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Channel log from 16 August 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:46 | <wfamy> hello
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| 03:55 | <wfamy> I install LTSP5 under a debian etch install. X work , i canot login under ldm , i install icewm and kdm kde , i can connect kdm under icewm but i canot white anything on my /home. I tell readonly but my /export say rw. any idea?
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| 05:17 | <Jenna> hey all ! just needed to know if s/w patch support for K12ltsp has been dropped or what ?
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| 05:28 | <ogra> Jenna, if you mean ltsp5 support, nobody stepped up the last two years to port it to redhat yet ...
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| 05:28 | i cant say anything about k12 itself, but i know eric harrison is extremly busy with his job
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| 05:39 | <Jenna> hmm
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| 05:40 | no the thing is for couple of months now all of my k12ltsp servers stopped yum updating anything
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| 05:40 | so I guess it related to k12ltsp and not ltsp
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| 05:40 | but since k12ltsp is packages with ltsp , I thought I might ask this in here
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| 05:53 | anyone who can speak on behalf of k12ltsp ?
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| 06:07 | <cliebow> Jenna:i guess not...
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| 06:17 | <Jenna> hey cliebow
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| 06:17 | btw I have noticed the patch that k12ltsp5 search for yum are also screwy
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| 06:18 | and the FC5 has been removed from most of the repos
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| 06:36 | <jammcq> \names
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| 06:37 | <ogra> and dates
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| 06:37 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 06:37 | <ogra> hey hey
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| 06:37 | <jammcq> ogra: scotty get you all squared away with the build problems of yesterday?
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| 06:37 | * ogra finally got scotts stuff building | |
| 06:38 | <ogra> not all of them, but fixing the remaining things was trivial enough
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| 06:38 | <jammcq> great
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| 06:38 | <ogra> we have session and lang selection back :)
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| 06:38 | and we have a hardcoded failsafe xterm session now :)
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| 06:39 | so if nothing works, this will ...
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| 06:43 | <jammcq> where does that give you an xterm, into the server?
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| 06:44 | <ogra> yep
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| 06:44 | as long as xterm is in PATH
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| 06:44 | <jammcq> cool
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| 07:30 | <ByPasS> gmorning every1
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| 07:31 | <Guaraldo> Morning
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| 07:35 | <ByPasS> Guaraldo : you have an idea who could give me hint about using the XF86CONFIG_FILE directive in lts.conf ?
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| 07:36 | the edubuntu states to put the custom file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc , did that but when the client boots it gives me an error
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| 07:36 | tried to put in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11 same result
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| 07:37 | <Guaraldo> ByPasS: Why do you need this option?
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| 07:40 | <ogra> ByPasS, which release ?
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| 07:49 | <ByPasS> im using ltsp5 with debian etch
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| 07:49 | <ogra> whats the line for XF86CONFIG_FILE in your lts.conf looking like ?
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| 07:50 | <ByPasS> XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config.lt01
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| 07:50 | XF86Config.lt01 is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 07:51 | Gua : Im testing a new thinclient (bosanova rbt-366) and it uses an AMD vid cardf
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| 07:51 | I had to install xserver-xorg-video-amd
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| 07:52 | now i get a display but it fails to auto prob my monitor using that xserver (odd)
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| 07:52 | <ogra> your line should be: XF86CONFIG_FILE = /etc/XF86Config.lt01
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| 07:53 | the path for the file needs to be relative to the chroot
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| 07:53 | <ByPasS> oh
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| 07:54 | Ill try that, the edubuntu doc misleaded me
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| 07:56 | <ogra> which doc was that
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| 07:56 | <ByPasS> mind if i paste the url ?
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| 07:57 | <ogra> the shipped doc in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz says "relative to /opt/ltsp/$ARCH" in the comments to the var
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| 07:57 | please paste it
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| 07:57 | <ByPasS> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-client.html
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| 07:58 | <ogra> right, thats wrong
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| 07:58 | i'll take care it gets fixed, thanks for the pointer
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| 07:58 | <ByPasS> well thanks to you :)
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| 08:34 | <billguedes> hi all
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| 08:35 | <junix-br> hello bill
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| 08:35 | billguedes, :)
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| 08:39 | billguedes, are you there?
