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Channel log from 31 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:02 | <vagrantc> ooops.
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| 00:02 | i forgot to push ldm-trunk till just now...
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| 00:02 | sorry folks
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| 00:14 | <cyberorg> hi vagrantc , what's new in ldm-trunk?
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| 00:15 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: well, i just tagged a new version. only thing new since the previous version was a translation for greek
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| 00:18 | cyberorg: i didn't commit it to ldm-trunk, but i also applied the patch from: http://bugs.debian.org/482553
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| 00:19 | that partially addresses password expiry on debian ... not sure about other distros
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| 00:19 | since it's dependent on text spit out of the ssh session ... and apparently there's some different text for each distro
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| 00:24 | <cyberorg> ok, nothing exciting as new ask-pass method :)
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| 00:24 | <vagrantc> no, that will take a lot of work.
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| 00:25 | i'll start entering my "conservative changes only" mode in the next couple months.
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| 00:26 | <cyberorg> ok, hopefully gbolte and his team can come up with something useful
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| 00:39 | <Deadpan110> ...anyways... hello all... ima prolly pop in n out fer a while.... ima havin probs gettin local devices to werk in ubuntu hardy o_O
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| 00:42 | ...and on that note... client image rebuilt... so ima reboot this n then log in on mah server... bbs
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| 00:56 | <Deadpan110> ...ok... does anyone have a more detailed howto fer me to follow so I can check everythin fer mounting local devices... i fail on step 4 in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 00:57 | ...it seems that the local mount point in /tmp is missing
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| 07:47 | <jammcq> g'morning kidz
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> vagrantc, hi, can I somehow install Debian (sid) ldm in Ubuntu hardy, in order to try the newer version?
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you can t ry it, but i doubt if it will work- the packages in sid and lenny depend on files that may not be present in hardy's ltsp.
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> should I try only overwriting the binary in the ltsp image, or the classic way (uninstall - install deb)?
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| 11:40 | btw, dnsmasq 2.42 is out, it solves the problem of lts.conf not transferring (=netascii mode)
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| 11:40 | <vagrantc> definitely use the package.
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| 11:40 | cool!
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> Thanks! Sorry for my ignorance! :)
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| 11:42 | <vagrantc> i was thinking about patching our ltsp scripts to download the lts.conf in binary mode, but if newer dnsmasq supports ascii, there's really no need.
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> I've had some problems of dnsmasq not replying, though
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| 11:43 | <johnny> yay!
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> I've temporarily switched back to dhcp3-server, but it was worse, it crashed for bootp clients
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| 11:44 | So I'm back to dnsmasq and waiting for the new packages! :)
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| 11:45 | johnny, thanks for the tip, it was worth the fuss of switching!
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| 11:45 | <johnny> i spent quite some time to get it right.. nobody helped me out :)
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| 11:46 | glad i could help others
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> some time on what?
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| 11:46 | <johnny> when i first started using dnsmasq for ltsp , i spent alot of time tweaking my config to work
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| 11:46 | and i didn't really know what i was doing at the time
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> the example oin the source didn't work?
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| 11:46 | <johnny> and dhcpd was the only thing supported
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| 11:47 | since nobody else was using it in this room at that time period
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| 11:47 | vagrantc, i found the example elsewhere on the internet, but that didn't work right away
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| 11:47 | <vagrantc> i used to use it, and just recently updated the example in ltsp-trunk
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| 11:47 | <johnny> this was last october ish
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| 11:48 | <vagrantc> well, i was using dnsmasq in late 2006ish
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> The one thing I didn't manage with either of the dhcp servers, was to pass kernel options to nbi.img (etherboot)... I followed debian's docs, but couldn't do it. So I just served them pxelinux.0 and everything OK, my lab now works flowlessly with 2 dhcp servers (1 = ubuntu, 2 = router).
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| 11:48 | <vagrantc> and the example has been there ...
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| 11:48 | i just recently added tftp related stuff to it
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| 11:49 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you basically have to embed the bootprompt options for nbi.img in the nbi.img itself.
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> vagrantc, supposedly you just configure the dhcp server to pass option-128 = etherboot signature and option-129=kernel options. It's documented in debian.org, don't have the link handy, I can search...
