IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 1 October 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:13 | <mealstrom> good morning
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| 06:18 | <mealstrom> nevermind. keep sleeping :D
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| 06:37 | * muppis yawns... Wht? | |
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| 06:57 | <muppis> How I make sure that nbd swap is used?
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| 08:21 | <alkisg> muppis: `free`
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| 08:21 | Or, ps aux|grep nbd-client on the client, or nbd-server on the server, or check /etc/nbd-swap/ dir on the server, etc
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| 08:34 | <muppis> Then.. Is there way to disable ram swap?
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> NBD_SWAP=False
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| 08:37 | <muppis> Hmm?
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> RAM swap? Or NBD swap?
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| 08:38 | <muppis> RAM swap.
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> I don't think compcache or ramz are used by default now...
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| 08:38 | <muppis> It's still in Ubuntun 10.04
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| 08:38 | -n
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> !nocompcache
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| 08:38 | <ltsp> nocompcache: compcache is a module that compresses 25% of the client RAM and uses it as swap space. In LTSP we have NBD_SWAP though, so it's better to disable compcache by putting nocompcache as a kernel parameter in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 08:49 | <ltspuser_76> good morning
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| 08:50 | i need some suggestions
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| 08:50 | i have a squeeze filesystem and I'm opening terminal sessions using LDM
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| 08:51 | the problem is that some aplications like firefox, thunderbird don't have the same appearence or the same theme
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| 08:51 | what can I do to force these applications to have the same theme that is selected on the ubuntu?
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> Are they running locally, as localapps, or normally on the server, through the thin session?
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| 08:56 | <ltspuser_76> they are running on the server...
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| 08:56 | i only opens a LDM session on the server
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> And e.g. gnome-terminal has the correct theme, while firefox doesn't?
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| 08:57 | And the server is Ubuntu?
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| 08:59 | <ltspuser_76> yes
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| 08:59 | it's ubuntu 12.04
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> And gnome-terminal has the correct theme?
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| 08:59 | <ltspuser_76> yes
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> Can you post some screenshot?
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| 09:00 | E.g. imagebin.org
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| 09:00 | <ltspuser_76> only some applications have a different appearence
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| 09:01 | the menu of the applications (on top) has a differente colour
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> screenshot...
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| 09:03 | <ltspuser_76> let me try
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| 09:04 | because I have changed the scenario...
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| 09:04 | but I can descrbe...
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| 09:04 | describe*
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| 09:08 | <ltspuser_76> I am using gnome
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| 09:09 | the theme is Ambiance
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| 09:10 | and when I open firefox the menu with the tabs file,edit,View,History... instead of being dark grey stays light grey and with differente style and fonts
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| 09:18 | <alkisg> The problem could be that gnome-settings-daemon isn't running, but why don't you paste a screenshot to make sure?
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| 09:18 | <alkisg> Press print screen, then upload the file that was generated in your Pictures
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| 09:19 | You can also try running `gnome-settings-daemon` from a gnome-terminal inside the user session...
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| 09:20 | <ltspuser_76> ok
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| 09:20 | I will post a print-screen
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| 09:25 | http://imagebin.org/230484
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| 09:25 | you can see it here
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| 09:27 | here you can see the difference between the theme and the firefox application
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> What's the output of this, on your server? dpkg -l firefox-gnome-support
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| 09:32 | <ltspuser_76> operador@srv-od-tectestes:~$ dpkg -l firefox-gnome-support Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Nome Versão Descrição +++-=================================-=================================-=================================
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| 09:33 | ii firefox-gnome-support 14.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.12.04.1 Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla - GNOME support
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> It seems to me like firefox is a localapp...
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| 09:35 | <ltspuser_76> what i need to change to have the same theme?
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| 09:36 | or to run the app from the server?