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| 08:40 | <billguedes> i cannot access the local devices on ltsp 4.2
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| 08:41 | cdrom for example
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| 08:42 | i flow the document in http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalMedia, but not sucess :-(
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| 08:43 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: http://www.golem.de/0708/54153.html <-- think thats what for you :-)
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| 08:46 | <ogra> K_O-Gnom, yeah, the open community servers :)
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| 08:46 | thats what you get if everyone has access
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| 08:46 | <K_O-Gnom> every one has access to that servers? so everybody can do everything?
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| 08:47 | <ogra> these are the servers where community devs can do testbuilds etc
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| 08:48 | <K_O-Gnom> billguedes: i want to visit your link and the wiki told me that there iss no wiki entry ..
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| 08:48 | ogra: ok ...
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| 08:48 | <ogra> not *everybody* but its easy to get into the ubuntu-members team which is the base for access here
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| 08:48 | !troubleshooting
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| 08:48 | <ltspbot> ogra: "troubleshooting" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting
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| 08:48 | <ogra> billguedes, ^^^^ try that one
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| 08:49 | <K_O-Gnom> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting
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| 08:49 | thats what i found
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| 08:49 | <ogra> right
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| 08:50 | K_O-Gnom, all these servers are not even accessible by canonical people btw, the community maintains them, canonical sponsors one or the other though
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| 08:51 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: thats what i tought ... the power and hardware is payed by canonical and others use them :-)
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| 08:51 | <ogra> right
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| 08:52 | <K_O-Gnom> crab the gentoo-wiki dont work ..
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| 08:52 | * ogra jus uploaded the latest ldm code to gutsy ... | |
| 08:52 | <ogra> time for a break
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| 08:53 | <billguedes> ok
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| 08:54 | i didn't read all document
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| 08:54 | sorry
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| 08:56 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: did you know wich websites and so is running at that servers?
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| 08:59 | <billguedes> and about ltsp 5, there can i find document?
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| 09:02 | <EXP2> I have ltsp5 running and after logout mouse cursor disappear. Any suggestions?
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| 09:08 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: i figured out how i can set $ESPEAKER on gentoo for every user :-)
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| 09:11 | <Blinny> Wow. So I think bonobo has created 18000+ /tmp/orbit-{USERNAME}-{HEXCODE} socket handling files when FreeNX didn't play right.
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| 09:19 | <K_O-Gnom> is there a way to get the hostname of the client into a variable on the server?
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| 09:20 | <ByPasS> K_O : U can make your dhcpd to assign a static ip to a client (based on its mac address)
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| 09:20 | K_O : then u can add that ip in /etc/hosts with a name of your choice
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| 09:21 | <billguedes> EXP2, which document do you used?
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| 09:21 | <K_O-Gnom> ByPasS: thats what im doin at the moment but i want to create a login script on the server wich automaticaly exports $ESPEAKER with the right ip/hosname ..
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| 09:21 | +t
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| 09:25 | so is there a way to do that?
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| 09:25 | <ByPasS> K_O : I beleive you can use the LDM_REMOTECMD directive in lts.conf for that
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| 09:26 | <K_O-Gnom> ByPasS: is that available on 4.1 ltsp??
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| 09:28 | <ByPasS> K_O : good question I'm fairly new to ltsp and only used v5 so far
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| 09:28 | K_O : but id guess so since lts.conf is no longer required (dunno if it was before) in version 5
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| 09:29 | <K_O-Gnom> ByPasS: on gentoo there is atm only 4.2 available so i use that ..
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| 09:29 | <ByPasS> K_O : if the LDM_REMOTECMD doesnt work you can also try RCFILE_01 directive as well
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| 09:30 | <K_O-Gnom> and i think there MUST be a way to get the ip/hostname into an variable .. but atm i not figured out which name it have ..
