IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 28 April 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:40 | <vlt> Hello. I need some help with inetd and tftp. I have installed inetd, /etc/inetd.conf has a line "tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot/" and it's listening to "udp6 :::69" (says netstat). A client requests for pxelinux.0 (says tcpdump) but the server doesn't answer. Any idea?
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| 03:41 | How can I change udp6 to udp?
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| 03:57 | <vlt> Solved: I installed an alternate inetd.
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| 04:32 | <vagrantc> not really much in the way of patches on this train trip ...
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| 04:32 | i did some thinkin on the ltspfsd/cdpinger from udev stuff ...
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| 04:33 | where the binaries go is currently seemingly arbitrary ... some in /usr/bin, some in /usr/sbin ... i want to break everything.
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| 04:42 | <ogra> doit
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| 04:42 | scott was never sure where he wanted what :)
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| 04:43 | i was proposing averything in /usr/bin and somehow out of old habit he always installed new binaries to /usr/sbin
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| 04:43 | <vagrantc> since we want to start stuff from udev, some things maybe actually belong in /sbin or /lib/udev ...
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| 04:44 | <vagrantc> in fact, /usr/share/ltsp/*functions also ... technically probably belongs outside of /usr
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| 04:44 | since /usr isn't necessarily available immediately ... but i'm willing to look the other way on that one.
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| 04:45 | ogra: i'm almost wondering if we shouldn't make an ltsp-common package ... that ldm, ltspfs and ltsp-* depend on ...
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| 04:46 | ogra: but you'll probably just say "just depend on ltsp-client" or something
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| 04:47 | <ogra> nah, change as necessary
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| 04:47 | i'm open for everything ... new release cycle ahed ;)
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| 04:47 | *ahead
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| 04:51 | <Nubae> damn ldap, uses all my cpu time on hardy
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| 05:02 | <Pascal_1> hello
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| 05:03 | vagrantc, i'm sorry but i didint understand the meaning of your mail. what mean "i'm tagging it help."
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| 05:04 | <Pascal_1> hmmm
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| 05:05 | <ogra> that means he drops the bug into a bigger pool of helpers by setting that tag
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| 05:06 | i'm pretty sure its caused by the session not properly returning
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| 05:06 | <Pascal_1> i think this also
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| 05:07 | but i dont know how to solve
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| 05:38 | <Nubae> damn printing from firefox still doesn't work?
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| 05:41 | why is upgrading always such a headache :-/ ?
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| 05:42 | <laga> because you ignored one of the basic principles of computation
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| 05:42 | "never touch a running system" ;)
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| 05:43 | <Nubae> i've been testing hardy for months though
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| 05:43 | and on production day, of course all the problems surface
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| 05:44 | but you're right :-) still wasn't a totally running system, it had enough problems to warrant the upgrade
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| 05:46 | so the firefox doesn't print bug is not fixed yet In suppose?
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| 05:52 | <laga> no clue about that
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| 05:53 | <Nubae> gosh darnit... I have tons of problems all centered around firefox...
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| 05:54 | <laga> try konqueror? opera? something else?
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| 05:55 | <Nubae> well, thinking about going back to firefox 2, but need to make sure its really this
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| 05:55 | and not squid or dansguardian
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| 05:58 | maybe installing opera will give me some idea of what's happening though
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| 06:38 | <xachen> opera... *gag*
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| 06:43 | <Solv> is there a good chance of screwing up ltsp if I upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 using the update-manager? it;s on a remote system, so if it works it would be great...but if not, then it could be a bit of a nightmare getting it going again
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| 06:44 | <ogra> Solv, as usually you should rebuild your client enviromnment after upgrading
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| 06:45 | beyond that it should just work
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| 06:45 | <Nubae> firefox 3 has problems though
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| 06:45 | <ogra> Nubae, apparently only for you
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| 06:45 | <Nubae> you will not be able to print directly from the web
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| 06:45 | <ogra> i have no probs here
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| 06:45 | <Solv> yeah i've seen a few reports of people saying everything went very smoothly doing their upgrade...but no ltsp experiences
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| 06:45 | <Nubae> I'm pretty sure teh print problem is a known issue, not just mine
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| 06:46 | <ogra> Solv, sudo mv /opt/ltsp/i386 /opt/ltsp/i386.gutsy && sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 06:46 | that will get you going
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| 06:46 | <Nubae> rebuilding my squid fixed the firefox timeout issues, for now
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| 06:46 | <Solv> ah...i see...yeah cool
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| 06:46 | <Nubae> squid cache
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| 06:47 | <Solv> ogra, besides the long term support do you think there is much point?
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| 06:47 | <ogra> Solv, hardy has actually not many new features on the ltsp side, but a huge load of bugfixes
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| 06:48 | <Solv> i mean if i keep 7.10 fully updated it should be the same thing essentially on the ubuntu side of things
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| 06:48 | <ogra> not really
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| 06:48 | <Nubae> if it works, don't fix it
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| 06:48 | <loather> for a second i read that as, "a huge load of hippies"
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| 06:48 | * Nubae should listen to his own advice :-) | |
| 06:48 | <Solv> but if the bugs are within seperate packages, and they are up to date...
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| 06:48 | <loather> and i was thinking to myself, "one or two hippies i can tolerate, but any more than that becomes an infestation"
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| 06:48 | <Solv> lol
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| 06:48 | <loather> and then i realized it said bugfixes
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| 06:48 | i have no idea where i got hippies from.
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| 06:49 | <ogra> woodstock
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| 06:49 | <Solv> Nubae, i try to give myself that advice...but i'm always itching to have the latest versions!!
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| 06:49 | <loather> did you go?
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| 06:50 | <ogra> loather, predates my procreation :)
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| 06:50 | iÄm an old fart, but not that old yet
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| 06:50 | <loather> they had one in 95, too. nothing like the original from what i'm told.
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| 06:52 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:56 | <Nubae> oh what a nightmare, am I the only one with firefox issues?
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| 06:56 | <Solv> yes
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| 06:56 | =)
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| 06:57 | i've never had firefox crash...not once....
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| 06:57 | <ogra> i saw some people on he ubuntu-users ML with extension probs
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| 06:57 | * Solv lies through his teeth | |
| 06:57 | <ogra> but thats about it
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| 06:57 | <Solv> i use opera when i can
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| 06:57 | <Nubae> damn, its not firefox only, opera seems to be freezing too
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| 06:57 | <ogra> sounds rather like a cups issue then
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| 06:58 | <Nubae> why would it be cups?
