IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 23 March 2013 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <Enslaver> booted up and logged in, lemme try it with SERVER=server
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| 00:03 | <vagrantc> SERVER=server ends up with a bunk entry in /etc/hosts
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| 00:05 | <Enslaver> how do we fix that?
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| 00:05 | * vagrantc tries with SERVER commented out | |
| 00:06 | <Enslaver> probably something in 04-server
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| 00:06 | in init-ltsp.d
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| 00:08 | <vagrantc> seems to pick the right ip address when unspecified
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| 00:08 | <Enslaver> the server is read from the kernel command line
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| 00:08 | ah ok, thats good, so its just not checking for the word 'server' and doing a subsitution
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| 00:09 | not like that's needed really
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| 00:09 | <vagrantc> it assumes the server is the root server, unless otherwise specified
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| 00:10 | <Enslaver> can you login to ldm?
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| 00:15 | <vagrantc> finally worked around it ...
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| 00:15 | at first i was getting an xterm and then it would crash ...
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| 00:16 | so i symlinked ~/.xsession to /usr/bin/icewm-session (the window manager i installed)
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| 00:16 | and now it seems to work
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| 00:18 | <Enslaver> ah yah since you installed minimal i bet it didn't find the default WM
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| 00:18 | <ogra_> wow, still with ice as your preferred one ?
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| 00:18 | <vagrantc> ogra_: no, it was just a lightweight one i assumed would be there :)
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| 00:18 | <ogra_> heh
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| 00:18 | <vagrantc> ogra_: i typically use lxde these days ...
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| 00:18 | <ogra_> ah
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| 00:18 | i'm on openbox atm ...
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| 00:19 | <vagrantc> the one thing i really don't like about lxde is the lack of useful default keybindings
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| 00:19 | <ogra_> due to the fact that chromium misbehaves here with compositing managers
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| 00:19 | <vagrantc> eesh.
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| 00:19 | <ogra_> well, not chromium, but flash ...
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| 00:19 | <vagrantc> progress!
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| 00:19 | <ogra_> heh
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| 00:20 | i'm stealing all the plugins from chromeos :)
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| 00:20 | works fine apart from that compositor thing
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| 00:20 | <Enslaver> so should i go ahead and check for iptables in the spec and then throw in a extra rule?
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| 00:20 | <ogra_> ++
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| 00:21 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: i guess...
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| 00:21 | <Enslaver> That's definatley gonna trip people up
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| 00:21 | <ogra_> do you disable selinux too as a default ?
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| 00:21 | * vagrantc wonders if selinux is breaking ldminfod | |
| 00:22 | <Enslaver> selinux should be disabled on the client
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| 00:22 | <ogra_> it breaks the world :)
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| 00:22 | <vagrantc> ldminfod runs on the server
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| 00:22 | runs fine from the commandline, but not apparently from xinetd
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| 00:23 | ah, it's got disable = yes
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| 00:24 | that works better!
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| 00:25 | <Enslaver> that's probably why no session
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| 00:25 | <vagrantc> right
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| 00:26 | <Enslaver> ok just updated that
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| 00:26 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: so, regarding the: getent passwd mockbuild
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| 00:26 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: there's no way it will work if the user isn't present
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| 00:26 | Enslaver: it needs || something
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| 00:26 | or: if getent .. ; then
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| 00:26 | <Enslaver> in the plugin or inside mock?
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| 00:27 | because i don't run the userdel from the plugin, mock for whatever reason is doing it
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| 00:27 | <vagrantc> in the 000-mock-chroot plugin
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| 00:27 | in the /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/RHEL/009-mock-chroot plugin, to be precise :)
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| 00:27 | <Enslaver> yah thats been updated
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| 00:30 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: in ltsp-trunk?
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| 00:31 | <Enslaver> in my trunk, haven't pushed it yet
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| 00:35 | <vagrantc> got it.
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| 00:37 | Enslaver: well, there's some feedback for ya :)
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| 00:38 | i don't know when the chroot-setup.d stuff runs, but it seems like most of that should be run from init-ltsp.d
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| 00:38 | <Enslaver> woot, ty =)
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| 00:38 | i'm phasing that into init.d, that was ported from warren's code, before there was init-ltsp.d
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| 00:39 | not really much left to go, just gonna look it over once more
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| 00:39 | <vagrantc> the session selection seems broken ... even with ldminfod working, it still briefly brings up an xterm and then logs out/crashes
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| 00:39 | <Enslaver> ldminfod shows all the ones though?
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| 00:39 | <vagrantc> only way i was able to get a successful session was to symlink the user's ~/.xsession to something
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| 00:39 | <Enslaver> Did you install the one you tried?
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| 00:40 | <vagrantc> or, the default session seems broken
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| 00:41 | if you don't specify a session, it fails.
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| 00:42 | it fortunately saves the selected session in ~/.dmrc
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| 00:43 | and works on subsequent logins without having to specify it
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| 00:43 | sbalneav: libpam-sshauth 0.3-1 should be in unstable soonish
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| 00:43 | sbalneav: er, debian experimental
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| 00:43 | sbalneav: already built for several architectures
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| 11:55 | <lord4163> Hello
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| 11:59 | Could someone tell me how to boot to LTSP on a wireless laptop? :)
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| 12:00 | <ogra_> by implementing PXE in the WLAN protocols ... talk to WLAN chip manufaturers ...
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| 12:01 | (read: it isnt possible ...)
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| 12:03 | <lord4163> orgra_: Yeah well maybe PXE won't work, but maybe I can install some kind of distro on the laptop to boot from there?
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| 12:04 | <ogra_> sure, you can do any kind of local installs ...
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| 12:04 | <lord4163> ogra_: How? :)
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| 12:04 | <ogra_> that wouldnt really be ltsp :)
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| 12:05 | by picking a distro and install it ?