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| 09:31 | ByPasS: the script must run on the server not on the WS .. because the $ESPEAKER must be set on the server (with the .bashrc i can set it staticaly but i want it dynamicaly that more than one user can use one or more WSs ..
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| 09:36 | <billguedes> is good the ltsp 5?
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| 09:50 | <Blinny> ByPasS: $LTSP_CLIENT is the hostname of the client on the server side.
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| 09:50 | er
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| 09:50 | K_O-Gnom: $LTSP_CLIENT is the hostname of the client on the server side.
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| 10:03 | <exodos> K_O-Gnom: $ESPEAKER should be exported by default in ltsp5 if you use esd or pulseaudio as sound daemon
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| 10:12 | <K_O-Gnom> exodos: i dont have 5.0 ltsp i have 4.2 ltsp
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| 10:13 | Blinny: $LTSP_CLIENT is only set ones or is it set for the X session?
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| 10:27 | <exodos> I want to overwrite one common ltsp5 build plugin with my custom one. Will it be enough to just copy this file to /etc/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client and change what i want? Can i change the name of this file?
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> exodus, ogra: I found reference to that bug Im seeing with the processes not dying: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/90258
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| 10:38 | for what its worth
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| 10:50 | <Blinny> K_O-Gnom: I don't understand your question.
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| 11:12 | <K_O-Gnom> Blinny: you said that the var $LTSP_CLIENT containes the ip adress from the client. i that var globaly set once or is it set for every X-Session that connects to the X Server
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| 11:21 | http://dubyasong.ytmnd.com/ <--funny
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| 11:58 | * vagrantc wonders how to get ltsp-drivers to no longer be responsible for sabayon | |
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| 12:12 | <Blinny> K_O-Gnom: $LTSP_CLIENT contains the hostname
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| 12:12 | K_O-Gnom: I believe it is set once.
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| 12:12 | K_O-Gnom: (though others in this room would know for certain)
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| 13:16 | <ByPasS_> I'm trying to get this geode (amd) based thinclient with my ltsp5 installation. I could'nt get a display to work properly with the autodetection (had to restart xserver multiple times to get a display) once in X I had more glitches. I did some datamining on the thinclient and figured it was using xserver-xorg-video-amd. chroot then apt-get installed it and did set XSERVER = amd in my lts.conf file. With those operation, my display problems were fixed. But
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| 13:21 | <K_O-Gnom> Blinny: but if it set once how dos X server know when more than one client logs in where it has to send the output?
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> ByPasS_: I dont know what the but is, but if the but is that you dont get a high resolution, try adding: XORG_SYNC_RANGES=Y
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| 13:22 | to lts.conf
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| 13:24 | <ByPasS_> Gadi : well if i remove the XSERVER = amd I see it tries to launch LDM then the screen blanks. by restarting xserver multiples times sometimes it doesnt blackout (odd) and Im in 1024x768
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| 13:25 | <ByPasS_> Gadi : but as I said, removing xserver = amd makes the background inexistant and leaves a trail if i move windows around once logged in
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| 13:25 | Gadi : let me try the XORG_SYNC sec
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| 13:25 | <Gadi> ByPasS_: the amd driver is a bit slow to initialize
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| 13:25 | but, it gets there, usually
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| 13:26 | <ByPasS_> on debian in was in unstable i did chroot then apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-amd
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| 13:26 | <Gadi> the main geode issue that I have yet to resolve on the gx's is usplash (boot splash)
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| 13:27 | i have to turn it off for it to boot all the way through
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| 13:27 | <ByPasS_> gadi : I got a rbt-366 here
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| 13:27 | gadi : i think its gx2 based ?
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| 13:27 | <Gadi> then, it could be the same chipset
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| 13:27 | did you have to turn off bootsplash?
