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Channel log from 20 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:29 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: no
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| 00:51 | <sbalneav> Tine for bed.
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| 00:51 | Night
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| 01:31 | <lns> gooday sbalneav
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| 01:31 | I SAY GOOD DAY
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| 01:31 | lol
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| 01:33 | <sadmin> hi all
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| 01:33 | am using ltsp4.2 with debian
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| 01:33 | all good
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| 01:33 | one of my user compalins that his thin client hangs after every 5 mins and then becomes normall for 5 mis
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| 01:33 | any idea
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| 01:33 | what this is
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| 01:45 | <sadmin> any what should i check for
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| 01:45 | its only one user
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| 01:45 | ?
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| 02:05 | <sadmin> hey cliebow any idea
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| 04:50 | <uwe__> hello, im trying to think of some benchmarking and/or analysis for ltsp/standalone linux/mille-xterm and possibly others as a part of advocacy for ltsp ... the problem is, im not sure what im looking for .... stuped ... right ... :( , i thought maybe one thing can be reducing the overhead of having multiple OS memory allocations, not to mention overall hardware savings ... any ideas of what can be benchmarked ? i know many things are just OS dependent
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| 04:50 | and irrelevnt to ltsp, but those would be interesting too, like does having multiple instences of the same app running by diffrent users but on the same machine increase performance? like maybe shared libraries are cached in the memory for second ...nth request for them ?
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| 04:51 | does anyone think there is some interesting analysis needed somewhere ?
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| 05:49 | <uwe__> nothing needed?
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| 06:30 | <shiner> hi
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| 08:26 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 08:26 | <ogra_> morning
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| 08:27 | <jammcq> ogra_: you gonna be at that FOSS educational conf in Indianapolis ?
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| 08:27 | <ogra_> when is that ?
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| 08:28 | <jammcq> Oct 9,10,11
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| 08:28 | <ogra_> nope, bad timing
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| 08:28 | <jammcq> yeah, bad for me too
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| 08:28 | <Guaraldo> Hi, jammcq... Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:28 | <jammcq> Guaraldo: HEY
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| 08:29 | Guaraldo: how's the kids?
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| 08:30 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: I'm working on holyday... At least I'm at home!!! :-D They are wanderfull... Now they are with a new puppy! look them at http://guaraldo.homelinux.org:8080/fotos
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| 08:31 | <jammcq> wow, that's great
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| 08:31 | is that a black lab ?
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| 08:31 | <Guaraldo> No, jammcq...
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| 08:32 | Its a Street Dog...
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| 08:40 | <rjune_> jammcq: looks t be some lab in it
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| 08:40 | <jammcq> yeah, that's what I was thinking
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| 08:40 | <rjune_> Gotta love mutts
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| 08:41 | Are you ready for the OSS conference in Indy?
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| 08:41 | <jammcq> prolly won't be there
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| 08:41 | <rjune_> :-( why not
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| 08:41 | I was even gonna try to make i t
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| 08:41 | it
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| 08:42 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Well but it's not so big as a lab... it has the faze of a pintcher (does it is writen like this?)...
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| 08:42 | <jammcq> doberman pincher ?
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| 08:43 | <Guaraldo> No... a little dog that looks like a big rat!
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| 08:43 | <jammcq> Chihuahua
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| 08:44 | <rjune_> yo quiero taco bell
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| 08:44 | <jammcq> I have one
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| 08:44 | a little black thing, weighs 2 lbs
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| 08:44 | <rjune_> I am so sorry for you man
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| 08:45 | <jammcq> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahua_%28dog%29
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| 08:45 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: May be, but Gelatina (that's the name my kids gave to the puppy) is a little bigger than a Chihuahua... Maybe mutch bigger... We realy don't know how big it can be in the future...
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| 08:48 | <ogra_> jammcq: since when ??
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| 08:48 | <jammcq> ogra_: umm, about 2 months
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| 08:49 | <ogra_> cool
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| 08:49 | * ogra_ still fights the urge to get a new one | |
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| 08:52 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Is your chihuahua much noisy?
