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Channel log from 1 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:20 | <daya> I have the follwing error in clinet system,
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| 00:20 | TFTP Prefix: /ltsp/i386
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| 00:20 | Trying to load:pxelinux.cfg/01-00-13.................
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| 00:20 | in ltsp 5.0, any solution,
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| 02:03 | <ringlej> I'm trying to get LTSP working on Ubuntu fiesty. However when a client connects I get as far as the splash screen showing, but then after 20-30 seconds, I go back to a text mode screen with no further output.
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| 02:14 | <_ringlej> I'm trying to get LTSP working on Ubuntu fiesty. However when a client connects I get as far as the splash screen showing, but then after 20-30 seconds, I go back to a text mode screen with no further output.
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| 02:24 | <daya> how to run tftp , tftpd-hpa either thru inetd or daemno
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| 02:26 | <vagrantc> daya: on debian?
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| 02:26 | daya: i have never had to do anything other than install the package.
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| 02:26 | <daya> vagrantc, hi,
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| 02:27 | vagrantc, I have gone thru it from yesterday , still facing problem
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| 02:28 | root@nepalinux:etc# ps aux | grep tftp
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| 02:28 | root 8042 0.0 0.2 2176 776 pts/2 S+ 13:11 0:00 grep tftp
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| 02:28 | root@nepalinux:etc# dpkg -l | grep tftp
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| 02:28 | ii tftpd-hpa 0.43-1.1 HPA's tftp server
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| 02:28 | root@nepalinux:etc#
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| 02:29 | <vagrantc> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 02:29 | ps aux | egrep ined
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| 02:29 | er
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| 02:29 | ps aux | egrep inetd
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| 02:31 | <_ringlej> sudo netstat -anlp|grep udp|grep 69
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| 02:34 | <daya> root@nepalinux:~# grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 02:34 | tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 02:34 | root@nepalinux:~#
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| 02:35 | <vagrantc> daya: try the netstat above
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| 02:35 | <daya> oh,
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| 02:36 | root@nepalinux:~# netstat -anlp|grep udp|grep 69
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| 02:36 | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 2340/inetd
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| 02:37 | <vagrantc> daya: grep filename /etc/*/dhcpd.conf
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| 02:37 | <_ringlej> Looks like tftp server is running with the root for tftp at /var/lib/tftpboot/
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| 02:37 | <vagrantc> which is how it's supposed to be run on debian.
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| 02:39 | <daya> root@nepalinux:~# grep filename /etc/*/dhcpd.conf
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| 02:39 | filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 02:39 | filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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| 02:39 | <vagrantc> looks good
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| 02:39 | daya: ok ... so what's your error?
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| 02:40 | <_ringlej> daya: ls /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 02:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: heya.
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| 02:44 | <daya> root@nepalinux:~# ls /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 02:44 | System.map-2.6.18-4-486 initrd.img nbi.img pxelinux.0 vmlinuz
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| 02:44 | config-2.6.18-4-486 initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 nbi.img-2.6.18-4-486 pxelinux.cfg vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-486
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| 02:44 | my error is I can't get tftp in ps aux , and the clinet just hangs saying, Trying to load:pxelinux.cfg/coa890..
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| 02:44 | so I think it is the error of the tftp
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| 02:45 | <vagrantc> daya: what is your PXE version ?
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| 02:45 | daya: is this an older computer?
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| 02:45 | <vagrantc> daya: or older network card?
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| 02:45 | <daya> no, my computer is new,
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| 02:45 | vagrantc, It is enabled with network boot,
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| 02:46 | <vagrantc> well, if it's trying to load the pxelinux.cfg, that much is clear :P
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| 02:46 | daya: grep tftp /var/log/syslog
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| 02:47 | daya: if it's really long, paste it to the pastebot
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| 02:47 | !pastebot
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| 02:47 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 02:47 | <daya> :) ok
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| 02:48 | <ltsppbot> "daya" pasted "root@nepalinux:~# grep tftp /v" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/154
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| 02:49 | <daya> vagrantc, I am really confused whether to run tftp through inetd or daemon,
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| 02:49 | <vagrantc> daya: and we'll keep telling you to run it through inetd
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| 02:49 | <daya> :D , ok :)
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| 02:50 | <vagrantc> unless you have thousands of clients booting simultaneously, there's not much reason to run it as standalone
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| 02:51 | i don't recall seeing those "tftp: client does not accept options" errors before.
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| 02:51 | hrm.
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| 02:52 | <daya> do I again remove tftpd-hpa and install it again,
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| 02:52 | ?
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| 02:53 | <vagrantc> well, seeing as you have it configured exactly the same way i do, i don't see what that would help
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| 02:53 | daya: what inetd are you using?
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| 02:53 | dpkg -l '*inetd*'
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| 02:54 | <daya> root@nepalinux:~# dpkg -l | grep inetd
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| 02:54 | rc netkit-inetd 0.10-10.3 The Internet Superserver
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| 02:54 | ii openbsd-inetd 0.20050402-6 The OpenBSD Internet Superserver
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| 02:54 | ii update-inetd 4.27-0.5 inetd.conf updater
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| 02:55 | <vagrantc> looks real familiar
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| 02:56 | daya: do you have another thin client to test?
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| 02:56 | <daya> vagrantc, can'
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| 02:56 | 't i use the same by restaring, or do i need extra,
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| 02:57 | <vagrantc> daya: a different piece of hardware
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| 02:57 | <daya> oh, I have another well supporting pxeboot, do i need to test on it,
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| 02:57 | <vagrantc> daya: because the configuration seems fine.
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| 02:57 | <daya> oh, no different hardware, they have same archi,
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| 02:57 | <vagrantc> daya: so i start to suspect hardware.
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| 02:58 | <daya> vagrantc, if my tftp is running , can't I see in ps aux , or it is automatically started by inetd. :D
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| 02:58 | <vagrantc> daya: it gets started by inetd when a connection is made
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| 02:59 | <daya> vagrantc, but earlier some others guys have solved this problem by running tftp in daemon mode,
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| 02:59 | <vagrantc> well then, try it in daemon mode.
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| 02:59 | <daya> vagrantc, and i got the error, nfs over tcp failed,
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| 02:59 | <vagrantc> daya: or try atftpd
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| 02:59 | <daya> vagrantc, do i have to remove tftpd-hpa ,before using atftpd
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| 03:00 | <vagrantc> daya: installing atftpd will remove tftpd-hpa
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| 03:00 | <daya> in daemon mode also this is not working,
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| 03:00 | ok
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| 03:00 | <vagrantc> try atftpd
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| 03:01 | <daya> do i have to run it also as inetd
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| 03:01 | <vagrantc> you can run it however you want. but i've never needed to run tftpds in daemon mode
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| 03:02 | <daya> what base directory should i give,
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| 03:02 | <vagrantc> /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 03:02 | <daya> ok
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| 03:03 | <vagrantc> everything else should be defaults
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| 03:03 | <daya> vagrantc, should I now check in client, with a big hope,
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| 03:03 | <vagrantc> go for it :)
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| 03:07 | <daya> no it doesn'
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| 03:07 | t work
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| 03:07 | same error,
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| 03:08 | <vagrantc> try atftpd in daemon mode ...
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| 03:12 | <daya> do i have to just make false in "USE_INETD"
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| 03:13 | <vagrantc> dpkg-reconfigure atftpd
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| 03:13 | use the default answer for everything except the one question about weather to run from inetd
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| 03:14 | <daya> ok
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| 03:15 | vagrantc, now should it show in ps aux or, not when i run it as daemon,
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| 03:16 | I an
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| 03:16 | can't get in ps aux
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| 03:16 | <vagrantc> if it's running in daemon mode, it should show in "ps aux" output, yes.
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| 03:16 | if no
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| 03:16 | try: invoke-rc.d atftpd restart
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| 03:20 | <daya> yes, now it show in ps aux but previous error, Trying to load:pxelinux.cfg appear again,
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| 03:20 | <vagrantc> daya: do you have a firewall running on your system?
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| 03:21 | <daya> no,
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| 03:21 | <vagrantc> daya: iptables -Ln
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| 03:22 | <daya> vagrantc, it shows nothing,
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| 03:23 | * vagrantc finds that extremely hard to believe | |
| 03:23 | <vagrantc> daya: you mean it outputs absolutely nothing?
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| 03:24 | <daya> vagrantc, actually it is our own system, based on debian, so iptabled module is not enabled in kernal
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| 03:24 | FATAL: Module ip_tables not found
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| 03:24 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 03:25 | daya: do you use a custom kernel ?
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| 03:25 | <daya> yes, some what modified,
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| 03:25 | does it affect in ltsp,
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| 03:25 | ltsp uses its own, isn't it?
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| 03:25 | <vagrantc> maybe.
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| 03:25 | no, but it could affect what networking protocols are available on your server...
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| 03:26 | but you're saying it "used to work" ?
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| 03:26 | what changed since then?
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| 03:26 | hmmm... you're actually getting as far as loading pxelinux.0 ..... it's just hanging on loading pxelinux.cfg/.... right?
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| 03:27 | <daya> vagrantc, yes,
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| 03:28 | <vagrantc> ok, so tftp is actually working, then.
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| 03:28 | <daya> vagrantc, but we previously have gone beyonnd that,
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| 03:28 | <vagrantc> this is most perplexing
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| 03:29 | <daya> yes, this time tftp is running, show in ps aux
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| 03:30 | <vagrantc> yes, well, that it's even getting to the point where it's trying to load pxelinux.cfg/... is demonstrating that tftp was working fine the whole time.
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| 03:31 | <daya> then, where is the error point,
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| 03:31 | :D
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| 03:32 | <vagrantc> i'd wager to blame your hardware.
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| 03:33 | or an incompatibility with syslinux/pxelinux and your hardware
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| 03:33 | <daya> no, previous version of ltsp was supported by this hardware
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| 03:33 | <vagrantc> just because a previous version works doesn't mean a newer version works.
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| 03:34 | <daya> ok
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| 03:34 | <vagrantc> try the pxelinux from your previous version
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| 03:35 | there's nothing LTSP-specific about your problem yet, mind you.
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| 03:35 | <daya> ok
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| 03:36 | <vagrantc> so far ... you've made a DHCP request, downloaded pxelinux over TFTP, and then pxelinux fails to download it's configuration file(s)
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| 03:41 | <daya> vagrantc, now i met to the yesterday's error
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| 03:41 | <vagrantc> what did you change?
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| 03:41 | <daya> vagrantc, I put next-server 192.168.2.9;
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| 03:42 | in dhcpd.conf file, 2.9 is ip of ltsp server,
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| 03:42 | <vagrantc> your dhcp server is on a different machine than your tftp/nfs server ?
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| 03:42 | <new2linux> Hello all, I am having some trouble getting LTSP 6 Running. Would there be anyone that could give me some advice ? It went through the GUI installer when it reboots it comes up with a GRUB> Console screen and stops there. Any help would be much appreciate.