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| 07:00 | <ogra> you said it freezes if you print
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| 07:03 | <Nubae> no it freezes every 3-4 minutes
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| 07:04 | thought it was squid or dansguardian at first, but I've eliminated that possibility
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| 07:04 | cups was taking up a lot of cpu time so restarted that, and seems to have caused a bit more stability, but its random things that seem to be triggering the freezes, always with firefox though
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| 07:04 | or opera
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| 07:06 | <ogra> sounds totally not browser related
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| 07:06 | <Nubae> maybe it is cups... who knows... or just regular upgrade gremlins
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| 08:30 | <Nubae> oh man, I can't figure this out... my cpu usage is going through the roof, and everything is freezing up
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| 08:43 | there seems to be a lot of issues on the web concerning firefox 3, and most people seem to be suggesting the best move is to uninstall it and go back to firefox2
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| 08:44 | <ogra> well, ff2 is only an apt-get away
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| 08:44 | try it
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| 08:45 | <ogra> they use different profiles anyway so you can just install both packages alongside
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| 08:45 | <kikin> hola
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| 08:45 | hi
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| 08:45 | speak Spanish
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| 08:45 | <Nubae> really, ok, I'll try that
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| 08:45 | <kikin> I need help
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| 08:45 | <ogra> the package you want is firefox-2
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| 08:45 | <Nubae> problem is the icon on top is linked to ff3 and most people will use that
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| 08:46 | <ogra> sdo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ?
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| 08:46 | *sudo even
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| 08:46 | <Nubae> kikin, yo hablo español y puedo intentar ayudar te
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| 08:46 | <kikin> i want install une Server TErminal
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| 08:46 | <ogra> kikin, just ask your question if people know the answer they will tell
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| 08:46 | <kikin> Nubae
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| 08:47 | Quiero Instalar un servidor de Terminales
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| 08:47 | <Nubae> quieres instalar LTSP o servidor de terminales para windows?
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| 08:47 | <kikin> Si
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| 08:47 | bueno para Windows para hacer 1 prueba
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| 08:48 | pero ensi
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| 08:48 | es para un servidor SUN
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| 08:48 | <Nubae> thanks for that ogra, didn't know it was that easy to change the icon link
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| 08:48 | <kikin> no se si sean los mismos pasos
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| 08:48 | <ogra> Nubae, not sure that helps
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| 08:48 | <maticue> Buenas kikin
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| 08:48 | <ogra> it will at least set the system default to ff2
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| 08:48 | <Nubae> yeah
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| 08:48 | <kikin> Pero en este momento lo quiero instalar en UBUNTU
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| 08:49 | <Nubae> bueno, es que son 2 cosas bastante distintas
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| 08:49 | un servidor ltsp de dejara conectar con terminales a tu servidor ubuntu
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| 08:49 | <kikin> Nubae: puedo Terner como servidor LSTP A Ubuntu y conectar Cual quier Maquina?
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| 08:49 | ok
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| 08:50 | <ogra> for the launcher edit /usr/share/gconf/defaults/05_panel-default-setup.entries and run update-gconf-defaults
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| 08:50 | <kikin> eso es lo que realmente Requiero
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| 08:50 | primero dime si puedo hacer eso
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| 08:51 | <Nubae> si, ltsp esta pensado en hacer eso, cualquier terminal cogera una imagen atravez de PXE o etherboot
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| 08:51 | deberia funcionar directamente, installa el ubuntu hoardy desde el disco alternative
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| 08:52 | y seleciona LTSP server
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| 08:52 | <kikin> intente bajar esa version
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| 08:52 | pero no me da la opcion de arranque con F$
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| 08:52 | f4
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| 08:52 | para instalarlo
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| 08:52 | al no ser que me haya equivocado
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| 08:54 | tengo la nueva version de ubuntu la 8.0.4
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| 08:54 | <Nubae> si deberia dar te esa opcion
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| 08:54 | <kikin> pero no la server
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| 08:54 | <maticue> kikin, te hago una consulta... vos sabes si rom-o-matic sirve tambien para ltsp 5?
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| 08:54 | <Nubae> ogra, alternative is just F4 and choose LTSP server right?
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| 08:54 | <ogra> !ubuntu
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| 08:54 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 08:54 | <ogra> the latter link has screenshots
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| 08:55 | <kikin> maticue: no sabria decirte
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| 08:55 | <ogra> but yes, only f4 at the alternate CD screen and preferably you should have two NICs
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| 08:55 | <maticue> gracias de todas maneras kikin
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| 08:55 | <kikin> de nada BRother
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| 08:55 | <Nubae> maticue si sirve
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| 08:56 | esta pensado para ltsp 5
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| 08:56 | <kikin> Nubae:
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| 08:56 | <maticue> Nubae, ahh, perfecto, por que yo lo estoy leyendo desde la documentacion de ltsp 4
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| 08:56 | Nubae, o sea que dejando las opciones por defecto deberia de andar no?
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| 08:56 | <Nubae> mejor lee la documentacion de ltsp 5
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| 08:56 | si
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| 08:56 | que distribucion maticue?
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| 08:57 | <maticue> Nubae, pero no no encontre doc. para hacer la ROM en ltsp 5
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| 08:57 | <kikin> esa el la unica opcion tengo que encontrar el ubuntu + ltsp
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| 08:57 | <maticue> Debian
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| 08:57 | <kikin> o puedo hacerlo desde esta version que tengo
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| 08:57 | ?
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| 08:57 | <ogra> Nubae, http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/server.html is the best ltsp5 documentation we currently have
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| 08:57 | <maticue> Nubae, ya tengo andando el servidor y las terminales desde diskette, pero quiero hacer que las terminales arranquen desde la placa de red
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| 08:57 | <Nubae> kikin, mira en el link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 08:58 | <maticue> Nubae, pero lo unico que encontre para el booteo de la ROM es de la documentacion de LTSP 4
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| 08:58 | <kikin> ok Nubae: de ahi baje la version de ubuntu
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| 08:59 | <kikin> Incluse baje la server y la destop
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| 08:59 | y ninguna de esas me da la opcion de instalar el LTSP
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| 08:59 | <Nubae> hay documentacion para ltsp 5 tambien, mira el link de arriba que commenta ogra
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| 09:01 | no, es lo opcion alternate
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| 09:01 | solo esta en ese disco
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| 09:01 | <maticue> Nubae, okas, la voy a ver ahora
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| 09:01 | <kikin> ok entonces me equivocque yop
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| 09:01 | lo voy a bajar
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| 09:01 | lo instalare
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| 09:01 | y te doy lata mas tarde
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| 09:01 | si es que se puede
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| 09:02 | <Nubae> si estoy aqui, intentare ayudarte
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| 09:02 | <kikin> gracias Nubue: eres muy amable
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| 09:02 | regreso descargo la version y checo con tigo mas tarde
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| 09:02 | Bye!
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| 09:04 | <maticue> Nubae, buenisima la documentacion! no la habia visto!