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> Close firefox, open gnome-terminal, and there type: firefox
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| 09:37 | And see if it has the correct theme
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| 09:38 | <ltspuser_76> ok
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| 09:38 | let me try
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| 09:41 | I went to applications and select console
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| 09:41 | and then type firefox
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| 09:41 | e it looks the same
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| 11:23 | <markit> hi alkisg :) I've not been able to ssh in the fat client yesterday, even if I set a root password in chroot and rebuild the nbd image
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| 11:24 | I got an error about broken pipe or something like that (I'm at work now)
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| 11:24 | I've googled and changed ssh_config as suggested but without success
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| 11:24 | are you sure it works? I can ping the fat from the server, and I've no firewall
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| 11:25 | nmap fatip shows port 22 open|filtered
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> markit: yes, I'm sure it works, and also right click => root terminal from epoptes works
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| 11:43 | And finally, SCREEN_02=shell also works
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| 11:43 | <markit> SCREEN_02=shell works fine
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| 11:44 | but I need to ssh from my PC to the fat client
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| 11:44 | <alkisg> How did you set the root password?
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| 11:44 | <markit> so I can capture video or do other stuff with more ease
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| 11:44 | <alkisg> You can't capture video with ssh
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| 11:44 | <markit> alkisg: ltsp-chroot someparams
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| 11:44 | <alkisg> You have no access to the user DISPLAY there
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| 11:44 | Although with epoptes, you do
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| 11:44 | <markit> alkisg: I capture terminal with KRecordDesktop or whatever
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| 11:44 | I just need the terminal output
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| 11:44 | <alkisg> KRecordDesktop can access any user display?
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| 11:45 | <markit> no no :)
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| 11:45 | I record the black terminal :)
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| 11:45 | but then I can re-view in slow motion the iotop -o
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| 11:45 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 11:45 | <markit> or iftop
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| 11:45 | so I chrooted and issued # passwd
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| 11:45 | setting the password, correct?
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> That's to be able to login to the client
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| 11:46 | <markit> in chroot I was root... or am I wrong?
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> In order to ssh, you'll also need to install sshd, and enable remote root logins
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| 11:46 | <markit> yes, I want to login in the fat client
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| 11:46 | I've also installed in chroot the openssh-server
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| 11:46 | and checked /etc/ssh/sshD-config
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| 11:46 | and "permitrootlogin" was "yes"
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| 11:46 | I rebuild the NBD image
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> Can you test things now?
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| 11:47 | <markit> no unfortunately I'm at work
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> OK, ping me when you can
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| 11:47 | <markit> hope to meet you tonight
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| 11:47 | thanks in advance :)
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| 11:47 | I've emailed in KDE devs and they ask more info
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| 11:47 | so I need to ssh there and see what is plasma doing
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| 11:48 | alkisg: last question
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| 11:48 | you told me that iftop shows only 35MB when you login from LDM to gnome
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| 11:48 | but how can it be that all the gnome DE is only 35MB of code?
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> It's not
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| 11:48 | A login only accesses the stuff it needs
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| 11:49 | You don't need to load the gnome-calculator or totem in order to login...
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| 11:49 | <markit> well, and in only 35MB it has a working DE?
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| 11:49 | with menu, theme, icons...
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| 11:49 | incredible
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> Sure. But remember that thin clients use shared libraries
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| 11:50 | So if a library (gnome*) is already loaded, then the user doesn't need to load it again
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| 11:50 | <markit> well, FAT has to grab it
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> Ah yes we tried fats
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| 11:50 | <markit> each FAT has to get one copy from the server
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| 11:50 | yep :)
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| 11:50 | with thin kde works fine too
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> Then sure, 35mb it is
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| 11:51 | <markit> so also if you boot from hd, you load linux + gnome that is only 35 MB...
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| 11:51 | should boot superfast
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| 11:51 | but that sounds incredible... it should also eat only some MB of ram
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> We measured *after* ldm, right?
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| 11:51 | <markit> yes
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> So linux was already loaded
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| 11:52 | <markit> but Linux is 60MB more or less (I measured from boot to ldm)
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> I think I onced measured 50mb there, right
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| 11:52 | So in total, 85 mb for me
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| 11:52 | <markit> isn't that ldm uses some gnome libs itself?