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| 03:42 | <daya> no,
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| 03:43 | <vagrantc> oh, right. yes. next-server is needed.
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| 03:43 | so now we're back to where we were....
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| 03:43 | new2linux: your problem must be you're running sofware from the future. LTSP 5 is just released :P
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| 03:44 | <daya> vagrantc, is there is any solution for the problem :"NFS over TCP failed"
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| 03:44 | <new2linux> Oh ok, I downloading all 7 cds last night.
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| 03:44 | <vagrantc> new2linux: do you mean K12LTSP ?
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| 03:45 | <new2linux> Yes sorry that is what i mean
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| 03:47 | In that case i think i may be in the wrong channel.
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| 03:51 | <new2linux> Is there anywhere that you could advise me to get some help from? thanks
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| 03:54 | <_ringlej> I finally was able to get ltsp to come up all the way to a login screen. (I had to put "ip=<client-ip>:<server-ip> nfsroot=/opt/ltsp/i386" in lts.conf), but now I can't login.
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| 03:54 | <ogra> ergh, vagrantc why dont i have a default lts.conf anymore in a fresh install
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| 03:55 | uuh, and why does my dhcpd.conf have next-server in it ?
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| 03:56 | <ogra> vagrantc, did anything in the plugin handling change ? seems a bunch od the Ubuntu plugins isnt executed
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| 03:57 | <_ringlej> How are users added in ltsp? Do I have to chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 to do this?
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| 03:58 | <vagrantc> ogra: nothing to my knowledge
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| 03:58 | <ogra> hmm, weird
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| 03:59 | <vagrantc> run manually with --debug ?
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| 03:59 | <ogra> there is nothing special in them ...
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| 04:00 | <vagrantc> ogra: we need next-server due to dhcp3-server more strictly complying with RFC's, unless y'all patched dhcp3-server
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| 04:00 | <ogra> ah, right, i have to rebuild anyway, usplash is fixed
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| 04:01 | vagrantc, we did, since that strictness was a feature introduced without a bigger version jump, it breaks on many setups that use old configs witout warning
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| 04:02 | (ubuntu technical board decision back in breezy)
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| 04:02 | <vagrantc> ogra: ok.
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| 04:02 | ogra: ah, well, we'll need next-server for debian ...
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| 04:02 | <ogra> right
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| 04:03 | <vagrantc> it shouldn't break anything... though annoying to have to edit one more value in the file if your network is different.
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| 04:03 | <ogra> can your controlgen create .install files ?
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| 04:03 | or modify
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| 04:03 | <_ringlej> I thought my question was pretty basic "How are users added in ltsp?". If this isn't an easy question to answer, then I must be doing something teribly wrong...
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| 04:03 | <vagrantc> ogra: no, it just handles control ... controlgen -> control generation
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| 04:04 | <ogra> ah well
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| 04:04 | <daya> _ringlej, just useradd, normal process should work
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| 04:05 | <ogra> _ringlej, the pretty basic answer is there are no users "in ltsp"
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| 04:05 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: your question should be more "How do i add user in your distro"
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| 04:05 | <ogra> you have only users on the server, maintain them there as normal local users
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| 04:06 | <_ringlej> so, why would ltsp client login reject my trying to login using a normal user I had created on the server?
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| 04:06 | <ogra> _ringlej, which ltsp version ?
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| 04:07 | on what distro ?
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| 04:07 | <_ringlej> ltsp-5 from Ubuntu fiesty
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| 04:07 | <ogra> run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys and try again
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| 04:08 | <vagrantc> ogra: we've been seeing this problem a lot lately.
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| 04:08 | <ogra> strange, isnt it ?
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| 04:08 | <vagrantc> it certainly doesn't make me happy.
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| 04:08 | <ogra> people change their IP data like mad :P
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| 04:08 | <_ringlej> didn't help
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| 04:08 | <vagrantc> ogra: but shoudn't the hooks to ifupdown take care of that ?
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| 04:09 | <ogra> _ringlej, then check ~/.xsession-errors of the user you tried to log in with
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| 04:09 | vagrantc, well, they should, the thing is that there is network manager :P it doesnt care about much of the stuff in /etc
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| 04:09 | <vagrantc> ogra: so ... http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/serveredition suggests that LTSP is included in ubuntu server ... which seems a bit misleading
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| 04:10 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, it will be
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| 04:10 | and you have the opportunity to run ltsp-client-builder from the CD
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| 04:10 | in expert mode
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| 04:10 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, then the download link shouldn't point somewhere where it isn't ...
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| 04:10 | <ltsppbot> "_ringlej" pasted "ringlej@crossdevserver:~$ cat" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/155
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| 04:11 | <ogra> i'll tell the marketing guys
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| 04:11 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah, i've heard a couple complaints about that in the channel ... though maybe both from the same person.
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| 04:11 | <ogra> _ringlej, did you install ltsp on an ubuntu server install ?
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| 04:11 | <_ringlej> yes: sudo ltsp-server
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| 04:12 | <ogra> vagrantc, yes, he's in #edubuntu as well :)
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| 04:12 | <vagrantc> ogra: heh.
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| 04:12 | <_ringlej> err i mean sudo apt-get install ltsp-server
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| 04:12 | <ogra> _ringlej, ltsp needs a desktop to log in to
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| 04:12 | <vagrantc> ogra: and the current issue seems to be a problem
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| 04:12 | ogra: possibly :)
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| 04:13 | <ogra> _ringlej, a) you should have followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall , b) run: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
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| 04:13 | <vagrantc> ogra: maybe the installing ubuntu-desktop should be added to the quickinstall page ?
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| 04:13 | <ogra> vagrantc, nope
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| 04:13 | <_ringlej> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop is missing
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| 04:13 | <ogra> but i can make a subpage
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| 04:14 | <_ringlej> from LTSPQuickInstall
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| 04:14 | <ogra> nope
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| 04:14 | the quickinstall guide is for a normal ubuntu install
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| 04:14 | <vagrantc> whatever :P
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| 04:14 | <ogra> i'll add a subpage with a hint
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| 04:15 | * ogra wants to avoid that the quickinstall page goes the way of the thin client howto | |
| 04:15 | <vagrantc> ogra: ok, but put a hint at the very top of quickinstall pointing to that hint ... i.e. (if[ installing from ubuntu-server])
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| 04:15 | <_ringlej> It seems though that a desktop is required in order to have a working ltsp then it should be part of the install instructions.
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| 04:16 | <vagrantc> (or even package dependencies)
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| 04:16 | <vagrantc> ogra: would it be so bad to add ubuntu-desktop | foo-desktop to the ltsp-server-standalone dependencies ?
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| 04:17 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, i coudlnt add stuff like icewm to that
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| 04:17 | <vagrantc> ogra: and with controlgen, no worries :P
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| 04:17 | ogra: i'll handle it sanely debian-side ...
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| 04:17 | <ogra> but i cant :P
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| 04:18 | <_ringlej> The other problem that I had earlier is that I would hang on the line IP-Config:. and I got around this by putting static ip address on the kernel parameter ip=<client-ip>:<server-ip>. I don't know why I couldn't get a dhcp address at this point.
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| 04:18 | <vagrantc> ogra: or are you saying you want to be able to install icewm ?
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| 04:19 | ogra: i think ubuntu-desktop | *-desktop | x-window-manager would be sufficient, then.
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| 04:19 | <ogra> _ringlej, do you run a second dhcp server in your network ?
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| 04:19 | <_ringlej> Yes.
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| 04:19 | <ogra> _ringlej, that doesnt work
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| 04:19 | <vagrantc> bam.
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| 04:19 | <_ringlej> I have dhcp server uninstall on the ltsp sever
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| 04:19 | ok.
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| 04:19 | <vagrantc> ogra: we really need to start making checklists for some of these common problems.
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| 04:19 | <ogra> ah, ok
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| 04:20 | then you need to configure the other dhcp server for netbooting
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| 04:20 | <_ringlej> I did.
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| 04:20 | <vagrantc> ogra: while i'm pretty familiar with troubleshooting them now, once in a while i forget some important step.
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| 04:20 | <_ringlej> I gets by the PXE stuff ok.
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| 04:20 | <ogra> so that iut tells the clients where to get kernel and root directory
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| 04:21 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: yes, but then a second DHCP request is made, and your DHCP servers need to pass root-path and next-server there too.
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| 04:21 | <_ringlej> Hmm. My other dhcp server is dnsmasq...
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| 04:21 | Oh. ok.
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| 04:21 | <vagrantc> (maybe not next-server)
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| 04:21 | * vagrantc likes dnsmasq | |
| 04:26 | * vagrantc ponders the recent report to http://bugs.debian.org/395145 | |
| 04:30 | <ogra> hrm, the RC cleanup plugin wasnt run either
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| 04:30 | whats wrong here ... grr
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| 04:30 | <vagrantc> ogra: you've got the lsb_release stuff in there ?
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| 04:30 | ogra: maybe somehow it's not working ?
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| 04:30 | <ogra> dunno, i didnt change anythion and the diff between the branches didnt indicate weird changes
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| 04:31 | <vagrantc> ogra: did you run manually with --debug ?
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| 04:31 | _ringlej: you're probably going to save yourself a lot of headache by only running one dhcp server.
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| 04:32 | <ogra> vagrantc, not yet
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| 04:35 | <_ringlej> vagrantc: I am running only one dhcp server. It's just not running on the ltsp server.
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| 04:36 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: if it's dnsmasq, take a look at: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd-dnsmasq
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| 04:39 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: although i don't know wha the dhcp-option number is for next-server, which you'd need.
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| 04:40 | <wf_c0d3r> i do have a problem in implementing ltsp
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| 04:41 | <wf_c0d3r> when i boot the workstation it cannot pass through the tftp server
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| 04:42 | * vagrantc is weary of tftp problems today | |
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| 05:02 | <daya> vagrantc, that problem is solved, my kernel was the issue,
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| 05:03 | vagrantc, I installed debian kernel the problem is solved , but now another arises,
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| 05:03 | It doesn't detect the keyboard,
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| 05:03 | presenting to the loing screen
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| 05:04 | <ogra> do you mean the layout is wrong, or there is no resoponse at all
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| 05:05 | <daya> no I finally presented to login menu, but in the middle of the scroll messages it says in warning some file is missing
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| 05:05 | <ogra> so in the login window, can you type ?
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| 05:06 | <daya> no,
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| 05:06 | <Lambda]> hi everybody
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| 05:07 | anyone know if http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/productsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=6&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=16 is PXE bootable
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| 05:07 | <daya> ogra, it says that configruation is wrong,
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| 05:07 | <Lambda]> Reatltek 8139
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| 05:07 | <ogra> the login window says the configuration is wrong ???
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| 05:08 | <daya> ogra, no in an error prompt,
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| 05:08 | <vagrantc> daya: please be specific, and type exactly what it says if at all possible.
