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Channel log from 10 July 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:45 | <LTSPTNK> is there anyone present familiar to my problem? (ldap / ad auth, usb storage not working)?
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| 00:46 | I just thought that there is somekind of script to make the clients so called "fat clinets", do they use same udev thingie to mount the usb storage?
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| 00:47 | daduke how have u done that, I have researched ant the problems is the mountpoint for usb media (/media/%USER) but that really aint the "user", infact it is the user group where that user belongs into
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| 00:48 | how have u made those ldap users part of some user group?
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| 00:49 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: I didnt. Our OpenLDAP directory has been around for ~ 8 years and I just integrated LTSP into our existing setup. https://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/233 shows what I did.
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| 00:55 | <LTSPTNK> does anyone know which umask would be same as chmod 600?
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| 00:59 | <LTSPTNK> or infact 700 would be better
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| 01:00 | so theowner can do anything, other acceess denied
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| 01:00 | for the mkhomedir, it uses umask instead of chmod
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| 01:31 | <nagma> Hi all! Has anyone here managed to get the new LDM with DIRECTX working on Ubunt 8.04 LTSP installation? I checked out revision 874 (latest) of the ldm-trunk, managed to compile it and followed the instructions in README(fixing a couple of errors in it in the process). Then I did "ltsp-update-image" and rebooted the thin client. All seems fine until X (ldm) should appear. The X cursor appears, then the screen goes black, then the cursor appears again and so f
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| 01:34 | <freenod1> I've got a problem with lbussd taking up the whole processor. When a user logs out it does not close down but takes up the whole processor. Is there somthing I can do to close it down correctly when they logout
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| 01:36 | <Ryan52> bluedragon: a quick google search shows a result that looks related to ltsp and lbussd taking up lots of CPU usage.
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| 01:36 | http://www.google.com/search?complete=1&hl=en&q=lbussd&btnG=Google+Search&aq=-1&oq=
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| 01:37 | have you looked at it?
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| 01:42 | <bluedragon> yes I did find that
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| 01:42 | it sound simular
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| 01:42 | however no solution just a problem
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| 01:43 | <Ryan52> oh, then idk.
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| 01:43 | <bluedragon> My problem looks very simular
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| 01:43 | but I do know that the problem does not start till somone logs out
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| 01:43 | I've sean loads of other reports of the problem but all without solutions as yet
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| 02:13 | <vlt> Hello. What has changed with nbd SWAP server since LTSP on Ubuntu 6.06? I have SWAP_SERVER=192.168.1.128 and NBD_PORT=9572 (which was 3000 before) in lts.conf. inetd is listening on that port to invoke the new nbdswapd. But swap is not activated on Ubuntu 8.04? What else do I need?
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| 02:37 | <bluedragon> Think I might have found the problem
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| 02:37 | (lussd not exiting correcly)
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| 02:37 | it looks like a problem in the perl module
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| 02:44 | <papaf> Hi all. I cannot, for the life of me, make the Autologin function of the newer ltsp to work. It simply sits there asking for the login. Using debian etch. Thanks!
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| 02:45 | <bluedragon> also if I logout now X will not restart untill lbussd exits which it does not because its stuck trying to get a connection to X
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| 02:45 | <daduke> papaf: we have it working on etch.
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| 02:46 | <bluedragon> using hardy
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| 02:46 | <daduke> !pastebot
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| 02:46 | <ltspbot> daduke: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 02:46 | <papaf> daduke: did you do anything special? I simply installed the included packages, 0.99something, and tried to enable it through ltsp.conf.
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| 02:46 | <bluedragon> using kdm if that helps
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| 02:47 | <daduke> papaf: you need vagrant's etch backports. See https://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/233
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| 02:47 | <bluedragon> I'm think logout procedure
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| 02:47 | <papaf> daduke: Oh. I didn't find a mention of it anywhere...
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| 02:48 | <daduke> papaf: stock etch LTSP is old as the hills.
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| 02:49 | <papaf> daduke: I noticed that. Also, those packages seem to be using a different rev. scheme. It was not easy to make heads or tails of it...
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| 02:50 | daduke: lots of things on that page. But I think there's nothing special to be done for autologin to work, right?
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| 02:50 | <daduke> papaf: I know. vagrant's backports work fine, we've been using them in production for months now
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| 02:51 | papaf: install the backports and look for the 'kiosk' part, that's the lts.conf settings you need
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| 02:52 | <papaf> daduke: Uhm, I just saw a link from that page to a wiki on debian.org. It seems I already followed that page before, so I already tried alioth's packages. Anyway, I already did so much testing that I could be confused. I'll try again.
