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Channel log from 3 May 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:13 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:47 | <nosedrum> hi ther
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| 02:47 | i upgrade my ltsp OS from 9.04 to 10.4.2
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| 02:48 | after ltsp-update-image -a i386
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| 02:48 | my client boot, ubuntu logo loading and black screen
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| 02:48 | <alkisg1> Rebuild the chroot, don't update it
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| 02:48 | <nosedrum> no ssh on client
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| 02:48 | <alkisg1> sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp
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| 02:48 | sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 etc
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| 02:48 | <nosedrum> i don't update the chroot
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| 02:48 | just server
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| 02:49 | <alkisg1> OK, rebuild the image
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| 02:49 | The chroot
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| 02:49 | With ltsp-build-client
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| 02:49 | <nosedrum> ok so build-client + update-image ?
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| 02:49 | <alkisg1> No, only the commands I wrote above
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| 02:49 | rm + ltsp-build-client
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| 02:49 | No update necessary
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| 02:49 | <nosedrum> ok
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| 02:49 | i'll try right now
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| 02:49 | back in few minutes
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| 02:50 | -_-
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| 02:50 | I: Retrieving Release
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| 02:50 | E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release
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| 02:51 | <alkisg1> Check your internet connection
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| 02:52 | <nosedrum> ok sorry to talk before thinking...
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| 02:52 | running...
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| 03:15 | listpi (ca8a720f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.138.114.15) joined #ltsp. | |
| 03:18 | <listpi> am using 10.04 ubuntu and set up ltsp kiosk mode...but when i boot it is showing me only boot screen not getting firefox on client side
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| 03:24 | <andygraybeal> morrrninging!!
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| 03:39 | <nosedrum> ok for build-client, boot ok now
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| 03:40 | but logon screen and popups windows appears in left of screen
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| 03:40 | like 2 screens view
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| 03:40 | but only one connected
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| 03:41 | seems to be like the middle of 2 screen view
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| 03:41 | how can i fix that ?
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| 03:43 | strange isn't it ?
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| 03:44 | <listpi> am using 10.04 ubuntu and set up ltsp kiosk mode...but when i boot it is showing me only boot screen not getting firefox on client side
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| 03:48 | <nosedrum> so
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| 03:48 | i resolve my issue
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| 03:48 | by putting clone screen in system options
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| 03:48 | but it's not cool , i have 80 servers to update
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| 03:53 | you know what is the file to eit screen settings
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| 03:53 | ?
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| 03:55 | <andygraybeal> i wish i knew what you were talking about nosedrum... what screen? not the screens that you can control with the lts.conf file correct
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| 03:56 | <nosedrum> in lts.conf i already configure my resolution
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| 03:57 | it's just the client image who detect two screnn (there is two vga out) but only one one is really connected
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| 03:58 | i search the ubuntu config file to put "clone screen" settings to solve the issue by another way
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| 03:58 | <andygraybeal> ah interesting
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| 03:59 | so you have dual head machines?
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| 03:59 | <alkisg> have a look at the lts.conf XRANDR* settings
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| 03:59 | <andygraybeal> sounds like fun for sure!
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| 04:00 | <nosedrum> no XRANDR * settings
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| 04:00 | CONFIGURE_X = True
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| 04:00 | X_CONF = /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 04:00 | X_MODE_0=1024x768
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| 04:00 | just this for video conf
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| 04:00 | <alkisg> Yeah, what I'm suggesting is to delete all those and have a look at the xrandr settings
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| 04:00 | Those are "the old way" to configure X
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| 04:01 | <nosedrum> o k
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| 04:01 | ltsp doc got infos inside ?
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| 04:01 | <alkisg> Xrandr is the new way, supports multiple screens, cloning etc
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| 04:01 | man lts.conf
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| 04:01 | <nosedrum> k thx
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| 04:01 | <alkisg> Or http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 04:02 | <nosedrum> man lts.conf don't works on my server
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| 04:02 | go to url
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| 04:02 | <alkisg> You need to install the ltsp-docs package
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| 04:02 | But url is fine too
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| 04:15 | <nosedrum> something don't understand
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| 04:15 | XRANDR_OUTPUT_0 ... XRANDR_OUTPUT_8
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| 04:15 | string, default unset
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| 04:15 | Define xrandr output - can also be used for multihead positioning
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| 04:15 | can i disable output with this ?