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| 05:08 | <daya> in the login window
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| 05:08 | <ogra> Lambda], mine in my laptop is
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| 05:09 | <Lambda]> great
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| 05:10 | ogra, with no eprom flash ?
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| 05:11 | <ogra> Lambda], i didnt disassemble my laptop yet, no idea :)
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| 05:11 | <ogra> ogra@laptop:~/devel$ lspci|grep Realtek
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| 05:11 | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
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| 05:12 | <Lambda]> same as me
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| 05:12 | <ogra> thats all i can give you ... and the info that it netboots fine for me with PXE
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| 05:12 | <Lambda]> nice recommandation
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| 05:15 | <daya> vagrantc, configuration is incorrect, configuration file contains invalid command line for the login dialog,
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| 05:15 | but I can use my mouse,
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| 05:16 | * ogra wonders what could write that message ... thats surely not ldm | |
| 05:17 | <daya> ogra, do I need to install ldm
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| 05:17 | <vagrantc> daya: ok, in the server, dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ldm
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| 05:17 | <daya> ogra, but i have already insalled ltsp-server,
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| 05:18 | <ltsppbot> "daya" pasted "root@nepalinux:~# dpkg --root=" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/156
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| 05:19 | <vagrantc> daya: grep SCREEN /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 05:21 | <daya> SCREEN_01 = startx
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| 05:21 | <ogra> aha
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| 05:21 | so its not ldm then
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| 05:22 | check your gdm.conf on the server i'd say
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| 05:22 | <daya> ogra, that means I doon
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| 05:22 | <ogra> did you edit that maually instead of using gdmsetup ?
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| 05:22 | <daya> no
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| 05:31 | <ltsppbot> "daya" pasted "lts.conf file" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/157
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| 05:32 | <daya> vagrantc, do i need to add some section in configruation file lts.conf,
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| 05:33 | <ogra> drop the SCREEN line and reboot the client, see if it works ten
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| 05:33 | *then
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| 05:33 | <vagrantc> daya: i'd just remove everything.
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| 05:33 | <ogra> but surely something with your gdm setup on the server is wrong
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| 05:34 | <vagrantc> daya: remove the file entirely. there's nothing in there that shouldn't be automatically detected.
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| 05:34 | ah.
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| 05:34 | SCREEN_01 through SCREEN_06 should not be used on debian
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| 05:34 | use SCREEN_07
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| 05:35 | <ogra> oh ?
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| 05:35 | why is that ?
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| 05:35 | <vagrantc> because init spawns gettys
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| 05:35 | * ogra can use 01-07 just fine | |
| 05:35 | <ogra> but then ubuntu uses upstart
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| 05:36 | * vagrantc suspects SCREEN_01 is off limits, from looking at ubuntu's scripts | |
| 05:36 | <daya> do i need to change it to 7
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| 05:36 | <ogra> and only has one tty
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| 05:36 | daya, for now just remove the file and boot a client
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| 05:36 | <daya> ogra,ok
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| 05:37 | <vagrantc> ogra: in 010-cleanup-consoles it only does: rm $ROOT/etc/event.d/tty[2-6]
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| 05:37 | i suspect SCREEN_01 will still break things
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| 05:37 | <ogra> nope
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| 05:37 | 01 isnt needed after boot anymore
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| 05:38 | <vagrantc> ah, ok.
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| 05:38 | <ogra> its only needed for /dev/console during boot
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| 05:38 | else upstart is unhappy
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| 05:38 | <daya> thanx ogra
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| 05:38 | ogra: its success
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| 05:38 | <ogra> :)
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| 05:38 | <daya> ogra: thanx
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| 05:39 | <test_> vagrantc, ogra it worked!
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| 05:39 | test_, this is daya as test
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| 05:40 | <vagrantc> we are in the horrible position of there being lots of incompatible 4.2 documentation out there that gets people into all sorts of trouble.
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| 05:40 | <test_> vagrantc, ogra this is daya as test from thin client :)
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| 05:40 | <vagrantc> test_: i guessed as much :P
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| 05:40 | * ogra waves to test_ | |
| 05:40 | <ogra> vagrantc, well ... what do we do about that ?
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| 05:41 | <vagrantc> ogra: we can add compatibility layers ... we can improve our documentation ... we could take down wiki.ltsp.org :)
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| 05:41 | <ogra> ugh
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| 05:41 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 05:42 | <ogra> how do i get hanging aoround XDMCP sessions to die ?
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| 05:42 | <test_> vagrantc, ogra a good documentation would be great!
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| 05:42 | <vagrantc> ogra: kill the display manager ?
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| 05:42 | <ogra> ogra@laptop:~$ sudo netstat -anp |grep X11|wc -l
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| 05:42 | 33
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| 05:42 | grmbl
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| 05:43 | it refuses new connections
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| 05:43 | i wonder why it leaves them open first place
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| 05:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: is this really XDMCP, or the LDM_DIRECTX stuff ?
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| 05:43 | <dan__t> *yawn*
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| 05:43 | what
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| 05:43 | <ogra> vagrantc, killing gdm is no option
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| 05:43 | <dan__t> er, what's up kids.
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| 05:43 | <ogra> vagrantc, its real XDMCP
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| 05:43 | testing the e2300
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| 05:44 | <ogra> running ldm there in the current state is insane
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| 05:44 | <vagrantc> got it
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| 05:44 | <dan__t> I'm testing MS Office Accounting Professional 207
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| 05:44 | 2007, rather.
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| 05:44 | <ogra> and for measuring i try to use the same setup as 42 as well
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| 05:44 | *4.2
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| 05:44 | <dan__t> To see if the upgrade from 2006 -> 2007 is worth it.
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| 05:45 | * vagrantc wonders a little about dan__t | |
| 05:45 | <dan__t> I know, I know :(
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| 05:45 | Gotta figure something out here.
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| 05:46 | <daya> ogra, vagrantc thanks a lot , now our debian based distros is ltsp enabled?, really thanks a lot
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| 05:46 | <vagrantc> dan__t: you're not running this in an LTSP environment, are you? :P
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| 05:46 | <dan__t> Actually. heh
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| 05:46 | <daya> ogra, we are now going to implement it in our remote sites,
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| 05:46 | <dan__t> I'd like to. rdesktop inside of a vt to a win2k3 server
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| 05:48 | Anyone here doing much work at all with 5.0 under fc7?
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| 05:48 | <daya> vagrantc, but one issue, can't the client shutdown his system ?
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| 05:48 | do it has to be done manually,
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| 05:48 | by pressing powerbutton,
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| 05:56 | <vagrantc> dan__t: there is no 5.0 under fc7, as far as i know.
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| 05:57 | dan__t: other than using tarballs of ubuntu or debian
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| 05:57 | <dan__t> ahh
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| 05:57 | <vagrantc> !tarball
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| 05:58 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
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| 05:58 | <dan__t> tarballs are like wearing your friend's pair of dirty socks
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| 05:58 | <meetpai> ./#nepalinux
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| 05:59 | <_ringlej> vagrantc: I thought it would have been enough to install icewm to be able to login, but this doesn't seem to be enough. I still can't login. Do I really need to install ubunut-desktop? Is there something more lightweight I can install?
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| 05:59 | <vagrantc> dan__t: we tried to get the fedora folks to work on it, but haven't heard much.
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| 05:59 | <dan__t> No worries.
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| 05:59 | I understand
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| 06:00 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: you installed it on the server, right?
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| 06:00 | <_ringlej> Yes
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| 06:00 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: dpkg -l x11-common icewm
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| 06:00 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 06:01 | <_ringlej> $ ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 06:01 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4157 2007-02-20 03:56 /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 06:02 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: look in ~/.xsession-errors
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| 06:02 | see if there's anything revealing there
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| 06:02 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: dpkg -l ltsp*
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| 06:03 | <ltsppbot> "_ringlej" pasted "ringlej@crossdevserver:/opt/lt" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/158
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| 06:04 | "_ringlej" pasted "Xsession: X session started fo" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/159
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| 06:05 | <vagrantc> dpkg -l '*ssh*'
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| 06:05 | <ltsppbot> "_ringlej" pasted "$ dpkg -l ltsp* Desired=Unknow" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/160
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| 06:06 | "_ringlej" pasted "$ dpkg -l '*ssh*' Desired=Unkn" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/161
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| 06:06 | <vagrantc> grep LOCALDEV /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 06:06 | <_ringlej> $ grep LOCALDEV /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 06:06 | LOCALDEV=True
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| 06:06 | <vagrantc> install ltspfs on the server
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| 06:07 | <ogra> but thats not his prob
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| 06:07 | see the .xsession-errors
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| 06:07 | <vagrantc> yeah, i saw it
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| 06:07 | <ogra> DISPLAY isnt set
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| 06:07 | why ever
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| 06:07 | <vagrantc> grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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| 06:08 | <ogra> hmm, its usually on by default on any ubuntu install ...
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| 06:08 | <_ringlej> $ grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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| 06:08 | <vagrantc> and it usually works by default, too :P
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| 06:08 | <_ringlej> X11Forwarding yes
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| 06:08 | X11DisplayOffset 10
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| 06:09 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 06:10 | _ringlej: well, no idea if it will fix it, but try installing ltspfs
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| 06:10 | <_ringlej> I just did. I didn't help
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| 06:10 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 06:11 | grep SCREEN /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 06:11 | <_ringlej> That's something I was messing with:
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| 06:11 | $ grep SCREEN /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 06:11 | SCREEN_7=ldm
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| 06:11 | <ogra> thats the default
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| 06:11 | <vagrantc> should be fine ..
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| 06:11 | <ogra> no need to explicitly set it
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| 06:12 | * vagrantc is, yet again, stumped | |
| 06:12 | <ogra> paste the whole file
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| 06:12 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: can you ssh to your server from another machine ?
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| 06:12 | <ogra> grmbl
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| 06:13 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: and if so, can you ssh -X from another machine, and run xeyes or something
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| 06:13 | <ltsppbot> "_ringlej" pasted "lts.conf" (20 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/162
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| 06:14 | <ogra> _ringlej, remove al stuff you added
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| 06:14 | SOUND=True, LOCALDEV=True, NBD_SWAP=True, SYSLOG=server should suffice
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| 06:15 | most of the other stuff wouldnt work anyway
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| 06:17 | * ogra wonders why apparently nobody ever reads the header of that file | |
| 06:17 | <ogra> or the doc it points to
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| 06:17 | <_ringlej> Ok. I have lts.conf with what ogra says, but the problem persists.
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| 06:17 | <ogra> can you try what vagrantc suggested ?
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| 06:18 | <vagrantc> ssh -X xeyes
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| 06:18 | from another machine
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| 06:18 | <ogra> ssh -X user@server xterm or so
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| 06:18 | <ogra> vagrantc, i dont think xeyes is there :)
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| 06:18 | <vagrantc> ogra: realyl ?
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| 06:18 | <ogra> oh it is ...
