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Channel log from 15 July 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:30 | <K_O-Gnom> hi folks ...
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| 06:31 | one little question .. can i change the std. ltsp kernel against every other? if yes what do i have to consider when i create a other kernel?
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| 15:28 | <timma> hello
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| 15:31 | <jammcq> timma: what problem are you having?
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| 15:34 | <timma> I am dumb on using ltsp, but I installed syslinux and run ltspcfg. Also, set the client to boot order to the nic (LANDesk which uses PXE). But I how no respone on the client except
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| 15:35 | "DHCP MAC ADDR ~~~" "BOOTP...."
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| 15:35 | <jammcq> no need to install syslinux
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| 15:35 | <timma> really
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| 15:35 | <jammcq> nope. all of the pxe stuff you need is included in the ltsp-kernel package
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| 15:36 | pxe booting should be VERY simple to set up
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| 15:36 | what distro are you using?
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| 15:36 | <timma> Debian 4 stable.
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| 15:37 | <jammcq> ok, where are you seeing 'BOOTP' ?
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| 15:37 | <timma> on the client on booting it up atfer post
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| 15:38 | <jammcq> ok, Landesk actually supports 4 different boot methods. PXE is just one of them. Are you sure you have the Landesk rom configured for PXE ?
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| 15:39 | <timma> Actually I all I did was go into the bios and changed the boot order, nothing else.
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| 15:39 | <jammcq> landesk is the 3com rom, right?
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| 15:39 | <timma> yes
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| 15:40 | <jammcq> ok, I think you need to hit a key, maybe Ctrl-C right after POST
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| 15:40 | to get into the Landesk config screen
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| 15:49 | <timma> is PXE-M00 a code?
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| 15:50 | <jammcq> sounds like it, but I don't know what the codes mean. If you are getting that, at least it tells us that you are using PXE
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| 15:51 | <timma> I tried Ctrl-C and even Ctrl-Alt-B but no response
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| 15:51 | <jammcq> ok, but are you getting a PXE-M00 error ?
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| 15:51 | <timma> yes
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| 15:51 | <jammcq> ok, it's prolly configured for PXE. Ok, do you have dhcpd setup ?
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| 15:54 | <timma> yes, but I think my config is wrong http://rafb.net/p/idO4lO23.html
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| 15:55 | Oh, my tftpboot is on the root not in the /opt/i386/ltsp folder...
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| 15:55 | <jammcq> that's ok
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| 15:56 | you are using Debian, so you'll need to add a 'next-server' entry to your dhcpd.conf file
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| 15:56 | take a look at this document:
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| 15:56 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DhcpdSiaddr
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| 15:58 | <timma> any a specific order?
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| 15:59 | and just "next-server 192.168.0.254"?
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> timma: the ltsp-server and ltsp-utils packages are incompatible ... make sure not to use them both.
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| 16:00 | <jammcq> timma: put the line up near the top of the dhcpd.conf file
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| 16:01 | <timma> how do I restart dhcpd?
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| 16:01 | <jammcq> something like: /etc/init.d/dhcpd-server restart
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| 16:01 | but... I might have the filename not completely correct
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| 16:01 | go look in /etc/init.d for the script name
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| 16:04 | <timma> oh, that's okay I just forgot about the /etc/init.d part
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| 16:04 | it will not restart though line 51 or 52 is giving an issue
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| 16:05 | vagrantc: what do I need to do uninstall both then reinstall ltsp-server. (How do I configure it then?)
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| 16:06 | forgot a bracket.
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc> timma: if you only installed the packages, you should be fine. if you ran ltsp-build-client and then ltspadmin, you may have problems.
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| 16:08 | i really wish i had put that conflicts in sooner
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| 16:12 | <timma> vagrantc I did not run ltsp-build-client, just ltspcfg and ltspadmin
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> timma: ok. you'll use ltsp 4.2 then
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| 16:13 | <timma> jammcq: would you look at http://rafb.net/p/RYVozy10.html
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| 16:14 | vagrantc do you mean instead of ltsp 5? I knew that. I am not good with linux administration yet and want to stay with Debian stable. Later I do want to use 5.
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| 16:14 | jammcq it says server not found
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| 16:15 | the server ip is 192.168.0.167
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> timma: well, LTSP 5 is in debian etch/stable ... it's the ltsp-server package
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| 16:15 | <timma> ?! since when?
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> since etch released.
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| 16:15 | and before ...
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| 16:16 | <timma> so, me using the ltsp-utils makes it 4.2?
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| 16:16 | <jammcq> timma, what did you set next-server to ?