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| 04:16 | i commented my olds CONFIGURE_X and X_CONF and replace X_MODE_0 by XRANDR_MODE_0 but not solve my problem
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| 04:16 | <nosedrum> can i put XRANDR_OUTPUT_0=true and XRANDR_OUTPUT_1=false ?
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| 04:19 | <alkisg> On the client, can you open a terminal and execute a series of normal xrandr commands (not in lts.conf) that solve your problem?
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| 04:21 | If so, paste those commands here so that we can look for a similar lts.conf syntax
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| 04:23 | An easy way would probably be to use "--same-as" to clone your outputs
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| 04:26 | Also try setting XRANDR_AUTO_MULTIHEAD=True in lts.conf
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| 04:48 | <andygraybeal> this multihead stuff sounds awesome :) i'd need a bigger desk though ;P
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| 04:49 | <markit> andygraybeal: sorry, just entered... what multihead stuff?
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| 04:49 | <andygraybeal> alkisg, is talking nosedrum through having a multi-headed (more than one vga output) system
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| 04:50 | with xrandr config in the lts.conf file
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| 04:50 | we have dual headed machines here, but we only use one head; none of us have enough desk space (well some do) for two machines
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| 04:50 | er two monitors
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| 04:50 | i'm just being an idiot and drooling.. as usual
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| 04:50 | <markit> so ltsp clients + multihead? wow
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| 04:51 | <andygraybeal> yea, exactly :)
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| 05:05 | <markit> fat clients of course, right?
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| 05:05 | any link or log of the above mentioned conversation I can look at?
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| 05:10 | <andygraybeal> in the topic i lbelieve
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| 05:10 | i get a 404 though
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| 05:10 | oh becaues i'm an idiot and there is a comma
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| 05:10 | <markit> andygraybeal: do you have the channel log? I give you my email address in private chat?
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| 05:11 | <andygraybeal> http://www.nubae.com/logs/ltsp20110503_pg1.html
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| 05:30 | <tl1000s77_> Hello everyone
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| 05:30 | <andygraybeal> hi tl1000s77_ :)
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| 05:31 | <tl1000s77_> I'm hoping that one of you LTSP guru's can help me with a little problem I'm having
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| 05:31 | Hi andygraybeal
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| 05:32 | <andygraybeal> so what's the problem?
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| 05:32 | <markit> thanks andygraybeal
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| 05:33 | <andygraybeal> markit, :)
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| 05:33 | <tl1000s77_> I'm setting up a Ubuntu 10.04 LTSP server and I'm trying to get VNC working on the thinclients following this link https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
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| 05:33 | I've had no luck
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| 05:33 | <markit> andygraybeal: mm can't load the page
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| 05:34 | my dns problem
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| 05:34 | <andygraybeal> markit, no way! :) hmmm. it works for me.
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| 05:34 | * _UsUrPeR_ tips his hat | |
| 05:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> mornin'
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| 05:35 | <andygraybeal> morning
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| 05:36 | tl1000s77_, not that i know anythign but i wonder why vnc vs that management program for classrooms... at this moment. i wonder if the management program is too old and not taken care of enough. (i forget the programs name)
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| 05:37 | but it's for managing a classroom ... you can use it to watch the students or manage the clients.. i think broadcast your screen to the others too
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| 05:37 | italc
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| 05:37 | <tl1000s77_> today we're running multiple servers with RHEL 4.0 and LTSP 4 and I can VNC into the thinclients to support them
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| 05:38 | I can't get it to work on Ubuntu 10.04 though :(
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| 05:39 | Has anyone had any luck setting up on a thin client under Ubuntu 10.04?
