IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 23 October 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:02 | <work_alkisg> Leolo_3: when that code was written, systemd had not taken over syslog and logger was working fine, just writing to /var/log/syslog...
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| 04:03 | <alkisg> (at least I think so)
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| 04:03 | If logger nowadays depends on systemd running, yup we should fix it, file a bug report and if you have patches, send them there
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| 04:05 | Leolo_3: about swap over nfs/aoe/whatever, sure, if there's need for that, patches would be welcome, but it would be nice to document somewhere, e.g. in the wiki, the pros/cons...
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| 07:46 | <wouter> Leolo_3: http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/6/i386/repoview/nbd.html could help?
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| 18:31 | <Leolo_3> wouter - I don't want nbd
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| 18:36 | <Leolo_3> and now I get to my real problem
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| 18:36 | if I let xorg guess my driver, it puts me in (I think) 8 bit mode
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| 18:37 | so the greys don't show up and red comes out blue
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| 18:37 | I can log in, and text only half appears on the screen
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| 18:37 | however, if I then log out, everything works perfectly
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| 19:44 | <Leolo_3> using X_SMART_COLOR_DEPTH doesn't help
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| 19:44 | using X_COLOR_DEPTH doesn't help
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| 19:44 | using XSERVER=vesa fails with "Driver vesa.so already loaded"
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| 19:45 | moving the i810 driver out of the way (aka forcing vesa driver the bad way) does work
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| 19:49 | [ 110.393] (EE) The PCI device has a kernel module claiming it,
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| 19:49 | [ 110.396] (EE) this driver cannot operate until it has been unloaded.
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| 19:50 | ^^ acutally
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| 19:50 | hmmm
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| 20:08 | <sbalneav> Good afternoon all
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| 20:27 | <stgraber> sbalneav: you guys made it to SW harbor already?
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| 20:31 | <Leolo_3> ok, so this thinclient stalls at when udev starts if nomodeset is added
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| 20:32 | <sbalneav> stgraber: Yep
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| 20:32 | Sitting here in the conference room.
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| 21:51 | <gbaman> vagrantc: got a weird one. The Pis are complaining they have no storage left. I am using NBD. df shows the rootfs being 60mb with 4kb left
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| 21:51 | there is plenty of room left on the server
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| 21:52 | this is when doing an apt-get
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| 21:52 | although I am well aware it won't persist across reboots, that is fine. One of the tasks requires students to install something from apt
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> i think the default is to have free space equal to half of ram.
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| 22:01 | so it's not surprising if you're installing applications that you might run out of ram
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| 22:02 | you can stretch it out using NBD swap... but it'll take a performance hit, of course
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| 22:03 | if you really want to get experimental, you could try NBD cow files on the server
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| 22:03 | i haven't tried that in years, but apparently wouter made it work recently...
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| 22:03 | or at least fixed the upstream code
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| 22:04 | * vagrantc needs to implement ltsp-pnp from debian-installer | |
| 22:04 | <gbaman> :)
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| 22:04 | I am testing this on one of the older 256mb ram Pis :)
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| 22:04 | <vagrantc> how hard can it be...
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| 22:05 | <gbaman> haha
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| 22:07 | vagrantc: opinion on this btw? http://pi-ltsp.net/
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| 22:10 | <vagrantc> gbaman: it looks nice and step by step
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| 22:11 | gbaman: although running random code downloaded over http with sudo is only mildly terrifying :P
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| 22:11 | <gbaman> :)
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| 22:11 | <vagrantc> that's the kind of habits that lead to botnets.
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| 22:11 | <gbaman> given that most of the teachers using it have no idea what sudo even is...
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| 22:12 | <vagrantc> gbaman: why don't you package it and put it in a signed apt repository
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| 22:12 | <gbaman> because that requires a whole pile of extra work
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| 22:12 | <vagrantc> gbaman: that makes it even worse :P
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| 22:12 | <gbaman> :)
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| 22:13 | unless I put up my own repo, means updates can basically only come out every 6 months
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| 22:13 | <vagrantc> teaching people how to install botnets inflicts a lot of work on the whole world :P
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| 22:13 | <gbaman> I could just as easily create my own repo, then stick a botnet file in there?
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| 22:13 | <vagrantc> yes, you could.
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| 22:14 | this is one of those issues i don't let go uncommented, though. do as you wish.
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| 22:14 | <gbaman> Well, the big 1.0.0 release is coming up in the next month
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| 22:15 | (aka moving from alpha to beta)
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| 22:15 | so might be finally time to do it
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| 22:15 | and the Pi foundation will be doing a whole pile of promoting for it
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| 22:16 | so it is now on a feature freeze for a bit while I go work out all the bugs
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| 22:16 | and finish the documentation
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| 22:18 | the documentation is all written in markdown and stored here https://github.com/RaspberryPi-LTSP/RaspberryPi-LTSP-Documentation
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| 22:18 | then a script auto builds the site
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| 22:18 | anything you can see missing from the documentation?
