IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 26 June 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:02 | <l0C0> hi all
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| 03:15 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 04:29 | <yoshi__> question: i created 4 users with their own home directory, what i want is the there documents and picture folder is all pointing to 1 documents and picture folder so that they share their data that way. Can somebody tell me how to do it, i don't want to point to the same home dir in the user setting since they all have their custom desktop
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| 05:00 | <sep> yoshi__, i just make a directory somwehere. and symlink that into all 4 homedirs. with a obvious name
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| 05:03 | <yoshi__> sep great thanks
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| 05:05 | <sep> yoshi__, f you want them to be able to edit eachothers files. you also need to make the users part of the same group. and make the dir writeable by this group and set the sticky group bit. (so all new files get this group)
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| 05:05 | <yoshi__> how do i set the sticky group bit ?
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| 06:04 | <tarzeau> hello
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| 06:04 | i've tried the following options in lts.conf and they didn't affect xorg.org generation:
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| 06:08 | X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "\"AccelMethod\" \"XAA\""
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| 06:08 | X_INPUTDEVICE_OPTION_02 = "\"SendCoreEvents\" \"false\""
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| 06:08 | what else could i try?
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| 06:08 | i also want the 2nd option to be false, and not true. any hints?
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| 06:23 | * tarzeau tries the 2nd suggestion of Gadi to use X_OPTION_01 = "\"AccelMethod\" \"XAA\"" | |
| 06:23 | * ogra wonders which distros still support XAA | |
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| 06:24 | <tarzeau> ogra: would UXA or EXA be better?
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| 06:25 | <ogra> well, EXA is the default since nearly a year upstream
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| 06:25 | <tarzeau> ogra: i have no idea but with the etch+older geode driver it seemed to be faster, likewise on intel graphics cards with the lenny xorg
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| 06:25 | SendCoreEvents\" \"false\""
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| 06:25 | <ogra> and XAA was recerntly dropped (a few months ago) completely
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| 06:25 | <tarzeau> daduke: xorg.conf now is the true default
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| 06:26 | <ogra> oh, lenny might have old xorg indeed
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| 06:26 | <tarzeau> ogra: i see, i updated to the latest (4 days old) geode driver from their homepage, and it seemed fast
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| 06:26 | <ogra> it was frozen quite long
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| 06:27 | * ogra is to spoiled by ubuntu release speed ... i always forget how behind debian might be, sorry | |
| 06:28 | <tarzeau> we could use squeeze for the ltsp clients, if that's better?
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| 06:32 | YAY THAT WORKED
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| 06:39 | X_OPTION_01 = "\"AccelMethod\" \"XAA\""
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| 06:48 | <ogra> congrats
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| 06:48 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: freenode now provides a javascript-based irc client, what do you think of putting an iframe in http://www.ltsp.org/chat that encaptulates http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ltsp for the users that are not familiar with ltsp clients?
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| 06:49 | (so that we can point irc-newcomers there)
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| 06:53 | <ogra> you could also add a special "support" session to ldm that starts irssi in a terminal by default if selected :P
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| 06:55 | <alkisg> ogra, nice idea, I'm filing a bug report for this in launchpad
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| 06:55 | :P :D
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| 06:55 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:13 | <wima> not 100% ltsp related, but has anyone here experience in managing access rights for shared data for groups of users?
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| 08:14 | at the moment, we have shared tre for the ltsp users, and we manage access rights with group/user permissions
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| 08:14 | <wima> but it is a bit of a hassle. things always end up with the wrong permissions
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| 08:15 | and the users are not computer literate enough to solve it on their own
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| 09:07 | <newbie_needs_hel> hi
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| 09:08 | anyone?
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| 09:09 | <zamba> everyone!
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| 09:09 | <matttttt> just ask your question, if someone can answer it, they will.
