IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 March 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:57 | <BrotherOdd> ??
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| 01:48 | * vagrantc wonders if any ltsp users use raspberry pi as an LTSP server | |
| 01:54 | <N6W6> hey vagrantc, I've been having some headaches trying to get it working as a client, haven't tried as a server though. I feel that kind of hardware has a lot of potential for thin-client stuff given its price though.
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| 01:55 | <vagrantc> yeah, although i'm more impressed by the wandboard or cubox-i at this point
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| 01:55 | the cubox-i looks really competatively priced with the rpi, but has a case by default.
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| 01:55 | <N6W6> oh that's nice, i hadn't seen that one
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| 01:56 | <vagrantc> and can conceivably run plain debian
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| 01:56 | with prospects of mainlined kernel support
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| 01:57 | * vagrantc is hoping to get one to test end of month | |
| 01:57 | <vagrantc> i've got the wandboard running off of debian's 3.13 kernel, although haven't tested video at all.
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| 01:58 | <N6W6> as that kind of hardware gets more popular i think we're going to see a lot of cool things like that coming out i'm excited for the future of it
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| 07:58 | <FrozenZia> Morning. Ok, so trying to do a ltsp-pnp install and I've gone and answered the "do you want to shut down nbd-clients with 'stop' command" with YES instead of NO, which I understand now to be the WRONG answer. What do I need to change now to undo my mistake?
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| 08:02 | <vagrantc> sudo dpkg-reconfigure nbd-server
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| 08:02 | er, nbd-client
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| 08:02 | FrozenZia: good to see ya
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| 08:06 | <FrozenZia> vagrantc: et tu -- was hoping you'd still be reachable thru the ltsp irc!
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| 08:07 | and tx! nice and simple...
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| 08:16 | <FrozenZia> There were some instructions somewhere for configuring an ltsp-pnp setup so clients could use a server-installed printer. They seemed to require that the server have a fixed IP address, does that sound right?
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| 08:22 | <alkisg> FrozenZia: the answer to nbd-client doesn't matter
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| 08:22 | And the server doesn't have to have a fixed ip address, no
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| 08:22 | It's just easier if you actually name your server "server"
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| 08:23 | Because then the dns name matches between the ltsp clients and cups server, so you don't have to do extra steps
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| 08:27 | <FrozenZia> alkisg: ok, tx. And I can do that name change with /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts, right?
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| 08:27 | <alkisg> Right, and reboot
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| 08:27 | <FrozenZia> Yep. Great. Tx!
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| 08:27 | <alkisg> Also verify that you share your printers in the cups settings
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| 08:28 | "share printers on this pc" "view all network printers" or something, 2 options there
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| 08:53 | <effenberg> never get used to cups, still sharing printers with netcat
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| 09:19 | <alkisg> sbalneav: ltsp.org is unresolvable in DNS, and the server is unreachable, both irclogs and ssh
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| 10:58 | <mealstrom> alkisg: do you need DNS server entry for that domain?
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| 11:17 | <alkisg> mealstrom: thanks, no idea, jammcq maintains the server, I'm just a poor lonesome dev... :)
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| 11:22 | <mealstrom> alkisg: ah, ok. If you need DNS server for ltsp.org domain ill give you a hand. let me know.
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| 13:30 | <gbaman> alkisg: shared folders arent working?
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| 13:30 | <alkisg> gbaman: what shared folders?
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| 13:30 | <gbaman> finally got it to run without an error, the logged onto pi. Where would it come up?
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| 13:31 | you passed me a shared folder script from sch-scripts
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> Ah. Well you're supposed to see what it does and adjust it to your needs
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| 13:31 | It works fine here, as part of the sch-scripts framework...
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| 13:55 | <gbaman> i did have to bring in common and a few other bits
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| 13:57 | it has created a new folder in /home/shared
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| 13:57 | but when i switched to my pupil account
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| 13:58 | it didnt have permission to open shared
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> Did you create a group and add both the teacher and the pupils to that?
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| 14:05 | The shares are group-based, you need to list a teachers group and some shared_groups in the configuration file, and add teachers/pupils to them
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| 14:24 | <gbaman> oh, it has a config file...
