etc you need to tell it about that new path you're using.
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| 14:25 | <Trixboxer> example ?
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> ltsp-update-image --arch fat-i386
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| 14:26 | <Trixboxer> oh
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> It'd be much simpler if you just had 1 chroot
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| 14:26 | So if you don't have some specific reason to have 2, just keep one of them
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| 14:27 | <Trixboxer> is it safe to delete both and create a new one ?
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> Sure, but it'd take a lot of time and you don't need to do it
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| 14:27 | Try this:
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| 14:27 | du -sh /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 14:27 | du -sh /opt/ltsp/fat-i386
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| 14:27 | Ah, better yet:
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| 14:28 | ls /opt/ltsp/*/etc/ltsp_fatchroot
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| 14:28 | This will verify that fat-i386 is the fat one, the one you want to keep
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| 14:28 | <Trixboxer> ok give me a min
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| 14:28 | its updating the image
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> ls /opt/ltsp/*/etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
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| 14:29 | ^^ that's the correct one
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> So if fat-i386 is the correct one, delete the i386 one and rename fat-i386 to plain i386
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| 14:30 | <Trixboxer> I did it before
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| 14:30 | like 4 hours before
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| 14:31 | ok
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: if you did it before, then maybe your dhcp server is pointing to the old image
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| 14:31 | <Trixboxer> now my /opt/ltsp has i386 and images
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: ls -lha /opt/ltsp/images
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| 14:32 | <Trixboxer> 2 images
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> Delete the small one
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| 14:32 | (or the old one depending on what you did)
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| 14:32 | <Trixboxer> hmm
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| 14:32 | done
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> Now check your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 14:33 | ...and your /etc/inetd.conf
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| 14:34 | <Trixboxer> 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 14:34 | 2001 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/fat-i386.img
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| 14:34 | /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is Ok
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> Delete the fat-i386 line from inetd.conf and restart inetd
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| 14:35 | Also check the port in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 14:35 | <Trixboxer> oki
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> (and delete /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/fat-i386/
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| 14:37 | <Trixboxer> hmm /pxelinux.cfg/default has wrong nbd port is it safe to modify it ?
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| 14:44 | <Kicer86> vagrantc: after update to squeeze, sound is working, thx
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> Kicer86: :)
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> glad it was something as simple as that :)
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| 14:50 | <Kicer86> anyway as i can see there is no option in udev directory to enable hdd ?
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| 14:50 | ;)
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> Kicer86: that changed to an lts.conf option ... should be mentioned in /usr/share/doc/*/NEWS.Debian in one of the ltspfs packages
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| 14:51 | or /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltspfs*/README.Debian
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| 14:52 | Kicer86: LOCALDEV_DENY* ... you can install ltsp-docs and man lts.conf for more information ...
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: yes, you can safely modify it
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| 14:59 | <Trixboxer> done it
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| 14:59 | rebooted server
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| 15:00 | <Trixboxer> and now client says cant connect to NBD :)
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| 15:00 | back to square 1
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| 15:00 | <Kicer86> ok it's working, thx
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: did you restart inetd?
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| 15:01 | <Trixboxer> Done, ltsp-update-image, ltsp-update-kernels, ltsp-update-sshkeys then restarted server
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: ok, put the following info to pastebin:
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| 15:02 | grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 15:02 | ls -lha /opt/ltsp/images
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| 15:02 | cat /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 15:02 | cat /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> Btw, the next time you run ltsp-update-image, run it with the --force parameter so that it re-assigns the nbd ports now that you only have 1 image
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| 15:04 | (and since you were looking for speed, you could also disable nbd-proxy and re-enable compression for 3x disk speed)
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| 15:05 | <Trixboxer> yeah its the nbd port conflict again and here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/LekY7nGH
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| 15:05 | alkisg: disable nbd-proxy from lts.conf ?
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> Is that lucid?
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| 15:05 | <Trixboxer> yes
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| 15:06 | can I add it to kernel ?
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| 15:06 | BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS="quiet splash nbd_proxy=false"
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> You'd need to get a newer version for one script, comment #13 in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/589034
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| 15:06 | So nbd_proxy=false is needed but it isn't enough
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| 15:07 | (for Lucid, it is enough only for maverick which has the newer script version)
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| 15:07 | Or if you prefer you can add my ppa in your sources and update your chroot...