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| 02:52 | daduke: Yes, I saw the portion of ltsp.conf, thanks. I'll try and get back. Thanks!
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| 02:54 | <daduke> papaf: welcome
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| 03:22 | <papaf> daduke: I see in the example that he's using a specific mirror (debian.ethz.ch). Do you happen to know if there's any particular reason?
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| 03:29 | <daduke> papaf: yes indeed: speed
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| 04:00 | <papaf> daduke: Thanks for your help! Sure as hell, it worked the first try... I really must have made a mess the other time...
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| 04:00 | <daduke> papaf: good to hear.
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| 04:01 | <LTSPTNK> does the users have other files than the ones under /home?
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| 04:01 | <papaf> Now the only (minor) issue is the hostname thing
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| 04:01 | <LTSPTNK> like some profile file?
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| 04:01 | and where that profile would be located?
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| 04:02 | <daduke> papaf: what's the 'hostname thing'?
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| 04:04 | <papaf> daduke: with those packages, I get an error during bootup about the hostname being invalid, and then I get (none) at the login. Now this doesn't really bother me, but in the ltsp.conf file I cannot specify the hostnames to define specific behaviour. I have to rely on their IPs
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| 04:04 | <daduke> papaf: we use HOST_NAME = patil in lts.conf
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| 04:05 | <papaf> daduke: uhm, well that must be put in a section, right? And what I'm trying to do is name those section using hostnames
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| 04:08 | daduke: that's only cosmetic, really. It's easy using ip addresses, so it's not really a problem
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| 04:08 | daduke: the big thing is that autologin works, and all the boot process is really really fast!
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| 04:09 | <papaf> daduke: I bet the boot process can be shortened further if I disable the various autoconf features, like X, right?
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| 04:12 | <daduke> papaf: I've never tried anything in this direction since we just leave them running at 9W...
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| 04:14 | <papaf> daduke: heh. Thanks again for your help. Bye!
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| 04:14 | <daduke> papaf: greetings!
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| 04:22 | <nagma> Managed to fix my problem - I hadn't user ./configure --prefix=/usr so it was looking for the greeter in /usr/local/libexec/ldm... not working quite yet, though.
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| 04:52 | <vlt> Hello. What has changed with nbd SWAP server since LTSP on Ubuntu 6.06? I have SWAP_SERVER=192.168.1.128 and NBD_PORT=9572 (which was 3000 before) in lts.conf. The inetd is listening on that port to invoke the new nbdswapd. But swap is not activated on Ubuntu 8.04? What else do I need?
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| 05:04 | <johnny> try reading the doc called lts-parameters.txt
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| 05:04 | it is in the chroot in the docs directory somewhere
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| 05:05 | perhaps the parameters have changed
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| 05:33 | <ogra> vlt, nowadays just setting NBD_SWAP is enough, drop all other swap related entries
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| 05:33 | (and make sure to have 8.04.1 (i.e. all updates until today)
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| 06:39 | <vlt> ogra: Thank you. All updates are installed. How does swap work when just setting NBD_SWAP=y but omitting NBD_PORT? The client script seems to use a hard coded port 9210 while inetd is listening on 9572 ...
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| 07:06 | * vlt wonders who created `if [ -n $(ps ax|grep nbd$i) ]; then ...` in the ltsp-client-setup script ... This is always TRUE, so the nbd device is always nbd15 ;-) | |
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| 07:10 | <vlt> Does anyone know where to define the size of the swap file nbd server is using?
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| 07:12 | ... and where to stores it (for example to /var/... instead of /tmp)?
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| 07:12 | *store
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| 07:24 | <ogra> vlt, on the server, have a look at the nbdswapd script ... it reads soe config (i forgot which though)
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| 07:36 | <vlt> ogra: Aah, thank you, it's /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf.
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| 07:39 | On Ubuntu 6.06 I used `x11vnc -display :6` on a client to be able to do remote support for the users. How
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| 07:39 | is this done now?
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| 07:40 | A few monts ago you (ogra) told me there was some admin tool to do this ...
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| 07:40 | *months
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| 07:49 | <ogra> vlt, italc
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| 08:10 | <LTSPTNK> hi again!
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| 08:10 | any one here with "workstation" clients?
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| 08:12 | for somereason my new test setup cant accees internet=
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| 08:12 | ?