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| 09:04 | <ogra> :)
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| 09:05 | * ogra starts to decypher spanish slowly | |
| 09:06 | <kikin> ok
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| 09:07 | <maticue> Nubae, esta buena la documentacion pero igual no habla mucho de la Bootrom
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| 09:08 | <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe ??
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| 09:09 | <Nubae> I guess we need Spanish docos
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| 09:09 | <ogra> feel free to translate :)
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| 09:09 | we were hoping to get that for the edubuntu handbook
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| 09:09 | <Nubae> hehe, yeah, I will when I'm volunteering for OLPC I will
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| 09:09 | <ogra> but with ltsp moving out of edubuntu and into ubun tats obsolete now
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| 09:10 | <Nubae> edubuntu handbook is obsolete?
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| 09:10 | <maticue> thanks ogra!!!
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| 09:10 | <ogra> Nubae, in that form, yes, it talks about a lot of stuff that belongs to ubuntu now
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| 09:10 | maticue, you're welcome :)
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| 09:11 | <Nubae> ok, anyone working on moving it from edubuntu to ubuntu?
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| 09:11 | <ogra> Nubae, and its largely unmantained since mid gutsy already (thats why the pages still say "draft" )
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| 09:13 | <Nubae> firefox stops acting up when less people on line... think it could just be my move from 64 bit
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| 09:15 | <ogra> how much ram does your server have =
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| 09:15 | ?
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| 09:16 | and is it all used ?
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| 09:21 | <maticue> ogra, do you know what kind of type of file i need for a EPROM programmer?
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| 09:21 | elf? zdsk?
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| 09:21 | <ogra> sorry, no, i only worked with floppy and CD yet
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| 09:21 | <maticue> ok! thanks
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| 09:24 | <Nubae> its not the ram, I have 8 gigs, and only 3-5 is ever used
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| 09:25 | <ogra> do you have htop installed ?
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| 09:25 | <ogra> that gives an excellent overview what uses what in your system
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| 09:25 | <Nubae> I've been checking top a while and looking at what's taking up processor time, but its random
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| 09:26 | well, I have webmin installed and I look at that for an overview
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| 09:26 | people don't like it at ubuntu I know, but it works well for me, always has
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| 09:26 | <ogra> ebox is the new webmin :)
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| 09:27 | <Nubae> I'm a little scared to install that ontop of a ltsp system
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| 09:27 | seems like it changes a lot of stuff, more than webmin does
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| 09:27 | <ogra> but you install webmin ?
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| 09:28 | <Nubae> its just a web based interface, without adding any extra modules
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| 09:28 | <ogra> it doesnt change anything, it just guves yu UIs to edit system stuff ... at least the packaged version in the archive
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| 09:28 | <Nubae> well, then maybe I'll take a look and uninstall webmin, I've just always been afraid to do it on a working ltsp system
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| 09:29 | <ogra> our server team is working had on making it the defaul ui for a small business server setup for intrepid
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| 09:29 | *hard
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| 09:29 | <Nubae> really, didnt' know that
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| 09:29 | <ogra> since gutsy already
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| 09:29 | <Nubae> I have to learn it anyway for the XS server, since they wanna use it too
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| 09:31 | one thing that seems to be a mistake is that when an admin users puts in a usb stick, it shows up on everyone's desktop
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| 09:32 | <Nubae> surely that shouldn't be available to other users
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| 09:33 | <ogra> known bug, being worked on
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| 09:33 | will hit hardy-updates soon
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| 09:33 | <Nubae> ok
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| 09:33 | cool
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| 09:33 | <ogra> thats fallout of the switch from gnome-vfs to gvfs
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| 09:34 | <Nubae> thought so
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| 09:34 | <ogra> gnome-vfs had a patch that only showed devices to you you actually can access
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| 09:34 | gvfs doesnt have that fix yet
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| 09:38 | <Nubae> well, see u tomorrow... I'm off for the day
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| 09:44 | <maticue> a rom of www.Rom-O-Matic.net works for eprom, it isn't?
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| 09:46 | <warren> ogra: that will be a patch against gvfs itself?
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| 09:46 | <ogra> warren, my last patch went upstream to gnome-vfs, i know seb128 or pitti (whoever ports it) will send it upstream again
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| 09:47 | (no idea if upstream will accept it though, they will probably point to polkit instead)
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| 09:51 | <warren> does a patch for gvfs already exist?
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| 09:52 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "old gnome-vfs patch" (47 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/517
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| 09:52 | <ogra> seb128 said he would work on it
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| 09:52 | no idea how far he got yet
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| 09:53 | gvfs really sucks ...
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| 09:54 | (it wont in 3 months i guess though)
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| 10:04 | <warren> ogra: I just talked with a few GNOME developers. They think it is reasonable to have gvfs ignore a mount if you have no read access. However they are annoyed that this gnome-vfs patch didn't go upstream.
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| 10:04 | <ogra> warren, it was upstream
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| 10:05 | <warren> eh
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| 10:05 | <ogra> oh
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| 10:05 | no, it went to debian
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| 10:05 | gnome-vfs2 (1:2.18.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
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| 10:05 | [ Josselin Mouette ]
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| 10:05 | * 22_ignore_inaccessible_volumes.patch: patch from Ubuntu to ignore
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| 10:05 | volumes on which the current user doesn't have permissions.
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| 10:05 | Closes: #416692.
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| 10:06 | (which i would have expected to forward, gah)
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| 10:06 | thats from a year ago
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| 10:06 | <warren> ok, no big deal
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| 10:07 | <ogra> well, i relied on debian forwarding my patches(i do so for other projects as well)
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| 10:07 | that teaches me to rather go directly to upstream in the future
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| 10:07 | sad thing though
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| 10:15 | * ogra dances | |
| 10:15 | <ogra> http://people.debian.org/~hertzog/dpkg-source.html
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| 10:15 | package building directly out of a bzr tree, yay
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| 10:16 | no more tarballs or source packages .... what a beautiful future :)
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| 10:16 | <warren> other distros can grab the source packages with only bzr?
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| 10:16 | <ogra> right
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| 10:17 | the big masterplan in ubuntu is to have all publically available sources mirrored in bzr branches at some point
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| 10:18 | <ogra> and have features to do something like "bzr publish --target=ubuntu --version=1.2.3-0ubuntu1"
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| 10:18 | <cliebow> cool!
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| 10:18 | <ogra> so if you have an upstream project and two intresting additions in other publically available bzr trees you do a merge of the different trees and just publish that
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| 10:19 | saves immense amounts of time
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| 10:24 | <Blinny> I've got a client that isn't accepting the changes in lts.conf - what am I missing here?