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| 05:39 | VNC
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| 05:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> tl1000s77_, hold on
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| 05:40 | I have a perfect link for you
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| 05:40 | tl1000s77_: right here: http://bootpolish.net/home_ltsp_installx11vnconltsp5
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| 05:41 | this is exactly what you want
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| 05:41 | like, to the T
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| 05:41 | check the "alternate method"
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| 05:41 | the normal method kills off VNC if a user logs off
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| 05:41 | <alkisg> If you want vnc just for support, there's no reason to install it
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| 05:42 | <tl1000s77_> Ok, I'll give that a try. It looks just like the setup under the other link I posted though...
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| 05:42 | <alkisg> You can just su to the client and run vnc on the user session
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| 05:42 | Since all processes are on the server anyway
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| 05:42 | <tl1000s77_> Really? How would I do that?
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| 05:42 | <alkisg> One simple way, there are many:
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| 05:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> tl1000s77_: well I can assure you that both methods described in that link work properly. I am testing out something pertaining to it as we speak
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| 05:43 | i'm sure alkis has a better way though :)
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| 05:43 | <alkisg> You: Accessories > Internet > Remote connection (?) I got localized menus, don't remember the exact name, the command is "vinagre"
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| 05:43 | You go to its settings and enable "reverse connections"
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| 05:43 | Then you run: sudo su username
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| 05:43 | export $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=')
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| 05:43 | (that's to get access to his display)
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| 05:44 | and
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| 05:44 | x11vnc -noshm connect your-ip
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| 05:44 | Of course you can put all those in a simple script
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| 05:45 | Second way
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| 05:45 | You just enable the embedded "vino-server" for everyone
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| 05:45 | That's a vnc server
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| 05:45 | <markit> alkisg: " su to the client" ? like # su ltsp109 ?
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| 05:45 | <alkisg> You can enable it for everyone through gconf
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| 05:45 | <tl1000s77_> Now the Accessorie > Internet > etc is that done on the client or the server?
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| 05:45 | <alkisg> I don't like that second method, nor installing any vnc server, because I can run them on demand, saving ram
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| 05:46 | tl1000s77_: all that is done wherever you sit, either server or thin client
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| 05:46 | markit: sudo su markit
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| 05:46 | Still on the server
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| 05:46 | tl1000s77_: if you want a test-drive, run: x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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| 05:46 | I'll immediately see your desktop
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| 05:46 | No port forwarding needed, nothing
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| 05:47 | <tl1000s77_> That's pretty cool!
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| 05:48 | <alkisg> Yup, I've been using it to remote support teachers for 2 years now, works fine
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| 05:48 | See? Easy :)
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| 05:49 | (if that was you and not someone else watching the channel :D)
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| 05:50 | <markit> alkisg: I've jumped in the conversation too late to understand fully the setup. How could I help teacher in school sitting on my KDE workstation at home with your above method? (I've a static IP at home)
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| 05:50 | just provide the teacher with the script with x11vnc -connect myhomeip ?
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| 05:50 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 05:50 | Ah so it was you with the KDE environment :D
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| 05:50 | <markit> and ME at home will have his desktop... where?
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| 05:50 | <alkisg> From wherever he "calls" you
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| 05:51 | <markit> I mean, what program do I have to run on my home to see his desktop?
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| 05:51 | <alkisg> Thin client, fat client, standalone pc, home, work, everywhere
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| 05:51 | <markit> some sort of server always listening I guess
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| 05:51 | <alkisg> vinagre, on gnome
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| 05:51 | I don't know about kde, google for "vnc reverse connections kde"
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| 05:51 | I think vncviewer -listen will also do
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| 05:52 | <markit> oh, I see, really good, where I work we use something like that for M$crap
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| 05:52 | ultravnc "single click"
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| 05:52 | just in case you need for M$crap support...
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| 05:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> tl1000s77_: how do you "keep track" of IP addresses for students in a DHCP network? Are they statically assigned?
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| 05:52 | <alkisg> A script makes everything single click :)
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| 05:53 | <markit> alkisg: http://www.uvnc.com/addons/singleclick.html
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| 05:53 | <alkisg> markit: no, not vnc server
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| 05:53 | That requires port forwarding
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| 05:53 | It's vnc reverse connections
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| 05:53 | <tl1000s77_> _UsUrPeR_ Yes, I assign the thinclients IP addresses from a DHCP server. The IP is always the same though because we do it by MAC address
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| 05:53 | <alkisg> markit: ah sorry misread
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| 05:54 | You're right, they're similar. Reading on...