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| 08:16 | <exodos_> LTSPTNK: check /etc/resolv.conf
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| 08:17 | <LTSPTNK> should it contain same on server and cliENT?
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| 08:19 | <ogra> yes
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| 08:20 | <ogra> but the one in the chroot is usually only used for client maintenance (i.e. if you need to install packages)
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| 08:20 | <LTSPTNK> they both contain the same :(
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| 08:20 | <ogra> a thin client ususally doesnt need network access beyond reaching the server
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| 08:21 | <LTSPTNK> but why the internet is then not working?
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| 08:21 | <ogra> no idea
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| 08:21 | <LTSPTNK> (im using not those so called "workstation" "fat clients"
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| 08:21 | now^
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| 08:22 | <ogra> fo rthin clients it suffices if the server has access
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| 08:22 | <LTSPTNK> i have no idea either
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| 08:22 | what about the interfaces on the server
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| 08:22 | <ogra> well, fat clients are not supported yet, so ymmv
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| 08:22 | <LTSPTNK> need for some gateways etc?
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| 08:22 | <ogra> likely you need to set up ip forwarding and masquerading
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| 08:23 | <LTSPTNK> ok, going to search for that :)
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| 08:23 | thanks again
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| 08:23 | <ogra> read up about ufw if you use ubuntu ... its the new way to control firewalls ... the server handbook on help.ubuntu.com should get you going
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| 08:41 | <LTSPTNK> doesnt help, gotta go home, thanks for all help :)
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| 08:42 | * ogra really wonders why everyone nowadays just borks their client env and tries to make it a fat client instread of fixing the smaller prob with their thin client | |
| 08:42 | <ogra> *sigh*
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| 09:01 | <chrisjrob> Trying to install x11vnc on the client. Followed the Edubuntu instructions https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients which AFAIK should work on Debian, in particular I followed the method using a password file. All seemed okay and on the client I can see the process running, but when I try and connect I just get unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111). Any suggestions?
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| 09:11 | <delly84> yesterday Nubae said something about enabling the "c flag" on the base for nbd write access
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| 09:11 | could anyone tell me what this is?
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| 09:12 | <ogra> man nbd-server
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| 09:13 | <ByPasS> ogra : remember my question on howto ssh from thin to the server itself ?
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| 09:15 | i forgot to mention i wanted to do from a shell thinclient only, works fine in X but with screenxx=shell
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| 09:15 | it doesnt altho it does if i try from chroot on server...
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| 09:16 | <delly84> ogra: thx
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| 09:19 | <exodos_> ByPasS: what is the output of `ping server` and `ssh server` executed on the clients shell?
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| 09:20 | <delly84> ogra: could you be more specific? do i have to start/configure the nbd-server?
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| 09:20 | <ByPasS> exo : it doesn ping np
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| 09:21 | exo : let me get the error again with ssh, seems like a auth method error
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| 09:22 | <delly84> ogra: when is the nbd-server started in the client setup?
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| 09:23 | <ByPasS> exo : yup confirmed ping fine / when I try to ssh I get Permision denied twice and finally Permision denied(publickey,password)
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| 09:28 | <exodos_> ByPasS: you can try `ssh -vvv server` to get more info
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| 09:30 | <ByPasS> exo : nice idea i never tho of trying now i see couple of errors :)
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| 09:30 | exo : it cry it cant open /dev/tty
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| 09:32 | let me try to use pastebot kinda long log
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| 09:32 | !pastebot
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| 09:32 | <ltspbot> ByPasS: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:33 | <supreme_> hi all
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| 09:33 | i cannot run localsound
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| 09:34 | the cat /proc > /dev/dsp works fine, but in gnome i just cannot get sound working
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| 09:37 | anyone?
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| 09:39 | <vlt> Hello. Is it possible to use kmix to control the client machine's volume? Can PulseAudio forward these settings to the client's alsamixer somehow?