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| 09:10 | <newbie_needs_hel> i need help setting up pxe
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| 09:10 | boot
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| 09:11 | <matttttt> that's not a question
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| 09:15 | <newbie_needs_hel> msg matttttt i am not sure where to locate initdr and the vmlinux
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| 09:16 | msg matttttt it has been a good decade since i used linux, i am very unfamiliar in using it
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| 09:17 | <ogra> with the existing ltsp5 implementations you should have an out of the box mode that just works on pretty much every distro
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| 09:17 | it will configure itself
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| 09:18 | <rjune_wrk> ogra: correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't ltsp5 require implementation by the individual distro?
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| 09:18 | <ogra> yes it does
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| 09:18 | <newbie_needs_hel> i did that... but my client wont boot
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| 09:20 | am internet researching, but not sure where to start
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| 09:20 | i am not sure where to grab initdr and vmlinunx
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| 09:22 | <matttttt> how far does your client get in the boot process?
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| 09:22 | <newbie_needs_hel> it displays insert boot disk
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| 09:22 | ltsp5 will configure itself automatically? and nothing needs to be done?
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| 09:23 | <matttttt> you need to configure your client to boot via pxeboot
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| 09:23 | sometimes called 'boot agent' in pc bios
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| 09:23 | not floppy, usb or hd
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| 09:23 | <newbie_needs_hel> i did that
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| 09:23 | since i am not familiar with actually what ltsp 5 does
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| 09:24 | <ogra> first of all get your client to boot from the net
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| 09:24 | <newbie_needs_hel> and a lot of webpage/guides, tells to modify the dhcpd and the thth
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| 09:24 | <ogra> thats not realted to ltsp at all
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| 09:24 | <newbie_needs_hel> no?
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| 09:24 | <ogra> if it asks for a floppy thats not correct
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| 09:25 | you need to enable PXE in the BIOS of the client
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| 09:25 | <Appiah_> newbie_needs_hel: change the boot to network
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| 09:25 | in bios
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| 09:25 | <newbie_needs_hel> i did that..
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| 09:25 | <ogra> (indeed only if the client has a PXE capable card builtin)
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| 09:25 | <matttttt> perhaps you didn't save your changes to the bios settinsg?
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| 09:26 | <Appiah_> does the client say anthing like Press F12 to boot from network?
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| 09:26 | <matttttt> you should be getting a tftp timeout, or some other error if it was configured like that
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| 09:26 | and somehow was still broken
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| 09:26 | <ogra> or it should just boot ;)
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| 09:26 | <matttttt> ogra: ideally :)
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| 09:26 | <ogra> in any case if it asks for a floppy its not doing the right thing
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| 09:27 | <newbie_needs_hel> hmm
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| 09:27 | <rjune_wrk> newbie_needs_hel: what are you trying to use as the terminal?
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| 09:28 | And what distribution are you trying to use as the server?
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| 09:28 | <newbie_needs_hel> using ltsp5 on fedora
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| 09:28 | <Appiah_> the client that you're trying to boot
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| 09:29 | is it a thin client? A laptop?
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| 09:29 | <newbie_needs_hel> thin client..
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| 09:29 | well
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| 09:29 | <Appiah_> "fat client" ?
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| 09:29 | <newbie_needs_hel> it's an old computer, i took out the hard drive
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| 09:29 | <Appiah_> kk
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| 09:29 | <newbie_needs_hel> and playing around w/ it
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| 09:29 | <CAN-o-SPAM> newbie_needs_hel: how old? what processor?
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| 09:29 | <Appiah_> is the network card onboard?
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| 09:29 | <ogra> and you are sure the network card in it can do PXE
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| 09:29 | ?
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| 09:30 | <newbie_needs_hel> i am actually not sure...
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| 09:30 | <rjune_wrk> ok, we need to find that out first.
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| 09:30 | what brand and model of NIC are in it?
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| 09:31 | <newbie_needs_hel> before while i check, do i need to configure those dhcpt etc as in all those guides on the net?
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| 09:32 | <Appiah_> unless your network already has a dhcp server running then you might need to modify it
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| 09:32 | <ogra> in ubuntu debian and gentoo thats configured automatically ... not so sure about fedora, but i would guess it does that too
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| 09:32 | <rjune_wrk> newbie_needs_hel: if you like, you can post /etc/dhcpd.conf to a pastbin and we can do a quick sanity check
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| 09:33 | newbie_needs_hel: pastebin.com will work for that purpose
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| 09:34 | <newbie_needs_hel> some generic realtek card 8139
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| 09:35 | <Appiah_> should do
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| 09:35 | <rjune_wrk> is that one of the models that needs a boot rom in it?