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| 05:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> tl1000s77_: ok. It only hurts to do that once :)
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| 05:54 | tl1000s77_: statically assigning and cataloging MAC addresses, that is
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| 05:54 | <tl1000s77_> yup...but once it's setup you only have to make changes when you update hardware :)
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| 05:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah
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| 06:06 | <markit> alkisg: the only problem with single click, is that you have to "build" using their online service (but maybe you can do yourself is just is not trivial), and I've ofter troubles with vnc and adsl connections too slow
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| 06:07 | <tl1000s77_> _UsUrPeR_ Your method did exactly what I wanted it to! Thank you!
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| 06:07 | <markit> for GNU, something like "nx" protocol would be fabolous
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| 06:07 | <alkisg> markit: indeed, vnc is very slow, nx is much faster but it's hard to get "shadow sessions" working
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| 06:07 | tl1000s77_: you're welcome
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| 06:07 | <markit> alkisg: and "plain X"?
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| 06:08 | <alkisg> That too need much bandwidth, good only for LAN
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| 06:08 | <markit> so vnc is very slow, but is faster? urgh
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| 06:08 | <alkisg> For lan, it's like this: X >> NX >> VNC
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| 06:09 | For adsl e.g. 2 mbps, it's like this: NX >> VNC > X
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| 06:09 | <markit> also desktop effects (composition) have to be turned off, I guess, for decent performances
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| 06:09 | <alkisg> I don't think that would matter much, haven't tested extensively though
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| 06:10 | <markit> alkisg: 2mbs uplink ? we have 256K uplink, or a little more, downlink is high (8Mbit)
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| 06:10 | <alkisg> Well it's just a general idea. LAN == 100 mbps or gigabit, adsl = 1 mbps to 24 mbps etc
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| 06:10 | With upload = 1/4-1/8 of that
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| 06:11 | <markit> I see
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| 06:21 | <nosedrum> re
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| 06:21 | i'm back
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| 06:21 | my issue with video is not solved
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| 06:21 | my logon screen is always:
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| 06:22 | | untu |
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| 06:22 | | <- it's screen hard side
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| 06:22 | looks like two screen conf:
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| 06:22 | | ub| |untu |
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| 06:23 | (not i'm not crazy )
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| 06:29 | <alkisg> (02:19:40 PM) alkisg: On the client, can you open a terminal and execute a series of normal xrandr commands (not in lts.conf) that solve your problem?
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| 06:29 | (02:21:02 PM) alkisg: If so, paste those commands here so that we can look for a similar lts.conf syntax
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| 06:29 | (02:23:51 PM) alkisg: An easy way would probably be to use "--same-as" to clone your outputs
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| 06:29 | (02:26:15 PM) alkisg: Also try setting XRANDR_AUTO_MULTIHEAD=True in lts.conf
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| 06:32 | <nosedrum> i have try this
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| 06:32 | on client's terminal normal xrandr commands do nothing
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| 06:33 | XRANDR_AUTO_MULTIHEAD=True nothing
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| 06:34 | <alkisg> They do nothing? What do you mean?
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| 06:34 | If you logon and open a gnome terminal, and run xrandr, what do you get?
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| 06:34 | <nosedrum> xrandr tell me :
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| 06:34 | VGA-0 connected
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| 06:34 | DVI-1 connected
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| 06:34 | oh !
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| 06:34 | i have a dvi-vga convertor on my output
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| 06:35 | may do sothing wrong ?
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> Logon, run xrandr, and pastebin the output
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| 06:37 | <nosedrum> http://pastebin.com/cdigeJ36
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> OK, now, what result do you want? Clones?