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| 10:24 | I have a [Default] section with X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 then a [00:80:64:5e:3f:8b] section with XSERVER=via -- the client with that MAC keeps building an xorg.conf with Driver=openchrome
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| 10:25 | I also get an ldminfod line in the server's syslog showing a connect from the client. -- 1-2 every second and just streaming
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| 10:25 | (ltsp5 on hardy)
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| 10:28 | lts.conf file is in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 10:42 | <Blinny> maybe should be lowercase 'd' in 'default'?
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| 10:46 | <warren> ogra: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=530379
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| 10:46 | ogra: davidz doesn't like access() here and he suggests the mount points should go into $HOME/somewhere instead
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| 10:47 | <ogra> no way
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| 10:47 | we use the system default
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| 10:48 | oh, and . dirs are an explicitly bad idea
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| 10:48 | users use ltsp on terminal sessions etc not only in gnome
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| 10:49 | <ogra> if i cant read access a device, whats the purpose of putting it on my desktop ?
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| 10:49 | <warren> ogra: 'system default' of what?
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| 10:49 | <ogra> using /media
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| 10:49 | <warren> ogra: he isn't against that, he just doesn't want to use access()
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| 10:50 | and he explains why
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| 10:50 | <ogra> which xfce, kde and gnome understand and which offers a general way of accessing your data from commandline as well
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| 10:50 | "IMO, it would be better if LTSP just mounted these things in the users home
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| 10:50 | directory under e.g. $HOME/.ltsp/usbdisk-sdb2.
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| 10:50 | "
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| 10:50 | thats nothing you will ever be able to do on a debian system
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| 10:50 | <warren> why?
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| 10:50 | <ogra> or system that follows debian policies
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| 10:51 | <warren> what is the policy?
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| 10:51 | <ogra> you dont mount stuff in users home, you dont create symlinks to system dirs in users homes etc
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| 10:51 | home belongs to the user alone
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| 10:52 | <warren> do you have a gnome bugzilla account?
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| 10:53 | <ogra> i think so, from ancient gnome-screensaver/power-manager days i think
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| 10:53 | <warren> ogra: now he's asking how is gvfs working for you then? $HOME/.gvfs
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| 10:53 | <ogra> sadly, yes
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| 10:53 | <warren> .gvfs works by mounting stuff there
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| 10:53 | <ogra> but thats a virtual FS
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| 10:54 | <warren> not anymore
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| 10:54 | it is actual mounts
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| 10:54 | <ogra> argh
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| 10:54 | <warren> any non-GNOME app can see mounts
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| 10:54 | <ogra> warren, btw, if you run sudo gdmsetup do you get a gvfs mount for root ?
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| 10:55 | <warren> ogra: there is no gdmsetup here
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| 10:55 | the gdm rewrite didn't implement that yet
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| 10:56 | <ogra> ah, well use another admin app that uses the gtk fileselector widget then and run it with sudo
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| 10:56 | <ogra> gvfs is very very far from being ready imho
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| 10:56 | <warren> I need a concrete example
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| 10:56 | i'm willing to test it but I wont go hunting
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| 10:57 | ogra: davidz is willing to hide inaccessible mountpoints but he needs a better way than access()
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| 10:57 | <ogra> warren, sudo gtk-demo
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| 10:57 | double click on "pickers"
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| 10:58 | <ogra> ah, i dont get i anymore i just notice
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| 10:58 | <warren> gvfs-fuse-daemon on /root/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev)
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| 10:58 | that shouldn't appear?
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| 10:59 | <davidz> IIRC gnome-vfs did some horrible horrible stuff like forking twice to avoid issues like this
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| 10:59 | <davidz> for every stat call
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| 10:59 | <davidz> to avoid being hung
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| 10:59 | ogra: it isn't exactly simple to change gvfs to use access() because of this
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| 10:59 | <ogra> warren, well i have no clue what a gvfsd running as root can do
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| 11:00 | <ogra> i dont like one runing in the bg all the time, thats for sure :)
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| 11:00 | but i set it implies some security issues
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| 11:01 | warren, we'll find a fix during the porting, i'm not working on gfvs for ubuntu, i just did the old patch 1.5y ago
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| 11:02 | i'll point seb to the gnome bug, but its unlikely that we'll change ltspfs way to work for it
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| 11:02 | at least short term
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| 11:02 | (i'm pretty sure vagrant will agree on the "OMG dont mount in home"
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| 11:02 | )
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| 11:03 | warren, there are plenty of bugs with nfs mounted homedirs because of the mounts in .gvfs i heard (didnt test myself but that came up ofetn in support recently) how do they plan to fix that ?
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| 11:04 | <warren> any URL?
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| 11:04 | ogra: are your people filing those bugs upstream?
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| 11:04 | <ogra> users in #ubuntu
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| 11:04 | <warren> file it upstream
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| 11:05 | <ogra> no filed bugs, but i sometimes sit there and follow the channel on sunday mornings
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| 11:05 | <warren> or tell them to do so
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| 11:05 | <ogra> lets see if there is a LP bug
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| 11:05 | i know johnny had massive probs with sabayon through that
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| 11:05 | <warren> GNOME upstream wont look at LP
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| 11:07 | <ogra> hmm 103 open bugs there
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| 11:08 | <warren> If that's the case then somebody should summarize it and post a single bug in GNOME bugzilla
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| 11:08 | <ogra> warren, in any case johnny has a reproducable example with sabayon ...
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| 11:08 | they are not all gvfs ... thats just a search match
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| 11:08 | it also covers bugs where ppl abbreviated gnome-fvs to gvfs etc
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| 11:09 | <ogra> warren, i'm pretty sure seb128 does his job well, and forwards where needed
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| 11:10 | or rather sets a bugwatch if there are similar upstream bugs (thats what LP is for)
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| 11:15 | <warren> ogra: so he isn't against fixing this, he just wants a way that is safe from the kernel hanging the process
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| 11:16 | <ogra> i pointed seb to the bug
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| 11:19 | warren, ah, he already duplicated it
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| 11:19 | originally coming from LP
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| 11:19 | <likuidkewl> Anyone have a VT3314 VIA Chipset working in LTSP5 Ubuntu 8.04? We seem to have some issues with a Wyse V50le with this chipset and are wondering if there is a workaround.
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| 11:21 | <ogra> warren, bah http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352381 so much about ranting at ubuntu for not sending stuff upstream :P
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| 11:22 | <ogra> open since 2006-08-22
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| 11:29 | <warren> ogra: it seems they didn't accept that patch for the same reason: it uses access()
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| 11:29 | ogra: but they did fail to comment on it which is their fault
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| 11:36 | <ogra> warren, well, with gnome-vfs it never caused any obvious issues (we have it since edgy (6.10)) without any noticed problems
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| 12:08 | <likuidkewl> VT3314 VIA Chipset works with the vesa driver in the lts.conf but has an awful resolution. Any suggestions?