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| 13:28 | <ByPasS_> gadi : i didnt, all i did is set to net boot in its bios
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| 13:28 | <Gadi> (ie does it sometimes get stuck at the end of the bootsplash and not continue)
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| 13:28 | ah
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| 13:28 | try disabling the bootsplash, as well, then. You may get more consistent results
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| 13:29 | Ubuntu, for some reason, also does not blacklist the gxfb
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| 13:29 | (like it does for almost all other framebuffers)
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| 13:29 | including gx1fb
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| 13:29 | lol
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| 13:29 | <ByPasS_> what is odd is if i remove the xserver = amd, it is in 1024x768 (default)
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| 13:29 | <Gadi> But, even with the gxfb disabled, usplash is not happy
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| 13:30 | why is that odd?
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| 13:30 | <ByPasS_> well why setting xserver = amd would make ltsp to auto detect a 15inch monitor and set 800x600
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| 13:30 | <Gadi> its not ltsp its the amd driver
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| 13:30 | 1 sec
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| 13:30 | ph call
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| 13:31 | <ByPasS_> oh kk ill try the sync thing
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> back - so...
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| 13:32 | the amd driver sucks at detecting the horizontal/vertical sync frequencies
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| 13:32 | and the default mode that it usually can fall back on is 800x600
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| 13:32 | by adding XORG_SYNC_RANGES=Y
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| 13:32 | to lts.conf
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| 13:33 | you tell it to print the frequencies in the xorg.conf file that gets generated
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| 13:33 | with them explicitly declared, the amd driver is better
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| 13:33 | and now can access higher res modes
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| 13:35 | sorry, to be clear, XORG_SYNC_RANGES tells dpkg to print the frequencies in the xorg.conf that it generates explicitly
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| 13:36 | as dpkg is the method used (at least in Ubuntu's LTSP in Feisty) to generate the xorg.conf
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| 13:36 | <ByPasS_> debian too ?
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| 13:36 | <Gadi> im not sure
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| 13:37 | if vagrantc is around, he would know better
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> debian uses xdebconfigurator + dexconf
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> by default
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| 13:37 | <ByPasS_> I added the xorg_sync_ranges and still 800x600 umm
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> do you know any hacks to get them to print the frequencies in the xorg.conf file?
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> the new x configuration stuff didn't work for debian at all :(
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| 13:38 | Gadi: what do you mean by frequencies ?
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> horizontal/vertical
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc> like 800x600, 1024x768, etc ?
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> the amd driver likes them explicitly declared in xorg.conf
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| 13:38 | no
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| 13:38 | HorizSync
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> VertRefresh
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| 13:39 | <vagrantc> set HORZSYNC and VERTREFRESH
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> right. that will work for one monitor ;)
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| 13:39 | * vagrantc looks at the init scripts | |
| 13:40 | <Gadi> Blinny: try: X_HORZSYNC=30-80
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| 13:40 | <vagrantc> in my experience, xdebconfigurator always sets the values so that those get set
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> and: X_VERTREFRESH=60-80
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| 13:40 | and see if the resolution's better
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| 13:41 | sorry, ByPasS_
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| 13:41 | * ByPasS_ trying | |
| 13:41 | <vagrantc> gah. X configuration needs a total overhaul.
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> vagrantc: why didnt configure-x.sh work on debian?
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| 13:42 | <vagrantc> Gadi: no idea.
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> does: X -configure?
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> Gadi: it seemed to hang the machine, though.
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| 13:43 | only tried it on one machine
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| 13:43 | <Blinny> Gadi: Try it yourself! ;)
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> heh
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> at any rate, i think we should have an X_CONFIG_SCRIPT or some such to more easily define that stuff.
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| 13:44 | that way we can hook whatever we want in.
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> vagrantc: does debian run anything on display :1 by default?
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> Gadi: define "by default" ?
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| 13:44 | <ByPasS_> gadi : i checked in the bios and setting the net boot seems to auto disable the splash it was set to disabled
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> vagrantc: on a thin client
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i think LDM is configured to run on tty7 with :6 by default.
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> ByPasS_: I meant remove the bootsplash
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| 13:45 | in pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 13:45 | take out "splash"
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| 13:46 | vagrantc: ok. that script (configure-x.sh) does X -configure :1
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| 13:46 | so, I thought that might cause your sys to hang
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| 13:46 | actually, it does Xorg -configure :1
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| 13:47 | <ByPasS_> gadi : so basicly at this point my prob is linked with debian in a way right ?