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| 10:10 | <supreme_> hi
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| 10:11 | now i got sound
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| 10:11 | but for example xmms says that i im using soundcard but thats not true
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| 10:12 | i know i have sound cause i test it with gstreamer-properties
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| 10:13 | what can i do? pls
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| 10:15 | i tried with esdplay and i can hear wav files
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| 10:15 | but xmms cannot play any sound
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| 10:18 | it worked! i just unchecked "use remote host" in esd plugin properties, humm i though it mean another thing
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| 10:24 | <exodos_> supreme_: http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup#XMMS
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| 10:26 | <ogra> supreme_, well, in that case your client is a remote host (session and xmms run on the server)
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| 10:26 | it should also work if you switch to alsa though (if you use ltsp5 )
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| 10:27 | <supreme_> im using ltsp4.2 cause my ebox sound hardware got obsolete and it takes too much to boot with ltsp5
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| 10:27 | <ogra> ah, yeah, ebox i crap
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| 10:27 | *is
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| 10:28 | <supreme_> :( i know
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| 10:28 | <ogra> but cheap
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| 10:28 | (even though the thincan is chaeper and runs like a charm)
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| 10:28 | <supreme_> which machine is cheaper and better than ebox?
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| 10:29 | just an old machine?
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| 10:30 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: can the --enable-console option output the console to multiple ttyS ?
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| 10:31 | <ogra> supreme_, http://artecgroup.myshopify.com/collections/terminal-clients
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| 10:31 | Q-FUNK, --enable-console ?
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| 10:31 | <Q-FUNK> --serial-console
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| 10:31 | <ogra> to what command is that an option ?
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| 10:31 | <Q-FUNK> build client
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| 10:31 | <ogra> d-i ?
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| 10:32 | * ogra never used that, must come from vagrant | |
| 10:32 | <supreme_> ok, thanks
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| 10:32 | <ogra> supreme_, the DBE61 is one i can recommend ...
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| 10:32 | <supreme_> can i run youtube vid decently?
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| 10:33 | ...in dbe61?
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| 10:34 | <ogra> as decently as on every other 4-500MHz client i guess... i didnt test flash specifically
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| 10:35 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: that reminds me, you'll probably wanna upgrade your bios to the current one ;)
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| 10:35 | <ogra> well, it works fine with the installed one
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| 10:36 | the dbe60 didnt boot though ... i didnt dig deeper since i know its EOL anyway soon
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| 10:36 | i guess a bios update would help there
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| 10:36 | or reducing the nbi image i think i saw it complaining about size somewhere
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| 10:37 | <Q-FUNK> I'm currently investigating the 60
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| 10:37 | that's why I need the serial console
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| 10:39 | <ogra> i really think the nbi image is to big .... try with MODULES list and create a minimal list .... MODULES=netboot will pull all NIC drivers in
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| 10:40 | <Q-FUNK> it could be that too
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| 10:44 | where is the default module list set?
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| 10:47 | mind you, warren's guys have made a patch to mkelfimage that's supposed to take care of initrd relocation dynamically
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| 10:47 | <warren> I sent that patch upstream
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| 10:47 | <Q-FUNK> yeah, I merged it in debian
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| 10:48 | the funny thing is, the 61 works fine even without it, on ubuntu
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| 10:48 | <warren> does it help the 60?
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| 10:48 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:48 | <Q-FUNK> the 60 is the only one that's broken
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| 10:48 | <ogra> well, i dont think we have the fix from debian in hardy
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| 10:48 | <warren> pjones was right that a hard coded value wouldn't work everywhere
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| 10:48 | <Blinny> Any reason why an external HD wouldn't show on a thin client user's desktop? I can see the device in /proc/scsi/scsi on the client's console
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| 10:48 | <ogra> and intrepid's lsp doesnt build atm
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| 10:48 | *ltsp
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| 10:49 | <Q-FUNK> warren: and yet I think that's only half the explanation
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| 10:49 | <ogra> Blinny, ltspfs only catches partitions ....
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| 10:49 | <warren> Q-FUNK: how the kernel is built is half of it
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| 10:49 | Q-FUNK: anyhow with the patch has it failed anywhere?
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| 10:49 | <Blinny> ogra: Ah. So maybe it's not partitioned, just a FAT32 formatted device?
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| 10:49 | <ogra> if the disk is not partitioned like some win formatters do, it wont show up
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| 10:49 | <Blinny> That must be it. Thanks ogra.
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| 10:50 | <Q-FUNK> warren: no failure with it, so far, but no fix for the 60 either
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| 10:50 | <ogra> just check with cfdisk :)
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| 10:50 | <warren> oh, the mkelfimage patch didn't fix the 60?