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| 12:09 | <Gadi> likuidkewl: try: X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16
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| 12:10 | <likuidkewl> Gadi: Will try thanks
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> likuidkewl: if that doesnt work, log into the client and check the xorg.log
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| 12:12 | <likuidkewl> Gadi: Have been this chipset is a pain in the rear. The Openchrome display driver crashes X all the time hence the vesa line
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> likuidkewl: what board is it?
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| 12:15 | <likuidkewl> Gadi: Wyse V50le so I have no clue
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> likuidkewl: do you know if it is uinchrome or unichrome pro?
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| 12:21 | <likuidkewl> Gadi: What the original driver was ?
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| 12:22 | Gadi: The orig driver auto detected was Unichrome
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> when you do: cat /proc/pci, does it say Unichrome or Unichrome Pro?
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| 12:22 | <warren> ogra: I'm tagging ltsp-trunk soon
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| 12:22 | * Gadi would stick with the original via drivers rather than openchrome | |
| 12:23 | * Gadi thinks the openchrome don't help for thin client use | |
| 12:23 | <Gadi> and are more unstable
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| 12:23 | <warren> openchrome fixed a few bugs for me
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> Unichrome chipsets have a limited set of hardcoded clock frequencies
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| 12:24 | in either case
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| 12:24 | warren: which bugs?
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| 12:24 | <ogra> warren, feel fre
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> and which chipset?
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| 12:24 | <ogra> e
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| 12:24 | <warren> complete deadlock when somebody runs glxinfo
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| 12:24 | or glxgears
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| 12:24 | I dunno what chipset
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| 12:24 | two of Jim's boxes
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| 12:24 | <likuidkewl> Gadi: No proc/pci still looking
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> what board?
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| 12:25 | ah
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| 12:25 | <ogra> warren, e1000 ?
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| 12:25 | * ogra hasnt seen worse HW in his life than the e1000 yet | |
| 12:25 | <warren> ogra: no
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| 12:25 | huh?
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| 12:25 | e1000 works way better than most other cards
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| 12:26 | <ogra> warren, the ebox 1000 thin client sold by disklessworkstations.com i mean
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| 12:26 | <warren> ebox?
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| 12:26 | <ogra> http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200110.html?id=QiekFPVv
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| 12:27 | <warren> ogra: that has sis video
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| 12:27 | <ogra> originally sold by ebox
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| 12:27 | called e1000 by them
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| 12:27 | they were at the UDS in seville to promote
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| 12:27 | yeah, its a SiS all in one device
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| 12:28 | <Gadi> sis is such crap
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| 12:28 | in general
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| 12:28 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:28 | <Gadi> the fanless intel mini-itx stuff all uses sis
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| 12:28 | wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole
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| 12:28 | <ogra> not the classmate
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| 12:28 | <laga> i wish they'd release some good 3d drivers. or spec.
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| 12:28 | <ogra> i'd so love if they would release the board standaone
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| 12:29 | it would make the most awesome thin client
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| 12:29 | with compiz and all
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| 12:29 | <warren> what does the classmate use?
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| 12:30 | <laga> yes, everyone needs compiz!
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| 12:30 | <ogra> warren, intel all over apart from the WLAN
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| 12:30 | (which you dont need for TCs)
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| 12:31 | i915, 256M ram, 900MHz celeron
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> yummy
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| 12:31 | <ogra> sold for ~$200
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| 12:31 | <warren> similar to eeepc
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| 12:31 | <ogra> but only to OEMs and in bigger chunks
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| 12:31 | less than eeepc
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| 12:32 | <warren> I mean, same chipset and CPU
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| 12:32 | <ogra> eee has 512M and a 4G SDD
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| 12:32 | *SSD
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| 12:32 | yeah
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| 12:32 | <warren> video is important
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| 12:32 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:32 | my new lappie has intel only ... no foreign HW in it
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| 12:32 | and i'm still in love after 10 days :)
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| 12:33 | <warren> 950 or 965?
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| 12:33 | <laga> ogra: what is it?
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| 12:33 | <ogra> touchscreen is something to get used to though
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| 12:33 | <laga> thinkpad x300? ;)
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| 12:33 | <ogra> http://www.notebook-paradies.com/oxid.php/sid/20aabde96f6e962cf427a710a718794e/cl/details/cnid/34d47e3d0619f1822.57725514/anid/34d47e3d4a6795b25.82142690/<b>NEXOC-Osiris-S621---Tablet<_b>/
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| 12:33 | warren, classmate or my lappie ?
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| 12:34 | <laga> hm, ja
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| 12:34 | ah, i remember
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| 12:34 | <ogra> laptop has: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
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| 12:34 | classmate has something that identifies as 915
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| 12:35 | laga, i was hot on the 7200rpm ... X300 doesnt have a HDD option at all
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| 12:35 | <warren> 7200rpm is slow! =)
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| 12:35 | <ogra> my lappie is currently faster than my build server :)
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| 12:35 | warren, come on, its a latop
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| 12:36 | my server has 10000rpm sata disks running raid
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| 12:36 | striping ...
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| 12:36 | <laga> ogra: the x300 has SSD :)
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| 12:36 | * laga steals ogra's server | |
| 12:36 | <ogra> laga, i know ... in 2 years i'll have a SSD in my next lappie
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| 12:37 | <laga> me too, hopefully.
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| 12:38 | * Gadi thinks ogra's new lappie will make him fat and lazy and l-b-c is going to start taking much longer.... :) | |
| 12:38 | * Gadi happily trades him his P3/1GHz | |
| 12:38 | <ogra> l-b-c ?
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| 12:39 | ah
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| 12:39 | click
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| 12:39 | Gadi, my next duties for the intrepid release include ressource reduction for subnotebooks :)
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| 12:39 | be sure ltsp will benefit ;)
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| 12:40 | <warren> remember the very first celeron?
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| 12:40 | it got super hot and it had no L2 cache
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| 12:40 | <ogra> thats the one in the classmate
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| 12:40 | <warren> the ebox 1000 was of similar speed
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| 12:40 | <ogra> but the classmate has 900MHz to cover the bad IO most of the time
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| 12:40 | the ebox has 233 or 300 only
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| 12:41 | <likuidkewl> Gadi: we canned the Wyse. Too many little quirks thanks for the help
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| 12:41 | <Gadi> likuidkewl: np
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| 12:42 | just remember, it's a strong man who helps his competition
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| 12:42 | :)
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| 12:42 | <ogra> as we say in the engine fiddling freak world ... cubic capacity > rpm :)
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| 12:42 | <warren> deb > cubic capacity?
