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Channel log from 18 October 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:00 | <masus> hi all, can anybody help me please i use debian etch with ltsp server it's worked fine with my notebook but with my multi pc not and my problem is -> init: .: 152: Can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf \ Kernel panic - not syncing: Attemted to kill init! Thanks All.
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| 09:19 | <masus> :(
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| 09:20 | <nubae1> masus: the debian folks are on later on...
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| 09:23 | <masus> ?
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| 09:23 | sorry my english is not very well
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| 09:23 | i dont understand it
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| 09:23 | on later on ?
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| 09:24 | can anybody help me please
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| 09:57 | <masus> thanks
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| 09:57 | by
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| 09:57 | :)
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> ogra, just an idea: http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5707/greeterde6.png
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| 10:15 | <ogra> alkisg, as i said, wont work without changing the complete backend design which is built n a step by setp way
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> ogra, usernames could come from lts.conf, and username/password could be sent one-by-one, no?
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| 10:16 | <ogra> it expects to recieve one, send something, recieve another, send anoter etc
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> ok, but that can be arranged even if both of them are shown on the interface...
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| 10:17 | Even as an option, it would be very easier for kids 12-14 years old...
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| 10:17 | <ogra> not without changing the backend atm
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> (with no computer experience)
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| 10:17 | ogra, ok... :)
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| 10:17 | <ogra> and i will never accept user lists until someone shows me a 100% safe way that doesnt expose them on the server
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| 10:18 | i dont say the change to the backend must be huge
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> ogra, if they're manually put to lts.conf, where's the security break?
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| 10:18 | <ogra> but currently its a kind of chat protocol that expects certain things to happen in the communication
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| 10:18 | erm
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> like the "allowed users in this workstation" that are used in lts.conf now
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| 10:19 | <ogra> your lts.conf is publically available to *all* interfaces by default
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| 10:19 | via tftp
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| 10:19 | * ogra already doesnt like autologin as we have it etc | |
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| 10:19 | <highvoltage> *poof*
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> Ah, I see!! Ok, thanks, bye!
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> (E.g. I would manually put them to lts.conf and I would be 100% sure that there would be no security problems, because my server is not exposed to any PCs outside my lab... so an option would be nice... :) - ok, I'm shutting up!)
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| 10:27 | <rjune_> alkisg: does your server have internet access?
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> rjune_: yes, behind a router (NAT)
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| 10:28 | <rjune_> alkisg: so the simple problem is one user comprimises another and does things as that user
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| 10:28 | I don't know how the muekow stuff works, so I can't be all that useful
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> rjune_, an existing user can cat /etc/passwd and see the usernames...
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| 10:29 | <rjune_> yes, but not passwords
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> rjune_, on small schools we're not very worried about security, we're most concerned about usuability
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| 10:29 | <rjune_> yeah
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| 10:29 | used to be that gdm and kdm both would do autologing
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> rjune_, I never proposed that passwords would be passed to ldm!!!
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| 10:29 | <rjune_> kdm was better about it then gdm
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> anyway, it would save me 1-2 hours, the time I take to remind the kids about their usernames and so, but it's not a big problem
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| 12:05 | <stgraber> ogra: I'll really need to show you how our autologin works, it's actually pretty good (and perfectly secure)
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| 12:07 | <stgraber> oh, cool, the resara guys are coming to BTS
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| 12:13 | <rjune_> resara?
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| 12:32 | <stgraber> rjune_: a company I met this week working on a LTSP-like system, we asked them if they'd come to BTS so we can see how their work can be shared with LTSP and so that they can get a better idea of what's done in LTSP at the moment
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| 13:08 | <indradg> hi... i've question about LTSP 5 and HA clustering (hot failover).... I'm aware of the Mille-Xterm project and a few other references on the web, but is there any known work on putting LTSP 5 on a HA cluster?