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| 09:36 | <newbie_needs_hel> do i need to put a boot rom in it for a pxe boot?
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| 09:38 | <ogra> no, either the card supports PXE booting or its an etherboot card
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| 09:38 | <newbie_needs_hel> the dhcpd.conf has # see /usr/share/doc/dhcp*/dhcpd.conf.sample
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| 09:38 | <ogra> the latter usually needs a rom
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| 09:38 | <newbie_needs_hel> that's it
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| 09:38 | <ogra> well, that means you likely need to configure dhcp on fedora ...
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| 09:39 | sad, i thought it puts something in place
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| 09:39 | <newbie_needs_hel> which i have been trying to do...
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| 09:39 | i can worry abut the client requirements later
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| 09:40 | <ogra> well, how do you know if it works without having a working client to test :)
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| 09:40 | i would start with getting a client together first :)
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| 09:40 | <newbie_needs_hel> well... the client is there and ready
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| 09:40 | <ogra> obviously not
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| 09:41 | <newbie_needs_hel> i can always use my laptop
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| 09:41 | <ogra> ah, ok, thats fine then
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| 09:41 | <newbie_needs_hel> if the original PC is too old to support it
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| 09:42 | <ogra> if you ran ltsp-build-client everything should be in place (beyond the dhcpd.conf)
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| 09:42 | <rjune_wrk> ogra: you can get PXE boot roms too
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| 09:42 | <ogra> i would suggest just copying the sample file across
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| 09:42 | ... restart the dhcp server and try ...
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| 09:42 | rjune_wrk, indeed
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| 09:43 | <rjune_wrk> dwc used to sell them, If memory serves, at any rate, he's got other problems.
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| 09:43 | <ogra> how do you know ?
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| 09:43 | he didnt try with a proper client yet :)
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| 09:43 | i would assume the sample file to be properly preconfigured to get it up and running in a test environemnt
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| 09:44 | and ltsp-build-client is supposed to do all the rest
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| 09:44 | if not, thats clearly a bug
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| 09:45 | <newbie_needs_hel> hm... how do i restart it?
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| 09:45 | <rjune_wrk> He may not have the ltsp5 stuff installed in fedora
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| 09:45 | <newbie_needs_hel> i downloaded the ltsp/fedora distro from the link on ltsp website
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| 09:45 | <ogra> if ltsp-build-client worked, he will
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| 09:46 | * ogra sighs, why cant every distro be as easy as ubuntu (or debian) :) | |
| 09:46 | <erieslabnx> hey I was told yesterday that most wifi cards would not support PXE, What about XDMCP via wifi? ath5k_pci driver
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| 09:47 | <newbie_needs_hel> what is that ltsp-build-client? is that a command that I should run? or is it exectuted automatically when i installed it
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| 09:47 | <ogra> apart from the fact that you shouldnt use XDMCP and that you might see a heavy bottleneck through wifi there is no reason it wouldnt work
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| 09:48 | newbie_needs_hel, no idea, i dont use fedora, uf you manually install the ltsp packages you usually run that command and it sets up everything for you
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| 09:48 | <erieslabnx> is there ANY way to actually use my wifi card together with my server? I really don't wanna be tethered down to my desk.
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| 09:48 | <rjune_wrk> newbie_needs_hel: can you send me the link to the page you were reading?
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| 09:48 | <ogra> no idea about that CD you downloaded and if it runs it automatically
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| 09:48 | <matttttt> ogra: what would they use insted?
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| 09:48 | instead
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| 09:48 | <rjune_wrk> erieslabnx: boot CD is one way
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| 09:48 | <ogra> matttttt, instead of what ?
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| 09:48 | <rjune_wrk> or you could run a full distro on your desk, and do ssh -Y SERVER
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| 09:48 | <matttttt> <ogra> apart from the fact that you shouldnt use XDMCP
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| 09:49 | <rjune_wrk> then run whatever app you want
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| 09:49 | <erieslabnx> ok rjune_wrk like you said yesterday about compiling the distro?