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| 12:42 | <ogra> (raher have L2 cache than higher fequency ;) )
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| 12:43 | deb > everything
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| 12:43 | :)
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| 12:44 | warren, so with fc9 you switch to upstart ... you use the alternatives system as well already ... does fc10 use deb then ?
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| 12:44 | <warren> we've been using alternatives for many years
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| 12:44 | although almost nothing uses it
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| 12:44 | <ogra> (me follows the logical evolution here)
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| 12:45 | :=
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| 12:45 | :)
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| 13:59 | <kikin> HOla
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| 13:59 | buenas tardes
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| 14:00 | Pueden ayudarme
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| 14:01 | <laga> kikin: hablas ingles?
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| 14:01 | <kikin> no
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| 14:01 | i don't speal ingles
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| 14:01 | <laga> no hablo espanol :/
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| 14:02 | <Q-FUNK> mitäs sie nyt höpöttäät?
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| 14:02 | <kikin> ok
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| 14:03 | i hav a problem with the istalled of LTSP
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| 14:04 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 14:04 | <kikin> for i don't speak ingles 100%
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| 14:04 | <Q-FUNK> what problem and on which hardware?
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> kikin: hablo un poco de espanol
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| 14:04 | <kikin> ok vagrantc
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| 14:04 | <kikin> mira te explico
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> si
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| 14:04 | <kikin> estaba instalando la version nueva de ubuntu con el LTSP
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| 14:05 | pero a la mitad del camino de la instlacion me lanzo un error que no se podia instalar
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| 14:05 | me mando un mensaje algo de COrrupter
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| 14:06 | sra que esta dañado el Disco o tiene algo que ver con mi hardware
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> kikin: el error?
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| 14:07 | kikin: que es el error exactamente
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| 14:07 | <kikin> que no se puede instalar el programa LTSP
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| 14:07 | por que uno de sus archivos es Corrupter
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| 14:07 | o corrupto yo creo
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 14:07 | <Q-FUNK> cut&paste to paste bin
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| 14:07 | oh. checksum error on the cd?
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> sounds like some of the files on the CD are corrupted ...
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| 14:08 | <Q-FUNK> mastering error or bad self-burnt cd?
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| 14:08 | <kikin> eso memanda
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> kikin: tiene el imagen de el Disco ?
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| 14:08 | <kikin> si
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| 14:09 | tengo los dos
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| 14:09 | el Alternate que trae el LTSP
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| 14:09 | <Q-FUNK> if it's a mastering error at ubuntu, we'd need to warn the powers that be
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| 14:09 | <kikin> y el Destop
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| 14:09 | <Q-FUNK> the alternate cd has corrupt files or the main cd?
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| 14:09 | <kikin> asi es Q-FUNK
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| 14:09 | <Q-FUNK> self-burnt or received via shipit.ubuntu.com?
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> kikin: cual tienen archivos ... corrupted ? :)
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| 14:10 | <kikin> El Alternate
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| 14:10 | que trae el LTSP
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| 14:10 | <Q-FUNK> ok, alternate cd
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| 14:10 | right
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| 14:10 | <kikin> yo lo que quiero es instalar el LTSP
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| 14:10 | what can i make?
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| 14:10 | que puedo hacer
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> kikin: puede installar un sistema basica y installar LTSP al red ?
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| 14:11 | <kikin> eso es lo que voy hacer
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| 14:11 | tengo en otra maquina el ububtu 8
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| 14:11 | normal
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| 14:11 | pero mi duda es
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| 14:11 | meto el disco de incio de ubuntu le coloco f4 y seleccion Intalador de LTSP
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| 14:11 | pero que opcion le doy instalar ububtu?
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| 14:12 | me quita la version anterion o como esta eso
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> kikin: no estoy seguro para ubuntu ...
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| 14:12 | i'm not 100% sure here ... what the recommended way of installing LTSP without using the CD is on ubuntu ...
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| 14:13 | i'm thinking install a base system, and then install the rest from the network, and then ltsp-build-client ?
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| 14:13 | that's what i usually do on debian.
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| 14:14 | <kikin> ok vangrantc:
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| 14:14 | que me recomiendas hacer?
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> kikin: pienso installa un sistema de Desktop... sigiente installa ltsp-server-standalone o ltsp-server ...
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| 14:16 | <kikin> estoy terminando con una instalacion desktop
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> kikin: y usar ltsp-build-client para crear la installacion de LTSP
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| 14:17 | <kikin> en unos momentos cuandoi termine la isntalacion podrias orientarme?
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| 14:19 | ya termino la instalacion tebusco en 2 minutos vangrantc:
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| 14:19 | gracias
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| 14:19 | reinicio
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> reinicio sin LTSP ?
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| 14:22 | <kikin> vagrantc:
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| 14:22 | estoy de regreso
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| 14:24 | estoy actualizando Ububtu
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| 14:24 | por que solo tenia la versión de prueba
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| 14:37 | <kikin> vagrantc:
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| 14:54 | <kikin> Hi
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| 14:54 | to all
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| 14:55 | vagrantc:
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| 14:55 | how speak spanish
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| 14:55 | ??
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> kikin: como?
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| 14:55 | <kikin> vagrantc
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| 14:56 | me desapareci
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| 14:56 | por que isntale el ubuntu desktop 8
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| 14:56 | <laga> :(
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| 14:56 | <kikin> ahora estoy en una instalacion normal
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| 14:56 | si no puedo instalar desde el CD de ubutnutu el LTSP
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| 14:57 | entonces que puedo hacer
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| 14:57 | ?
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> kikin: installar "ltsp-server"
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| 14:58 | kikin: es un paquette
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| 14:58 | kikin: sudo apt-get install ltsp-server o apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 14:59 | <kikin> estoy instlando el lstp-server
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| 14:59 | listo
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| 15:00 | ya lo instale
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| 15:00 | que mas procede
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 15:00 | kikin: tiene dos tarjetas de red?
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| 15:00 | <kikin> si
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| 15:00 | pero solo utilizare 1 sin acceso a internet
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| 15:00 | no quiero que accese a internet
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| 15:00 | solo
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| 15:01 | utilizarlo como trabajo
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> la otra para los clientes
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| 15:01 | ?
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| 15:01 | <kikin> si
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> perfecto :)
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| 15:01 | ok, necesita configurar el segundo red ...
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| 15:02 | <kikin> antes de emepezar
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| 15:02 | quitame de una duda
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| 15:02 | <kikin> habia leido que tenia yo que instalar el ltspfs ltsp-manager
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| 15:02 | eentre otros paquetes
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| 15:02 | que tancierto es eso
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| 15:02 | ?
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| 15:02 | * laga needs to learn spanish | |
| 15:02 | <vagrantc> ltspfs, si.
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| 15:03 | no se que ltsp-manager es functiona bien o malo.