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| 06:19 | i thought we dropped it ...
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| 06:19 | <_ringlej> xeyes is not installled. I'm installing xterm to try...
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| 06:19 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: dpkg -l xbase-clients
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| 06:19 | <ogra> sicne all unused stuff was wiped from our packages once
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| 06:19 | but we synced the debian xorg packags last release to be on par package wise
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| 06:19 | <_ringlej> It compained that DISPLAY was not set
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| 06:20 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: dpkg -l xbase-clients
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| 06:20 | <_ringlej> Not installed...
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| 06:20 | <vagrantc> install it
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| 06:20 | * vagrantc hums a little tune about ldm-server | |
| 06:20 | <ogra> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop *sigh*
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| 06:20 | icewm is in unverse for a reason
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| 06:21 | <_ringlej> ubuntu-desktop carries too much baggage for my liking...
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| 06:21 | <vagrantc> or, i guess if he wanted a lightweight one ... xubuntu-desktop
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| 06:21 | <ogra> or apt-get install xubuntu-desktop if you are concerned about size
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| 06:21 | <vagrantc> though it's still huge
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| 06:21 | <ogra> well, its the ubuntu way either go with whats working or know your way around
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| 06:22 | <cliebow_> ogra:perhaps we need a disclaimer on wiki.ltsp.org....or pointer to the right stuff?
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| 06:22 | <ogra> poking around for a week to find all needed deps for icewm and get it running is really a waste
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| 06:22 | <vagrantc> xbase-clients
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| 06:22 | <_ringlej> Ok. after installing xbase-clients, I can launch a xterm from ssh -X
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| 06:22 | <ogra> unless you know what you need or have a howto
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| 06:22 | ok
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| 06:22 | now try from ldm
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| 06:23 | <_ringlej> Yes. it works now!!
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| 06:23 | thanks
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| 06:23 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: which did you do?
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| 06:23 | <ogra> xbase-clients
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| 06:23 | <_ringlej> xbase-clients
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| 06:24 | * vagrantc adds xbase-clients to ltsp-server-standalone for debian | |
| 06:24 | <_ringlej> You should add it to ltsp-server too
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| 06:24 | <vagrantc> no
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| 06:24 | ltsp-server is only supposed to provide the NFS/TFTP depedencies
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| 06:24 | <_ringlej> ok.
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| 06:24 | <ogra> vagrantc, add it to both
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| 06:24 | (distors)
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| 06:25 | *distros
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| 06:25 | <cliebow_> 8`)
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| 06:25 | <vagrantc> ogra: ok.
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| 06:25 | <cliebow_> maybe you need two--classmates..one for each hand
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| 06:25 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:26 | <vagrantc> ogra: should ltsp-serer-standalone have hard dependencies on the server-side sound stuff ?
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| 06:26 | ogra: or were you saying pulse somehow magically is all handled client-side ?
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| 06:26 | <ogra> right
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| 06:26 | libasound2-plugins is what you need server side
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| 06:26 | and for gnome libgstreamer-plugins-pulse0.10-0
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| 06:27 | <ogra> but tha not mandatory
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| 06:27 | *thats
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| 06:27 | <vagrantc> ogra: should i add the libgstreamer-plugins-pulse0.10-0 to recommends?
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| 06:27 | <ogra> not for ubuntu :)
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| 06:27 | do as you like for debian
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| 06:28 | * vagrantc guesses there's no real reason to split ldm-server until there's actual support for multiple login servers | |
| 06:28 | <vagrantc> well, actually you can set it on a per-client basis ...
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| 06:32 | * ogra just read his mail ... | |
| 06:33 | <ogra> whats the guy in Bug#395145 talking about ?
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| 06:33 | udev brings the device up ...
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| 06:33 | <vagrantc> well, that was basically my response....
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| 06:33 | <ogra> right
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| 06:37 | <vagrantc> i do recall there being a bug with initrd-netboot-tools waaaaay back when that needed a patch sort of like that
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| 06:40 | <Guaraldo> hi all...
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| 07:06 | <daya> vagrantc, for sound and usbdrive support in client what should I do, I have no lts.conf file,
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| 07:12 | <vagrantc> daya: etch, or sid ?
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| 07:13 | <daya> vagrantc, I am using the kernel from the etch,
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| 07:14 | <daya> vagrantc, but my whole sytem is not etch, as I said it is customized ,
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| 07:17 | <vagrantc> egrep 'sid|etch' /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
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| 07:19 | <vagrantc> daya: egrep 'sid|etch|lenny' /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
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| 07:19 | <daya> vagrantc, root@nepalinux:~# egrep 'sid|etch|lenny' /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
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| 07:19 | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main
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| 07:19 | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main
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| 07:20 | I opened it in client and it gets played in server's speaker,
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| 07:20 | * vagrantc will be back shortly | |
| 07:20 | <daya> vagrantc, ok
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| 07:21 | <ogra> daya, well, ldm should have set ESPEAKER in the ssh tunnel if you have SOUND=True in ts.conf
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| 07:21 | *lts.conf
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| 07:21 | note that there is no sound integration at allfor XDMCP, if you use that you need to write up something yourself
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| 07:22 | <daya> ogra, I have no more lts.conf file , as u have told it to remove and try to login it, do it need to restore it again
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| 07:22 | and other, which lts.conf, /etc or /opt,
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| 07:23 | <ogra> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 07:23 | <daya> ogra, and I have no more ldm installed, dpkg -l | grep ldm so nothings,
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| 07:23 | <ogra> ouch, why is that ?
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| 07:23 | without ldm you wnt have much fun
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| 07:24 | <daya> ogra, no I am the beginners,
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| 07:24 | <daya> do I need to install ldm,
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| 07:25 | <ogra> well, its usually installed by ltsp-build-client
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| 07:25 | and if ou dont touch what that created it should all work out of the box
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| 07:25 | <daya> ogra, no I have not used ltsp-build-client , I have extracted tar ball in /opt
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| 07:26 | and i have run, apt-get install ltsp-server, as you guided me yesterday,
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| 07:26 | <ogra> well, then it should be there, the tarball is just the tarred up version of the stuff ltsp-build-client created
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| 07:26 | <cliebow> heh
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| 07:26 | <daya> ok
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| 07:26 | <ogra> right, ltsp server is needed for the scripts
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| 07:26 | else you wont have ltsp-update-kernels/-sshkeys
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| 07:27 | how did you manage to uninstall ldm in the chroot ?
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| 07:27 | <daya> I have used both, :D unknowningly
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| 07:28 | ouh, chroot, ?
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| 07:33 | ogra, do i need to unistall it?
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| 07:33 | <ogra> no
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| 07:33 | but you said its not in there
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| 07:35 | <vagrantc> daya: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ldm
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| 07:35 | wait a minute ... doesn't the tarball use /opt/ltsp/debian_etch_i386 or something ?
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| 07:37 | <daya> vagrantc, yes, but dut I have mv debian_etch_i386 to i386, do i have committed something silly mistake?
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| 07:38 | <vagrantc> no, that should be fine
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| 07:38 | daya: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ldm
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| 07:38 | <daya> vagrantc, :)
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| 07:38 | <vagrantc> does that say ldm is installed, or not ?
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| 07:39 | <ogra> fedrora has an EULA ???
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| 07:39 | <ltsppbot> "daya" pasted "root@nepalinux:~# dpkg --root=" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/163
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| 07:39 | * ogra cant belive it | |
| 07:39 | <vagrantc> what's it say?
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| 07:39 | <ogra> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/EULA7
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| 07:40 | lots of rubbish indeed :)
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| 07:40 | <daya> vagrantc, how to know, ii ---> installed is it ?
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| 07:40 | * ogra is lucky to lve in a country where EULAs are not legal | |
| 07:40 | <moquist> vagrantc: sdm is the login manager you keep mentioning, right? how drop-in is it as a replacement for ldm? the gtk greeter (both implementations) takes >60s to start on this cursed laptop, so I'm still looking around for alternatives.
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| 07:40 | ogra: really? That's awesome!
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| 07:41 | <ogra> moquist, did you ask sbalneav for his C wrapper ?
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| 07:41 | <cliebow> moquist:hey!!
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| 07:41 | <moquist> ogra: No. I shall.
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| 07:41 | cliebow: hey hey hey
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| 07:41 | <ogra> yeh, you should
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| 07:41 | t least for a test
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| 07:41 | * moquist nods | |
| 07:41 | <moquist> that's why I'm looking. :)
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| 07:41 | <vagrantc> moquist: it would require some to moderate tweaks to get sdm working with all the features of ldm
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| 07:41 | moquist: but for basic login, it should be pretty simple
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| 07:42 | <ogra> wow, this eula even totally breaks with the GPL
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| 07:42 | <cliebow> moquist: stuff up for unh now?
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| 07:42 | <vagrantc> daya: the ii at the beginning of the line indicates ldm is properly installed
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| 07:42 | <moquist> vagrantc: that's good enough for now. can I just apt-get install sdm in the chroot, or are there specific things you can easily mention that I'll need to do? :)
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| 07:43 | vagrantc: Obviously, I'll have to get sdm to start instead of ldm, but other than that...
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| 07:43 | <vagrantc> moquist: "apt-get install sdm" on the server, "chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install sdm-terminal
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| 07:43 | "
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| 07:44 | moquist: and either remove ldm from the chroot, or SCREEN_07=sdm
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| 07:44 | <moquist> cliebow: er, uh, ... not really. It's still on the TODO list. If it would help I can send you a super-secret *draft* copy of the schedule I'm currently working with. Note that it's not in publishable condition, or it would be published. ;)
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| 07:44 | <vagrantc> moquist: it also has some stupid default settings, like the server. but you can login with "user@server" in the login screen.
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| 07:44 | <moquist> vagrantc: thx for saving me the time of figuring all that out. :)
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| 07:45 | <cliebow> moquist:heh!!i am not sure if i will have a sponsor..thinking of changing jobs
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| 07:45 | <moquist> maybe there is great documentation of all that somewhere, but that's too often not the case...
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| 07:45 | <vagrantc> moquist: glad to see people try sdm :)
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| 07:45 | moquist: oh yes! also: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install daemon
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| 07:47 | <moquist> dude...there's a package named 'daemon'.
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| 07:47 | * moquist had no idea | |
| 07:47 | <moquist> that's like a package named 'program', or 'system', or something.
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| 07:47 | or 'package', better yet.
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| 07:47 | <ogra> if you want to rule the daemon, apt-get install devil :P
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| 07:47 | <moquist> haha!
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| 07:48 | <vagrantc> daemon is pretty cool
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| 07:49 | launchtool is actually even cooler, but i could never get it to work the way i wanted
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| 08:00 | <daya> ogra, although I have edited lts.conf file to include SOUND=True , it doesn't work in cline,t
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| 08:01 | and other things I have specified SCREEN_07=startx, same error apperas,
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| 08:01 | but this time I can login,
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| 08:01 | <vagrantc> daya: if you specify SCREEN_07=startx, sound will not work.
