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Channel log from 7 September 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:50 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 01:51 | <gnunux> hi
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| 01:54 | <muppis> Morning.
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| 06:22 | <AndyGraybeal> johnny: thank you for your response
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| 07:29 | <pmatulis> how does one customize the ldm login screen? a client wants to change this weekly
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| 07:39 | <peejee> someone here?
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| 07:40 | <pmatulis> no
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| 07:40 | <peejee> I have installed an ubuntu ltsp server in my school.
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| 07:40 | <elias_a> I second that.
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| 07:40 | Good for you!
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| 07:41 | <peejee> Most of the pc's work without problems
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| 07:41 | <elias_a> Now I am listening!
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| 07:41 | <peejee> but there is one kind that doesn't
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| 07:41 | they always block right after we login
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| 07:41 | <elias_a> Brand, type number?
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| 07:41 | <peejee> compaq evo 510
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| 07:42 | I made an lts.conf file
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| 07:42 | with the mac addresses of these pc's
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| 07:43 | and placed as XSERVER ="vesa"
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| 07:43 | <elias_a> Have you disabled Compiz?
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| 07:43 | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1091543.html
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| 07:43 | Let me see !compiz
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| 07:43 | <peejee> I did not enable compiz at all
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| 07:43 | <elias_a> No - I cannot do that :)
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| 07:44 | Do those machines run on local linux installation?
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| 07:44 | <peejee> bash: !compiz: event not found
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| 07:44 | !compiz
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| 07:44 | <ltspbot> peejee: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 07:45 | <peejee> they al work as ltsp-client
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| 07:45 | nothing is local installed
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| 07:47 | <elias_a> No, I meant are you able to get one of those work 100% if you install the same distribution on HDD in that machine?
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| 07:47 | <peejee> Compiz was installed, I did uninstall now
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| 07:47 | <elias_a> Ok .
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| 07:47 | That should get rid of most probs :)
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| 07:47 | <peejee> When I reboot now it should work? or do I have to rebuild my ltsp-image
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| 07:48 | <elias_a> Don't remember to be honest. Rebuild & boot.
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| 07:51 | <peejee> I'm trying right now
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| 07:53 | <peejee> it doesn't work
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| 07:54 | It's weird, I even hear the sound when logging in, but the cursor freeses before I get the desktop
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| 07:56 | <biomorph_> Hi All. I've just set up an LTSP server and when I try to log on I get the error message Failed password for invalid user ltsp from 192.168.0.23 port 51536 ssh in auth.log on the server.
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| 07:56 | Any idea what I've done wrong?
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| 07:57 | Is it worth updating ssh keys?
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| 07:57 | <peejee> updating the ssh key's was the solution for my setup a few days ago.
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| 07:58 | <pmatulis> biomorph_: did you change your IP address recently?
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| 07:59 | <biomorph_> pmatulis: No. It's a brand new build.
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| 07:59 | <pmatulis> biomorph_: strange
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| 07:59 | biomorph_: i would update the client image. i know it seems weird but it has helped me in the past with this kind of problem
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| 08:00 | <biomorph_> I've just run update-sshkeys, update-kernels and update-image.
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| 08:00 | <pmatulis> biomorph_: and still have the problem?
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| 08:00 | <peejee> brb
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| 08:02 | <biomorph_> pmatulis: Umm... I get further when I use a valid user name ;)
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| 08:03 | but I still can't log on.
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| 08:03 | <pmatulis> biomorph_: error?
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| 08:03 | <biomorph_> pmatulis: dbus-daemon: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.69" (uid=1002 pid=3211 comm="gnome-power-manager) interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.LaptopPanel" member="GetBrightness" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination=":1.74" (uid=0 pid=3235 comm="/usr/sbin/hald))
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| 08:04 | Sep 7 14:03:08 charles-laptop gnome-keyring-daemon[3186]: dbus failure unregistering from session: Connection is closed
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| 08:05 | Ah - logging on as a different user works.