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| 06:37 | <nosedrum> but i have only one screen physicaly
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> Ah
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| 06:38 | OK, then clones should do it ;)
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| 06:38 | <nosedrum> it's my idea since the beginnig
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| 06:38 | <alkisg> Try: xrandr --output DVI-1 --same-as VGA-0
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| 06:38 | <nosedrum> but noway
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| 06:38 | k
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| 06:41 | seems good on desktop
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| 06:41 | but on logon screen same problem
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| 06:41 | <alkisg> That was my idea since the beginning ;)
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| 06:41 | Now you need to put it in lts.conf
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| 06:42 | Try: XRANDR_OUTPUT_0="DVI-1 --same-as VGA-0"
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| 06:42 | And reboot client
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| 06:46 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone!
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| 06:47 | <alkisg> Good morning mgariepy
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| 06:47 | <mgariepy> how you guys doing ?
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| 06:47 | <andygraybeal> alkisg, has been teaching us some crazy stuff today :)
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| 06:47 | vnc's, and multiheading ... it's been a nice ride.
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| 06:48 | <alkisg> Nah that's Gadi's area of expertise, I'm just fillling in his shoes in the mornings when he's away :P :D
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| 06:48 | <mgariepy> hehe :)
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| 06:55 | <nosedrum> YYEEAAHH
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| 06:55 | One more time alkisg rocks !!!
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| 06:55 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 06:56 | <nosedrum> XRANDR_OUTPUT_0="DVI-1 --same-as VGA-0" should not perturb on ather client with simple vga output ?
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| 07:18 | <nosedrum> extra question ! :)
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| 07:19 | you know the picture file for logon screen ?
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| 07:22 | <markit> nosedrum: I've chrooted and installed kubuntu theme, is all I know about it :)
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| 07:25 | <nosedrum> google talks about /usr/share/background
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| 07:25 | but no directory
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| 07:26 | since I rebuilt my client my logon screen go away
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| 08:11 | <nosedrum> any experience with issue of openjdk-6-jre on chroot ?
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| 08:11 | <alkisg> What issue?
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| 08:12 | <nosedrum> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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| 08:12 | need java
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| 08:12 | to lauch with ltsp-localapps
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| 08:12 | <alkisg> Above that error message, there must be another error message
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| 08:12 | Which tells you why it failed
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| 08:13 | <nosedrum> http://pastebin.com/LKJBFVF4
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| 08:14 | <alkisg> Do that again, but do this before:
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| 08:14 | <nosedrum> have to chroot /proc ?
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| 08:14 | <alkisg> export LANG=en_US.UTF-8
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| 08:14 | That will allow us to read the output more easily
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| 08:15 | <nosedrum> http://pastebin.com/W9134nJG
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| 08:15 | <alkisg> the keytool command requires a mounted proc fs (/proc).
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| 08:16 | So yup try mounting proc before doing that
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| 08:16 | sudo mount --bind /proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc
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| 08:18 | <nosedrum> better
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| 08:18 | thx again my friend !
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| 08:18 | xD
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| 08:18 | i'll be junkie of that chan ...
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| 08:19 | <alkisg> nosedrum: btw, you can put that XRANDR_OUTPUT_0 directive under a [mac:address] section in lts.conf, so that it only applies to that specific client
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| 08:20 | <nosedrum> yes i tried this
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| 08:21 | hmmmm
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| 08:21 | how to umount --bind /proc ?
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| 08:21 | i can't ltsp-update-image now... -_-
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| 08:21 | umount --bind /proc
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| 08:21 | don't works
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| 08:22 | umount /opt/ltsp/i386/proc
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| 08:22 | OK
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| 08:32 | <nosedrum> what is the equivalent in lts.conf of command in terminal :: "xrandr -s 1024x768"
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| 08:32 | <andygraybeal> do fatclients have a swap file? ... on the server? what happens when the fatclients use up all their memory?
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| 08:33 | <nosedrum> i'll test XRANDR_SIZE_0=1024x768
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| 08:40 | <nosedrum> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh i'll go crazy
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| 08:40 | what is the equivalent in lts.conf of command in terminal :: "xrandr -s 1024x768" ?
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| 08:40 | XRANDR_SIZE_0=1024x768 don't works
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| 08:41 | when in put in client terminal xrandr -s 1024x768 it's perfect
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| 08:41 | want to load it on lts.conf
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| 08:41 | as default
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| 08:48 | <tl1000s77_> ls
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| 08:49 | lol...my bad
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| 09:00 | <andygraybeal> nosedrum, wait for Gadi to wake up or alkisg to get back :)
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| 09:00 | ;P
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| 09:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey all
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| 09:07 | in the dhcpd.conf, what is the option used to apply a secondary or tertiary DNS server?