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| 11:50 | <vagrantc> alkisg: oh yeah, that stuff ... haven't used that in aeons.
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> But it works fine by serving pxelinux.0 to etherboot clients, I don't know why we need nbi.img then...
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> because only recent versions of etherboot support PXE
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> My boot disk is from 2005...
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| 11:52 | Not gpxe, just plain etherboot.
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| 11:53 | <vagrantc> yeah, etherboot has had pxe support for years, but people still regularly come in here with clients that don't support PXE
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| 11:54 | it's not just the version- you can build etherboot without PXE support, and people do.
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> Oh, I see. Why doesn't somebody shoot them? :P
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> i'd prefer using my bare hands.
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> OK, they might have another pxe server, I was just joking
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| 11:55 | <johnny> vagrantc, been a bit more aggro lately huh...
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| 11:57 | <alkisg> vagrantc, I also found a bug in XKBOPTIONS, there's an error in configure-x.sh and they don't get default values from console-setup, resulting in clients not being able to switch languages, I guess this affects debian also? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/173067
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| 11:58 | <johnny> alkisg, it's hard to assume that, hardy's ltsp is much out of date
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| 11:59 | <alkisg> johnny, in summer I'll have time and I'll also try Debian. I've been using it in the past, but the pilot program that my school participated in forced us to use Ubuntu...
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| 12:00 | <johnny> well ubuntu isn't a bad thing
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| 12:00 | i'm using it just fine.. but then again. i'm willing to fix my own bugs
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> If it's easy for typical teachers to set-up, I'll switch, it'll be easier for me because I can download greek language support in DVDs without depending on an ADSL connection at school...
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| 12:02 | <alkisg> I'm also willing to fix bugs, I'm experienced as a programmer, but I've been at a loss as for where to report them! I'd really like a tutorial for how things work in cooperation between distros, upstream etc
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| 12:02 | (report = with patches)
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> Ubuntu is fine, I haven't used another distro recently, but it had the best install experience I've ever seen in Linux.
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| 14:07 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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| 14:07 | <ltspbot`> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <ogra> then it can sync dynamically
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| 15:48 | <empiric> hi all i want to install ltsp5 on ubuntu with nfs not with nbd what should i do
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| 15:52 | <empiric> guys?
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| 16:28 | <ace_suares> what would be a good way to get users/passwords synchronized on a vm ? NIS ?
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| 16:29 | <johnny> lol nis..
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| 16:29 | <ace_suares> so not nis !?
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| 16:29 | <sepski> ace_suares, nis is outdated ldap usualy
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| 16:29 | <ace_suares> i think of ldap but hey
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| 16:29 | lots' of unclear stuff, bad docs
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| 16:29 | <sepski> or just sync the files if that's sufficient
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| 16:30 | <ace_suares> hmm i tought of that
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| 16:30 | but root and all the system users would have to be there too then
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| 16:30 | <sepski> ace_suares, if it's a lot of users. and it's going to change now and then use ldap (libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap)
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| 16:30 | <ace_suares> or maybe just grep for some group and >> /etc/passwd ?? etc shadow ?
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| 16:30 | <sepski> ace_suares, yes it would be tricky
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| 16:31 | <ace_suares> i run a vm that connects to the host with nfs but is there anything better then nfs ? sshfs ?
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| 16:32 | http://www.suares.an/index.php?page_id=25&news_id=212#news-top
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| 16:34 | <sepski> better is usualy more expencive like a SAN solution.
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| 16:34 | you could try iscsi
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| 16:47 | <ace_suares> iscsi ? it's a VM !
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| 22:11 | <slappy> I need umask for a specific group. Someone suggest me PAM (/etc/pam.d/) . Does anyone here knows about PAM ? Is it a good solution?
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| 23:16 | <slappy> I found the info. Do I have to remove the umask in /etc/profile; ~/.profile; /etc/login.defs ? Thanks
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| 23:33 | <slappy> Maybe the way I understand my problem is wrong... I wanted all users of a group who shares a folder to have similar permissions on file creation (rw-rw----). That's why I thought a umask (002) for a specific group would be a great solution (even better if use with PAM). Is there any other way to solve my problem?
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