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> not really
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| 13:47 | i dont think
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| 13:48 | the problem is just not getting a higher resolution, right?
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| 13:48 | <vagrantc> next time i try configure-x.sh i'm going to comment out that "clear" line.
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| 13:48 | <ByPasS_> Gadi : yup
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| 13:49 | Gadi : well yes, using xserver = amd
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> set the horizontal/vertical syncs
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| 13:49 | <ByPasS_> did no go
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> did you try that?
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| 13:49 | X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH
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| 13:49 | <ByPasS_> yes both
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:49 | <ByPasS_> i did grab the XF86Config from the thinclient itself
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| 13:49 | to figure out it was using xserver amd
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> you may need the actual numbers from your monitor
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| 13:51 | <ByPasS_> gadi : if i boot the unit normally (no pxe) it gets in X in 1280 res fine
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| 13:51 | (the rbt-366 is a linux thin)
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| 13:51 | <Gadi> ByPasS_: you can always copy that XF86Config file
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| 13:51 | to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 13:52 | say, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/xorg.geode.conf
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| 13:52 | and then put: XF86CONFIG_FILE=/etc/xorg.geode.conf
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| 13:52 | in lts.conf
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| 13:52 | <ByPasS_> it wont even get to LDM (i tried)
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| 13:52 | let me retry tho
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| 13:52 | <Gadi> LDM will take about a minute or so to come up on that thin client I bet
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| 13:53 | you should wait ;)
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| 13:53 | <ByPasS_> ok im retrying then
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| 13:53 | <Gadi> part of the latest dev work was redoing LDM in C
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| 13:53 | to make it much faster
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| 13:55 | <ByPasS_> gadi : so i only leave the XF86_CONFIG directive in lts.conf ?
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> what did i miss ?
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| 13:56 | <ByPasS_> vagrant : i was able to grab the XF86 conf from the thinclient itself
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| 13:56 | trying to set it with XF86CONFIG directive atm
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> be sure to spell it right
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| 13:57 | XF86CONFIG_FILE
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| 13:57 | <ByPasS_> yup rebooting client
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> right
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| 14:00 | <ByPasS_> got to text login prompt cursor blinking
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> ogra: how does gutsy's LTSP handle XF86CONFIG_FILE ?
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| 14:32 | as far as i can tell, it's not used anywhere.
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| 15:03 | <ogra> vagrantc, sbalneav changed the name to XORG_CONF
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| 15:03 | i'll fix that
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| 15:04 | <ogra> wasnt in my focus to get in before feature freeze
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| 15:07 | <JDGoddard> Hi all
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| 15:08 | Could use a little help if possible
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| 15:09 | I'm a new admin at a school with an already mlamentedLTSP
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| 15:09 | We put in a new set of switches to give the terminals Gb peeds back to the server
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| 15:10 | Something broke and now my clients cannot connect to the tftp server
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| 15:10 | <ByPasS_> is the server running ?
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| 15:10 | <JDGoddard> This is likely NOT due to the hardwareeehang but with my mucking around in the configs
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| 15:10 | It's the smae as the dhcp so yes
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| 15:12 | <ByPasS_> JDGoddard : netstat -lnp | grep ":69"
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| 15:13 | <JDGoddard> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 1890/xinetd
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| 15:13 | [root@hslnxts01 JDGoddard]# cat /etc/services |grep tftp
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| 15:13 | tftp 69/tcp
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| 15:13 | tftp 69/udp
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| 15:13 | tftp-mcast 1758/tcp
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| 15:13 | tftp-mcast 1758/udp
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| 15:13 | mtftp 1759/udp
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| 15:13 | subntbcst_tftp 247/tcp # SUBNTBCST_TFTP
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| 15:14 | subntbcst_tftp 247/udp # SUBNTBCST_TFTP
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| 15:14 | etftp 1818/tcp # Enhanced Trivial File Transfer Protocol
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| 15:14 | etftp 1818/udp # Enhanced Trivial File Transfer Protocol
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| 15:14 | tftps 3713/tcp # TFTP over TLS
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| 15:14 | tftps
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| 15:14 | Looks ok right?