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| 08:05 | <pmatulis> biomorph_: ok, weird
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| 08:05 | biomorph_: did you ever log in as the other user before?
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| 08:06 | <elias_a> Sorry - phone....
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| 08:06 | <pmatulis> elias_a: phone?
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| 08:07 | <biomorph_> pmatulis: No I just created the user. I've done su to that user with that password.
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| 08:07 | On the server that is.
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| 08:42 | <biomorph_> pmatulis: Thanks for your help. Can't explain what was happening. We are just testing the suitability of client machine and they seem to be working OK with one user name.
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| 08:44 | Really good clients, no fan, no hard disk so really low power utilisation.
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| 08:47 | <pmatulis> biomorph_: nice. but you're using one common username for all clients?
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| 08:48 | <biomorph_> pmatulis: No - I just set up the server to test. We know all the users work on the production server.
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| 11:08 | <elias_a> pmatulis: Phone caused the interruption and now I am elsewhere :D
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| 11:08 | <pmatulis> elias_a: ok
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| 11:49 | <abeehc-_> anyone know how i can check cups_server took from lts.conf on a booted client
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| 11:49 | or does that only apply to localapps anyway?
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| 11:59 | <litercola> Just curious what the difference in performance of an ltsp server is using 1 nic instead of 2?
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| 11:59 | Is it significant?
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| 12:05 | <alkisg> litercola: depending on the hardware (nics, pci-e bus...), the wiring & the configuration (just for internet or for bonding etc) it can vary from totally insignificant to doubling the network speed.
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| 12:06 | For the typical setup, 1 nic for ltsp clients and 1 for internet, it usually doesn't make any difference in speed at all
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| 12:07 | (unless your internet connection is more than 1% of the lan speed :))
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| 12:07 | <litercola> I have 2 gig nics in the server, gig switches, but the clients only have 100m cards, should i upgrade them?
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| 12:08 | <alkisg> You should definitely disable flow control, that gives you 10 times the speed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl
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| 12:08 | How many clients, and how many switches?
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| 12:09 | (and those 2 gig nics on the server, are they pci-e or plain pci?)
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| 12:10 | <litercola> pcie on the server, trafic goes through 2 switches at the most, 10 clients is all I will ever need, I think now I have 8
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> 8 clients x 100 mbps == at most 800 mbps
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| 12:10 | One nic is more than enough
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| 12:10 | But you definitely need to disable flow control, if your switch doesn't come with it disabled
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| 12:11 | Otherwise you'll get at most 100 mbps, even if the server is gig.
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| 12:11 | <litercola> good deal, with that example, you explained how I should be looking at this, I will check on the switches and look into disabling flow control
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| 12:11 | <alkisg> Of course if your switches are gigabit, then the easiest way is to put gig nics on the clients
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| 12:12 | With the best setup, you can get 2000 mbps out of the server
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| 12:12 | <litercola> right, thats what I figured too
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> So, either 100mbps with flow control = on, 800 mbps with flow control = off, or 2000 with some clever nic/switch setup + client nic upgrade
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> I'm writing a wiki page about troubleshooting tftp, can someone with Karmic or some previous Ubuntu version run the following commands?
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| 14:08 | grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 14:08 | cat /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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| 14:14 | <abeehc-_> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/NdCRiSKg
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> Thanks abeehc-_ :)
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| 14:24 | <abeehc-_> no worries.. 9.10 is identical
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| 14:42 | <anivair> a few days ago i was pointed to gPXE as a way to make some new thin clients boot (or to test them anyway). I'm hoping someone here knows which output format I'm looking for on that page (http://rom-o-matic.net/gpxe/gpxe-git/gpxe.git/contrib/rom-o-matic/)
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> anivair: what medium are you looking for? cd, floppy, usb stick, or a kernel?