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> That's about 10 seconds disk access for 100mbps clients
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| 11:52 | Yes, ldm uses gtk
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| 11:52 | <markit> I boot with kde in my workstation in about 1 minute :(
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> I've had fat clients boot in 12 secs
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| 11:53 | <markit> we are in different planets :)
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| 11:53 | wondering lxde what would do
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> Maybe ditch KDE then and switch to Gnome or LXDE
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| 11:54 | <markit> alkisg: well, I've instaleld kde everywhere, teachers have learned it
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| 11:54 | and also I've spent a lot of time for global settings etc
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| 11:54 | I whould start it again...
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> Global settings are not even needed with gnome :D
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| 11:54 | <markit> no?
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> (the stuff about caching etc)
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| 11:55 | I think i've read about optimizing some parts of kde for ltsp
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| 11:55 | I haven't seen anyone need that with gnome
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| 11:55 | <markit> how can it be? If I want to "impose" a menu to all clients? or disabling some behaviour?
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> No, not those
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| 11:55 | Some global kde* caches, indexing etc
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| 11:55 | <markit> I see
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> You do have to do that, right?
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| 11:55 | That part isn't needed in gnome
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| 11:56 | <markit> well, my only hope is collect meaningful data and have some kde dev take care
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| 11:56 | the first answer for my message was from the chief kde architect, so is enocuraging :)
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| 11:56 | <alkisg> Btw, for so much disk access, you should switch to nfs...
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| 11:56 | Otherwise you'll kill the server CPU
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| 11:57 | <markit> my global settins are some for reducing resources usage, other to customize the DE (like menu, double click to open folders, etc)
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| 11:57 | I've to go, see you
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| 11:57 | <alkisg> bb
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| 13:17 | <Torvalds> hello, can i use kernel 2.4.18 with LTSP 5?
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| 13:18 | is it compatible?
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> If you manage to find some distribution with that kernel and ltsp 5...
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| 13:18 | (I don't think you can)
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| 13:19 | <Torvalds> ;)
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| 13:19 | thanks.
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| 13:29 | <cliebow> pretty sure you need a 2.6..
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| 13:32 | <ltspuser_94> oi
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| 13:33 | bom dia
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> Καλημέρα
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| 13:36 | <ltspuser_94> alguem pode me ajudar?
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> \ask
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| 13:37 | !ask
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| 13:37 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 13:41 | <ltspuser_94> is to connect the remote client ltsp?
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| 13:55 | <gasper> m ltsp ubuntu 12.04 and need to connect remote terminals .... how?
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| 13:57 | <ltspuser_94> tambem estou com o mesmo problema..
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| 13:57 | <gasper> preciso conectar nos terminais como no "vnc"
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| 14:29 | <ltspuser_57> Hello!
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| 14:30 | <doboyle> anyone there?
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| 14:34 | <cliebow> thers as few of us...'
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| 14:38 | <doboyle> Was curious if anyone could point me towards troubleshooting sound issues in OpenSUse 12.2 (minimal)
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| 14:38 | I'm not getting any sound at all on my live boot
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| 14:38 | Sorry - Wrong forum
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| 14:39 | The correct question was - I'm working on deploying vmware view over ltsp - anyone have experience with that?
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| 14:41 | <cliebow> doboyle..hang on a while..someone might could help..cant remember the suse guy here..dberkholz maybe??
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| 14:42 | <doboyle> Thanks, the SUSE question was a mistake on my part - didn't mean to ask it in this IRC
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| 14:42 | I was hoping someone here had experience with VMware View
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| 14:43 | <foobar08> does anybody have a moment for a question re ubuntu based ltsp?
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 14:43 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 14:44 | <doboyle> I can try foobar
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| 14:44 | <foobar08> I have a 10.04 based ltsp server with a problem getting anybody logged in from LDM
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| 14:44 | <doboyle> LDM?