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| 13:13 | <johnny> indradg, yes.. ltsp-cluster
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| 13:14 | stgraber would say more
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| 13:15 | <stgraber> indradg: millexterm is now ltsp-cluster. I'm on the phone, we can talk about it a bit later
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| 13:16 | <indradg> stgraber, thanks.. would appreciate
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| 13:16 | stgraber, johnny looking at https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster atm
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| 13:16 | <johnny> yeah.. exactly
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| 13:16 | <indradg> :)
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| 14:16 | <laprag> anyone have any experience with the old ltsp term 150 in ltsp 5, and how to tune them for better X performance?
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| 14:17 | warren says he has tried a different xorg module (openchrome) in fedora, but that does not seem to be available with ubuntu
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| 14:19 | <nubae> laprag: it is... nubae@homeserve:~/olpc-screens$ sudo apt-cache search openchrome
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| 14:19 | [sudo] password for nubae:
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| 14:19 | xserver-xorg-video-openchrome - X.Org X server -- VIA display driver
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| 14:19 | <laprag> ah
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| 14:20 | let me try that then.
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| 14:20 | do you know if it improves the X performance of these clients?
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| 14:20 | <nubae> no idea
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| 14:20 | <laprag> :/
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| 14:28 | <johnny> laprag, did you set LDM_DIRECTX=Y ?
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| 14:28 | <laprag> no
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| 14:28 | <johnny> start with that
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| 14:29 | <jammcq> oh, that should help alot
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| 14:29 | <laprag> ssh is too heavy for this thing?
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| 14:29 | <johnny> could be
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| 14:29 | <jammcq> you'll still get ssh encrypted login
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| 14:29 | <laprag> jammcq: hey big boss
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| 14:29 | <jammcq> hey my friend
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| 14:29 | <laprag> trying to get your old hardware to work
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| 14:30 | <jammcq> cool.
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| 14:30 | <rjune_> jammcq !
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| 14:30 | Howdy ragnar
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| 14:30 | <laprag> hey richard
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| 14:31 | long time
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| 14:31 | <rjune_> indeed
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| 14:31 | how's life in the frozen north? :-)
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| 14:31 | <laprag> mostly good
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| 14:32 | and dark
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| 14:32 | :-)
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| 14:32 | red wine helps
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| 14:32 | <rjune_> I bet
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| 14:32 | <mistik1> hey laprag, ltns
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| 14:33 | <mistik1> howdy rjune_
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| 14:33 | <laprag> hello there!
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| 14:33 | <rjune_> I've been making mead
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| 14:34 | not quite red wine. but nice anyway
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| 14:34 | <laprag> mistik1, rjune_: you guys making it to Maine this year?
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| 14:34 | <rjune_> I am not
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| 14:34 | I've got a lot going on
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| 14:34 | <mistik1> laprag: not this year
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| 14:34 | <rjune_> mistik1: hey man, how's life been?
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| 14:35 | <laprag> lot going on is no excuse. few of us twiddle our thumbs
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| 14:35 | <mistik1> rjune_: So far so good, I've turned into the mad hacker lately :)
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| 14:36 | <laprag> mistik1: no more woodwork?
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| 14:36 | <mistik1> I've not done any at all the last year
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| 14:36 | <rjune_> laprag: I may be moving
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| 14:36 | mistik1: good job
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| 14:36 | <mistik1> Just sitting on my butt coding
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| 14:37 | <laprag> mistik1: heh, may your coding be as good as your woodwork :)
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| 14:37 | <mistik1> hehe
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| 14:38 | <laprag> rjune_: oh. still within the us?
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| 14:38 | <rjune_> yeah
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| 14:38 | applied for a job in georgia, US
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| 14:38 | <laprag> yikes. i'll try reducing the resolution on the monitor
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| 14:38 | <mistik1> Georgia certainly seems to be the latest boom spot in the US
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| 14:38 | <laprag> or order a new tc from jim
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| 14:39 | georgia, eh? loooong way to see the ocean from there
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| 14:39 | <rjune_> no, Indiana is a LOOONG way from the ocean
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| 14:39 | <laprag> hehe. even loooonger.
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| 14:39 | <rjune_> where I would move in GA is 2 hours or so
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| 14:40 | <jammcq> laprag: you won't be ordering a tc from me. I'm no longer involved with DisklessWorkstations.com
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| 14:40 | but i'm sure Ron and erick would be happy to take your order
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| 14:40 | <mistik1> jammcq: what's this?