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| 09:49 | <rjune_wrk> matttttt: LTSP pipes XDMCP over an encrypted tunnel Ithink
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| 09:49 | erieslabnx: You can go that route, for one machine, it's probably not worth it
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| 09:49 | <ogra> matttttt, ssh ... nx or anything else with what you cant take screenshots from captured network traffic
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| 09:49 | <rjune_wrk> You won't need to compile anything I don't think, just assemble a boot CD
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| 09:49 | <ogra> rjune_wrk, ltsp5 doesnt touch XDMCP at all
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| 09:49 | <newbie_needs_hel> https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
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| 09:50 | <erieslabnx> anything that can get me as mobile as I was a month ago is worth it to me lol
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| 09:50 | <rjune_wrk> ogra: oh cool. I didn't know that.
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| 09:50 | <ogra> XDMCP is way to insecure
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| 09:50 | <newbie_needs_hel> i downloaded the live server
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| 09:50 | <rjune_wrk> erieslabnx: what OS is on your laptop now?
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| 09:50 | <erieslabnx> jaunty
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| 09:50 | ubuntu
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| 09:50 | <rjune_wrk> erieslabnx: you familiar with CLI?
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| 09:50 | <newbie_needs_hel> then i installed into another old PC with a thumbdrive
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| 09:50 | <erieslabnx> I know that is the thing I don't like lol
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| 09:50 | I am very eager to try to learn it though
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| 09:51 | <newbie_needs_hel> windows is in my laptop
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| 09:51 | <ogra> erieslabnx, get freenx for jaunty and install an nx client on your laptop ... boot your local jaunty and work through the nx client on the server
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| 09:51 | <rjune_wrk> erieslabnx: fastest easiest way to run an app on another machine is to drop to a shell(accessories -> terminal I think in GNOME)
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| 09:52 | <erieslabnx> lmao you mean by remote that I would be 100% CLI?
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| 09:52 | no GUI?
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| 09:52 | <rjune_wrk> and then ssh -Y <SERVER> <PROGRAM>
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| 09:52 | <ogra> all other ways to work via WLAN either cost money or are majorly painful to set up
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| 09:52 | <rjune_wrk> but what ogra said can get you an actual desktop.
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| 09:52 | <erieslabnx> ok
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| 09:52 | <rjune_wrk> or both.
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| 09:52 | <ogra> well, the ssh -Y is exactly what ltsp does by default
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| 09:52 | <erieslabnx> what is NX? Is it an abbreviation?
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| 09:53 | <ogra> ssh -Y user@server gnome-session ...
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| 09:53 | for example
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| 09:53 | NX is an app
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| 09:53 | <erieslabnx> like freevnc?
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| 09:53 | <rjune_wrk> ogra: oh god, that would be bad to do within an environment
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| 09:53 | <ogra> for only one ot two connections you get it for free
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| 09:53 | <rjune_wrk> erieslabnx: like freevnc, but a bit better.
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| 09:53 | <ogra> rjune_wrk, well, works if you start an xterm session
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| 09:53 | erieslabnx, its vnc but with compression ...
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| 09:54 | <rjune_wrk> right.
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| 09:54 | and forwards audio IIRC
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| 09:54 | <ogra> so its a lot faster and less network hungry
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| 09:54 | <cyberorg> hi, anyone going to be at linuxtag tomorrow? don't miss Jan Weber's Easy-LTSP talk in the morning
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| 09:54 | http://www.linuxtag.org/2009/en/program/freies-vortragsprogramm/saturday/details.html?talkid=722
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| 09:54 | * cyberorg shamelessly plugs in | |
| 09:54 | * ogra was pondering to go but surely hasnt a minute for ltsp stuff there | |
| 09:55 | <cyberorg> ogra, Jan is a great guy, you'll like what we've been doing :)
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| 09:57 | <erieslabnx> ok ogra 10:51:15.... you do understand the server is what I want to log into correct? The server (hiding in the closet) I log into often via xdmcp from my laptop wired... I just wanna walk around doing the same thing.