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| 14:44 | <foobar08> a quick note on the setup
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| 14:45 | I have a redhat server as the NIS server and the ubuntu as slaved to it for auth
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| 14:46 | I try to log on as anybody and I get looped around with "no response from server"
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| 14:46 | <doboyle> SOrry FooBar I'm already out of my depthon that
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| 14:48 | <foobar08> /var/log/ldm.log on the thin client gives this error
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| 14:48 | Process 2342 exited with status 0
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| 14:48 | ssh_session: ssh -Y -t -M -S /var/run/ldm_socket_2300_172.20.101.9 -o NumberOfPasswordPrompts=1 pcc@172.20.101.9 echo LTSPROCKS; /bin/sh -
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| 14:48 | ldm_spawn: pid = 2349
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| 14:48 | expect saw: pcc@172.20.101.9's password:
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| 14:48 | expect saw:
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| 14:48 | expect saw:
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| 14:48 | No response, restarting
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| 14:48 | Waiting for process 2340
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| 14:49 | now nobody has LTSPROCKS as their password. Does that matter?
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| 14:53 | whose passwd needs to be LTSPROCKS?
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| 14:55 | <cliebow> foobar08:some of these guys are in transit i think..
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| 14:55 | <foobar08> ok thanks!
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| 15:02 | <ltspuser_94> m ltsp ubuntu 12.04 and need to connect remote terminals .... how?
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> !epoptes
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| 15:02 | <ltsp> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> !ltsp-update-sshkeys | echo foobar08:
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| 15:06 | <ltsp> foobar08: ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
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| 15:06 | <ltspuser_94> thankss
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| 15:08 | <foobar08> I just did this, still can't get in
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> foobar08: did you restart your clients after ltsp-update-image?
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| 15:09 | <foobar08> yes
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| 15:10 | <gasper> thank'll check epoptes ...
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| 15:34 | <dberkholz> cliebow, doboyle2: sorry, gentoo
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| 15:37 | <highvoltage> nice. LTSP gets a mention in the kernel changelog summary: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.6#head-90a9988ae90f3481e4e6ddcae356bb8c614b531e
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| 15:55 | <knipwim> alkisg: fyi, i'm going to make a webbased lts.conf editor, based on the lts.conf.xml file
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| 16:21 | <cliebow> dberkholz, ..sorry about that
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| 16:32 | <alkisg> knipwim: very nice!
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| 16:34 | <Inar> G'evening everybody - I'm unable to setup pulseaudio for local apps on a fat client. Wondered if there's a wiki available somewhere?
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| 16:35 | System is Deb Squeeze.
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| 16:42 | <mikec> does anyone know if you can take an ltsp-cluster and have users authenticate to another AFS network? For example, we control two networks. Right now the ltsp-cluster is set up on our test network, but our production environment is using AFS users and file space. Is there a way we could configure LTSP cluster to authenticate to afs (krb5) that has existing users? Does this make sense? We basically want to integrate LTSP cluster into an existing networ
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| 16:42 | k environment instead of setting up all new users.
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| 20:27 | <Davew> Hi, I have an Edubuntu 12.04 ltsp system which it is intended will be used with numbers of student classes. In starting to set this up and add clients I attempted to install Thin Client Manager only to bei informed that there seems to be some Python related problem with it
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| 20:29 | My intention was to use this to set up the users and groups and then use the grouping with Menu Editor to apply restrictions. Anybody suggest a way forward ?
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| 20:30 | <||cw> I've not used thin client manager, but I do know 12.04 got a pyton update, so maybe it wasn't also updated?
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| 20:30 | or maybe just need to install an older python? should be a package for it
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| 20:30 | <stgraber> Davew: oh, I forgot that tcm is still in the archive, someone really needs to remove it...
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| 20:30 | Davew: epoptes is probably closer to what you're looking for
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| 20:31 | <Davew> Forgive me but I have not used it, can I add users and groups from here ?
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| 20:34 | You have also raised an issue here. How is a mere mortal supposed to know what is current and what isn't ?
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| 20:35 | And also what is relevant to what version ?