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| 08:53 | <jammcq> hmm, no, not too noisy
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| 08:53 | she'll bark a little, but not bad
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| 08:53 | she knows when it's night time, cuz the barking is very quiet
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| 08:53 | <joebob777as7> ogra so what was the issue? if i update my server it'll just work!?
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| 08:54 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Great... Gelatina is just learnning that!
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| 08:55 | <ogra_> joebob777as7: rebuild zour client environment with the recent ltsp-build-client
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:56 | <joebob777as7> awesome! so update server then ltsp-build-client... cool
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| 08:56 | morning sbalneav .
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| 08:56 | do either of you guys have any issues with black screen after login?
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> No
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| 08:57 | <jammcq> Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq
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| 08:57 | <joebob777as7> weird it's happened to me twice on two different installs randomly i'll get a black scree with a mouse. i'll run updates and try again.
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| 08:58 | <Guaraldo> Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> Morninf Guaraldo
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| 09:00 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Look this: http://guaraldo.homelinux.org:8080/fotos/Gelatina1
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> Guaraldo: New puppy?
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| 09:02 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Yep... Gelatina is her name...
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> Cool.
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| 09:03 | <joebob777as7> another question is there currently support for local plug+play devices ie a thumb drive?
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| 09:03 | <Guaraldo> Gelatina is that sweet that the people get in the hospital after lunch, you know?
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| 09:04 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: yes.
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| 09:04 | * Guaraldo doesn't now the name in english... | |
| 09:04 | <jammcq> Gelatin
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| 09:04 | <jammcq> it's neither masculine nor feminin here :)
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| 09:05 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, any idea why when i plugged in my thumb drive nothing happened on my client but when i plugged it in the server it showed up on my client?
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> You using gutsy?
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| 09:05 | <joebob777as7> yes
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| 09:06 | think usb just didn't get recognized on that box?
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> Possible.
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| 09:06 | !localdev
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| 09:06 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> See link #4 there
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| 09:07 | <joebob777as7> ok thx. i'm heading down to the server in about an hour i'll check it out then and jump on here. tty all later
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| 10:41 | <masus> hi all , after "ltsp-build-client --base /usr/opt/ltsp/" i get an error message like this --> I: Found additional base dependencies: libgcrypt11 libgpg-error0 liblzo1 libopen
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| 10:41 | E: Interrupt caught ... exiting
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| 10:41 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 10:42 | on debian 2.6.18
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| 10:42 | <sbalneav> What happens if you just let it build in /opt/ltsp?
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| 10:42 | <masus> i have no space left
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| 10:42 | <masus> on /
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| 10:43 | <sbalneav> create a link from /opt to /usr/opt?
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| 10:43 | <masus> u think this wll solve the problem
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| 10:43 | ok i'll try
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| 10:43 | one mom
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| 10:43 | <sbalneav> I'm just trying to determine if we've got a hardcoded something in the script that doesn't like /usr/opt
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| 10:44 | or wether you've got another problem
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| 10:45 | <masus> hmm
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| 10:45 | ok one mom ...
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| 10:48 | <masus> nothing change , but i have another question, what have todo if i can't login from a client to the ltsp-server,
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| 10:48 | the login page is always reloading
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| 10:50 | login window
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| 10:51 | <sbalneav> you probably need to do an ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 10:51 | <masus> ok thanks so much sbalneav...
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> heh. X.org 7.2-something in debian detected thi video card (i810) just fine, but X.org 7.3-something seems to think it's just a plain ol vesa, and fails miserably.
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| 12:19 | maybe i should actually try again with 7.2, if i can find it.
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| 12:22 | <sbalneav> Hmm, is the intel driver in Debian?
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| 12:22 | You'd figure it'd use that.
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> i'm pretty sure it used the i810 driver last week, but this week it's picking vesa
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| 12:23 | <sbalneav> weeeeiiird
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| 12:23 | * vagrantc wonders why on earth gimp-dbg was installed | |
| 12:25 | <ogra1> 7.3 should use -intel
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| 12:27 | <masus> is there a default window manager in ltsp-build-clients , like xfce or kde
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> ogra1: xserver-xorg-video-intel includes the i810 driver
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| 12:28 | <masus> or have to install it seperately
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> ltsp-build-client doesn't install a window manager
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| 12:28 | by default
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| 12:28 | <sbalneav> masus: No, no window manager is installed in the chroot, as it normally runs on the server.