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| 15:03 | laga: yo tambien :)
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| 15:03 | <kikin> como quien dice que tengo que instalar mas paquetes
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> !ubuntu
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| 15:03 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 15:04 | <kikin> cuales son esos paquetes
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| 15:04 | ?
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> kikin: pienso installar ltsp-server-standalone ...
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| 15:05 | <kikin> bueno la lista de paquetes que nececito ya la genere de los que requiere la instalacion del disco para explicarme me fije que paquetes instala el CD LTSP
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| 15:06 | y los instale
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> kikin: cuando el segundo red es listo ... sudo ltsp-build-client ....
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| 15:09 | <kikin> se esta procezando el comando
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| 15:10 | esta validando y recibiendo
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> si
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| 15:10 | <kikin> te lanzo 1 pregunta
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| 15:10 | <kikin> tengo 2 ethernet
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| 15:10 | si en la 0 la quiero para internet y la 1 para mis clientes como hago ese cambio
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| 15:10 | ?
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> kikin: configurar en /etc/network/interfaces ?
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| 15:13 | <kikin> ok ahi es
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| 15:13 | ok
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| 15:13 | entonces estoy bien
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 15:13 | <kikin> se tarda un poquin
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| 15:13 | sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 15:16 | <kikin> auto eth0
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| 15:16 | iface eth0 inet dhcp
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| 15:16 | auto eth1
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| 15:16 | iface eth1 inet static
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| 15:16 | address 172.16.1.1
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| 15:16 | netmask 255.255.255.0
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| 15:16 | gateway 172.16.1.1
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| 15:16 | estoy en lo correcto
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| 15:16 | mi eth 1 es de mi trabajo
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> queire eth1 para internet?
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| 15:17 | <kikin> no la 0
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| 15:17 | pero la pregunta que te habia dicho es que si pude ser alrebez
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> no necesita gateway con clientes
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| 15:18 | <kikin> aaaaaa
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| 15:18 | ahi estaba mi error
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| 15:19 | entonces esta mal configurado
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| 15:19 | ahi es donde me hago pelotas
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| 15:19 | jaja
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| 15:20 | xD
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> kikin: necesita configurar /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf o /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 15:24 | <kikin> vagrantc
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| 15:24 | esos archivo son obligatorios configurarlos
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| 15:24 | esos no los se configurar
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| 15:24 | en un manualito que habia bajado
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| 15:25 | eso me decia que solo se le agregara al archivo /etc/network/interfaces lo que te mande
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| 15:25 | :-(
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> kikin: necesita configurar dhcpd.conf o cambia la red para 172.16.1. -> 192.168.0.
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| 15:27 | <kikin> todabia no termina de instalarse ltsp-buil-cliente
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> kikin: no termine
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| 15:33 | <kikin> vagrantc:
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| 15:33 | ha terminado la isntalacion del ltsp cliente
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| 15:33 | ok
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> kikin: esta bien, o no?
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| 16:50 | <warren> vagrantc: before tagging ltspfs I might have another fix
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| 16:51 | <vagrantc> warren: i just merged something new. i have no intent to tag.
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| 16:51 | <warren> vagrantc: on the ltspfs side any idea why it is creating /media/$username as 0755?
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> warren: no sure. but when fuse mounts on top of it, not even root should be able to see what's inside.
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| 16:52 | <warren> vagrantc: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526320
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| 16:52 | vagrantc: this patch against glib2 is looking at the permissions and seeing the last 5 and thinking it is readable
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| 16:54 | <warren> vagrantc: how much confidence do you have in that new code in ltspfs?
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> warren: fairly confident. i did actually test it. though debian's still using different udev rules.
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| 16:55 | <warren> different udev rules provided where?
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> warren: in the debian packaging
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| 16:55 | <warren> OK, I see lbmount.c has mkdir_safe()
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| 16:56 | if (mkdir(dir, 0755)) {
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> warren: you'd rather set that mode to something more restrictive? sounds like a good idea, with a little testing.
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| 16:57 | <warren> I'm seeing how it behaves if that's changed to 0750
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| 16:58 | <vagrantc> i've never really been able to wrap my head around numeric modes and umasks and such.
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| 16:58 | <warren> or do we rather want 0770?
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| 16:58 | or 0700
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> conceptually, it makes sense, i just can't figure it out.
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| 16:59 | i think i tried 0700 ages ago and it did not behave as expected.
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| 16:59 | <warren> hm
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> the directory was created with really bizzarre permissions
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| 16:59 | <warren> i'm trying 0750 now
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| 17:00 | what does the udev changes enable again?
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| 17:01 | <vagrantc> warren: the commit i just pushed merges add_fstab_entry and remove_fstab_entry into a single script with common functions.
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| 17:01 | <warren> oh
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| 17:01 | so not the udev change yet
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| 17:01 | <vagrantc> warren: so you'll have to either update the udev rules to use "ltspfs_entry add" instead of "add_fstab_entry" ...
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| 17:02 | warren: or make symlinks for add/remove_fstab_entry to ltspfs_entry ...
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| 17:02 | <warren> udev rules provided by?
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| 17:02 | like tomrrow is my last day to push bug fixes
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> i updated 88-ltsp.rules in ltspfs-trunk, it should work at least that well.
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| 17:02 | <warren> and I'd rather not touch ltsp anymore
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| 17:02 | oh
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| 17:03 | <vagrantc> warren: what version of ltspfs do you have now?
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| 17:03 | <warren> 0.5.1
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| 17:03 | <vagrantc> warren: stick with that. my latest commit is just functionally equivalent.
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| 17:03 | warren: it's just implemented a little cleaner.
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| 17:04 | warren: and the more involved changes i'm not confident in. i *think* it's the right direction to go, but it needs more review.
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| 17:04 | warren: that's why i haven't merged them yet.
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| 17:04 | <warren> I'll test what you pushed
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| 17:05 | I see that the changes necessary to use this are self-contained in ltspfs
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 17:08 | <warren> [warren@newcaprica ltspfs-trunk]$ grep -r "fstab_entry" *
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| 17:08 | scripts/ltspfs_entry: # called as add_fstab_entry or remove_fstab_entry
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| 17:08 | leftover?
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> warren: backwards compatbility
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| 17:09 | <warren> oh, if someone had used symlnks
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 17:09 | warren: at some point, we can remove that code, but for the moment...
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| 17:09 | warren: i wanted to maintain compatibility and it wasn't difficult.
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| 17:18 | <warren> vagrantc: your changes seem to be working here fine
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> warren: yeah, they worked well for me too.
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| 17:18 | <warren> I also built with 0750
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| 17:19 | seems to be working fine
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| 17:19 | <vagrantc> warren: and the directory is getting created the way you'd like?