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| 09:58 | sorry if I am the one confused
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| 09:58 | <ogra> well, how do you do XDMCP wired atm ?
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| 09:59 | <erieslabnx> the terms server and client often are not together in my microsoft world. Client I always assume is the mobile unit/s
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| 09:59 | wired directly to the switch with cat5
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| 09:59 | <ogra> and why do you think it wouldnt work the same way via wireless
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| 09:59 | how do you do XDMCP wired atm ?
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| 09:59 | (i didnt ask about your network setup :) )
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| 10:00 | <erieslabnx> XDMCP does not seem to utilize my wifi card
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| 10:00 | it feels like it does not see the card
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| 10:00 | <ogra> can you ping ?
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| 10:00 | <erieslabnx> the wifi card only works once I am in my OS
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| 10:00 | <ogra> XDMCP doesnt have anything to do with your card
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| 10:00 | <rjune_wrk> newbie_needs_hel: the distribution should handle that.
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| 10:00 | <erieslabnx> Would that be determined with CLI?
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| 10:00 | <rjune_wrk> if not, it's poorly put together.
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| 10:00 | <ogra> erieslabnx, aha ...
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| 10:00 | <rjune_wrk> LOL
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| 10:00 | <ogra> erieslabnx, so you use XDMCP through gdm currently
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| 10:01 | <erieslabnx> I think
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| 10:01 | <ogra> (i.e. from the login manager)
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| 10:01 | <erieslabnx> I boot up, Ubuntu login comes on and I goto preferences
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| 10:01 | <ogra> right
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| 10:01 | <rjune_wrk> erieslabnx: the wired connection works before login, and the wireless does not?
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| 10:01 | <erieslabnx> yes it seems
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| 10:01 | <ogra> well, wireless is handled by network-manager
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| 10:01 | netwrok-manager only starts the connection if you are logged in
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| 10:01 | <erieslabnx> XDMCP when LAN wire is plugged in sees the server when not sees nothing
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| 10:01 | <rjune_wrk> erieslabnx: Have you put two and two together yet?
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| 10:02 | ogra: any way to change that?
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| 10:02 | <erieslabnx> I think
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| 10:02 | I think not
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| 10:02 | my router is plugged into the switch too
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| 10:02 | <ogra> rjune_wrk, he could configure wlan through /etc7network/interfaces instead
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| 10:02 | <erieslabnx> and works fine for Vista machines
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| 10:02 | <ogra> or he could just bring it up on tty1 with iwconfig
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| 10:02 | <rjune_wrk> Hrm..
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| 10:03 | Xnest might get the effect he wants.
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| 10:03 | or tsclient.
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| 10:03 | <ogra> sure, that too
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| 10:03 | <erieslabnx> is this a tables problem?
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| 10:03 | <rjune_wrk> as I think that'll do xdmcp and fullscreen it easily
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| 10:03 | <erieslabnx> because I don't know what tables are
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| 10:03 | <newbie_needs_hel> what is this ltsp-build-client?
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| 10:03 | <ogra> erieslabnx, your network is not up when you use wireless
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| 10:03 | <newbie_needs_hel> i am suppose to run it?
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| 10:03 | <rjune_wrk> erieslabnx: no, it's an interface problem. wifi is ahndled differently than wired
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| 10:03 | newbie_needs_hel: yes
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| 10:04 | <erieslabnx> yes newbie
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| 10:04 | oops
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| 10:04 | <rjune_wrk> erieslabnx: do you have tsclient on your laptop?
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| 10:04 | <erieslabnx> ogra all the wired clients can get on
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| 10:05 | I don't know what that is rjune_wrk
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| 10:05 | <ogra> erieslabnx, your network is not up ifr you are not logged in
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| 10:05 | <newbie_needs_hel> it says root directory /opt/...../i386 already exists..
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| 10:05 | <ogra> (your *wireless* network)
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| 10:05 | <rjune_wrk> erieslabnx: hit <alt>-<f2>
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| 10:05 | <newbie_needs_hel> do i need to run it with my clients connected?