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> typically you want to install that on your server
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| 12:28 | <ogra1> vagrantc: hmm ? they are separate packages for me
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| 12:28 | <masus> hmm
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> ogra1: big surprise :P
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| 12:29 | <ogra1> i810 also needs 915resolution (which is an evil hack)
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| 12:29 | <masus> have anybody documentation to install xfce for ltsp
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| 12:29 | <ogra1> -intelb doesnt
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> ogra1: well, in an fresh sid install from yesterday, it only pulled in -intel package, and the -intel package claims to include the i810 driver.
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| 12:30 | <ogra1> strange
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| 12:30 | * vagrantc doesn't find it particularly strange | |
| 12:31 | * ogra1 does .... but then there are a lot of things i find strange and you might not :) | |
| 12:32 | <vagrantc> if there's anything i'm not surprised by, it's differences in packaging between ubuntu and debian :P
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| 12:33 | <ogra1> well, we pull from experimental
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| 12:33 | <ibt> in ltsp-5, what settings impact server performance the most?
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| 12:33 | <ogra1> and only apply new upstream patches where needed
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| 12:33 | so its weird that the packaging differs
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| 12:33 | <masus> i have installed xfce but i do not know how to implement with ltsp
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| 12:34 | <ogra1> you should see it in teh list in the login manager
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| 12:35 | <masus> hmmm i'll try
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| 12:35 | is this important Checking xdmcp...........Found: none!
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> not with ltsp5
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| 12:36 | <ogra1> where does this message come from ?
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| 12:36 | <masus> i do not know which version ,i have do apt-get install ltsp-server
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| 12:36 | from ltspadmin
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> masus: that's ltsp5
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| 12:36 | no
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| 12:37 | <ogra1> ltspadmin isnt ltsp5
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> masus: ltspadmin and ltsp-server are incompatible
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| 12:37 | <masus> oooo
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> ltsp-server is ltsp5, and ltspadmin is ltsp 4.x
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| 12:37 | don't use them both
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| 12:37 | <masus> so i do apt-get remove ltsp-server
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| 12:37 | and go on ?
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> masus: what distro are you using ?
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| 12:38 | <masus> Linux den.local 2.6.18-ipset #1 Thu Sep 6 13:53:59 CEST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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| 12:38 | <vagrantc> debian etch, ubuntu, etc. ?
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| 12:38 | <masus> debian
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| 12:38 | <vagrantc> etch ?
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| 12:38 | !debian
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| 12:38 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 12:38 | <masus> yes
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> after a little more work on debian sid ltsp packages, i need to work on a backport to etch ...
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| 12:39 | <masus> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso
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| 12:39 | this one
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> yes, etch.
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| 12:39 | <masus> are u the programmer of ltsp
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| 12:39 | or one of them
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> masus: see that URL above ? that provides some documentation of installing LTSP5 on etch
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| 12:40 | masus: i've been the primary developer for LTSP in debian for the last year or so
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| 12:40 | <masus> i have look at this but , have problems to install
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| 12:40 | i get error messages
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| 12:40 | so i have install it with ltsp-utils
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| 12:40 | but i'll try again
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> ok, well, i don't know much of anything about ltsp-utils
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| 12:41 | but i'm very familiar with LTSP5
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| 12:41 | <masus> ok
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| 12:41 | <vagrantc> masus: what kinds of problems did you have ?
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| 12:42 | <masus> I: Found additional base dependencies: libgcrypt11 libgpg-error0 liblzo1 libopen
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| 12:42 | E: Interrupt caught ... exiting
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| 12:42 | something like this after "ltsp-build-client"
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> masus: which mirror did you use ?