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| 17:19 | <warren> yes
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| 17:19 | 0755 -> 0750
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| 17:19 | <vagrantc> what group owns it?
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| 17:19 | <warren> this means everyone else can't read or cd into that directory
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| 17:19 | which they already can't
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| 17:20 | ... /media/$username is owned by root group username
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> ah, 0700 maybe didn't work because it's owned by root
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| 17:20 | <warren> yeah, only root can create something in /media/$username
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| 17:20 | from lbmount
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> right
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| 17:20 | and the group is ?
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| 17:20 | <warren> whatever the user's group is
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| 17:21 | We need to consider 0700 0770 or 0750
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| 17:22 | oh, 0700 doesn't work for the reason you mention
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> right
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| 17:22 | <warren> 0770 or 0750
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> warren: there was a security concern about a user being able to DoS the / partition
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| 17:22 | warren: so the directory can't be writeable by the user.
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| 17:22 | <warren> ok then 0750 is desirable
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> yes, that seems about right.
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| 17:23 | <warren> checking in now
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> warren: does that address the issue in the bug report you mentioned?
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| 17:26 | <warren> yes
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| 17:26 | it works great with the glib patch
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> cool
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| 17:27 | <warren> 0750 should be fine for all past users as well
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| 17:31 | vagrantc: any objections to tagging this as 0.5.2?
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> warren: just with the 0750 change and the commit i just made?
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| 17:31 | <warren> ye
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| 17:31 | yes
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> seems fine.
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| 17:32 | in 2-3 days i'll make a new upload to debian with it.
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| 17:32 | <warren> wow
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| 17:32 | data cdrom worked as well
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| 17:32 | it is like magic
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> indeed.
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| 17:33 | :)
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| 17:33 | <warren> vagrantc: btw what do you know about our localapps support?
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> warren: ltsp's ?
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| 17:33 | <warren> yes
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| 17:33 | I'm realizing any multimedia is unusable wtih LTSP
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| 17:33 | youtube in firefox
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| 17:33 | omg
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| 17:34 | 20-40MB/sec bandwidth
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> yeah, pretty much un-useable.
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| 17:35 | warren: basically, i pretty much understand the blueprint for localapps that scottie proposed almost a year ago
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| 17:35 | warren: but little to no work has been done on it.
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| 17:36 | warren: although recently someone from extremadura, spain has been working on a simplified version of it
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| 17:36 | <warren> I'm working on LTSP server install media next
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| 17:36 | my remaining major problem is ETherboot being completely busted
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| 17:36 | none of the tools are working to wrap the F9 kernel
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| 17:37 | <vagrantc> ouch
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| 17:37 | debian sid is still using 2.6.24
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| 17:38 | <warren> ah, other polish things I'm missing
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| 17:38 | Shutdown, Hibernate, Reboot still appearing in my menus
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| 17:38 | not so good =)
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| 17:39 | * vagrantc wonders how it is for debian | |
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| 17:50 | <vagrantc> warren: quite the rationale for your 0750 commit :)
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| 17:50 | <warren> if we went through the effort of thinking about it, we might as well write it down
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| 17:50 | <vagrantc> fair enough
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| 17:50 | <warren> we might wonder why we chose that earlier
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| 17:51 | it might even prevent someone else from creating a security hole one day
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| 17:51 | <vagrantc> indeed
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| 17:54 | !seen sbalneav
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| 17:54 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 2 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 8 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Yep!
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| 17:57 | <warren> We must honor his memory and be strong as he would have wanted us.
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| 17:58 | doh...
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| 17:58 | my latest hunch of what was causing etherboot wrapping failure was wrong
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| 17:58 | <Q-FUNK> warren: wrong movie :)
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| 18:05 | <vagrantc> warren: 0750 won't provide any advantage if all users use the same default group ... but i know debian, ubuntu and apparently fedora don't do that.
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| 18:05 | at least, not by default
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| 18:06 | <warren> true
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| 18:06 | but is it a big deal? =)
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| 18:06 | <vagrantc> but it's no worse in that case anyways
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| 20:47 | <petre> warren, ping
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| 20:47 | <warren> ?
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| 20:47 | <petre> you mentioned changing the icon on the wiki, from the default trac one
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| 20:48 | <warren> yeah
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| 20:48 | <petre> I looked at trying to replace it with the K12Linux icon from the K12LTSP wiki, but I don't think I have permissions to make change at that level
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| 20:48 | <warren> we don't have time to make a permanent logo
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| 20:48 | I don't want a penguin in the K12Linux icon
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| 20:48 | <petre> right, that's why I 'borrowed' the one from the k12ltsp wiki
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| 20:48 | why not?
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| 20:48 | <warren> for one, penguins are against our corporate policy
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| 20:49 | and it is highly problematic if we later have a "sponsored by Red Hat" logo on the side
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| 20:49 | I was talking with Mairin Duffy about a permanent logo for K12Linux
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| 20:50 | we'll want something creative and unique from scratch
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| 20:50 | she's really good with this sort of thing
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| 20:50 | <petre> ah, ok, well then I'll leave it to someone else with more artistic talent than I
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| 20:50 | <warren> we also have fedora-art-list which has many talented artists
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| 21:33 | <petre> warren, I ran your new ltsp-build-client for f8 last night, successfully
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| 21:33 | but now when I try to start ltsp-vmclient, it hangs at the
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| 21:34 | <warren> where?
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| 21:34 | <petre> loading pxelinux.0 step
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| 21:34 | <warren> you sure xinetd is serving tftp?
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| 21:34 | <petre> yes
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| 21:34 | checked that
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| 21:34 | restarted xinetd just to make sure
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| 21:35 | <warren> did you tail -f /var/log/audit/audit.log to be sure selinux isn't rejecting something?
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| 21:35 | <petre> no, I'll look there
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| 21:35 | <warren> are you sure the individual services like tftp are enabled in xinetd?
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| 21:35 | <warren> chkconfig --list
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| 21:36 | <petre> yes, checked all those
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| 21:37 | <warren> OK, it is possible that something broke in F8 or my rebuilds for F8
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| 21:37 | OTOH it is more likely some kind of ocnfiguration problem
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| 21:37 | or maybe selinux
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| 21:37 | you could temporarily use "setenforce 0" to try it with selinux permissive
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| 21:38 | btw did you try rebooting?
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| 21:38 | <petre> well, not today I haven't tried rebooting
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| 21:38 | I think selinux is already set to permissive--uh, where can I check?
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| 21:40 | <warren> getenforce
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| 21:42 | <petre> yep, it's permissive; nothing sticks out in audit.log
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| 21:42 | I'll try a reboot, but first gotta let ltsp-build-client on my f9 vm finish
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| 21:48 | <warren> I'm pretty certain the F9 version works
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| 21:48 | I'll have to install a F8 box to test it.
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