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| 14:25 | I created a group called pupils
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| 14:25 | and a group called teachers
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| 14:27 | is there a way to get it to create a default config file alkisg
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> gbaman: read the source code and create another one similar
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| 14:50 | sch-scripts are not internationalized yet
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| 14:51 | So you can mostly get ideas for them...
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| 14:51 | The configuration file is in sch-scripts trunk branch
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| 14:51 | <highvoltage> hey alkisg
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> Hi highvoltage
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| 14:51 | <gbaman> i noticed, anything I could be doing to help to speed the internationalisation on?
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| 14:51 | <highvoltage> alkisg: how's it going?
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> highvoltage: all ok... I'm still considering whether to use gnome-panel or some of the mint versions for 14.04 for schools here...
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| 14:52 | One of the major unresolved issues is that the keyboard indicator isn't working
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| 14:53 | That's a canonical developers issue, do you think you could ping someone to have a look?
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| 14:53 | (it's a regression, it used to work fine...)
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| 14:53 | <highvoltage> alkisg: yesterday I tried to figure out the delay in nautilus and indicator items in ubuntu... and failed.
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> The delay in launching gnome panel was caused by libc and was solved a couple of weeks ago, are you talking about that?
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| 14:54 | <highvoltage> alkisg: yes, still happens on my sync from earlier this week though
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> Hmm I reset a lot of the settings here to get things back as they were... does it happen with a new user?
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| 14:55 | <highvoltage> ah, I see some error about permission denied to the accounts service when trying to change keyboard layout
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| 14:55 | alkisg: yes, brand new installation.
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| 14:55 | * highvoltage syncs and does a new install just to be completely completely sure | |
| 14:55 | <alkisg> I think the problem with the keyboard layout is that it doesn't listen to xorg anymore, it only checks a gsettings key
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| 14:56 | The new layout changing combination is pretty broken, so I expect people here to keep using the xorg one
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| 14:56 | I.e. if you press alt+space and release alt before the space, it doesn't work
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| 14:57 | I think the older gnome-settings-daemon had an ubuntu-specific patch to listen for xorg layout changes
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| 14:57 | That was dropped a few months ago, I think that's what we need to get back
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| 14:57 | Or, drop the ubuntu-specific indicators and use the gnome ones, as those still work fine
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| 14:57 | It's just ubuntu that breaks things... :(
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| 14:58 | gbaman: there are no plans for internationalizing sch-scripts currently... maybe if some sponsors were found... you might want to check one of the open source fund raising services
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| 15:00 | <gbaman> would it not just involve making use of pythons internationalisation stuff by defining the greek strings as translatable and running them through, is it gettext?
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> Sure if you want to fork sch-scripts, you can
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| 15:01 | But to do things properly, the opposite needs to be done
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| 15:01 | <gbaman> i took a stab at it, but didnt get very far :(
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> I.e. write everything in english, don't put any greek-specific code (like some gsettings for gedit, totem etc),
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| 15:01 | <gbaman> every greek string now has _() :)
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> use translations.launchpad.net for translations, etc etc
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| 15:02 | Forking sch-scripts that way would make it very difficult to sync with newer versions
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| 15:06 | <gbaman> is launchpad translations automatic when set up or translated by hand?
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Real persons do the translations
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| 15:07 | <gbaman> not a way to automate it?
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> Automate the translations? There doesn't exist software that does translations right yet.
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| 15:08 | Maybe in 100 years...
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| 15:09 | <gbaman> stuff like google and bing translators do a rather decent job
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| 15:09 | decent enough for 90%+ of people
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> Nah
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| 15:09 | Not even for 10% of people
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| 15:09 | Don't forget that there are many languages that it doesn't support at all yet
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| 15:10 | And it only does a fare job at easy languages, latin based et
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| 15:10 | c
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| 15:10 | <gbaman> perhaps, but it supports a lot more than sch-scripts currently supports :)
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> If we wrote sch-scripts in english, and let google translate it to greek, we'd have a much worse UI than what we have now
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| 15:11 | <gbaman> did get a good laugh from it suggesting envelope instead of folder though :)
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> Wait until you read the translations it does to greek... :)
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| 15:11 | One needs to re-translate them to english to make sense of them
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| 15:12 | Also we have some greek-specific code, e.g. you wouldn't want gedit to use cp1253 (greek) encoding, nor totem to read greek subtitles...