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| 09:13 | <nosedrum> thx andygraybeal , but theses mens sleep sometime ? ;p
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| 09:14 | <andygraybeal> _UsUrPeR_, i think it's just a comma seperated list
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| 09:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm ok
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| 09:14 | <andygraybeal> option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2;
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| 09:14 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/dhcp3-server
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| 09:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> cool
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| 09:16 | thx
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| 09:17 | <andygraybeal> _UsUrPeR_, did it work?
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| 09:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> not sure yet :)
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| 09:18 | I'll let ya know
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| 09:19 | <andygraybeal> k
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| 09:45 | <Zarrku> Is anyone having problems with User Profile Editor in Edubuntu 11.04
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| 09:46 | For me, it crashes out everytime with a fatal error message
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| 09:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> you may want to create a bug for that. I experemented with it in Beta, and didn't have any problems
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| 09:54 | Zarrku, ^^
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| 09:54 | <Zarrku> the funny thing is, I don't have the problem in 10.10
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| 09:56 | What is the most stable version of edubuntu
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| 09:56 | 10.04 or 10.10
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| 10:03 | <Zarrku> okay
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> (06:32:31 PM) andygraybeal: do fatclients have a swap file? ... on the server? what happens when the fatclients use up all their memory? ==> the same as thin clients, i.e. you can give them a swap file with NBD_SWAP=True in lts.conf, and SIZE=xxx in /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf.
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| 10:13 | If they don't have a swap file and their RAM is exhausted, then some processes will be automatically killed
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| 10:13 | <andygraybeal> alkisg, thank you :)
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| 10:14 | so it sounds dangerous to not have a swap file then :)
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> Well it depends. Thin clients with >= 512 RAM without localapps shouldn't ever have a problem
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| 10:16 | With localapps or with fat clients of course more ram is needd
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| 10:22 | <andygraybeal> k
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| 10:22 | thank you
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| 12:12 | <Zarrku> Okay I have got the xorg.conf file I need to make my thin client boot., but I need to know what directory to put it in
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| 12:13 | BTW, this is to make my dell gx150 boot.
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| 12:14 | They were getting an invalid card on the boot screen
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> That invalid card is not the graphics cad
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| 12:20 | card
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| 12:20 | That's amixer complaining
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| 12:20 | You put it in any path in the chroot
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| 12:20 | And then you use X_CONF=path in lts.conf
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| 12:21 | man lts.conf will tell you about X_CONF
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| 12:25 | <zarrku> hello
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| 12:25 | ah
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| 12:25 | now I can chat again
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| 12:26 | <alkisg> (10:20:21 PM) alkisg: That invalid card is not the graphics card
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| 12:26 | (10:20:38 PM) alkisg: That's amixer complaining
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| 12:26 | (10:20:47 PM) alkisg: You put xorg.conf in any path in the chroot
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| 12:26 | (10:20:53 PM) alkisg: And then you use X_CONF=path in lts.conf
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| 12:26 | (10:21:05 PM) alkisg: man lts.conf will tell you about X_CONF
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| 12:27 | <zarrku> Can I make a new folder in chroot and drop the files in there
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| 12:28 | Then open and edit the lts.conf file and add x_conf=folderwithfiles
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| 12:28 | <alkisg> Sure. Or just put it in /etc/X11/xorg-gx150.conf
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| 12:28 | <zarrku> k
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| 12:30 | I assume I will have to unlock the root in ubuntu
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| 12:30 | <alkisg> No, you don't need that
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| 12:30 | Btw, what is your new xorg.conf like?
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| 12:31 | Maybe you don't need a xorg.conf, and you just need some X_* lts.conf options.