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| 10:50 | * ogra cant tell | |
| 10:51 | <ogra> unless your patch is four months old ... then it would have gone into hardy
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| 10:51 | i think that was the last time i synced the debian package
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| 10:51 | <warren> I think pjones fixed this a month ago
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| 10:51 | mkelfimage was doing stupid things
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| 10:51 | <ogra> ah, then its in intrepid
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| 10:51 | which has various problems atm
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| 10:51 | <warren> he just copied what all other boot loaders do into mkelfimage
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| 10:52 | <Nubae> hmm interesting... Fedora has announced a EDU spinoff
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| 10:52 | <ogra> Nubae, about two years ago, yes
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| 10:52 | or 1.5y
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| 10:52 | <Nubae> no just now
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| 10:52 | on the mailing list
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| 10:52 | <ogra> well, nice
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| 10:53 | <warren> I'm actually not involved in that.
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| 10:53 | Fedora is a lot bigger than me.
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| 10:53 | <Nubae> seems slightly 'unofficial'
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| 10:53 | just maths utils
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| 10:53 | <warren> Nubae: it is just another spin group
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| 10:53 | Nubae: we have several groups that do their own spin
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| 10:54 | <Blinny> ogra: Part Type: Logical
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| 10:55 | <Q-FUNK> warren: has pjone's patch evolved since you submitted it to the coreboot list?
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| 10:57 | brb
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| 10:57 | rebooting
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| 10:59 | <ByPasS> ogra : related to my ssh to the ltspserver from thinclient (with screen=shell02) I found out with ssh -vvv that ssh cant find /dev/tty which make the read_passphrase to be aborted
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| 11:00 | the /.ssh/identity, id_rsa & id_dsa is (nil) but that shouldnt prevent me to use password method tho
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| 11:01 | <ogra> might be a bug in the "shell" screenscript
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| 11:02 | ByPasS, did you try -t as the ssh manpage suggests ?
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| 11:02 | <ByPasS> yup same verbose debug output
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| 11:04 | what u say looks to be the problem since as I said I can ssh in the chroot just not from the thinclient
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| 11:06 | <ByPasS> unless i can find a way to use key auth only - otherwise i will just try to use telnet for conncetion between thin client - ltsp server since I just want to log on server to start a terminal emulator (wyse60) which telnets out anyway to another server
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| 11:06 | unless telnet cries on tty aswell eh
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| 11:08 | <Q-FUNK> re
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| 11:15 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: where do we set that modules list again?
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| 11:16 | <ogra> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules in your chroot
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| 11:17 | <Q-FUNK> and where is the default list?
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| 11:17 | <ogra> hardcoded in initramfs-tools
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| 11:18 | /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions
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| 11:18 | look in the audo_add_modules() function
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| 11:18 | for net)
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| 11:20 | <delly84> does the nbd-server need to be started/configured somewhere? where/when does the nbd-server specify it's exported file, inetd.conf?
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| 11:21 | i am thinking my image is not getting exported correctly
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| 11:21 | <ogra> the nbdrootd and nbdswapd scripts on the server start nbd-server
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| 11:21 | <Q-FUNK> ok, so I added the only 3 nic drivers used by thincans to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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| 11:21 | <delly84> when are they called?
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| 11:22 | inetd.conf right?
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| 11:23 | <ogra> delly84, yes
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| 11:23 | it should have lines for each of them
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| 11:25 | <Q-FUNK> now doing dpgk-reconfigure on the kernel, then rebuilding the boot image
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| 11:25 | <delly84> so can i add the -c flag in inetd.conf for read write access to the image? or should i specify that in /etc/nbd-server/config?
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| 11:26 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, compare initramfs*.img with .img.bak to see if it gained you anything
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| 11:28 | <Q-FUNK> nope. both at 4.3mb
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| 11:29 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4,3M 2008-07-10 19:23 initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic
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| 11:29 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4,3M 2008-07-10 18:03 initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic.bak
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| 11:31 | <ogra> oh, wait .... where did you change the MODULES variable ?
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| 11:31 | <Q-FUNK> i did not
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| 11:31 | (19:15:21) ogra: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules in your chroot
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| 11:31 | <ogra> ah :)
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| 11:32 | <Q-FUNK> that's why I asked you wehre was the default list
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| 11:32 | <ogra> <ogra> i really think the nbi image is to big .... try with MODULES list and create a minimal list .... MODULES=netboot will pull all NIC drivers in
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| 11:32 | <Q-FUNK> yup, but that doesn't tell me what the default list is like
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| 11:32 | <ogra> sorry, didnt elaborate on that before :)
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| 11:32 | <Q-FUNK> right :)
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| 11:32 | <ogra> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/
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| 11:32 | should have an ltsp file i think
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| 11:33 | (or it might be in /etc/initramfs-tools/, cant remember right now)
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| 11:33 | <Q-FUNK> in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp
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| 11:33 | ok, so I replace netboot with what?