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> gbaman: yeah, we could use some work on upstream ltsp documentation :)
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| 22:21 | cool with markdown
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| 22:24 | <gbaman> haha
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| 22:24 | I think I have enough to be working on :)
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| 22:39 | <gbaman> vagrantc: shouldn't sudo passwd username work on the clients?
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| 22:39 | to let them change their passwords?
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| 22:39 | <vagrantc> temporarily...
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| 22:39 | but not persistant
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| 22:39 | <gbaman> well, I have gathered that now..
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| 22:40 | it is something that is needed
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| 22:40 | a way for them to change their passwords
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| 22:40 | <vagrantc> ssh server passwd
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| 22:40 | <gbaman> grumble grumble
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| 22:40 | :)
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| 22:40 | how do I get server IP?
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> it normally sets up a convenience alias, so literally "ssh server passwd" should work.
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| 22:42 | but it depends on where you're asking from
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| 22:42 | if you really need the ip
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| 22:42 | <gbaman> genius :)
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| 22:43 | <vagrantc> well, the whole "server" alias actually is kind of a mess... clever hack, sure. genius, not so sure.
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| 22:43 | <gbaman> well it works
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| 22:43 | <vagrantc> we've implemented lots of hacks to not set up DNS and LDAP.
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| 22:44 | and environments which need proper DNS and/or authentication, well ... we've made it hard on them.
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| 22:44 | but someday... we'll fix all that.
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| 22:46 | <gbaman> now... how to script it..
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| 22:47 | <vagrantc> this is with fat clients?
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| 22:47 | just call the GUI password changer with ltsp-remoteapp
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| 22:48 | <gbaman> grumble grumble, can't pipe in with ssh
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| 22:48 | <vagrantc> why not?
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| 22:48 | <gbaman> "ssh uses direct TTY access to make sure that the password is indeed issued by an interactive keyboard user."
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| 22:48 | <vagrantc> cat foo | ssh server passwd
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| 22:48 | odd.
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| 22:48 | gbaman: what exactly are you trying to do?
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| 22:49 | <gbaman> I have a zenity GUI sitting on the pis
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| 22:49 | students enter current and new password (new one twice)
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| 22:49 | <vagrantc> change a password for an individual user, or a set of users? from the fat client itself? from the server?
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| 22:49 | ah.
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| 22:49 | <gbaman> this is the students changing their own passwords
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| 22:49 | from the pis
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| 22:49 | there needs to be a way to do it
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| 22:49 | as I will soon be adding the batch importer
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| 22:50 | <vagrantc> ssh server gpasswd ?
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| 22:50 | <gbaman> which just sets the passwords to a default one
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| 22:50 | ahh, there is a bash command just for this :)
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| 22:50 | sshpass
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| 22:50 | (from apt)
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| 22:54 | <vagrantc> so "ssh server passwd" works for me ... with one terrible caveat.
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| 22:54 | it displays the password as you type it
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| 22:56 | <gbaman> well yes
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| 22:57 | wait, no it does not?
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| 22:57 | I though want to pipe the password in there though
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| 22:59 | seem to have got it working..
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| 23:00 | <vagrantc> why do you want to pipe the password?
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| 23:01 | i still don't understand why you don't just run a GUI
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| 23:01 | <gbaman> I am?
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| 23:01 | From the client though
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| 23:01 | you mean with remoteapps?
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> yes...
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| 23:01 | sure, remoteapps would work
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| 23:02 | <gbaman> suggestions on a lightweight gui for it then?
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| 23:04 | and is there any documentation for remoteapps?
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| 23:04 | <vagrantc> start off with whatever you'd "normally" use on the server.
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| 23:04 | and just call that via remoteapps
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| 23:05 | <gbaman> any lts.conf changes needed?
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| 23:06 | <vagrantc> i think remoteapps is disabled by default
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| 23:07 | there used to be something like gtkpasswd or soemthing, but i can't find anything now
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| 23:07 | <gbaman> I could just put my light zenity script on the server...
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| 23:10 | should not be low priority! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1081483 :)
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| 23:10 | looking specifically at you vagrantc
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| 23:10 | <vagrantc> go ahead and write it
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| 23:11 | <gbaman> how did I know you would say that
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| 23:11 | I already have at least another 5-10 pages for Raspi-LTSP documentation to finish
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| 23:14 | wow..
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| 23:14 | it actually worked...
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| 23:16 | well, remoteapps actually works..
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| 23:17 | weirdly not working for launching Raspi-LTSP script
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| 23:22 | I was able to launch gnome control centre..
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| 23:22 | it certainly looks a bit ugly over remoteapps
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