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| 08:01 | daya: just like ogra said earlier
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| 08:02 | <daya> oh,
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| 08:02 | <daya> then what to do,
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| 08:02 | <vagrantc> if you want sound to work, do not set and SCREEN entries
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| 08:02 | <daya> ok , lets check
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| 08:03 | vagrantc, I need to restart client only isn't it to see the effect ?
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| 08:03 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 08:04 | daya: so what do you have in lts.conf ?
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| 08:06 | <ltsppbot> "daya" pasted "root@nepalinux:~# cat /opt/lts" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/164
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| 08:07 | <moquist> Papa Jim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:08 | <daya> this time also it
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| 08:08 | does't work,
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| 08:08 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 08:08 | <vagrantc> daya: why do you have all those things in your lts.conf ?
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| 08:09 | <daya> vagrantc, all those things, that were default, I have added only SOUND sections,
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| 08:09 | <vagrantc> daya: i cannot help you if you do not tell us the truth.
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| 08:09 | <daya> vagrantc, wondering ?
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| 08:10 | <jammcq> maybe he started with k12ltsp
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| 08:10 | <daya> vagrantc, I am always telling u the truth, ?
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| 08:10 | <vagrantc> jammcq: he says he used a tarball
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| 08:10 | daya: you added many more lines in that simple SOUND=True
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| 08:11 | daya: all you need is ...
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| 08:11 | [Default]
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| 08:11 | SOUND=True
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| 08:11 | daya: and if that doesn't work for you, we can add things in as necessary.
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| 08:11 | <daya> vagrantc, ok
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| 08:13 | <vagrantc> daya: but don't add anything without telling us.
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| 08:13 | makes it *very* difficult to help.
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| 08:14 | because earlier, we had removed it entirely ...
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| 08:17 | <daya> vagrantc, this time also it doesn't work,
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| 08:18 | <vagrantc> daya: ok, as the logged in user, echo $ESPEAKER
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| 08:18 | <daya> when, I boot the sytem it says some warnign such as can
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| 08:18 | can't find /etc/hotplug,,,etc
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| 08:18 | <vagrantc> that's fine.
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| 08:18 | do you get to a login screen ever?
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| 08:19 | <daya> It displays nothing, in echo $ESPEAKER
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| 08:19 | <daya> vagrantc, yes finally I am prompted to login screen w/o any errors,
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| 08:20 | and I can run the programs smoothly,
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| 08:20 | <vagrantc> daya: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l esound
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| 08:20 | <daya> only the thins I can't mount my USB ,and have audio,
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| 08:20 | vagrantc, ii --> esound
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| 08:21 | <vagrantc> dpkg -l esound-clients
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| 08:21 | <daya> it also shows ii
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| 08:22 | <vagrantc> ok ...
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| 08:22 | <ogra> unsupported soundcard ?
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| 08:22 | <daya> :)
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| 08:22 | <vagrantc> maybe
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| 08:23 | there's an open bug report on sound with some potentially useful information ...
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| 08:23 | <daya> of server or client ?
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| 08:23 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 08:24 | <ogra> woah, you dont have linux-sound-base in the default install in debian ?
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| 08:24 | <vagrantc> hell no.
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| 08:24 | <ogra> thats even in debbootstrap in ubuntu
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| 08:24 | install alsa-base, alsa-uils and linux-sound-abse
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| 08:24 | *utils
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| 08:24 | *base
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| 08:25 | <vagrantc> probably alsa-oss
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| 08:25 | <ogra> nah
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| 08:25 | <vagrantc> well ... we'll try that later
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| 08:25 | <ogra> that will only give you oss crap
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| 08:25 | oss is obsolete
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| 08:25 | <vagrantc> so you know debian is 100% alsa compatible?
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| 08:26 | <ogra> well, i know all our alsa atches went in
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| 08:26 | *patches
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| 08:27 | so it should at least be on par with ubuntu
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| 08:27 | (if you have the rght packages installed)
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| 08:27 | <vagrantc> daya: ok ... so ... chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils libesd-alsa0
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| 08:28 | <ogra> linux-sound-base :)
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| 08:28 | <vagrantc> dependency of two of the above packages :P
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| 08:28 | <fsgaston> Looking for good docs on having LTSP do local processing - Similar to Ardence?
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| 08:28 | <ogra> Ardence ?
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| 08:29 | <fsgaston> Ardence is basically a shared Hard drive, with the machine doing processing - now bought by CITRIX
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| 08:29 | <vagrantc> fsgaston: there are no good docs for that sort of thing yet
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| 08:29 | <fsgaston> vagrantc -- Can it be done?
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| 08:29 | <ogra> sunds like LOCALDEV support
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| 08:29 | <vagrantc> fsgaston: absolutely
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| 08:29 | ogra: i think it's more like "fat clients"
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| 08:30 | <ogra> shared HD ?
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| 08:30 | well
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| 08:30 | <vagrantc> ogra: ever heard of NFS ?
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| 08:30 | daya: still there ?
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| 08:30 | <fsgaston> Yes, but we want the machines to not have a HD and boot fomr one image
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| 08:30 | <daya> vagrantc, I am doing it,
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| 08:31 | <fsgaston> vanrantc - what is being proccessed locally
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| 08:31 | <ogra> fsgaston, and use the builtin HD for user data ?
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| 08:31 | <fsgaston> are you doing sound and video
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| 08:31 | <daya> vagrantc, perhaps the site is not working,
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| 08:31 | vagrantc, Temporary failure resolving 'http.us.debian.org'
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| 08:31 | <vagrantc> fsgaston: we're attempting to set up local sound support for a traditional LTSP thin client
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| 08:31 | <daya> vagrantc, can I use my local repo in it ?
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| 08:31 | <vagrantc> daya: cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/resolv.conf
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| 08:32 | daya: if you want ..
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| 08:32 | daya: is it a full debian mirror ?
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| 08:32 | <ogra> ... if it has the packages :)
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| 08:32 | <vagrantc> daya: do you have packages in there that are different from packages in debian ?
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| 08:32 | <fsgaston> Who is doing the fat clients with no HD and doing audio and video locally?
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| 08:33 | <ogra> fsgaston, so you want storage access to the thin client or do you want more ?
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| 08:33 | <fsgaston> Storage on the server or authenticated with Windows or Novell and processing done locally
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| 08:33 | <daya> vagrantc, in my system ?, no but may be from previous ver. of debian,
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| 08:33 | <ogra> ah, right thats a common fat client
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| 08:33 | <fsgaston> I'm the technical contact for 10000 linux desktops in Indiana
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| 08:33 | <vagrantc> daya: in your repository
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| 08:34 | <daya> vagrantc, debian etch,
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| 08:34 | vagrantc, only
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| 08:34 | <ogra> fsgaston, we're not done with an automated install yet, but if you have some experience its not hard to set up manually with ltsp5
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| 08:34 | fsgaston, the thing is that you need a
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| 08:34 | proper network auth setup
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| 08:34 | <fsgaston> Are there any restrictions on what can be processed locally
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| 08:34 | <ogra> no
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| 08:35 | yu can install a full desktop in the client chroot and run everything in ram on the client
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| 08:35 | <vagrantc> daya: well, go for it.
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| 08:35 | <daya> vagrantc, ok
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| 08:35 | <vagrantc> daya: so edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list to include your mirror
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| 08:35 | <fsgaston> ogra - would you have time to chat old school (skype or telephone)?
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| 08:36 | <daya> vagrantc, ok
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| 08:36 | <fsgaston> vagrantc - do you use skype?
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| 08:36 | <ogra> fsgaston, not really atm
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| 08:36 | fsgaston, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins have a look at that one ...
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| 08:36 | <vagrantc> fsgaston: no, i can't bear to run non-free software :)
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| 08:37 | <ogra> if you install an auth mechanism instead of making it use autologin and install ubuntu-desktop instaed of firefox etc and have a pam-mount rule that mounts your home from the server on login, then you have exactly what you wnted
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| 08:38 | running everything on the client is trivial
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| 08:38 | <ogra> it gets only hairy if you only want to run pieces locally and others on the server
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| 08:38 | thats a feature that will still take time
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| 08:39 | <fsgaston> ogra - May I give you a call - e-mail me at fsgaston@schooltechperson.com
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| 08:40 | <daya> vagrantc, I have done it, but doesn't work
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| 08:40 | do I have to do some extra,
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| 08:40 | things,
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| 08:41 | <ogra> use the ubuntu tarball :P
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| 08:41 | * ogra hides | |
| 08:41 | <daya> ubuntu tarball
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| 08:41 | ?
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| 08:43 | <ogra> daya, i was joking ... (it will work out of the box in ubuntu, but you have already doen so much work that you should just get it running with what you have now)
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| 08:44 | <fsgaston> ogra - do you have ltsp working with local authentication and mounting to a windows share?
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| 08:44 | <daya> ogra, only few things left sound, usb and printer ,
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| 08:45 | <ogra> fsgaston, nope, but i know that people have that running from guys passing by here and in #edubuntu if they have support questions
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| 08:45 | daya, hmm, printer will be prob in debian (unless vagrantc bacported jetpipe to etch)
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| 08:46 | <fsgaston> ogra - it sounds like i should check in #edubuntu?
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| 08:46 | <ogra> if you like :)
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| 08:47 | <daya> ogra, is there is anything left for enabling sound in client, that you haven't guide me,
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| 08:48 | <vagrantc> ogra: i just uploaded an ltsp with jetpipe to debian-edu today
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| 08:48 | <ogra> well, i dont know whats needed for debian to make alsa work, i'm pretty spoiled with ubuntu here, i dont have to care for such stuff (it just works) beyond that you have done everything you can do for ltsp sound
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| 08:49 | vagrantc, yay
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| 08:49 | we urgently need more devs for this ... someone has to care for serial printers
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| 08:49 | <vagrantc> hopeing to get a new upload that's synced with ubuntu today yet
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| 08:50 | daya: so ... as a logged in user ... echo $ESPEAKER
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| 08:51 | <daya> vagrantc, 192.168.2.184:16001
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| 08:51 | <ogra> yay
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| 08:51 | <vagrantc> alright, progress.
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| 08:51 | <ogra> so the ldm side of things is fine
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| 08:52 | <vagrantc> it wasn't earlier
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| 08:52 | unless i was given false information again :P
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| 08:52 | <ogra> right
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| 08:53 | <vagrantc> daya: ok ... so what program are you trying to play sounds with ?
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| 08:53 | <daya> vagrantc, I din't get u
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| 08:53 | vagrantc, sorry
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| 08:54 | <vagrantc> daya: you say sound isn't working ... i'm wondering what you're expecting to hear sounds from that isn't working.
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| 08:54 | <daya> vagrantc, I am tryiing to watch movies and play music in client
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| 08:54 | <vagrantc> daya: ok.