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| 11:34 | <ogra> list
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| 11:34 | its documented in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
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| 11:38 | <Q-FUNK> hmm.. sort-of. I'd probably need to know what netboot depends on, before I can skim it
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| 11:41 | <ogra> netboot makes mkinitramfs use the list defined in audo_add_modules under net)
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| 11:44 | <Q-FUNK> ah yes, right
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| 11:45 | <Q-FUNK> well, the initrd.img is now much smaller, but not the resulting nbi
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| 11:52 | <ogra> you need to redo the nbi
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| 11:53 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 11:57 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 11:57 | and where would I define cmdline option to enable an early console?
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| 11:58 | <ogra> /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf in the chroot
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| 11:58 | <Q-FUNK> that --serial-console option only seems to add a ttyS0 entry to /etc/inittab
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| 11:58 | <ogra> with BOOTPROMPT_OPTS
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| 11:59 | yeah, likely not adapted for upstart since i didnt even know it
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| 11:59 | but you should be able to use the standard way for upstart to just make it start a serial console
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| 11:59 | likely documented on the upstart homepage
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| 11:59 | <Q-FUNK> right, but that's not what I need anyhow
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| 12:00 | I need kernel output to serial port as soon as etherboot loads nbi.img
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| 12:00 | <ogra> http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-set-up-a-serial-console-on-ubuntu
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| 12:00 | that looks good
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| 12:00 | oh
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| 12:01 | yeah, thats different
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| 12:02 | <Q-FUNK> the options are the same, but where to place them to have them used by mkelimage is th equestion
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| 12:02 | <ogra> BOOTPROMPT_OPTS
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| 12:02 | <Q-FUNK> right
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| 12:02 | and default ones are where, so that I can append, rather than squash?
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| 12:03 | <ogra> BOOTPROMPT_OPTS="quiet splash console=ttyS0,115200n8 console=tty0" in /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
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| 12:03 | default ones are in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 12:03 | <Q-FUNK> I wonder why it has the console= statement twice
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| 12:03 | <ogra> hmm, typo
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| 12:04 | i bet
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| 12:04 | <Q-FUNK> or not. maybe to output both ways
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| 12:04 | <ogra> i doubt initramfs-tools takes that into regard
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| 12:05 | <Q-FUNK> we'll soon find out :)
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| 12:07 | <ogra> the kernel might though
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| 12:07 | <Q-FUNK> the kernel should
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| 12:07 | and in our case, that means kmelfimage
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| 12:08 | ... which sort-of acts as the bootloader
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| 12:22 | <delly84> Nubae: are you around?
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| 14:12 | * vagrantc is happy to report that ltsp is in reasonably good shape for debian's lenny release | |
| 14:12 | * ogra applauds | |
| 14:13 | <lejo_> ;=)
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| 14:13 | <laga> yay
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| 14:13 | * ogra still had no time to look why it implodes in intrpid | |
| 14:14 | <ogra> *intrepid
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| 14:15 | <ogra> vagrantc, btw, i had a discussion with cjwatson today ... debootstrap has definately code that copies /etc/hostname an /etc/resolv.conf in as a default ... i really wonder why we dont end up with either
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> ogra: i seem to recall adding code to blank out/remove /etc/hostname (as it was the server's) and resolv.conf gets copied, in my experience.
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| 14:17 | <ogra> not for me .. i added a plugin
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| 14:17 | ages ago though, i never checked again
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> 010-etc-hostname in debian handles /etc/hostname
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| 14:17 | <ogra> i know it doesnt get copied on CD installs
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| 14:18 | * laga has evil initramfs magic to create a sane resolv.conf in mythbuntu-diskless ;) | |
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| 14:18 | <ogra> because it doesnt exists on the host yet if our udeb runs
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| 14:18 | d-i creates it afterwards
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> ah, that could be. i haven't tested CD installs much until very recently.
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| 14:19 | <ogra> i usually test more CD installs tan normal builds
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| 14:19 | probably thats the reason for my impression
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> i finally figured out that i can use ltsp as a use-case for testing simple-cdd (my other main projecT)
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| 14:20 | so i can test both projects at once... and get sidetracked on which issues to actually fix
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| 16:30 | <delly84> So i am still working on a fat client install
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| 16:30 | i think ltsp-update-kernels might break the image
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| 16:30 | <Nubae> heh... get any further?