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| 15:09 | (the "connect to nbd failed" problem of course is because of the port, temporarily change it manually to 2000 and next time put --force to ltsp-update-image)
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| 15:09 | <Trixboxer> trying the force option and then will disable the nbd_proxy
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| 15:15 | <Kicer86> last problem: using X_MODE_0=1024x768 doesn't work. thin client starts with 800x600. with debian lenny's ltsp it was ok
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| 15:16 | XRANDR_MODE_0 has no effect too
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| 15:16 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: why nbd_proxy is introduced ? I read that you are also a part of it
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> No, I'm not, I don't even use it
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| 15:17 | Where did you read that?
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| 15:17 | (that's why I put the nbd_proxy=false parameter, because nbd-proxy has caused some problems in my systems and I didn't want to use it..)
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| 15:18 | <Trixboxer> no no, I read that u are working on its removal ? on the same #ltsp channel but lost in logs
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| 15:18 | ok, now i downloaded the new ltsp_nbd
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> Nope, I'm not working on its removal either :)
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| 15:18 | Some people need it, I was just looking for an option to disable it on my labs
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| 15:19 | <Trixboxer> huh, I think I need a tea then :@
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> Kicer86: probably an issue with the switch to kernel-mode-setting ... depends on your video card ... look for bugs in the appropriate xserver-xorg-video-* packages.
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| 15:19 | <Trixboxer> i downloaded the new ltsp_nbd, chroot , update-initramfs -u , and then on main server ltsp-update-kernels
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: I do think that forking nbd-client would result in a more efficient implementation, but it's not my call, I was only looking for a method to disable it....
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| 15:20 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: rebooting the server now
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: you won't get much performance improvement with that
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| 15:20 | <Trixboxer> with nbd_proxy disable ?
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> You'd need to also disable compression in ltsp-update-image.conf like I told you some hours ago
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| 15:21 | <Trixboxer> oops, I missed it, ok will disable after this reboot
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> (the compression gives the most speed-up, but I heard that nbd-proxy has problems with compressed images, and that's why compression was disabled in Lucid, so that's why I told you to disable nbd-proxy while enabling the compression)
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| 15:21 | <Trixboxer> recalling days of windows when I need to reboot after every driver installation :P
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> No need to reboot the server after updating your image...
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| 15:22 | <Kicer86> vagrantc: ok, thx
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: your current /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img is 1.7 Gb, after enabling the compression and running ltsp-update-image it will get 2-3 times smaller, giving you 2-3 times better disk speed.
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| 15:24 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: yes the image size now is 1.7 gb
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| 15:24 | and I see that client booted safely
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| 15:25 | now checking out how to enable the compression
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> Comment the line "NO_COMP="-noF -noD -noI -no-exports"" in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf
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| 15:26 | (or delete it)
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| 15:26 | <Trixboxer> ko
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> Then run ltsp-update-image once more :)
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| 15:27 | ..and ls -lha /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img to see the difference
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| 15:27 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: now I can see the chrome in client
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| 15:27 | yahooo
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| 15:28 | alkisg: the lines in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf says that enabling compression may result in unstable image
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> I didn't observe that in more than 1000 clients
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| 15:29 | I suspect that the instability may be caused by nbd-proxy, but I can't say for sure until I see instability :)
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| 15:29 | (nbd-proxy with compression on)
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| 15:29 | <Trixboxer> hmm ok, updating the image
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| 15:31 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: Chrome is not starting, when I checked logs it says "lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions"
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| 15:31 | <rpm_> Hi everyone, does anyone know what could cause the thin clients to randomly loose the ablity to produce sound? I am running 10.04 cluster, sometimes the clients boot up with the drivers present but not able to produce any sound, if I install an external sound card (usb) it works but the internal doesn't?
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: see the comment on the wiki page about the apps not running with sshfs and that need an nfs /home
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> Chromium-browser is one of them
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| 15:31 | <Trixboxer> aah
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> !fatclients
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| 15:32 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "fatclients" :: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> Someone here reported that it used some workaround to force chrome to put its locks elsewhere (while still using sshfs), but I don't remember the details, you can probably find his workaround in the logs
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| 15:34 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: so shall I go with NFS_HOME ?
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> Exporting /home with NFS may have some security impact, it's up to you to decide
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| 15:35 | <Trixboxer> alkisg, hmm cant mix users home's
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| 15:36 | <Trixboxer> 668M image now :)
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> So your net disk access should be 2.5 times faster now :)
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| 15:38 | <Trixboxer> yeah it feels
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| 15:47 | <rpm_> I am running 10.04 cluster, sometimes the clients boot up with the drivers present but not able to produce any sound, if I install an external sound card (usb) it works but the internal doesn't?
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| 15:52 | I guess this means no-one has any Ideas?