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| 15:14 | <ogra> !pastebot
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| 15:14 | <ltspbot> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:14 | <JDGoddard> Sorry
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| 15:15 | <ByPasS_> whats the error msg ?
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| 15:16 | as it seems to be running accordning to netstat
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| 15:20 | <ltsppbot> Someone pasted "Output of /var/log/messages" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/276
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| 15:21 | <JDGoddard> That's me
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| 15:44 | <K_O-Gnom> hmm did anybody know where on the server i can find the hostname/ip-adress of the client? (in a var)
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| 15:48 | <ogra> ogra@laptop:~/devel/gutsy-ltsp$ IP=$(ip -o -f inet addr show | sed -e 's,.* \(.*\)/.*,\1,' | grep -v '^127')
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| 15:48 | ogra@laptop:~/devel/gutsy-ltsp$ echo $IP
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| 15:48 | 192.168.0.254 192.168.2.35
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| 15:48 | K_O-Gnom, ^^^
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| 15:50 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: what?
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| 15:50 | <ogra> that line gets you the IPs
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| 15:51 | there is no variable
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| 15:51 | <K_O-Gnom> hmm whats with $DISPLAY ?
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| 15:51 | ther iss the host name but wit :0.0
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| 15:51 | <ogra> for 4.2 that might work
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| 15:51 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: im on 4.2 ...
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| 15:52 | and i need the ip from the client where i actual loged in not all ..
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| 15:52 | <ogra> so use it
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| 15:52 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: ok ähm ho can i spit it that i only have the hostname without :0.0 ?
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| 15:54 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: ok ähm ho can i spit it that i only have the hostname without :0.0 ?
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| 15:54 | s/ho/how
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| 15:54 | <ogra_> echo $DISPLAY|cut -d':' -f1
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| 15:55 | <K_O-Gnom> so $HOSTNAME_CLIENT=$DISPLAY|cut -d':' -f1 is that what i need?
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| 15:56 | <K_O-Gnom> ? sound
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| 15:57 | <ogra_> no
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| 15:57 | $HOSTNAME_CLIENT=$(echo $DISPLAY|cut -d':' -f1)
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| 15:57 | err
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| 15:57 | HOSTNAME_CLIENT=$(echo $DISPLAY|cut -d':' -f1)
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| 15:57 | now it works
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| 15:57 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra_: great THANKS to you
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| 16:03 | <K_O-Gnom> how can i test that esd sound daemon is running?
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| 16:03 | <ogra_> ps ax|grep esd :)
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| 16:05 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra_: ther is only grep --colour=auto esd as output so i think its not running ..
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| 16:06 | <ogra_> ps ax|grep esd |grep -v grep
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| 16:06 | that will suppress al grep's in the processlist
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| 16:07 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra_: so nothing comes out ..
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| 16:08 | * ogra_ has no clue how sound handling was implemented in the old days beyond knowing it used esd on the client | |
| 16:09 | <K_O-Gnom> the bootup dialog tells me unknown value for SOUND_DAEMON [ESD] some idea?
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| 16:14 | <ogra_> nope
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| 16:15 | <ogra> erm, do you really use ESD for the value ? that shouldnt be capitalized
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| 16:21 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: yes i realized that ..
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| 16:21 | ogra: how i have to change that? $ESPEAKER="${SOUNDSERVER_HOST}:16001" that it workes?
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| 16:22 | <ogra> no idea, really
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| 16:22 | <K_O-Gnom> atm i only get :16001 in the $ESPEAKER var ..
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| 16:22 | <ogra> ltsp5 uses alsa emulation on top of a pulseaudio stream ... ask me something about that :P
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| 16:24 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: i only wanna know how i can fill the var $ESPEAKER with the content of $SOUNDSERVER_HOST ..