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| 16:30 | <delly84> yes
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| 16:31 | gdm starts up, i can log in and home mounts
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| 16:31 | <Nubae> but u shouldnt be doing update-kernels
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| 16:31 | <delly84> why?
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| 16:31 | <Nubae> ah great... so all is well
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| 16:31 | well, update-image should do that automatically
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| 16:31 | <delly84> oh ... really?
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| 16:31 | <Nubae> iirc yes
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| 16:32 | <delly84> ok
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| 16:32 | i used the --workstation flag, i think my problems before had to do with ldap, like you said
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| 16:32 | <Nubae> did you build up the fat client environment yet?
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| 16:32 | well, now you should be able to install ldap without problems
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| 16:33 | <delly84> hopefully :-)
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| 16:34 | <Nubae> so you mounted /home via nfs?
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| 16:34 | or not yet
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| 16:34 | <delly84> yes i have
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| 16:35 | <Nubae> cool
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| 16:35 | <delly84> i know :-)
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| 16:35 | <Nubae> yeah feels good once u start moving forwards...
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| 16:35 | <delly84> yeah
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| 16:35 | i noticed that when i did the ltsp-build-client --workstation, and it asks for a user with admin privileges, if you pause there without adding anything, the build client breaks
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| 16:36 | <Nubae> I'm gonna eat something, but I'll be around if you have questions
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| 16:36 | <delly84> ok, i have some stuff to test, but yeah ... good stuff
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| 16:36 | <Nubae> yeah... the installer needs a serious upgrade
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| 16:36 | when I get a chance, I'll, do that
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| 16:37 | <delly84> yeah, it could be, it's nice though to have something working
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| 16:37 | when you get around to it, would you just post it on the wiki?
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| 16:52 | <Q-FUNK> hm
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| 17:35 | <Cody> Anyone here using SLED, or more specifically Linux User Management?
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| 18:13 | <jammcq> helloooo friends
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| 18:13 | <rjune_> jammcq !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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| 18:14 | <jammcq> hey rjune_
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| 18:42 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <sbalneav> ´Hey all
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| 22:32 | <OS4> Hi all
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| 22:34 | I set up an LTSP server on Ubuntu (AMD 64 core 2 with S3 unichrome video card) and I am trying to connect to the server using XDMCP from my workstation (AMD sempron 32bit with Nvidia video card). I get this message: XIO: fatal IO error 11 (resourde temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"xnest is installed as i can ssh (-Y) into the server no problemi have also been researching this but have not found a solved case yet. Can anyone help?
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| 22:35 | I am running LTSP5 on Ubuntu Hardy
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| 22:36 | Can anyone help?
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| 22:39 | <Ryan52> 14:05 < ogra> x86, note that ltsp5 doesnt actually care or fully support XDMCP
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| 22:39 | 07:59 < ogra> masus, yu ill lose all additional features, but can enable it by SCREEN_07=xdmcp
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| 22:47 | <OS4> Ryan52: thanks for responding. Where do i put SCreen_07=xdmcp?
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| 22:48 | I used the terminal server client under applications > internet. my workstation is Ubuntu Hardy
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| 22:50 | I was able to do this really easy from Windows using XMING and a K12LTSP6 server and from ubuntu fesisty. This is my first time with LTSP5 on ubuntu
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| 22:51 | <Ryan52> OS4: lts.conf
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| 22:52 | <OS4> incidentally, my workstation has a rhine II nic and supports ether boot, but it does not have a floppy drive. I tried to boot from the nic but the thin client boot failed at TPTPD.
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| 22:52 | <Ryan52> OS4: probably something like /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf, I think.
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| 22:52 | <OS4> Ryan52:thanks, i'll check it out right away
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| 22:53 | <Ryan52> but I dunno if that actually turns on xdmcp...because that file is used for clients usually...idk
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| 22:53 | I just paste stuff out of my irc logs :D
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| 22:54 | <OS4> Ryan52: I see
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| 22:55 | well I did turn on remote login on the LTSP5 server
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| 22:55 | <Ryan52> but I do know that ltsp people think xdmcp is bad...
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| 22:56 | <rcy`> aside from lack of security, whats the problem with xdmcp? why not tunnel xdmcp over ssh?
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| 22:57 | <Ryan52> security is it AFAIK.