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| 16:16 | <timma> 192.168.0.254
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| 16:16 | <jammcq> but your server IP address isn't that
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> timma: yes, ltsp-utils installs 4.2
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| 16:17 | <timma> maybe I should read the line below
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| 16:17 | on the page you gave
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| 16:22 | <timma> Now it is "PXE-E3B: TFTP Error - File Not found" http://rafb.net/p/W1KnW216.html
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| 16:24 | I know that the tftpboot folder is on / Shouldn't it be in the /opt/ltsp/i386/ folder?
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| 16:24 | <jammcq> timma: no
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| 16:24 | do this: ls -l /tftpboot/lts
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| 16:26 | <timma> http://rafb.net/p/SqQkQi95.html
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| 16:26 | it has ltsp-1 ltsp-2
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| 16:26 | <jammcq> ok, edit your dhcpd.conf file
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| 16:26 | change the 'filename' entry to:
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| 16:27 | <jammcq> "/lts/2.6.20.9-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0"
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| 16:28 | <timma> okay, I was being dumb I thought from reading the docs (v4.1) that just needed what I had.
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| 16:28 | <jammcq> nope
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| 16:28 | you may need to adjust your /etc/inetd.conf file too
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| 16:28 | which tftpd did you install ?
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| 16:28 | (debian has 3)
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> dpkg -l *tftp* | egrep ^ii
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| 16:32 | <timma> I checked synaptic and it is not tftpd. tftp-hpa version 0.43-1.1
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| 16:32 | <jammcq> tftp-hpa or tftpd-hpa ?
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| 16:33 | <timma> http://rafb.net/p/vZCMA226.html inetd.conf
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| 16:34 | tftpd-hpa
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| 16:34 | sorry
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| 16:34 | <jammcq> ok, in your inetd.conf file, see how the 'tftp' line ends with '/var/lib/tftpboot' ?
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| 16:35 | <timma> yes
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| 16:35 | <jammcq> you either need to change that, or move your kernels to /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 16:36 | to be more compatible with LTSP-5, which you might want to upgrade to, I'd suggest moving your kernel.
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| 16:36 | try: mv /tftpboot/lts /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 16:36 | if it's all the same filesystem, that should succeed
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| 16:38 | <timma> will the /tftpboot/lts change its contents with a new kernel on debian?
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| 16:39 | <jammcq> no, if you install a new ltsp kernel, it won't put it in the right place, but it's easy to move it
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| 16:39 | and we aren't releasing new kernels very often for ltsp-4.2
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| 16:41 | <timma> would doing this "mkdir /var/lib/tftpboot/ltp" then "ln -s /tftpboot/lts /var/lib/tftpboot/lts" be okay or am I thinking wrong? (for theory?)
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| 16:41 | <jammcq> it should work, if you DON'T do the mkdir
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| 16:43 | <vagrantc> some of the tftp servers are fussy about symlinks.
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| 16:46 | <timma> yep, I think the symlink did not work or do I need restart tftp?
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| 16:47 | <timma> I removed the symlink and then moved the folder, it still does not work.
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> restart your inetd ...
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| 16:47 | invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
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| 16:47 | <jammcq> he hasn't changed inetd.conf
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| 16:47 | so he shouldn't need to restart it
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| 16:48 | have you restarted dhcpd since changing the 'filename' entry?
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> ah, yes.
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| 16:49 | <timma> yes I restarted both just now.
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| 16:50 | but the same message
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| 16:50 | <jammcq> ok, do this: ls -lR /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 16:50 | and paste that to the pastebot
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| 16:50 | and... do this:
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| 16:50 | grep filename /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 16:51 | <timma> ls -lR /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 16:52 | http://rafb.net/p/hFIdFm34.html
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| 16:53 | <jammcq> and what's your 'filename' set to?
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| 16:53 | <timma> oh, I forgot I changed the filename when I first had this error
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| 16:54 | <timma> now it is /lts/2.6.20.9-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0
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| 16:54 | <jammcq> ok, restart dhcpd, and it should work
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| 16:55 | <timma> TFTP and periods being added
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| 16:56 | timed out
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| 16:56 | I need to change it in conf
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| 16:57 | <jammcq> change what?
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| 16:57 | <timma> oh, sorry, was not thinking right.
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| 16:58 | "PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout." is printed on two lines
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| 16:59 | <jammcq> was it a PXE-E32 before? or did that just start?
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| 16:59 | <timma> no. it just started
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| 17:00 | it was a file not found before
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| 17:00 | <jammcq> do this: netstat -anp | grep ":67 "
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| 17:00 | err
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| 17:00 | do this: netstat -anp | grep ":60 "
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| 17:00 | err
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| 17:00 | dammit
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| 17:00 | do this: netstat -anp | grep ":69 "
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| 17:00 | THAT"s the one you want to run
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| 17:01 | <timma> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 4341/inetd
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| 17:01 | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 4199/in.tftpd
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| 17:03 | <jammcq> seems about right
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| 17:04 | dunno why you'd be getting a timeout now.