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| 10:05 | <rjune_wrk> type in tsclient
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| 10:05 | <ogra> newbie_needs_hel, then you dont need to run it, somthing ran it already
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| 10:05 | <erieslabnx> ohh yeah I have that
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| 10:06 | <ogra> erieslabnx, sudo apt-get install xserver-xephyr
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| 10:06 | log in ...
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| 10:06 | in your system-tools menu you will have "log in in another window" ... run that
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| 10:06 | <rjune_wrk> I wish those deps were better flagged
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| 10:06 | <ogra> it will give you a login window you can run XDMCP in
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| 10:07 | <erieslabnx> I feel I am getting very close now :)
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| 10:07 | <ogra> the prob is that your wireless connection is only started after login
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| 10:07 | unlike your wired connection
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| 10:07 | <erieslabnx> yes that is what I thought was happening
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| 10:08 | <rjune_wrk> which is started when the computer gets turned on
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| 10:08 | <erieslabnx> like the drivers are not yet loaded
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| 10:08 | <ogra> drivers are loaded, connection isnt brought up
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| 10:08 | <rjune_wrk> security reasons for that?
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| 10:08 | <ogra> network-manager needs your network passwords etc
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| 10:08 | for wireless
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| 10:08 | <rjune_wrk> yes, that's the context we're in
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| 10:08 | <ogra> these are by default stored as your user
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| 10:09 | network-manager can only access them if you are logged in
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| 10:09 | there are two ways areound it
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| 10:09 | configure your wireless manually (alt-f2 and hack up the config files) so wireless behaves the same as wired
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| 10:10 | or log in and connect XDMCP then in a window
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| 10:10 | <erieslabnx> no tools option under system.... system/admin/login window seems to be settings for people to log into my laptop but not my laptop to remotely log into the server
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| 10:10 | <ogra> Applications-System Tools
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| 10:11 | <erieslabnx> nothing perhaps it needs reboot?
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| 10:11 | <ogra> no
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| 10:11 | <ogra> right click on Applications
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| 10:11 | edit menu ...
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| 10:11 | look for the system tools menu
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| 10:12 | <erieslabnx> got it
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| 10:12 | <ogra> enable the "login in new window"
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| 10:12 | <erieslabnx> ohhh yeah baby!!!!
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| 10:12 | <ogra> in that window you get a new login manager ... use it as you are used to
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| 10:12 | <erieslabnx> THANK YOU!!!!!!
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| 10:13 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:13 | <erieslabnx> Been trying this for like two weeks
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| 10:13 | now I need to completely understand to write my owns scripts within 5 minutes... Begin training now
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| 10:13 | lol
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| 10:13 | seriously thank you both so much
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| 10:13 | <ogra> welcome ... we all started once ;)
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| 10:14 | and bellive me, i wasnt cleverer in the beginning ;)
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| 10:15 | the trick is to ask the right questions (after you found out what they are) ;)
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| 10:15 | <erieslabnx> but it is so different now, before there wasn't much help at all, now we have this channel :)
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| 10:16 | you all learned a much harder way than I have to
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| 10:18 | <newbie_needs_hel> so tftboot should have been setup already? or do i have to set it up manually?
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| 10:18 | btw my laptop timed dhcp timed out....
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| 10:18 | <rjune_wrk> ogra: I think he found it
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| 10:19 | newbie_needs_hel: the server should have been completely setup already
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| 10:19 | <newbie_needs_hel> oh... so i need to remove everything i did... and revert it back?
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| 10:19 | <rjune_wrk> I'm not sure there.
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| 10:20 | * ogra sadly doesnt know a bit about the fedora setup | |
| 10:21 | <ogra> it should have set up inetd for serving tftp ...
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| 10:22 | in the inetd config you should be able to find the path where kernel and initrd are stored ... if the files are in there the ltsp side apart from dhcpd should be set up
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| 10:22 | <newbie_needs_hel> where is the inetd config?
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| 10:24 | <rjune_wrk> newbie_needs_hel: /etc/xinetd.d
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| 10:25 | <ogra> ah, right, fedora uses xinetd
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| 10:27 | <rjune_wrk> ubuntu doesn't?