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| 22:58 | <jammcq> xdmcp is udp, can't tunnel that through ssh
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| 22:58 | <rcy`> hmm, right
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| 22:58 | <Ryan52> but is there anything that you gain by using xdmcp? (other than getting to use your favorite .dm)
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| 22:58 | <jammcq> OS4: i'm not understanding what you are trying to do
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| 22:58 | <OS4> lts.conf on my system is in /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/ but there is a note in it saying that it is no longer needed, or so i understand it
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| 22:59 | <jammcq> lts.conf is no longer needed, UNLESS you want to do some customizations. in a standard default installation, you generally don't need it
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| 23:00 | <OS4> I am trying to either log into the LTSP5 server using XDMCP or boot from my Rhine II nic using its bootrom (my workstation does not have a floppy drive)
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| 23:01 | <jammcq> ok, so how are you trying to use xdmcp ?
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| 23:01 | with Xnest?
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| 23:01 | <OS4> the nic boot failes at TFTPD
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| 23:01 | yes, with xnest
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| 23:01 | <jammcq> dunno what's up there.
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| 23:01 | ok, what command line are you using with Xnest ?
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| 23:02 | <OS4> xnest gives me an x display but nothing else. when I close it i get the error message:
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| 23:02 | <jammcq> gray screen?
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| 23:02 | with X cursor?
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| 23:02 | <OS4> XIO: fatal IO error 11 (resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
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| 23:02 | yes
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| 23:02 | <jammcq> show me your Xnest command line
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| 23:02 | <OS4> gray screen with x cursor
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| 23:03 | do not have a command line, i use the terminal server client in applications > internet
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| 23:03 | <jammcq> terminal server client isn't Xnest
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| 23:03 | it's rdesktop
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| 23:03 | isn't it?
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| 23:04 | pop open an xterm and type this: Xnest -query x.x.x.x :1
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| 23:04 | use the IP address of your hardy server
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| 23:04 | <OS4> the terminal server client has an XDMCP option when xnest is installed
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| 23:04 | <jammcq> ah
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| 23:04 | you've enabled remote logins for gdm ?
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| 23:04 | <OS4> yes
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| 23:04 | <jammcq> and did you restart gdm?
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| 23:05 | <OS4> I believe so, might as well do it again now though, to make sure
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| 23:05 | <jammcq> also, gdm has a bug with remote logins.
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| 23:05 | something to do with using the themed greeter for remote connections
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| 23:06 | <OS4> Oh dear
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| 23:06 | <jammcq> I found yesterday that if you don't use the fancy greeter for remote logins, sometimes it works
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| 23:06 | but for my customer where we were doing this, we ended up switching to XDM
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| 23:06 | it's butt-ugly, but it worked
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| 23:06 | <OS4> will use the simple on then. i think i had selected the human thene though
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| 23:07 | <jammcq> yeah, we definately had a problem using the human theme and gdm for remote connections
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| 23:07 | <OS4> ho wdid you do that?
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| 23:07 | <jammcq> there's a big long bug in launchpad describing that problem
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| 23:07 | how did I do what?
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| 23:07 | <OS4> :-(
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| 23:07 | use XDM instead
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| 23:07 | <jammcq> oh, I just installed the xdm package
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| 23:08 | BUT, it was a brand new server that I didn't mind trashing if things went wrong
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| 23:08 | I did: apt-get install xdm
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| 23:08 | and then it asked if I wanted XDM or GDM to be the default
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| 23:08 | but then, if you use XDM, you need to tweak the XDM config files to permit remote logins
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| 23:09 | <OS4> oh boy!
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| 23:09 | <jammcq> remote login via xdmcp seems to be very un-important to the ubuntu developers
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| 23:09 | <OS4> I find that to be true
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| 23:10 | <jammcq> the bug has been around for quite a while and I don't see anybody rushing to fix it
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| 23:10 | <OS4> in fact, it seem to me that there is no real interest in the idea of loggin in to a linux terminal server from another linux box
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| 23:11 | with a full X desktop
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| 23:11 | <jammcq> true
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| 23:11 | anyway, I hope that gets you headed in the right direction. I've got to get some sleep
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| 23:11 | <OS4> its all set for a Windows terminal server, but not linux
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| 23:11 | ok, thanks for responding
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| 23:11 | <jammcq> no prob, good luck
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| 23:15 | <OS4> Ah, but that didn't work
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| 23:16 | Anyone else trying to log into a full desktop on the LTSP5 server from a linux workstation?
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| 23:17 | <rcy`> b
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| 23:21 | <OS4> rcy`: I missed you post-I was offline for a bit
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