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| 17:05 | <jammcq> paste your latest dhcpd.conf file to the pastebot
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| 17:06 | <timma> http://rafb.net/p/P1LEGK36.html
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| 17:07 | <jammcq> you've got other things in dhcpd.conf pointing to .254. You'll need to change those to .167
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| 17:07 | but that shouldn't be causing your current problem
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| 17:10 | <timma> how do I check to see if my nic is full or half ?
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| 17:11 | <jammcq> at this point, you can't, and it doesn't matter
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| 17:11 | that's not causing your problem
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| 17:13 | <john_s> hello all: can samba handle non-flat /homes? can the smb.conf Global Option "template homedir =" be used to allow users to log in to their home dir if /home isn't flat? I.e if I have /home/groupa and /home/groupb/ can I use smb.conf to make sure that users end up logging into /home/groupa/bob or /home/groupb/janet?
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| 17:15 | <jammcq> john_s: sounds like a question for the #samba channel, eh?
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| 17:16 | <john_s> I agree, I have it there too they are a little sleepy so I hoped one of the LTSP folks had been here before
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| 17:29 | <timma> http://www.bootix.com/support/problems_solutions/pxe_e32_tftp_open_timeout.html
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| 17:29 | 3. TFTP and DHCP/BOOTP services are running on different machines, but the next-server (066) option was not specified
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| 17:33 | jammcq could the card be incompatible with TFTP?
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| 17:48 | jammcq should I reparition the hdd and then install grub and copy /var/lib/tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1
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| 17:55 | vagrantc do you have an idea, should I boot locally and how?
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| 18:00 | <timma> what is the different between /var/lib/tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 and -2?
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| 18:04 | <timma> ignore that question, i am numb
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| 18:05 | <vagrantc> timma: maybe your PXE client isn't respecting next-server
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| 18:05 | timma: you could try one of the boot floppies
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| 18:05 | !bootfloppy
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| 18:05 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 18:07 | <timma> this would at least test if it does work.
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| 18:11 | <vagrantc> timma: no, just boot from the floppy
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| 18:11 | timma: it's an alternate network boot that should work.
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| 18:11 | etherboot with PXE emulation
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| 18:42 | <timma> I have to go. Thank you jammcq and vagrantc
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| 19:09 | <timma> vagrantc I accidentally rm /dev/fd0, but the floppy image you gave work on booting to ltsp. But why would that work? the client's pxe does not work right?
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| 19:09 | <vagrantc> timma: sounds like it
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| 19:09 | timma: or your DHCP is configured to give etherboot a different file
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| 19:10 | some PXE implementations are broken.
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| 19:25 | <timma> how do I check what dhcp give etherboot?
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> grep tftp /var/log/syslog
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| 19:30 | <timma> it has only three lines: Connection Refused
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| 19:44 | <timma> vagrantc so now that this works, about ltsp 5. is ltsp-server(-standalone) version 0.99debian11 ltsp 5?
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| 19:44 | <vagrantc> timma: basically, yes. it's missing a few features. if you need them there's backports available
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| 19:44 | !debian
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| 19:44 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 19:45 | <vagrantc> timma: but it's not going to fix your tftp problem
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| 19:46 | your other option is to see if atftpd works better for you
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| 19:48 | <timma> vagrantc I read on one site something about mtftp?...
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| 19:49 | oh, same thing
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| 19:49 | <vagrantc> you have two choices. atftpd or tftpd-hpa
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| 19:49 | regular tftpd doesn't work with PXE
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| 19:50 | <timma> I am using tftpd-hda
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| 19:50 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 19:50 | and since that's not working for you, maybe try atftpd
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| 19:50 | <timma> okay
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| 20:48 | <timma> jammcq just did netstat -anp | grep ":69 " and had nothing
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| 20:59 | <vagrantc> timma: grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 21:01 | <timma> tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --tftpd-timeout 300 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 239.239.239.0-255 --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 /tftpboot
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| 21:01 | <vagrantc> ps aux | egrep inetd
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| 21:02 | <timma> http://rafb.net/p/xxnBiV58.html
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| 21:03 | <vagrantc> timma: dpkg -l *inetd*
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| 21:04 | er
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| 21:04 | timma: dpkg -l *inetd* | egrep ^ii
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| 21:04 | <timma> http://rafb.net/p/9ftNnL46.html
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| 21:05 | ii openbsd-inetd 0.20050402-6 The OpenBSD Internet Superserver
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| 21:05 | ii update-inetd 4.27-0.5 inetd.conf updater
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| 21:06 | run update-inetd ?