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| 14:40 | Too busy?
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| 14:40 | <jammcq> yeah, for almost a year now
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| 14:41 | <mistik1> wow!
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| 14:41 | I was not expecting that
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| 14:41 | <rjune_> neither was I
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| 14:41 | <jammcq> yeah, I wasn't devoting any time at all to DLW. I figured if DLW prospers, it won't be because of me, so I got out of the way
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| 14:41 | <laprag> jammcq: oh. ron running the show now?
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| 14:41 | <jammcq> yep
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| 14:41 | <laprag> ah
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| 14:41 | <mistik1> Noble of you my friend
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| 14:42 | <jammcq> and from what I hear, they're putting more time and energy into it these days and things are good there
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| 14:42 | <laprag> the business is good for him?
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| 14:42 | right
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| 14:42 | i'm happy for him
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| 14:42 | <jammcq> Ron's son Alex is working there too
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| 14:42 | hopefully at least a couple of those DLW guys will show up at BTS
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| 14:42 | I talked to erick thursday and he sounded like he was coming
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| 14:43 | <laprag> right. i'll order a tc for delivery at sw harbour to make sure :)
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| 14:43 | <laprag> by hnad
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| 14:43 | hand
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| 14:43 | <mistik1> heh
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| 14:43 | <jammcq> there ya go
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| 14:43 | theyv'e got a new model that has gigabit ethernet and supports dual-head
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| 14:44 | <laprag> dual-head? wow
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| 14:44 | <rjune_> badass
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| 14:44 | <mistik1> nice
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| 14:44 | I've heard dual head requested many times over the years
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| 14:44 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 14:45 | I think they have a customer that needed it for a certain situation
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| 14:45 | so... now they have it
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| 14:45 | I think LTSP-5 made it much easier to set up
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| 14:47 | <laprag> hmmm, X_MODE_0 = 1024x786 does not seem to have any effect. does that parameter need to go with something else?
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| 14:47 | i'm really rusty on this stuff
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| 14:47 | <jammcq> umm, /me thinks there's an option you need to specify to tell it to not auto-detect
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| 14:47 | and i'm also REALLY rusty at this ltsp stuff
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| 14:48 | <laprag> heh
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| 14:48 | <jammcq> I think the only part of ltsp-5 that came from my stuff is the getltscfg program
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| 14:49 | it's kinda like when someone renovates a building, they keep the original corner stone, so they can get the tax breaks :)
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| 14:49 | <mistik1> haha
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| 14:50 | jammcq: How do you feel about this development?
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| 14:50 | <jammcq> really good
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| 14:50 | LTSP-4.x got about as far as I could take it
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| 14:50 | <laprag> cannot find anything about no_auto_conf or somesuch in the docs
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| 14:50 | <mistik1> kinda like your baby is off to college, eh?
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| 14:50 | <rjune_> LOL
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| 14:50 | <jammcq> yeah, zackly
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| 14:51 | <laprag> heh
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| 14:51 | <mistik1> :0
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| 14:51 | <laprag> nice to see someone else building the next generation stuff
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| 14:51 | <jammcq> I need to head out. taking one of my kids to grab some quick dinner
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| 14:51 | <laprag> later my fried
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| 14:52 | friend
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| 14:52 | <mistik1> take care Jim
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| 14:52 | <laprag> enjoy dinner
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| 14:52 | <jammcq> laprag: yeah, i don't need to lift a finger, and wonderful new releases keep coming out
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| 14:52 | <rjune_> talk to you later jammcq
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| 14:52 | <jammcq> yep
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| 14:52 | <laprag> sbalneav: pinh
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| 14:52 | sbalneav: ping
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| 14:52 | damn wine
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| 14:52 | ! seen sbalneav
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| 14:52 | <ltspbot> laprag: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 3 hours, 45 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <sbalneav> !sugar
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| 14:54 | <rjune_> laprag: you ever have honey wine?