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| 16:24 | <ogra> well SOUNDSERVER_HOST should be the clients IP i guess
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| 16:25 | <K_O-Gnom> yes filled with your little script sniplet .
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| 16:26 | <ogra> and indeed esd must run on the client and listen to tcp connections ...
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| 16:27 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: its all ok with esd i only whant to fix my script wich sets $ESPEAKER that dont work
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| 16:32 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: k now works ther was an error while i set the host var ..
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| 16:33 | <vagrantc> ogra: i think we should just call it X_CONF
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| 16:33 | ogra: but he didn't really change it, from what i could read
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| 16:33 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, i think we should stop confusing people by changing var names :)
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| 16:34 | no, he implemented it in the new infrastructure with this name
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| 16:34 | but the old var should still work, i cant remember removing its code
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| 16:35 | <ogra> oh, crap
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> ogra: yes, and if you change it to XORG_CONF then it won't make sense if we switch away from X.org
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| 16:35 | <ogra> indeed, its only a subfunction of configure_x
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 16:36 | <ogra> i need to put that on my TODO ...
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| 16:36 | thanks for pointing
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| 16:36 | inputattach is also out of the loop there ...
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> but i think we should call it X_CONFIG_FILE or X_CONF or something like that ... and add the backwards compatibility in ltsp_config
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| 16:36 | <ogra> well
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| 16:37 | <vagrantc> seems like configure_x is no longer used at all, and all of the functionality was not moved into the other init script
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| 16:37 | <ogra> the config script we use now can do all the old stuff did, apart from the override file and inputattach
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| 16:38 | plus serial touchpads (got that from Gadi yesterday)
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| 16:38 | whoever needs that ...
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| 16:39 | <ogra> btw, ldm2 should be pretty final now in gutsy ... feature freeze is in effect
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| 16:39 | i still havent played with the host selector yet ...
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> got it working with debian ... will try an experimental version sometime soon
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| 16:40 | upload to experimental, anyways
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| 16:40 | <ogra> but all features we had in old ldm are there now and we finally have a failsafe xterm session hardcoded
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| 16:40 | so as long as xterm is in PATH users can get in ...
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| 16:40 | even without proper Xsession scripts
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| 16:41 | * ogra also did the german translation for ldm2 today :) | |
| 16:41 | <ogra> sadly there are still some bugs in the gettext building stuff scott added
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| 16:41 | so translations arent used by the binary :(
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| 16:42 | but we'll sort that if scott is back from holiday
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| 16:43 | fgiraldeau is really hot on the loadbalancing topic ... we had to stop him from adding stuff we cant test yet :)
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| 16:43 | <ogra> gutsy+1 ldm should rock wrt loadbalancing
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| 16:46 | * vagrantc continues to grumble about sabayon | |
| 16:46 | <ogra> ah, come on
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| 16:46 | lets ask scott first
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| 16:46 | he might have had his reasons
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> it's just spam thus far
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| 16:47 | * ogra doesnt like to just remove without asking | |
| 16:47 | <ogra> well, its how many mails ? three ?
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> only about 20 in the past two days
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| 16:47 | <ogra> 20 ?
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| 16:48 | oh, i should look mor often in my bug folder :)
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> where on earth is it defined that ltsp-drivers gets spam from sabayon?
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| 16:49 | <ogra> one member of ltsp-drivers subscribed ltsp-drivers as main bug contact for sabayon
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| 16:49 | you can set hat on the sabayon page in lp
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| 16:49 | "bugmail settings"
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> the ltsp-drivers pages doesn't have any references to sabayon
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| 16:50 | <ogra> no
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| 16:50 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sabayon/+subscribe
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| 16:52 | <ogra> vagrantc, feel free to unsub ... but tell sbalneav
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| 16:52 | * vagrantc wonders what the "LTSPUbuntu" contact is | |
| 16:52 | <ogra> predates my time in ltsp
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| 16:53 | someone has set that u once
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| 16:53 | *up
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| 16:54 | https://launchpad.net/~ltspubuntu
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| 16:54 | heh, intresting
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| 16:54 | oh, and worst ... its an open team ...