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| 10:27 | shows how much I use it recently
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| 10:27 | <ogra> xinetd has license flaws
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| 10:28 | neither ubuntu nor debian use it
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| 10:28 | <rjune_wrk> what license flaws?
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| 10:29 | newbie_needs_hel: which file did yousay you downloaded from the k12linux site?
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| 10:30 | <ogra> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#xinetd
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| 10:31 | you cant ship it together with GPL software
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| 10:31 | <newbie_needs_hel> liveCD
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| 10:32 | K12Linux F10 Live Server rele
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| 10:33 | <rjune_wrk> ogra: by ship do you mean link? because I see nothing in the license that would prohibit debian from using it
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| 10:33 | <ogra> it is incompatible with the GPL
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| 10:34 | <rjune_wrk> yes it is.
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| 10:34 | <ogra> so it will never enter debian main
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| 10:37 | <newbie_needs_hel> then i started doing http://www.opensourcehowto.org/how-to/tftp/tftp--pxe--syslinux--fedora-install.html
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| 10:38 | <rjune_wrk> ogra: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/common-distros.html
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| 10:38 | <ogra> rjune_wrk, ?
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| 10:39 | <rjune_wrk> fsf makes the claim that debian does indeed have non-free in main
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| 10:39 | <ogra> yes ?
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| 10:39 | <rjune_wrk> which contradicts your statement that xinetd is not gpl compatible, thus will never make it to main.
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| 10:40 | or is there another part of that which I missed
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| 10:40 | <ogra> see, if we ship free software and make the claim that the free parts are freely modifyable something like xinetd is impossible to ship
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| 10:40 | one has nothing to do with the other
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| 10:40 | ubuntu ships nvidia.ko ... but doesnt claim you can modify it
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| 10:40 | for all other software we do claim that
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| 10:41 | xinetd license makes that impossible
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| 10:41 | <rjune_wrk> You said, debian main is all GPL compatible software, yes?
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| 10:42 | <newbie_needs_hel> anyways, now my dhcpd does not start up
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| 10:42 | <ogra> rjune_wrk, yes, it is
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| 10:42 | <cyberorg> ogra, according to this, we are allowed to ship modifications to xinetd http://www.xinetd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/xinetd/COPYRIGHT?rev=1.1.1.1;content-type=text%2Fplain
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| 10:43 | <ogra> rjune_wrk, that statement is outdated ... firmware for wireless cards isnt included by default in debian anymore afaik
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| 10:43 | <cyberorg> only restriction author put was about versions, he later allowed higher versions
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| 10:43 | <ogra> cyberorg, "... under the following additional terms: ..."
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| 10:43 | <rjune_wrk> ogra: ah, ok.
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| 10:43 | <ogra> thats the sentence that doesnt work
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| 10:43 | <rjune_wrk> cyberorg: it still isn't gpl compatible.
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| 10:44 | <cyberorg> rjune_wrk, yeah got it, but that is trivial term, to keep suggested versioning, anyway it does not matter, we are using xinetd :)
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| 10:45 | ogra, he could have just put "with these suggestions..." instead of "additional terms:"
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| 10:45 | <rjune_wrk> newbie_needs_hel: wtf? I have to suggest you try a different ltsp implementation. this really should be plug and play, not plug and pray
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| 10:45 | cyberorg: but he didn't.
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| 10:45 | <ogra> right
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| 10:46 | thats what makes the difference
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| 10:46 | and be sure he was contacted about it by the fsf
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| 10:46 | <rjune_wrk> cyberorg: you could suggest he change the verbage.
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| 10:49 | <cyberorg> newbie_needs_hel, get li-f-e ;) http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live
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| 10:49 | <erieslabnx> ogra do you personally use xephyr?
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| 10:49 | it is great
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| 10:49 | <rjune_wrk> erieslabnx: I think many of us have used it before.