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> laprag: which distro are you trying X_MODE_0 with?
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| 14:57 | i *think* it should work in Debian, but not really sure on other distros.
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| 14:58 | <laprag> vagrantc: it's ubuntu 8.04
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| 14:59 | rjune_: no, never. sounds really sweet
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> laprag, it worked fine in my 8.04. Did you put a [Default] header on top?
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> laprag: you might have to set CONFIGURE_X=True ... but i thought that stuff didn't get implemented until intrepid
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| 14:59 | <laprag> alkisg: yup
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> (configure_x set to False by default, that is)
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| 14:59 | <rjune_> laprag: you should try it sometime, also called mead.
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| 14:59 | really good. though not always sweet
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> the best mead isn't sweet at all
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| 15:00 | <laprag> vagrantc: will that then require all other xorg params to be set manually?
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> or, more like a distant memory of sweetness
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| 15:00 | laprag: shouldn't
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| 15:00 | <laprag> k
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> laprag, I also have X_COLOR_DEPTH=16, maybe both are needed...
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| 15:00 | <laprag> ah, ok
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> laprag: the obvious is, can the hardware support the color depth and resolution you want?
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> e.g. sbalneav told me that both vert and horz refresh were needed to change the refresh rate, maybe both X_MODE_0 and X_COLOR_DEPTH are needed to change the resolution too.
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| 15:01 | <laprag> vagrantc: yes, it does. actually i'm going down in resolution
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i don't think so ...
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| 15:02 | laprag: look at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/configure_x.sh ... that's the script that handles it
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| 15:03 | <laprag> right
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| 15:07 | i think the lack of responsiveness is the hardware being too old. in 800x600 and 16 bits the response is fine
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| 15:08 | even shows a movie
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| 15:09 | <jhutchins_lt> To install X/KDE on ltsp, do I install it on the server, install it in the chroot, or install it from the client?
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| 15:10 | <laprag> jhutchins_lt: on the server, in the chroot
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> well...
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| 15:11 | <laprag> but X should be there by default?
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> jhutchins_lt: usually, you just install it on the server, unless you have an unusual setup.
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| 15:11 | <jhutchins_lt> do you have to do a client-build to use it though?
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> jhutchins_lt: no need to install X itself, though.
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| 15:11 | <jhutchins_lt> The server didn't have it because it was headless.
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| 15:12 | so chroot /opt/ltsp/i386; aptitude install kde should do it?
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> jhutchins_lt: just install the applications (such as KDE) that you want to run, and your distro should install whatever you need to run.
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| 15:12 | <laprag> it might have changed in LTSP5, but earlier you never needed X on the server as such
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> jhutchins_lt: no.
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| 15:12 | <jhutchins_lt> vagrantc: Log in as root on the client and install?
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> jhutchins_lt: no need to chroot.
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| 15:12 | jhutchins_lt: install it on the server.
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| 15:13 | <jhutchins_lt> Ok, here goes.
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> jhutchins_lt: unless you're doing diskless workstations.
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| 15:13 | jhutchins_lt: but that's not the default.
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| 15:13 | <jhutchins_lt> Oops! Yes!
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| 15:13 | Diskless.
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> and then you should know what you're doing :)
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| 15:13 | <jhutchins_lt> Heh.
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> jhutchins_lt: thin client, or diskless workstation?
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| 15:13 | <jhutchins_lt> Diskless PXE.
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| 15:13 | It's booted, I have console and DM, but no Desktop Environment to log in to.
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> then you would install it in the chroot ... X should already be installed in most LTSP environments
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| 15:14 | jhutchins_lt: how did you build the LTSP environment?
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| 15:14 | <jhutchins_lt> Ah ha! X is installed.
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| 15:14 | * vagrantc is worried that there is infinite confusion going on at the moment. | |
| 15:14 | <jhutchins_lt> Followed the debian wiki article: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> ok, then you should just install KDE on the server.
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| 15:15 | <jhutchins_lt> vagrantc: Oh, there's confusion, but it's pretty finite.
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| 15:15 | vagrantc: chroot or not?