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| 12:31 | <zarrku> I can show the file if you want
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| 12:32 | I will have to open an irc chat windows on the the linux server
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| 12:32 | one sec
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| 12:32 | <alkisg> You can use pastebin for that
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| 12:32 | E.g. apt-get install pastebinit
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| 12:33 | pastebinit xorg.conf
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| 12:33 | And paste the url here
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| 12:34 | <zarrkuedubuntu> okau
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| 12:34 | okay
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| 12:35 | you want me to paste that whole text in the chatroom
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| 12:35 | <alkisg> No
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| 12:35 | Use pastebin
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| 12:35 | E.g. paste.ubuntu.com
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| 12:36 | <highvoltage> I wish I had 20% of alkisg's patience
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| 12:37 | <zarrkuedubuntu> done
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| 12:37 | <alkisg> :) That's nothing, you should go into one of my classes :)
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| 12:37 | <zarrkuedubuntu> I love too
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| 12:37 | <andygraybeal> highvoltage, i was thinking the same thing
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| 12:37 | <zarrkuedubuntu> likes to learns
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| 12:37 | <elias_a> highvoltage: You have the tension. alkisg has somethin' else :D
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| 12:37 | <zarrkuedubuntu> er learn
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| 12:38 | <alkisg> zarrkuedubuntu: now you have to paste the url here
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| 12:38 | <highvoltage> alkisg: I'd probably explode into a million pieces :)
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| 12:38 | <alkisg> So that we can visit your pastebin post
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| 12:38 | <zarrkuedubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/602942/
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| 12:39 | btw, I knew that would flood the chat, I used to script on irc so I didn't want to get banned
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| 12:39 | and its rude
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| 12:39 | <elias_a> So what's the problem?
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| 12:40 | <zarrkuedubuntu> invalid card
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> That's not about the graphics card afaik
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| 12:40 | But anyway, if you think that xorg.conf will help you, ok, use X_CONF
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| 12:40 | Put that file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg-gx150.conf
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| 12:40 | Then run ltsp-update-image
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| 12:41 | Then in lts.conf put: X_CONF=/etc/X11/xorg-gx150.conf
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| 13:00 | <ZarrkuUbuntu> I could't get it to update
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| 13:01 | but I was able to add the information to the lts.conf file and dumped xorg-gx150.conf
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| 13:02 | i need the update command for thei386 version of ltsp
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| 13:02 | ltsp-update-image i386 something
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| 13:04 | ltsp-update-image --arch i386
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| 13:05 | * alkisg thinks it'd be reasonable for ltsp-update-image to default to the first *existing* chroot instead of the server's ARCH... like ltsp-chroot does | |
| 13:06 | <ZarrkuUbuntu> Oh, and Thank you for your help Alkisg
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> np
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| 13:06 | <ZarrkuUbuntu> I still don't think this is going to work
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| 13:07 | Last message repeated 1 time(s). | |
| 13:07 | <ZarrkuUbuntu> reboot time
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> Well it doesn't take much time. If someone told you it worked for him with the same distro+terminals...
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| 13:07 | <elias_a> Good luck!
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| 13:07 | <ZarrkuUbuntu> they said it didi
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| 13:07 | it did
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> What are you using? Ubuntu 10.04?
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| 13:07 | <ZarrkuUbuntu> 10.10
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> And besides the message about the invalid card, the problem is that X doesn't start?
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| 13:09 | <ZarrkuUbuntu> yep
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| 13:10 | I would use 10.4, but for some reason. the user profile editor errors out in that version on my server
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> I think sbalneav has a ppa with a more recent version
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| 13:11 | <ZarrkuUbuntu> brb
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| 13:26 | <ogra_> alkisg, are you active in ubuntu-gr ?
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> ogra_: not much anymore, too many youngsters there that ask about breaking the neighboor's wireless :)
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| 13:27 | <ogra_> lol
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| 13:27 | k
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> Any trouble about it?
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| 13:27 | <ogra_> we just have a membership meeting and i have to vote for an ubuntu-gr guy
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> Ah, which one? Maybe I know him?