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| 15:57 | <rpm_> thanks anyway guys.
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> wait longer...
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> or not
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| 16:07 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: Thanks a ton for bearing me :) It's running good and much improved. Will do rest tomo. God bless you !!
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 17:42 | <markit> hi ppl, hi alkisg :)
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| 17:42 | <alkisg> Hi markit
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| 17:43 | <markit> alkisg: do you know if kubuntu 10.10 still needs ndb-proxy patch? I've "upgraded" the school server to 10.10, but now is at my home and can't test with many clients
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> nbd-proxy should be enabled by default in 10.10. If you want to disable it, follow the instructions on the bug report
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| 17:44 | <markit> alkisg: I thought that the problems was not it being enabled, but a "fix" broke it, so hoped they fixed the fix
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> markit: ?
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| 17:44 | <markit> in recent ltsp there is the statement "that now nbd-prxy can be disabled" , but did not found how to do it
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> nbd-proxy is enabled by default in ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10
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| 17:45 | <markit> alkisg: I thought that nbd-proxy was there since long time, and worked fine, until some developer "improved" it an broke it... are you telling me it never worked?
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| 17:45 | alkisg: yes, I know is enabled by default, but if you read the changelog of 10.10 ltsp, states that now is possible to disable
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> No, I'm telling you that it was only recently added, and only a few people (me included) had to disable it
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| 17:46 | <markit> so seems like they added a config option
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| 17:46 | ah, me included :)
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> I know that it is possible to disable it, I added the disabling code because it had problems in my setups and I didn't want to use it...
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> As I said, follow the instructions I posted on the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/589034
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| 17:47 | (last 2 comments)
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| 17:48 | <markit> thanks, but what i mean is that
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| 17:48 | ltsp (5.2.4-0ubuntu1) maverick
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| 17:48 | " * allow disabling nbd-proxy and disable it on low-memory systems"
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> Right, I added that part. So?
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| 17:49 | OK let's get this from the start
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| 17:49 | <markit> so is it so complicated to disable in maverik?
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| 17:49 | <alkisg> No, it isn't, read the last 2 comments in the bug report
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| 17:49 | <markit> the bug you pointed me to consists in 4 steps
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| 17:49 | Alkis Georgopoulos wrote on 2010-10-25:
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| 17:49 | that is you :)
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| 17:49 | and follows 4 steps
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| 17:49 | <alkisg> " Common steps for Lucid and Maverick:"
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| 17:49 | There are 2 steps there
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| 17:50 | The previous 2 are for lucid, which didn't contain an option to disable nbd-proxy
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| 17:50 | <markit> ops, I've got it now
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| 17:50 | should read more carefully
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| 17:50 | alkisg: ok, so I just have to add "thanks you fro having added that patch" :)
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> Erm, I added the code before the bug report was even filed... :D
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| 17:51 | ...so I didn't use the patch from the bug report...
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| 17:53 | <markit> btw, are you still improving your script sch-scripts and updating .debs also?
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| 17:53 | I definetly have to try to install it this or the next week
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> Yes, but I'm not producing any newer i18n versions because it seems like only dgroos is using it :)
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| 17:55 | We've added support for sending messages, for getting a user or a root client console in the teacher pc etc, lots of new stuff
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| 17:56 | I think the last i18n version is 10.04.38, now we're at 10.04.51.
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| 17:56 | <markit> i18n version? I thought was not i18n and just dgross translated "by hand" in english
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| 17:57 | * markit confused | |
| 17:57 | <alkisg> In order for you or any other interested people to try it, I uploaded i18n .deb files and I sent you the link for it...
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| 17:57 | (I mean, in english, not multilingual...)
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| 17:58 | <markit> ah, I see
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| 18:00 | any regression in 10.10 and ltsp that cames with it that I should be aware of?
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| 18:01 | <alkisg> No idea, I'm sticking to 10.04 until the next LTS comes out :)
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| 18:02 | <markit> good idea, but unfortunatly recent kde is not backported to 10.04, and I also needed more recent scribus-ng
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| 18:02 | also I think I'm a bit masochist... so I upgraded :)
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| 18:02 | <vagrantc> can separate your application server from your LTSP server.
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| 18:03 | <markit> vagrantc: is it a question?
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| 18:04 | <vagrantc> markit: no, a statement :)
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| 18:05 | (you) can ...
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| 18:05 | <markit> mmm interesting but sounds too complicated at the moment
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| 18:05 | expecially if maverik works fine, I do hope
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| 18:06 | <vagrantc> hope is useful to have
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| 19:11 | <markit> good night :)
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