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| 15:12 | <gbaman> :)
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> Nor the (broken in ubuntu) keyboard layout set in greek...
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| 15:13 | <gbaman> did make me laugh that most of the comments in sch-scripts are in enlgish though :)
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> We don't mind writing in english; we mind having to translate in greek on every release
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| 15:14 | Comments don't get translated so it's ok to have them in english
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| 15:15 | If some developer wanted to use and contribute to sch-scripts for many years, we would i18n them, it would be worth the trouble then
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| 15:15 | (some non-greek developer, I meant..)
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| 15:16 | <gbaman> think the issue is, LTSP just isnt know of over here
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| 15:16 | I was amazed at a recent geek event when i discovered 2 devs had heard of it (they didnt actually know what it was)
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> The name doesn't matter; it's just netbooting
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| 15:17 | Were many people at that geek even using linux?
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| 15:17 | *event
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| 15:18 | <gbaman> well, was a Raspberry Pi event, so 90% of them, but more were beginners
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| 15:18 | these 2 guys both had ubuntu as their main OS on laptops
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| 15:18 | everyone else had wondows.mac
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| 15:18 | *windows
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| 15:18 | *windows/mac
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> Here almost noone uses mac
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| 15:20 | All schools were using windows, but now we got many of them to switch to linux
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| 15:21 | <gbaman> here, in NI, every single school uses windows, 1 massive shared system, schools dont have a choice
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> But it wasn't as simple as it sounds; we had to package 5+ gb of greek educational apps in .deb format etc
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| 15:21 | It's against the law to not have a choice
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| 15:21 | <gbaman> some schools then use macs for art and music departments
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| 15:22 | well, they have a choice here :)
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| 15:22 | choice is, get free computers via the shared network
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| 15:22 | or buy computers out of your own school budget and set up your own network
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> Then someone needs to sue the shared network
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| 15:22 | For not offering alternatives
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| 15:23 | <gbaman> Wish it could be done, but it is backed by the government
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| 15:23 | paid for by department of education
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 15:23 | <gbaman> and subcontracted out to a hopeless company that is 3 years behind
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> Here, when the government wants to e.g. buy 100 PCs, it can't specify that it wants this OS and this Office suite and this vendor etc
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| 15:24 | It's illegal; it will get a big fine if it does so
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| 15:24 | <gbaman> were meant to be windows 7, wifi in all schools etc. 2ish years ago was promised
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| 15:25 | <alkisg> Anyways, jogging time, bbl :)
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| 17:49 | <pycoderf> hello all.
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| 17:50 | is there a way to verify local_apps=true is working from my lts.conf?
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| 18:04 | <Hyperbyte> pycoderf, do you have access to a local terminal on the client?
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| 18:04 | If not, do:
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| 18:04 | !screen_02
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| 18:04 | <ltsp> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 18:04 | <Hyperbyte> Once you have access there, type getltscfg -a
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| 18:04 | Shows you which config it loaded exactly.
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| 18:05 | Also, unless you're running some strange (or really old) version of LTSP, LOCAL_APPS is "true" by default and there's no need to specify it in lts.conf
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| 18:10 | <pycoderf> Hyperbyte: i am running the one fromt he ubuntu repos. also i noticed the ssh timeout doesnt seem to diconnect my idle client
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| 18:11 | <vagrantc> you're never really idle when running X
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| 18:16 | <pycoderf> so how would i best log out idle clients?
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| 18:16 | <Hyperbyte> pycoderf, are you asking about local apps or idle clients?
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| 18:16 | <pycoderf> Well if localapps work by default then I am not concerned about it and want to focus on idle clients
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> configure a screensaver to trigger logout
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| 18:18 | <alkisg> xprintidle
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| 18:19 | <vagrantc> xprintidle is useful for that indeed.
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| 18:20 | <pycoderf> i am using the mate desktop environment since cinnamon has a lockup issue and the screensaver does not seem to let the user unlock the machine
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