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| 10:50 | <ogra> erieslabnx, to test local stuff sometimes
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| 10:50 | <erieslabnx> I feel like I am missing out on something better now lol
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| 10:50 | just agree that it is great :D
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| 10:53 | <newbie_needs_hel> hmm well that guide is outdated
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| 10:53 | <erieslabnx> The resolution on the server's 22" LCD is considerably higher than that of my HP laptop. Is that controlled with a script for xephyr or a setting on the server? I am finding forums saying 2 different things.
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| 10:54 | <newbie_needs_hel> i am not really for downloading a newer version, becoz i wont be able to do it until next week
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| 10:56 | <newbie_needs_hel> so no one has used fedora?
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| 11:01 | <newbie_needs_hel> let me resstart
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| 11:49 | <pmatulis> is it normal to be getting multiple nbd connection requests during client bootup? i'm seeing disconnect requests and then reconnect attempts
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| 11:49 | <ltsppbot> "pmatulis" pasted "nbd-related log messages" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/387
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| 11:51 | <ogra> pmatulis, yes, thats because stgraber added a reconnect to enable --persist on connections that dont have it by default
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| 11:52 | <pmatulis> ogra: this 'persist' is controlled/configured where?
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| 11:53 | <ogra> in one of the two ltsp-client initscripts
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| 11:53 | i dont remeber which one
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| 11:53 | <pmatulis> no, i mean how can a connection have it and another one not?
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| 11:54 | <ogra> i think if you use it initially in initramfs it breaks when switching to the real root so you have to initiate the setting through a reconnect, stgraber can elaborate better on that one, i'm sure
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| 11:56 | <pmatulis> ogra: thanks
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| 12:23 | <stgraber> pmatulis_: what ogra said is perfectly correct, you can't initialize -persist from the initrd
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| 12:23 | well, you can but it'd have no effect at all
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> stgraber: any work into getting that fixed?
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| 12:29 | the reconnecting thing has always seemed a bit of a hack...
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| 12:30 | <stgraber> not much I can do actually, that'd need changes in the kernel module and the nbd-client, don't really have the time for that kind of work though it'd indeed be appreciated
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 12:31 | stgraber: i'll try to reproduce it and file a bug in the debian bts ... the debian maintainer for nbd is pretty responsive.
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| 13:22 | <devilbues> hi can anybody tell me how do I use local devices with rdesktop on ltsp5?
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| 13:22 | <erieslabnx> I hope you all have a great weekend!
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| 13:22 | I am off to home
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> Afternoon all. Connection here is very spotty, I might not be able to hang long.
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| 13:54 | <pmatulis_> where can i learn more about how sound is managed in ltsp5?
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| 13:54 | <ogra_> excuses excuses
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| 13:54 | pmatulis_, i fear only by looking at the code
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| 13:55 | <pmatulis_> ogra_: is it a very special arrangement or mostly generic stuff?
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> The manual has some info.
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| 13:55 | <Lns> sbalneav, it's ok. I didn't want to talk to you anyway. =p~
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> pmatulis_: What do you want to know?
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| 13:55 | <ogra_> pmatulis_, pulse runs on the client on top of alsa, ldm exports PULSE_SERVER pointing to the client on session startup
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| 13:56 | thats basically the setup
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| 13:56 | <pmatulis_> ogra_: ok then
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| 13:56 | <ogra_> the pulse confic on the client is special, look it up in one of the ltsp-client initscripts in the chroot
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| 13:56 | i think its -setup
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| 13:58 | * pmatulis_ notices that he cannot adjust the volume on his client | |
| 14:00 | <pmatulis_> ogra_: thanks
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| 14:06 | <Lns> Anyone using Gnome's Assistive technologies w/ltsp?
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| 14:07 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: how goes it?
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| 15:20 | <Tony_Touch> does anyone have any experience connecting an ipod to a ltsp5 client?
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| 16:48 | <sbalneav> Wow.
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| 16:48 | LTSP manual's up to 92 pages.
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| 17:25 | * Lns wonders if getting up to 100 would warrant a hardback edition =) | |
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| 17:29 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 17:29 | off for a nap before the google party
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| 23:44 | <try2free> hi
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| 23:45 | can someone help, some of my workstation with sound card onboard can hear music some can. what's wrong with my setting?
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