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| 12:43 | <masus> the default one
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| 12:43 | i ll paste one mom
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 12:43 | !pastebot
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| 12:43 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 12:43 | <masus> no sorry without mirror
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| 12:44 | only ltsp-build-client
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> masus: if you could paste a log of your build, that would be helpful
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| 12:44 | <masus> but i understand now , what was wrong i have use both of them 4.3 and 5
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 12:44 | <masus> 4.2
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> that will cause problems.
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| 12:44 | <masus> and now i'll do all reinstall
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| 12:44 | <masus> and try again
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| 12:45 | <ogra1> !muecow
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| 12:45 | <ltspbot`> ogra1: Error: "muecow" is not a valid command.
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| 12:45 | <masus> thanks for your nice help
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| 12:45 | <ogra1> bah
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> otavio: !muekow
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| 12:45 | oops
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| 12:45 | !muekow
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| 12:45 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "muekow" is MueKow represents the future of LTSP. Using the packages available in the distribution, an LTSP client is build locally, and supported by the distribution. You can see the future at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
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| 12:45 | <ogra1> kow ???
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| 12:45 | masus: see that wikipage to read about the massive difference between 4 and 5 :)
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> otavio: i'm wondering if we can't get an updated ltsp in etch, that adds a conflict with ltsp-utils
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| 12:46 | otavio: because it causes all sorts of problems
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| 12:46 | otavio: well, really it would probably be spelled "moo-cow"
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| 12:46 | gah
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| 12:46 | ogra: well, really it would probably be spelled "moo-cow"
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| 12:46 | <otavio> vagrantc: I think that you might ask RM people about it
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| 12:46 | vagrantc: it does looks right to me
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| 12:47 | <sbalneav> Old joke is ooooooold. :)
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> otavio: just debian-release, or is there a different group for stable RM ?
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| 12:50 | <otavio> vagrantc: debian-release but that the message [SRM] which means Stable Release Management
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| 16:05 | <vagrantc> so, made some debian etch backports of newer ltsp ... but it's sure behaving strangely with this intel card.
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| 16:05 | odd thing is, with xdebconfigurator, these work just fine.
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| 16:06 | on etch
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| 16:20 | <vagrantc> i should test with another system to see if it works at all.
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| 16:23 | <klausade> vagrantc:you know how I can pass nic options to the thinclients kernel? I need to tell my compaq T30 to use avoid_D3=1 for the via-rhine NIC.
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> klausade: you could set up a different pxe boot menu for it
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| 16:24 | klausade: i think it's also possible through dhcp, but i'm not really sure.
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> hmmm... seems like mknbi/mkelf isn't getting installed or isn't working or something
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| 16:32 | gah. the third box i tried also has one of these intel cards :(
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| 16:34 | <vagrantc> ah, scotty changed the mkelf code ... that's why nbi stuff isn't happening.
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> yeah, for the backport, i think we need to support the xdebconfigurator stuff
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| 16:40 | klausade: you were rearing to test backports, no? :)
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| 16:44 | <klausade> vagrantc: yes! I'll test any backport you make.
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| 16:45 | <vagrantc> klausade: deb http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/debian etch-backports/
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| 16:45 | klausade: i haven't seen X work yet... but the first few machines i've tried all have similar video cards
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| 16:48 | <klausade> vagrantc: yeah, X is a devilish thing. I have 750 clients, all came up with 1024x768 when running ltsp4.2. With ltsp5, trying both with and without xdebconfigurator only half comes up as expected, the rest comes up with either too low, or too high resolution, or none at all :-(
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| 16:49 | <klausade> vagrantc: good night.
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| 17:52 | <joebob777as7_> ogra or sbalneav you on?
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| 17:52 | when i try to run compiz it's now telling me that there is no whitelisted driver available then it reverts back to metacity
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| 17:56 | I'm also getting a black screen with cursor only after logging out of my administrator account and log back in. I have to reboot the server then i can log back in
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| 19:26 | <ari_stress> morning
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| 19:28 | <joebob777as7_> evening
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| 20:55 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 20:56 | <rjune> !s
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| 20:56 | <ltspbot`> rjune: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:10 | <Q-FUNK> beeeeeeeeeeam me up :)
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| 21:31 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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