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| 20:35 | <stgraber> well, what isn't current shouldn't be in the archive, that's the problem here, we apparently forgot to kill it with fire a while ago ;)
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| 20:35 | ogra_: I'm not sure, was tcm one of your projects? if so, any reason why we shouldn't get it pulled from the archive for quantal?
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| 20:36 | <Davew> Which archive is this, I have a flame thrower.
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| 20:37 | <stgraber> the ubuntu archive, where all the packages come from by default
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| 20:37 | <Davew> OK I understand.
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| 20:39 | <stgraber> highvoltage, mgariepy: Davew is the author of the latest e-mail to contact@edubuntu.org (just in case one of you is typing an answer)
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| 20:40 | <Davew> I feel that there is a big issue with knowing what programs can be used with what version. Am I correct in saying then that Epoptes should be used with 12.04
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| 20:40 | And nothing else.
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| 20:41 | <stgraber> epoptes is the tool we recommend for Edubuntu 12.04, it's installed by default and feature in our documentation and installation slideshow
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| 20:41 | <Davew> And Menu Editor is still relevant to 12.04 ?
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| 20:42 | <stgraber> tcm is an old unsupported tool that unfortunately appears to still show up on the software center... I'll try to have it killed for good in 12.10 (we can't retroactively pull something from a released version)
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| 20:42 | <stgraber> yeah, the edubuntu menu editor should still work on 12.04, if not, poke mgariepy :)
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| 20:45 | <Davew> All of you I do appreciate the work you put in. At the other end of the scale, all I really want to do is to use Edubuntu. I have been involved with the use of systems in order to deliver IT, and because
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| 20:47 | <Davew> of outdated information the net proves to be more trouble than it is worth
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| 20:49 | <ogra_> stgraber, bin it :)
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| 20:49 | <stgraber> yeah, it's a problem, most of the Edubuntu work being done by alkisg, highvoltage and I, and that being done on our spare time, we don't really have time to fight all the false information on the internet...
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| 20:50 | though for 14.04 we should have Edubuntu server that will help to offer a single "right" way of doing things which should improve things quite a bit
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| 20:50 | ogra_: ok, I'll file the archive removal bug report then
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| 20:50 | <ogra_> pfft, just remove it ...
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| 20:53 | <stgraber> ogra_: I can't, not an AA, so I'm not supposed to press that button ;)
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| 20:54 | <Davew> Thank you all for your help. I shall fire up the server in the morning and see if I can get the Clients and groups organised via Epoptes. Regards - Do you need an LTSP tester or a documenter for real systems then I will oblige.
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| 20:54 | <ogra_> ah, damned ... take the infinity shortcut ;)
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| 20:55 | <stgraber> ogra_: bug filed. I'll nag Colin/Adam if it's not processed by EOW
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| 20:55 | <Davew> And finally I think you have removed my LTSP depression. Rgds :)
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| 20:55 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 20:56 | <Davew> Was quite depressed when I arrived here, but its lifting.....till tomorrow !
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| 21:28 | <celio> Hello, I have a ltsp server based on Ubuntu 10.10 with local printers and scanners working properly. I tried to upgrade to 12.04 but can't make the local printers to work. Tried with Opensuse 12.2 and has the same result. Sorry for my English. Port 9100 doesn't open. Can someone help me, please?
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| 21:31 | <||cw> so you weren't using cups before?
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| 21:32 | and did you do an inplace upgrade or a new install?
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| 21:33 | <celio> I'm using cups on server and make both, upgrade and clean install
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| 21:34 | <||cw> by default cups uses port 631 and IPP protocol only
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| 21:35 | in the upgraddes, did you also upgrade inside the chroot?
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| 21:36 | <celio> yes, because 12.04 ltsp doesn't support 10.10 client build
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| 21:37 | <||cw> right, just making sure :)
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| 21:37 | <celio> ok
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| 21:44 | Is JetDirect buggy?
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| 21:53 | @| | cw, thanks for your help. I need to go. Cheers.
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| 23:01 | <dimrim> hi, looking for help with freenx-server and sound, had someone experience with it?
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