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| 08:54 | <daya> vagrantc, :D
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| 08:54 | :)
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| 08:54 | <vagrantc> daya: what's the program you are using to do that?
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| 08:54 | <daya> vagrantc, I got u ,
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| 08:54 | vagrantc, Totem
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| 08:55 | <ogra> run sgtreamer-properties and switch to the esound backend then
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| 08:55 | *gstreamer-properties
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| 08:55 | <moquist> vagrantc: "Xdialog not found"... it seems to be packaged for debian, but apt-cache search doesn't find it. :p WTH?
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| 08:55 | <vagrantc> moquist: xdialog ?
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| 08:55 | <ogra> xdialog - X11 replacement for the text util dialog
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| 08:56 | <moquist> vagrantc: when starting sdm, I get a box telling me "Xdialog not found, either install Xdialog or configure sdm for autologin"
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| 08:56 | <ogra> so install xdialog :)
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| 08:56 | <vagrantc> moquist: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install xdialog
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| 08:56 | that's another stupid mistake i made with sdm ...
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| 08:57 | <ogra> using xdialog ? yes :)
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| 08:57 | <vagrantc> fixed it in ... cvs ...
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| 08:57 | or maybe svn ...
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| 08:57 | <ogra> so you apt-get install cvs ? and all i fixed ? wow :P
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| 08:57 | <vagrantc> no.
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| 08:57 | <ogra> *is
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| 08:58 | <vagrantc> the debian maintainer for sdm is the same as for lessdisks, so probably even if i made a new upstream release years ago, it wouldn't be in etch.
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| 08:58 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:58 | <moquist> WTF...I must have had out-of-date metadata when I did 'apt-cache search xdialog' on the server, b/c the chroot found and installed it just fine. :P
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| 08:58 | <ogra> want to overrid it in ubuntu ? you will need some sponsored uplaods anyway for your ubuntu-dev membership
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| 08:59 | *override
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| 08:59 | <vagrantc> not that i've really done significant work ... sdm in debian is actually based on the last stable release of sdm.
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| 08:59 | heh
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| 08:59 | <ogra> by the way ....
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| 08:59 | moquist, ?
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| 09:00 | any news on moodle ?
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| 09:01 | <moquist> ogra: the first thing I did was try to install xdialog, of course, but apt-cache search didn't find it, so I blabbed in here. But apt-get update fixed my silly problem.
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| 09:01 | ogra: did you see my PM?
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| 09:01 | bah, my nick isn't currently identified by freenode.
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| 09:03 | <vagrantc> daya: you probably need to install libesd-alsa0 on the server, too.
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| 09:03 | <moquist> ogra: I just posted the PM again...
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| 09:03 | <daya> vagrantc, in chrooted environment or in server itself
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| 09:03 | <ogra> yep, seeing it ...
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc> daya: both
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| 09:04 | <daya> ok lets check it out,
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc> daya: and you'll have to configure totem to use esound
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| 09:04 | <ogra> no
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc> daya: are you using tome-xine or totem-gstreamer ?
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| 09:04 | <ogra> you have to configure gstreamer
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc> ogra: depends :P
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| 09:05 | <ogra> ah, right i forgot ... since we have libgimmecodec i ubuntu nobody uss the xine backend anymore, its lame :)
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| 09:06 | <vagrantc> on debian, totem-xine is preferred over totem-gstreamer ...
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| 09:06 | <daya> vagrantc, its might be totem-xine, since i got in dpkg -l grep totem , might be incorrect
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| 09:06 | * moquist has to say that totem-xine is far better for playing DVDs on Ubuntu, as well | |
| 09:06 | <ogra> moquist, tired in feisty on a fresh install ?
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| 09:06 | *tried
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| 09:07 | <moquist> totem-gstreamer is *horrible* when I use the sliding bar to seek within the DVD, but the xine backend handles it just like you'd hope
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| 09:07 | ogra: yep
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| 09:07 | <ogra> thats bad then
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| 09:07 | * moquist nods | |
| 09:07 | <ogra> i have a dvd player so i never use the one in my lappie
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| 09:07 | <moquist> relatively easy to change, at least
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| 09:07 | <ogra> (not that i used te other one more than twice in a year)
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| 09:08 | <moquist> ogra: I don't either, and if I do watch a movie on my laptop I've already ripped it to disk and I use mplayer. But my users don't live that way...
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| 09:08 | <ogra> right
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| 09:09 | <moquist> I make pretty good use of my real DVD player... I'd love to invite you up some evening during the Boston UDS/UES to watch something, but I don't know that it would fit into the schedule very well. ;)
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| 09:09 | <ogra> me neither, lets see :)
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| 09:10 | (dont ask me about my schedules more than a day in advance :) )
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| 09:10 | <daya> vagrantc,could u please say me how to configure totem for esound support, :D
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| 09:11 | <ogra> run xine and open its options ... then configure it for esound output in the sound tab
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| 09:11 | totem-xine should pick that up
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| 09:13 | <moquist> sdm cuts 50 seconds off the DHCP-->login prompt time
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| 09:13 | I'm down to 134s with this craptop now
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| 09:15 | <ogra> log in on the console: lsmod >/tmp/modules && scp /tmp/modules user@server:/tmp
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| 09:15 | then copy that to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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| 09:15 | <daya> ogra, vagrantc I can't enable sound support in client , I will see it later, thank a lot for your valuable support,
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| 09:15 | <ogra> regenrate the initramfs and run ltsp-update-kernels
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| 09:15 | <daya> see u , guys,
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| 09:15 | bye
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| 09:15 | <ogra> that will speed up a bit
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| 09:16 | daya, you already *have* soud support on the client
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| 09:16 | just make your app know about it ;)
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| 09:16 | <daya> ogra, no yar
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| 09:17 | ogra, I can
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| 09:17 | n't find the options,
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| 09:17 | <ogra> in xine ?
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| 09:17 | there is a button for them in the ui
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| 09:17 | <moquist> I've got a chroot made from an rsync of / from a system booted to the Edubuntu Desktop Live/install CD, and I'd like to boot that over the network. I apparently don't have the NFS root thing going properly, because I keep getting kernel panics when I boot... I've recompiled the kernel a few times with some different options, I'm reading nfsroot.txt, and I've tried it with an initrd and without, though I didn't customize the one I trie
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| 09:17 | <daya> in totem, ok I will see in xine,
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| 09:18 | <ogra> moquist, dont touch the kernel
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| 09:18 | <daya> ogra, I have to enable them from client isn't it?
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| 09:18 | <moquist> ogra: use the unmodified kernel from the LivdCD?
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| 09:18 | <ogra> moquist, the kernel in ubuntu is compiled with the most minimal set of options
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| 09:18 | yes
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| 09:19 | what you want to change in ubuntu is always the initramfs
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| 09:19 | <moquist> ogra: This is a different situation than the craptop problems, so I'm not worried about optimization. Just FYI.
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| 09:19 | ogra: OK.
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| 09:19 | <ogra> if you want different core kernel options you use the -genric -i386 -server -server-bigiron packages
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| 09:19 | * moquist nods | |
| 09:19 | <ogra> and poke on these with bootoptions ...
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| 09:19 | oh i forgot -lowlatency
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| 09:20 | <moquist> ogra: is initramfs-tools the right place to start learning about poking the initramfs properly?
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| 09:20 | <ogra> right
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| 09:20 | have a look at /usr/share/initramfs-tools and /etc/initramfs-tools
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| 09:20 | <moquist> ogra: could I potentially grab the initramfs from edubuntu chroot and drop it in? (if I install kernel-386 in my chroot)
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| 09:20 | ogra: will do
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| 09:21 | <ogra> fpr your particular prob have a look at /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
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| 09:22 | change the values for MODULES and BOOT, run update-initramfs -u .... thats it
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| 09:22 | <daya> ogra, sorry I can't get it, ok I will see it tomorrwo, see u, :D
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| 09:22 | <moquist> ogra: wow, no kidding. that's *so* easy.
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| 09:22 | <ogra> initramfs is extremely cool
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| 09:41 | <moquist> ogra: dropped me to busybox in the initramfs...I guess I need to look at the init stuff. Maybe I need a 'root=nfs' on the kernel command line?
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| 09:41 | <ogra> not with an ubuntu default kernel
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| 09:41 | <moquist> ogra: The kernel told me to check root= ... hrm.
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| 09:42 | <moquist> ogra: Odd.../opt/ltsp/i386/etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf has BOOT=local. That doesn't seem right.
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| 09:42 | (on my edubuntu server)
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| 09:43 | <ogra> there is a conf.d dir for override files
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| 09:43 | <moquist> Oh, right.
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| 09:43 | <ogra> two actually ...
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| 09:44 | one in the /usr tree and one in the /etc tree
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| 09:44 | one of them has an ltsp file
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| 09:50 | <ogra> oh i love to delete xrog.conf everywhere
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| 09:50 | xorg 7.3 is soo great
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| 09:53 | <cliebow> moquist:if you dont mind..a xouple of us would like a look at your prelim for unh..cliebow at ltsp.org
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| 09:53 | <moquist> cliebow: emailing to you now
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| 10:00 | <moquist> cliebow: sent
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| 10:01 | <cliebow> cool!!!
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| 10:03 | <moquist> ogra: So the kernel tells me "ALERT! does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" Any obvious (to you) things I should look for or fix?
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| 10:04 | <ogra> moquist, hmm what bootloader do you use ?
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| 10:04 | * moquist hates to ask questions so pedantically, but sometimes asking takes 5 min when figuring it out without help would take 5 hours | |
| 10:04 | <ogra> PXE i asssume ...
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| 10:04 | <moquist> ogra: I'm PXE booting, and trying to ...yes
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| 10:04 | <ogra> so did you copy the new initramfs from $ROOT/boot to the tftp dir ?
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| 10:05 | so the kernel finds the right one after uncompressing ...
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| 10:05 | <moquist> OTOH, sometimes asking reveals your silly mistakes to the WHOLE WORLD, whereas figuring it out yourself keeps those embarrassments secret...
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| 10:05 | * moquist copies the initramfs | |
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| 10:10 | <_ringlej> Is it possible from a ltsp client to get access to a local serial port (/dev/ttyS0)?
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| 10:10 | <cliebow> wehave used serial mice in the past!
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| 10:10 | <_ringlej> How does that work?
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| 10:10 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: depends on what you mean by access ... what are you trying to do ?
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| 10:11 | <_ringlej> I want to get serial port terminal access to an embedded board that I develope on.
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| 10:12 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: to applications running on the server ... or elsewhere ?
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| 10:12 | _ringlej: or just manual access to the interface ?
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| 10:13 | <_ringlej> For instance from a ltsp client opens an xterm and from there executes minicom to gain access to the local /dev/ttyS0
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| 10:14 | I'm thinking that perhaps I can do this using socat... but maybe there's a better solution?
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> why not write a screen script that just launches xterm and minicom on a SCREEN locally?