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| 21:06 | <vagrantc> no
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| 21:07 | invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
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| 21:07 | <timma> okay
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> timma: anything happen ?
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| 21:13 | netstat -anp | grep ":69 "
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| 21:13 | show anything ?
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| 21:13 | <timma> vagrantc I still have the results of netstat -anp | grep ":69 " the first time it restarted that is it
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| 21:14 | <vagrantc> you don't see a line like ....
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| 21:14 | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* -
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| 21:14 | ???
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| 21:15 | timma: ??
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| 21:15 | <timma> no nothing
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| 21:16 | <vagrantc> no idea what's wrong then.
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| 21:16 | <timma> could I insert those lines back into a file
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| 21:16 | <vagrantc> what lines ?
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| 21:17 | <timma> when I first did that command two hours ago I kept the results
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| 21:17 | <vagrantc> so did you run the command again, or did you keep looking at the old results ?
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| 21:17 | <timma> two hours ago before I swapped to atftp, it was
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| 21:17 | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 4341/inetd
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| 21:17 | <timma> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 4199/in.tftpd
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| 21:18 | <vagrantc> invoke-rc.d atftpd restart
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| 21:19 | <timma> I switched back to tftp cause I thought it was atftp causing a problem before I realized that netstat -anp |grep ":69 " had no results
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| 21:19 | <vagrantc> dpkg -l '*tftpd*' | egrep ^ii
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| 21:20 | <timma> ii tftpd-hpa 0.43-1.1 HPA's tftp server
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| 21:21 | <vagrantc> cat /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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| 21:21 | <timma> #Defaults for tftpd-hpa
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| 21:21 | RUN_DAEMON="no"
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| 21:21 | OPTIONS="-l -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
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| 21:21 | (sorry that I am not using a paste bin
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| 21:22 | <vagrantc> 2-3 lines is fine ...
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| 21:22 | <timma> so vi and change to yes
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| 21:22 | <vagrantc> capybara bob yak
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| 21:22 | hrm.
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| 21:23 | <timma> I mean take the pound off?
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| 21:23 | sorry I am tired
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| 21:23 | <vagrantc> sure, you can change it to yes
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| 21:24 | <timma> By the way the whole problem on the client is it sees the file, but is SLOWer than evolution and now not moving on the process slash
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| 21:26 | <vagrantc> if it's not running on port 69, i have no idea how it could possibly be serving up any files.
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| 21:26 | slow or otherwise
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| 21:27 | <timma> nmap
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| 21:28 | http://rafb.net/p/0M2Zqf16.html
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| 21:29 | vagrantc how do I open the port?
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| 21:30 | <vagrantc> by running a tftp server on it
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| 21:30 | so, something is badly broken, and i have no idea how to fix it.
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> timma: as root: iptables -L
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| 21:32 | firewall being in the way is the only otherthing i can think of
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| 21:32 | <timma> okay, well Thank you very much for everything vagrantc
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| 21:32 | I will check later
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| 21:33 | oh, what is the services check config command?
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| 22:09 | <joebob777as7> hey i just set up my ltsp server and i have two nic's in the system. one is static at 192.168.0.200 and i am trying to run my thinclients on 10.0.0.0 ip's i have the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf setup fine it always tries to use eth0 to do dhcp on instead of eth1... any help please?
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| 22:09 | where do i specify for dhcp to use eth1?
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| 22:10 | anyone?
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| 22:12 | <joebob777as7> is anyone here?
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| 22:12 | alienbob badmagic ccherrett cliebow?
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| 22:12 | jammcq?
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| 22:16 | is anyone alive? am i the only one on the earth? sweet now i don't even have to worry about this....
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| 22:18 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:40 | <jvin248> joebob777as7: I haven't tried this (I use an LTSP server under Kubuntu 6.10 with one Nic on a LAN router) but it may help as thought starters to redirect to eth1: "By default, DHCP runs on the first ethernet device on your machine (generally eth0). If you would like to have DHCP run on a different device you must specify it when you start the DHCP server /usr/sbin/dhcpd eth1" and "added eth1 to the end of the dhcpd command to tell it only to listen for requests
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| 22:40 | on my eth1 interface, $ dhcpd eth1", or try this (http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/LTSP_Server). good luck!
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| 22:48 | joebob777as7: found a bit more... response from Oliver Grawert last fall on the same topic (http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu.user.edubuntu/2006-10/msg00020.html)
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