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| 16:54 | anyone can join any time
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| 16:55 | scottie is in there
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| 16:55 | <ogra> oh, and me too ...
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| 16:55 | * ogra is surprised | |
| 16:55 | * ogra wonders in which other clubs he is without knowing ... | |
| 16:56 | <vagrantc> those are always fun
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| 16:56 | <whiprush_> I had a surprise visit from our local friends at Sun today ... wondering how our sunray labs were going.
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| 16:56 | They were dismayed to find LTSP labs in their place
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| 16:56 | <ogra> LOL
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> who was it more surprising for ?
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| 16:57 | <whiprush_> they didn't even know what ltsp was
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| 16:57 | I had to explain it to them
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| 16:57 | <ogra> :(
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| 16:57 | <ogra> we need more agressive advertising ...
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| 16:57 | <whiprush_> believe me, they're aware of what LTSP is now.
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| 16:57 | <ogra> heh
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| 16:59 | <whiprush_> It was great, they were like "So this comes built into the OS? And you have full vendor support?"
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| 16:59 | and I was like "Yep, it's awesome"
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| 16:59 | <ogra> you have full vendor support on suns even ;)
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| 16:59 | <whiprush_> yeah, but not on ubuntu
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| 16:59 | <ogra> canonical offers support for niagara ;)
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| 16:59 | <whiprush_> is ltsp on niagra supported? I didn't know
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| 17:00 | <ogra> and i seeno reason why i386 clients shouldnt run on a niagara :)
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| 17:00 | ah, well, i think its only the server
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| 17:00 | so desktop packages get no official support ...
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| 17:01 | <whiprush_> yeah I had to explain to them how huge LTSP is
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| 17:01 | they were quite surprised
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| 17:01 | <ogra> well, that shows that we urgently need more publicity ....
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| 17:02 | <whiprush_> indeed.
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| 17:02 | <ogra> but i count on ubuntu marketing here :)
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| 17:02 | we'll make them aware
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| 17:03 | <whiprush_> they took good notes
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| 17:03 | I told them they should just get rid of the proprietary server piece and make normal clients like everyone else
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| 17:03 | there's probably no reason opensolaris couldn't do ltsp5
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| 17:03 | <ogra> great, if they have any free code to offer to get the rays running, send it to me :)
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| 17:04 | <whiprush_> yeah, I have like a storage room full of the things
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| 17:04 | <ogra> right
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| 17:04 | <ogra> and there might be many people like you
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| 17:04 | <whiprush_> yep.
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| 17:04 | <ogra> even these thingies are beautiful, they are to big for a paperweight
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| 17:05 | <whiprush_> yeah, the new ones even come with dual-DVI and stuff
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| 17:06 | I rebooted a windows lab and then netbooted it into ltsp via our pxe menu
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| 17:06 | the ones with intel video
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| 17:06 | <ogra> getting ltsp5 on nexenta should be trivial btw
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| 17:06 | <whiprush_> and showed off the CAD working on the intel video
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| 17:06 | <ogra> woah
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| 17:07 | <whiprush_> that's when they were like ... "whoa"
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| 17:07 | <ogra> i can imagine :)
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| 17:07 | <whiprush_> they didn't know much about linux either.
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| 17:08 | Showed them all the java/eclipse/netbeans stuff
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| 17:08 | <ogra> are they locked in a cellar at sun or something ?
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| 17:08 | <whiprush_> apparently
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| 17:08 | <ogra> weird
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| 19:41 | <lns> ogra, I'm not able to get a ss of the edubuntu user mgr...it's on their old server install. But if you're confident that it was a UI only change between dapper / feisty, should i file a bug to get some things added to it?
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| 19:42 | i can see that there's already an LDAP user management in progress
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| 19:42 | but as it is, the users and groups gnome management tool is badly broken as far as my teachers are concerned, since there's no search/sort ability
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