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| 10:15 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: you could run sshd on the thin client and log into the client itself ?
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> that would be easiest
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| 10:15 | <vagrantc> ah, yes. that would be easy too.
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| 10:15 | or even skip X entirely.
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| 10:15 | <_ringlej> I see. that sounds easy enough.
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| 10:16 | <vagrantc> depends on what other stuff you want to do
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| 10:16 | <_ringlej> How do I install sshd server on the client?
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| 10:16 | <vagrantc> LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install openssh-server
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| 10:17 | we gotta implement ltsp-chroot :)
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| 10:17 | i guess i already did, but i've never been happy with it
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| 10:17 | <_ringlej> Cool. What is the purpose of LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS?
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| 10:18 | <vagrantc> it prevents sshd from starting in the chroot on your server
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| 10:19 | <_ringlej> I see. We only want sshd to run when a client uses nfsroot server-ip:/opt/ltsp/i386
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| 10:20 | <vagrantc> well, you don't want the sshd running on your server, only when you boot the client
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| 10:20 | <_ringlej> got it.
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| 10:22 | vagrantc: I need to execute that command as root. If I use sudo, will the environment be passed along from the command line?
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| 10:24 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: sudo su
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| 10:24 | _ringlej: and then run it
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| 10:25 | <_ringlej> ok.
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| 10:26 | <ogra> vagrantc, sudo -s :)
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| 10:26 | soesnt start a subshell
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| 10:26 | *doesnt
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| 10:26 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 10:26 | <ogra> or sudo -i
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| 10:26 | <_ringlej> Is there a way to discover the local IP address from inside the ltsp-client?
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| 10:27 | <ogra> sadly not beyond grepping through fconfig output yet
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| 10:27 | *ifconfig
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| 10:27 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: depends on what you mean ?
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| 10:27 | <_ringlej> ifconfig shows the server's ip address.
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| 10:27 | <ogra> we discussed to export it locally as env var
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| 10:27 | not on the client
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| 10:27 | <vagrantc> _ringlej: i.e. if you're logged into the server, you can get it from $LTSP_CLIENT
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| 10:28 | <ogra> or from $SSH_CONNECTION
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| 10:28 | <_ringlej> I'd like to be able to write a script that does an ssh session back to the local side.
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| 10:28 | <ogra> (i dont think we set it in ubuntu for LTSP_CLIENT)
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| 10:28 | <vagrantc> ogra: no ?
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| 10:28 | <ogra> not to the ip
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| 10:28 | i think to the hostname
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> ah, yes.
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| 10:29 | <ogra> unless there is something coming from you i didnt look into ... i dont really care what it contains as long as its set
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 10:29 | <_ringlej> $LTSP_CLIENT returns the hostname of the server.
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> well, if it's a real hostname, it's as good as an ip
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> well, it shouldn't contain that.
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| 10:30 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, hostname defaults to what /etc/hostname contains
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> right ...
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| 10:30 | _ringlej: what's in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/hostname ?
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| 10:30 | <ogra> which defaults to the servers hostname in the chroot ... and only gets overridden if you configure dhc hostnames
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| 10:31 | *dhcp
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| 10:32 | <ltsppbot> "_ringlej" pasted "/etc/hostname" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/165
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| 10:32 | <_ringlej> It seems to me that this needs to be unique to each client that connects.
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| 10:32 | <ogra> its not used anywhere
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| 10:33 | if you configure your dhcp server to hand out a name to each client it will get overridden
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| 10:33 | just use $SSH_CONNECTION
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| 10:34 | <_ringlej> ogra: that will work.
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| 10:34 | <ogra> ESPEAKER would work as well and is less to fiddle around with
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| 10:34 | make your ick :)
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| 10:34 | *pick
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| 10:39 | <_ringlej> I suppose that now I need to create a user on the local side for my ssh session...
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| 10:39 | <ogra> or set a root pw and log in as root ...
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| 10:39 | either will work
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| 10:39 | <_ringlej> How do I do that?
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| 10:40 | chroot?
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| 10:40 | <ogra> yep
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| 10:40 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 10:40 | <moquist> Hmm. Now it says "nfs: server <ipaddr> not responding, still trying", but the nfs server has "authenticated mount request from <clientip>" in syslog. Subsequently, the client's rcS.d/S10udev complains that it can't create /dev/null, readlink, usplash_write...and /etc/init.d/rc complains about not being able to create /dev/null, and then I get 2: sed: Input/output error 20 or so times before it dies.
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc> or use an ssh key for roto
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| 10:41 | for root
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| 10:41 | much better than a password
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| 10:41 | <ogra> you could also switch the shh to passwordless login and use a key
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| 10:41 | vagrantc, beats me
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> moquist: that doesn't sound good.
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| 10:42 | <_ringlej> Yes. I'd like to do that. Is it just a matter of cat ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub >> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/authorized ?
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| 10:43 | *authorized_keys
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| 10:43 | <moquist> vagrantc: this isn't an edubuntu system, this is the kernel and chroot from an Edubuntu Desktop live/install CD
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| 10:44 | Also, I can mount the NFS chroot just fine from my workstation, so I don't know what the TC's problem is.
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| 10:45 | <ogra> hmm
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| 10:45 | right
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| 10:46 | <moquist> I wonder if I should generate the initramfs inside an edubuntu chroot (and thus pull in the LTSP parts) and then copy *that* to the TFTP server.
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| 10:46 | <ogra> i guess what you would need there is a hybrid of the liveCD (unionfs to get rw access to /) and netboot
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| 10:47 | no, your prob is that you dont have rw access to the necessary parts of the filesystem ...
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| 10:47 | <moquist> but can't I do the same thing that LTSP already does to get rw /?
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| 10:47 | * moquist isn't sure what that is | |
| 10:47 | <ogra> well, you could, but the stuff ltsp makes RW doesnt suffice for a complete desktop
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| 10:47 | <moquist> ogra: but would that prevent the NFS mount from completing?
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| 10:47 | ogra: Oh, right. Of course.
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| 10:48 | OK. So I'll go learn about unionfs, then.
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| 10:50 | <ogra> well
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| 10:51 | casper has a netboot mode
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> moquist: not sure what you're trying to do, but would it suffice to mod the rw_dirs in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/ltsp-client-setup?
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| 10:51 | <ogra> you could try to use that from the original liveCD initramfs
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| 10:51 | <moquist> Gadi: I'm trying to netboot the edubuntu desktop install environment
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| 10:51 | <ogra> have a look at the casper scripts to find the exact bootoptions
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| 10:51 | <moquist> ogra: k
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| 10:51 | ogra: thx
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| 10:52 | <ogra> (in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts iirc)
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| 12:37 | <moquist> sbalneav: hiya
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| 12:38 | sbalneav: can I get ahold of the C wrapper I hear you have for LDM?
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| 13:02 | * vagrantc beings the waiting period for ltsp 5.0.8debian1 to get out of the NEW queue | |
| 13:05 | <sutula> vagrantc: What caused it to go through new again, or is it really new?
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| 13:05 | <sutula> (drat)
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| 13:22 | <sbalneav> moquist: I'm still madly deveoping it.
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| 13:23 | I'm intending to work most of the weekend on it, with the idea of having something working by Monday.
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| 13:23 | <moquist> sbalneav: k; sounds good. I'll just ping you in here again then.
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| 13:23 | <sbalneav> Sure.
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| 13:23 | I'll create a bzr branch for it when I get something remotely passable :)
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| 13:24 | <moquist> sbalneav: sdm started 50 seconds faster than ldm (with the C greeter)
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> The time must be all used up in the python interpreter, because if you LOOK at what ldm's doing, for all intents and purposes, it's really only setting up some environment variables, spawining X, and then launching the ssh session.
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| 13:27 | <moquist> the 'gtk' greeter sits at the top of top for >60s every time (fresh boot, logout, etc.), whether it's the python or the C implementation.
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| 13:31 | <dan__t> Anyone have any tips for some tools to monitor bandwidth usage and stuff?
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| 13:31 | Internet-bound bandwidth, on a per-user basis.
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| 13:32 | <moquist> dan__t: nope, but if you figure something out let me know. :)
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| 13:32 | <dan__t> heheh.
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| 13:32 | The best I've got right now is Squid, since I force everything through there
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| 13:32 | Even still...
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| 14:25 | <moquist> how is the edubuntu nbi.img created?
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| 14:27 | <moquist> whiprush: you there?
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| 14:35 | <whiprush> yo
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| 14:36 | moquist: I am around now, what's up?
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| 17:25 | <pablo_> hi! ive installed thin-client-manager package but it wont "see" clients screens. do i need to install/configure other packages to make it work? (im usign lltsp5 ubuntu 7.04)
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| 17:26 | <Burgundavia> I think you might need to do something else
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| 17:30 | <cliebow_> is x11vgnc installed in the chroott...maybe?
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| 17:38 | ogra gave me a lin..but it is at school..
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| 17:46 | <pablo_> cliebow_: no it is not
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| 17:46 | installed
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| 17:56 | <cliebow_> pablo:guess i have to look..
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| 17:57 | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
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| 17:57 | this help?
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| 18:01 | <pablo_> cliebow_: ok im reading now so i can installl x11vgnc
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| 18:04 | <cliebow_> x11vnc that is
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| 18:07 | <pablo_> ok
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| 18:07 | i did the chroot
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| 18:07 | but when i do apt-get install x11vnc
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| 18:07 | it says it canot find the package
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| 18:08 | <cliebow_> hmmm..i dont have a chroot to look and see in sources.list if something is awry
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| 18:09 | it does show uip in this regular edgy laptop
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| 18:09 | how aabout apt-caache search x11vnc
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| 18:09 | in the chroot\
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| 18:09 | excuse the multiole aa
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| 18:11 | <pablo_> i did apt-cache search x11vnc in the chroot enviroment and no package was found
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| 18:12 | <cliebow_> cause eogra must be asleep..you/ll have to bear with me
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| 18:12 | <pablo_> but if i do apt-cache search outside the chroot env ths package does appear
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| 18:13 | maybe i need to install x11vnc doing sudo apt-get install x11vnc (not in the chroot env) and after doing that try to install it in the chrooted env?
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| 18:13 | <cliebow_> i do not know where that pkg is kept..so you'll haave to look at sources.list and see if you caan open up a repo for it..
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| 18:13 | no
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| 18:14 | in the chroot
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| 18:17 | <pablo_> so ill hace to edit sources.list in the chroot enviroment ?
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| 18:18 | <cliebow_> it is my best guess..wanna stick your head in 3edubuntu and see if you can get any info?
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| 18:19 | <pablo_> yes im reading edubuntu docs to see if i get help there
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| 18:20 | <cliebow_> pablo_, :it ought to be in universe..so make sure you have universe opened in sources.list..do an apt-get update
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| 18:20 | then try apt-get install again
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| 18:25 | <pablo_> ok let me see
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| 18:26 | <cliebow_> LaserJock is listeni ng in #edubuntu
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| 18:58 | <pablo_> cliebow_:ok ive installed x11vnc in the chroot added universe line to sources.list and the folowwed instrutions in the wiki edubuntu
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| 18:58 | but the thin-client manager still shows nothing
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| 18:58 | i t doesent show user also
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| 18:59 | <pablo_> how do i add users to the thin-client-manager console?