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| 12:05 | <lord4163> Yeah but how to connect to the server ?
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| 12:06 | <ogra_> with some kind of remote client
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| 12:07 | LTSp is about rempte booting a diskless machine and connect to a server at login time ... find a distro that offers the latter for local installs ... (and make sure your server supports the protocol you use)
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| 12:07 | s/rempte/remote/
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| 12:16 | <lord4163> ogra_: I don't care we need a solution to boot our laptops
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| 12:40 | <elias_a> lord4163: There have been some proof of concept solutions on booting over wlan...
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| 12:40 | But they are not usable.
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| 12:41 | <lord4163> Thought my school used something called Novell on there laptops and that booted from PXE?
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| 12:41 | <elias_a> You definately need a lot of bandwith when booting multiple machines. WLAN is not enough.
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| 12:45 | <lord4163> So LTSP isn't what I'm looking for?
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| 12:51 | <ogra_> as i said above
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| 12:51 | just install a distro like ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, fedora, SuSE ...
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| 13:06 | <lord4163> Yeah but how do i connect?
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| 13:11 | <ogra_> vnc, rdp, Xforwarding ... there are plenty solutions
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| 13:12 | (even proprietary ones for linux like citrix)
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| 17:56 | <laurense> somebody know how to fix the 'kernel requires features not present op cpu: pae" error?
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| 17:57 | to me it sounds like i ned some other kenrel in my i386 img
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| 17:57 | but not sure on which steps to take
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> laurense: what distro?
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| 18:14 | newer distros may not be possible to use without pae
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| 18:14 | <laurense> hmm
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| 18:14 | edubuntu 12.04
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> installing the -generic kernel should work, i think
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| 18:16 | laurense: sudo ltsp-chroot dpkg -l 'linux-image-*'
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| 18:19 | <laurense> alright
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| 18:22 | do i need to do anything after that
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> that just shows what's installed in the chroot ...
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| 18:24 | what you probably need to do is: sudo ltsp-chroot -m apt-get install linux-image-generic ; sudo ltsp-update-kernels ; sudo ltsp-update-image ; sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 18:25 | i threw in a few ltsp-update-kernels for good measure ...
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| 18:26 | laurense: but that presumes you have linux-image-generic-pae installed and don't have linux-image-generic installed
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| 18:27 | laurense: you might also have to: sudo ltsp-chroot -m apt-get --purge autoremove linux-image-generic-pae
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| 18:27 | good luck ... hopefully others can help you with the rest.
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| 18:27 | <laurense> sudo ltsp-chroot chroots me in the ltsp client linux environment?
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| 18:28 | then i have an idea what i am doing
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| 18:29 | and i think i can get somewhere from there
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| 18:32 | hmm
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| 18:32 | after the chroot i get an unable to resovle archive.ubuntu.com
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| 18:33 | what doesn't help is that my server is amd64
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| 18:34 | and all chroot and all update image and chroot image default to amd64, so i need to define i386 with each thing i do
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> ah, newer versions are smart enough to just pick the only image present...
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| 18:35 | good luck...
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| 18:35 | <laurense> if i can somehow get networking to work in the chrooted environment i would be where i want to be
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| 18:36 | probably installing a i386 server instead of amd64
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| 18:37 | hmm
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| 18:37 | i als could install a small linux install on the thin client and switching to xforwarding after login
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| 18:38 | well first looking into getting pxe boot to work
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| 19:01 | <laurense> got it
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| 19:01 | ubuntu boot screen on thin client
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| 19:01 | hope it wil boot into a desktop
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| 20:27 | <Enslaver> ugh, i have this regexp thats driving me nuts
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| 20:28 | im trying to change the line in a file: config_opts['root'] = 'epel-6-i386' to read config_opts['root'] = 'i386' the problem is that epel-6-i386 is a variable
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| 21:07 | <Hyperbyte> ([a-z]+)\-([0-9]+)\-(.*) ?
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| 21:07 | Something like that.
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| 21:07 | Few less ()'s
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| 21:07 | :P
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| 21:07 | <lee> go download a regexbuddy trial
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| 21:07 | <Hyperbyte> Regexps are truely very useful and very horrifying.
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| 21:08 | <lee> and then go buy it when it saves you going bald from tearing your hair out
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| 21:38 | <Enslaver> regexbuddy?
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| 21:39 | that yumable?
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| 21:40 | <vagrantc> sed -i -e "s,$SOME_VAR,$YOUR_NEW_VAR,g" ?
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| 21:40 | sed -i -e "s,$SOME_VAR,$YOUR_NEW_VAR,g" path/to/file ?
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| 21:40 | or only that line?
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| 21:41 | <Enslaver> the first 'root' isnt a variable
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| 21:42 | so its hard to match for it
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| 21:42 | how do i say change on the first occourance?
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| 21:42 | only*
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| 21:44 | <lee> no but it's googleable
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| 21:44 | <Enslaver> n/m it worked
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| 21:44 | lee: yeah i found it, windows/wine only
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| 21:47 | <lee> huh
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| 21:47 | I would have sworn it was win/mac/linux
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| 21:47 | wonder what I'm thinking of
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| 21:49 | <Enslaver> linux and mac using wine :(
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| 21:53 | <lee> it's actually worth runnign wine for
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| 21:53 | assuming you a) aren't intimately familiar with regular expressions, b) don't want to be and c) just want to get shit done =)
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| 21:55 | <vagrantc> installing wine seems to miss point c pretty badly.
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| 21:57 | <lee> or boot to windows, whichever
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| 21:57 | or run it in a vm
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| 21:58 | <Hyperbyte> :(
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| 21:58 | The W-word. :(
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