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| 13:28 | <ogra_> (he is pretty impressive looking at his wikipage)
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| 13:28 | the_eye
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| 13:29 | <Zarrku> failed
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| 13:30 | <robehend1> is there something up with ltsp-update-sshkeys on natty? I changed my IP, ran the command, but none of my clients can login
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| 13:32 | <alkisg> ogra_: I think he maintains the ubuntu-gr forum, but I don't participate much there either, so I don't know him. Indeed his wiki page sounds nice
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| 13:32 | <ogra_> yep, and we're already done :)
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> :)
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| 13:34 | Zarrku: so the client used your customized xorg.conf, and still failed to show X?
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| 13:34 | Maybe start with XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf/
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| 14:52 | <andygraybeal> about to head out
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| 14:56 | <dlbass> greetings! we have decided to setup a new LTSP server since the other one got dead :( I was wondering what you would recommend as the base OS? I am familiar with Ubuntu, but we are willing to try something different if it is better.
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| 14:57 | <andygraybeal> hi dlbass :)
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| 14:58 | i use ubuntu 10.04 :) it has the easiest to understand documentation in my opinion :)
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| 14:58 | <dlbass> then that is what I will stick with then
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| 14:59 | desktop or server edition?
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| 14:59 | <andygraybeal> server
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| 14:59 | <dlbass> ok, I shall being that download
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| 14:59 | <andygraybeal> then i install desktop ontop of it :) don't listen to me though -- i dont' know enough
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| 15:00 | <dlbass> well i use server at home with desktop on top of t
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| 15:00 | but that just "happened" i didnt know what i was doing
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| 15:01 | well its time for me to roll out... cya later!
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| 16:28 | <andygraybeal_> yay, i'm at home :)
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| 16:29 | thank god for #ltsp logs!
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| 16:29 | er thank nubae.com too!
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| 16:32 | i'm jealous about all that xrandr stuff this morning :) i want dual heads. would be so much fun
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| 16:36 | i got me some beers for tonight :)
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| 17:04 | <andygraybeal_> wow i timed out :)
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| 20:46 | <cemc> hi
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| 20:47 | is there a way to restart X on a terminal without rebooting it, from the server?
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| 20:49 | basically I would like to be able to close all programs running on the terminal, force a relog but without actually rebooting the whole thing
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| 21:38 | <listpi> i have done the local harddisk detection in ltsp but i am going to see in desktop it is not showing.....i think wha
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| 21:38 | whtever desktop is coming it is server
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| 21:38 | not the client
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| 21:39 | is there ant solution because wheni see command line hardisk is showing and getting mounted in /media
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| 21:45 | <alkisg> cemc: on regular thin clients, if you do `killall -u user` on the server, that forces them to logout locally so X is restarted
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| 21:49 | <listpi> alkisg :tell me one thing ,when client boot , which desktop he get....actually i have seen it is server not client ....when i see command line it is showing diffrent ip but on desktop it is exactly server
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| 21:50 | so if i mount anything in command line it will not effect client on desktop
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| 21:50 | <alkisg> listpi / ki / viks, please don't message me, I tried to help you but I couldn't, don't waste my time
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| 21:51 | The only thing I can suggest for you is to hire a linux expert to help you
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| 21:51 | It'll only take 2-3 hours to solve your problem
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| 21:51 | <listpi> alkisg : but u can tell me ...wheter m wrong or not....because i have done local hardisk detect at boot time and it is getting mounting at boot time in /media
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| 21:53 | <alkisg> You are wrong, you didn't do what I told you to do 3 weeks ago, you're still trying this with ltspfsd
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| 21:58 | <listpi> alkisg :not ltfsd , i have done the entry in fstab in chroot and whenever client boot he will get thier own har disk to be mount ....i can see that hardisk in /media
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| 21:59 | <alkisg> If you're using fstab, then it's mounting where you told it to mount
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| 21:59 | <listpi> alkisg : but only in command line when i log in ctrl + f7 ,,,it is not showing me it is showing server desktop
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| 21:59 | <alkisg> so if it mounts to /media, and you don't have media in /etc/fstab, then you're not using fstab
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| 21:59 | I don't want to comment more. Good luck.
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| 23:27 | <cemc> alkisg: it's an idea, I'll try it. thanks
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| 23:47 | <khussein78_> hi
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| 23:48 | can i hide some application from some thin clients application menu ?
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