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| 15:15 | * vagrantc asserts infinite. | |
| 15:15 | <vagrantc> jhutchins_lt: do you want a typical LTSP environment, or something else?
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| 15:16 | <jhutchins_lt> Would like to be fairly standard so that it matches up to howto's and such.
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| 15:16 | <laprag> with infinite confusion, what is typical?
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> jhutchins_lt: ok, so install it on the server itself. don't mess with the chroot.
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| 15:16 | <jhutchins_lt> ok.
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| 15:16 | installing now.
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| 15:16 | Then will need to build/rebuild the client?
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> no
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| 15:16 | <jhutchins_lt> Just, what, reboot?
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| 15:16 | the client?
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| 15:17 | Man, I was just tickled to death when the client actually took of and booted.
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| 15:17 | This is gonna be great!
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> jhutchins_lt: install KDE (and other applications) on the server and then log in.
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| 15:18 | jhutchins_lt: glad to see your excitement :)
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| 15:18 | jhutchins_lt: then when you log out, i think it will re-connect to the server to get a list of available sessions
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| 15:18 | jhutchins_lt: if not, just go ahead and reboot the thin client.
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| 15:22 | <laprag> alkisg: it seems X_MODE_0 and COLOR_DEPTH are unrelated
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> laprag, also check if your lts.conf gets transferred to the clients, e.g. with dnsmasq < 2.42 as a tftp server it didn't... oh, and it's on /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf in ltsp 5.
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| 15:24 | <laprag> alkisg: thanks. i've confirmed lts.conf is read
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| 15:25 | actually, getting ltsp 5 installed is incredibly easy
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| 15:29 | vagrantc: hmmm, I think it must be /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/configure-x.sh
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> ah, maybe.
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| 15:30 | we did a switch from lib -> share
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| 15:30 | guess that was after ubuntu froze hardy
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| 15:31 | <laprag> but you're right, it only honours the parameters you change in lts.conf
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| 15:37 | enough hacking tonight. good night all.
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> goodnight
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| 15:38 | <sutula> What is the setting that selects which machine is the ltsp server? I'm thinking something in dhcpd.conf must decide that somehow.
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| 15:38 | * sutula sees filenames in the example, but not hostnames | |
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> sutula, I *think* next-server (=tftp server) in dhcpd.conf, SERVER (=nbd server) in lts.conf, LDM_SERVER = login server in lts.conf. All default to next-server if not defined otherwise.
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| 15:43 | <sutula> alkisg: Thanks much...I'll try that
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| 15:44 | * sutula has a working system but is trying to separate the dhcp server from the ltsp server into different machines | |
| 15:45 | <alkisg> I got a router for dhcp server, the only things needed where option root-path, next-server and filename
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| 16:28 | <sutula> alkisg: Thanks again...that was the only thing that needed to change
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> sutula, no problem. :)
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| 19:20 | <petre> evening all
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| 19:21 | when I run ltsp-vmclient, I get an error:
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| 19:22 | "could not configure /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation"
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| 19:22 | followed by
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| 19:22 | "Could not initialize device 'tap'"
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| 19:23 | device /dev/net/tun is present
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| 19:23 | any idea what would cause this error?
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> permissions on /dev/net/tun ?
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| 19:23 | <petre> they're 666
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| 19:24 | mark of the devil, maybe that's the trouble ;-)
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> well, the beast anyway, but who's counting the hairs of a dead horse?
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| 19:25 | <petre> doh! I wasn't root
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| 19:25 | works fine when root calls it
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| 19:26 | or more precisely, I tried to call it on the console as root and it restarted gdm
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 19:26 | <petre> ssh'ing into the server from my laptop, su'ing to root and then calling it seems to be working
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| 19:27 | kinda pokey, but that's ok
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| 19:27 | with k12ltsp we used to setup xvnc to launch via xinetd
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| 19:28 | but that depends on gdm; since ltsp 5 uses ldm, is it at least conceptually possible to do the same?
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| 19:28 | so a user could point vncviewer at the server and get the same screen as clients?
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| 19:28 | user= on a fat workstation
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