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| 19:27 | <pablo_> ogra: what packages/configurations do i need to make thin-client-gnome-manager work?
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| 19:27 | ive installed (with cliebows help) x11vnc in the chroot enviroment
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| 19:28 | but the thin-client-manager still does not show clients screens nor users processes
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| 19:30 | <jammcq> hey homies
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| 19:34 | <pablo_> hi jammcq
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| 19:34 | <jammcq> hey pablo_
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| 19:35 | <pablo_> im trying to make thin-client-manager work. ive installed x11vnc in the chroot enviroment
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| 19:35 | <pablo_> ok
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| 20:12 | <cliebow_> pablo_, you got it??
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| 20:12 | hi jammcq!
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| 20:18 | <petre> evening all
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| 20:19 | <jammcq> hey petre
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| 20:19 | <petre> hey jammcq
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| 20:20 | what's new in ltsp-land?
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| 20:20 | <jammcq> hmmm, dunno
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| 20:20 | <petre> I've been out of the loop lately, started a new job
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| 20:20 | <jammcq> oooh, new job
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| 20:20 | where you working now?
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| 20:20 | <petre> company called VisionShare
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| 20:21 | they provide secure communication over the i'net between medical providers and payers
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| 20:21 | a linux shop
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| 20:21 | centos is their main platform
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| 20:21 | <jammcq> ooh, cool
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| 20:21 | * jammcq is in the medical business | |
| 20:21 | <petre> yeah, and potentially very lucrative
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| 20:30 | <_ringlej> After installing ltsp-server, I expected to have /opt/ltsp, but this is missing...
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| 20:31 | <jammcq> just installing ltsp-server won't do that. you need to run ltsp-build-client
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| 20:31 | that creates the crhoot
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| 20:31 | <_ringlej> Oh yeah, that's right. forgot.
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| 20:31 | thanks
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| 20:59 | <sahil> is there a reason why there is no inetd.conf by default in ubuntu, do i need to install a particular program to make it work?
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| 21:00 | <jammcq> yeah, you need to install inetd
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| 21:00 | <sahil> thank you sir
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| 21:00 | jammcq: is it possible you could help me figure out the graphics issue i've been having in about 5 minutes?
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| 21:01 | <jammcq> for inetd, you'll want to install 'openbsd-inetd'
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| 21:01 | what's the problem?
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| 21:01 | <sahil> i specified sis in lts.conf
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| 21:01 | and i keep loading vesa for some reason
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| 21:02 | <jammcq> which version of ltsp ?
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| 21:02 | <sahil> i have those eway clients which lspci with a livecd tells me is a sis550 graphics
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| 21:02 | 4.2
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| 21:02 | <jammcq> paste your lts.conf file to our pastebot
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| 21:02 | <sahil> !pastebot
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| 21:02 | <ltspbot`> sahil: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 21:04 | <ltsppbot> "sahil" pasted "crappy vesa" (20 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/166
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| 21:05 | <jammcq> hmm, that should work
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| 21:05 | how do you know it's using vesa ?
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| 21:05 | <sahil> lsmod on the client/the drawing is really slow
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| 21:05 | <jammcq> lsmod doesn't list xservers
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| 21:05 | <sahil> ah
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| 21:05 | well then the drawing
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| 21:05 | <jammcq> sahil: set SCREEN_02 = shell
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| 21:05 | reboot the client
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| 21:06 | and then hit Ctrl-Alt-F2
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| 21:06 | and go look at /etc/X11/XF86Config
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| 21:06 | or maybe it's in /tmp
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| 21:06 | you need to see what's been put in the X config file
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| 21:06 | that'll tell you which driver it's using
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| 21:10 | <sahil> what text editor?
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| 21:11 | <jammcq> I use vi, you can use whatever you like
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| 21:11 | <sahil> there are no editors
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| 21:11 | <jammcq> you mean to edit lts.conf? or to look at XF86Config ?
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| 21:11 | <sahil> look at the config
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| 21:11 | <jammcq> just use 'more'
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| 21:11 | you don't need to edit it
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| 21:12 | <sahil> driver line reads sis
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| 21:12 | <jammcq> ok, then it's using sis
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| 21:13 | <sahil> the cd that came with the clients had some strange things about replacing the startx script and using sisfb for x or something
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| 21:13 | what could be causing the slow drawing and what not?
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| 21:13 | <jammcq> cd came with the clients?
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| 21:13 | <sahil> yeah its those eway tu-4 ones
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| 21:13 | let me grab the cd
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| 21:14 | <jammcq> umm, dunno why they'd be slow. are they the same as the e2300 ?
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| 21:15 | <sahil> im not familar with the e2300
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| 21:16 | <jammcq> tiny little box
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| 21:16 | 200Mhz cpu
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| 21:17 | <sahil> yes
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| 21:18 | maybe i have to load the agpart module?
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| 21:19 | can i send you over the relevant files from the cd?
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| 21:24 | <petre> jammcq: sorry, my xchat just died on me
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| 21:24 | <jammcq> heh
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| 21:34 | <sahil> jammcq:can i send you the files on the cd?
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| 21:44 | <sahil> jammcq: could the problem with slow graphics not be related to the graphics drivers but the link or something like that?
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| 21:45 | <jammcq> umm, sure, could be
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| 21:45 | how fast is the cpu on that box?
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| 21:46 | <sahil> the thin-client or the server?
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| 21:46 | <jammcq> client
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| 21:46 | <sahil> 200 mhz
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| 21:46 | <jammcq> I don't care about the server
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| 21:46 | well, at 200mhz it's not going to be very fast
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| 21:46 | <sahil> 128mb ram
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| 21:48 | it should be able to minimize a window without taking 3 seconds though right?
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| 21:48 | <jammcq> well yeah
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| 21:48 | it shouldn't be that slow
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| 21:49 | http://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-2300.htm
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| 21:49 | is that the box you are talking about?
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| 21:49 | <sahil> yes it is
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| 21:49 | <jammcq> i've got a couple of those, and they don't seem to be all that slow
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| 21:50 | they take longer to boot, but once running, they are Ok
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| 21:50 | i've heard reports that theres some settings in the bios related to video that can help alot
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| 21:51 | but I don't remember where I saw those notes
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| 21:51 | <sahil> ive been toying with them
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| 21:52 | ill see if i can hit the right combo
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| 21:52 | in the docs with the box it says something about a tiny xserver
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| 21:53 | <jammcq> hmm, you shouldn't need that
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| 21:55 | <sahil> would those notes be around in the mailing list you think?
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| 21:55 | <jammcq> check the k12ltsp or k12osn mailing list
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| 21:55 | that might be where i've seen it
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| 21:55 | google prolly knows
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| 21:56 | <sahil> strangely enough mine boots very fast
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| 21:56 | <jammcq> with ltsp-4.2 they boot fast. with ltsp-5.0 they boot slow
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| 21:59 | <sahil> whats ldm?
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| 22:01 | <jammcq> LTSP Display Manager. part of ltsp-5
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| 22:02 | <daya> I have successfully installed ltsp 5 but sound and usb is not working in client side,
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| 22:02 | how can I solve this problem,
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| 22:13 | <sahil> jammcq: is there anyway i can determine what bios settings to use like using lspci -v output and what not
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| 22:13 | <jammcq> no, not really
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| 22:14 | <sahil> did you load the sis-agp module in yours?
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| 22:14 | or rather do you have your lts.conf for those clients
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| 22:14 | <jammcq> I don't remember
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| 22:29 | <sutula> daya: What's the host OS?
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| 22:50 | <daya> sutula, :D
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| 22:50 | sutula, my server is debian,
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| 23:05 | <sutula> daya: Etch?
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| 23:05 | <daya> yes
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| 23:05 | <sutula> daya: ltsp-server (as the server package)?
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| 23:06 | <daya> no thru tarball, though I have installed ltsp-server too,
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| 23:06 | but not thru ltsp-build-client,
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| 23:06 | <sutula> daya: I guess I can relate my experience if that helps
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| 23:07 | <daya> sutula, ok why not,
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| 23:07 | <sutula> daya: I got rid of tarball stuff, installed ltsp-server, then ran ltsp-build-client
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| 23:07 | <daya> sutula, I can login in client successfully, only the problem of sound and usb
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| 23:07 | sutula, why tar ball is not good?
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| 23:08 | <sutula> daya: (not saying it's not good, but just how I got sound working)
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| 23:08 | * sutula looks up some notes...just a sec | |
| 23:08 | <daya> sutula, that means you got the same problem as me in tar ball , am I right ?
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| 23:10 | <sutula> daya: Not sure, but I submitted: http://bugs.debian.org/425057
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| 23:10 | daya: That's what I had to do to get it working...see also response from maintainer about what might not be necessary
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| 23:11 | daya: So, not sure about tarball approach but see if those packages and "SOUND=Y" gets it working
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| 23:14 | <daya> sutula, have u worked well in case of ltsp-build-clinet for sound,
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| 23:14 | and usb,
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| 23:14 | <sutula> daya: I have sound working...have not tried USB
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| 23:16 | <daya> ok,
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| 23:16 | sutula, can u please paset your lts.conf file in pastbin,
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| 23:16 | !pastebot
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| 23:16 | <ltspbot`> daya: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 23:18 | <sutula> daya: Are you looking for an example?
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| 23:19 | <daya> sutula, somewhat, since althouh I specify SOUND=yes in lts.conf file its not working,
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| 23:19 | sutula, and I have installed all packages such as alsa,
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| 23:19 | * sutula will cut/paste a few lines...just a sec | |
| 23:21 | <ltsppbot> "sutula" pasted "Example lts.conf file" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/167
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| 23:22 | <sutula> daya: Can you get logged in to the client's OS?
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| 23:23 | <daya> sutula, yes, I can do, and run every programs except I heard sound in cleint, instead it will be in server's speaker,
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| 23:23 | I can't listen to sound in clinet,
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| 23:23 | <sutula> daya: In the client, is esd running?
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| 23:25 | <daya> how to find,
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| 23:25 | ps aux | grep esd
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| 23:25 | <sutula> daya: yes
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| 23:25 | <daya> doesn't show the process, runni
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| 23:25 | running
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| 23:26 | <sutula> daya: Does the client have a /dev/dsp ?
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| 23:29 | <daya> yes
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| 23:30 | <sutula> Then, you might want to run esd manually on the client and see if it a) beeps the speaker, and b) whether it continues to run (until you kill it) or whether it dies with an error
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| 23:32 | daya: The client having /dev/dsp indicates the booted client OS thinks it has the drivers it needs to be able to play sound, so that's good
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