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| 14:53 | <anivair> usb
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> OK, then download the usb keychain image
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| 14:54 | Leave the rest options as they are by default
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| 14:54 | <anivair> oh! How did I miss that? Now I feel like a daft end user. Sorry
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> np
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| 14:58 | <anivair> I should be able to test that tomorrow (flash drives finally arrived from the supplier)
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| 14:58 | thanks
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> Done writing the TFTP troubleshooting page for Ubuntu, if anyone likes to proofread it... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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| 15:12 | <johnny> alkisg, add mention of spurious block size options
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| 15:12 | people often think they are errors when they are just fine
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> johnny: where? on the client? or on daemon.log?
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| 15:12 | <johnny> daemon
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> Ah, didn't mention that at all, so I guess it's ok :P
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| 15:13 | :D do add it please, I didn't see those messages...
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| 15:13 | <johnny> no.. i mean some users see it with different hardware
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| 15:13 | i haven't seen it since replacing with newer hardware
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| 15:13 | i forget teh exact text
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| 15:14 | someting like tftp doesn't support options X
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> Client does not accept options?
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| 15:15 | Sep 6 10:58:41 alkis in.tftpd[4311]: tftp: client does not accept options
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| 15:15 | This one?
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| 15:50 | <poff> Hello, I am trying to do the same thing as in this post http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:oyWKbYy1H3IJ:www.opensource-archive.org/showthread.php%3Fp%3D216976+ltsp+firefox+association&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk . The guy could not use ltsp-remoteapps. I have the same problem. Has anyone an idea how to make it work ?
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> poff: an easy way is to make a /usr/bin/evince script on the chroot, which calls ltsp-remoteapps $0 $@
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| 16:10 | <poff> Alkisg : thanks for the tip. What I'like to know is if ltsp-remoteapps script is supposed to work or is it really buggy. I've tried to launch several applications with it . No success.
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> It should. Are you on Lucid?
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| 16:11 | <poff> Yes. Lucid
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 16:11 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> Get a localxterm, and try `ltsp-remoteapps xterm` from there
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| 16:13 | <poff> ltsp-remoteapps xterm does not work. Nothing appears
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> doesn't remoteapps have to be explicitly enabled?
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| 16:13 | in lts.conf
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| 16:14 | <poff> vagrantc: How do you enablee remoteapps in lts.conf ?
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| 16:15 | * alkisg doesn't use localapps at all, so he doesn't know all the details :) | |
| 16:15 | <alkisg> REMOTE_APPS=true
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| 16:21 | <poff> alkisg,ltspbot,vagrantc: It works with REMOTE_APPS=true. Thank a lot !!!
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| 16:21 | <alkisg> poff: ltspbot is a bot (a program) :)
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| 21:20 | <PMantis> Hi guys, I'm setting up a new LTSP server for a school, and the DHCP server is giving me trouble.
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| 21:20 | "No subnet declaration for eth0 (10.60.1.10)." Buuuut... I have "subnet 10.60.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { ..." in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 21:21 | Has to be something simple I overlooked after configuring several services.
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| 21:24 | <vagrantc> ubuntu?
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| 21:24 | <vagrantc> is there /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 21:24 | <PMantis> vagrantc, Yes.
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| 21:24 | <vagrantc> think ubuntu defaults to that instead of /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 21:24 | <PMantis> Hmm
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| 21:24 | D'oh
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| 21:24 | <vagrantc> if it's present
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| 21:24 | check /etc/init.d/*dhcp*
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| 21:25 | <PMantis> That's it... a stupid /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 21:25 | and... it started.
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| 21:25 | Thanks!
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| 21:25 | * PMantis tests a thin client... | |
| 21:26 | <PMantis> Gotta deliver this thing in the AM.. LOL
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| 22:29 | <PMantis> Hi mistik1!
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| 22:30 | <mistik1> hey PMantis
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| 22:31 | PMantis: how you been man?
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| 22:31 | <PMantis> Good, you? Things have changed a lot since I hung out here all the time!
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| 22:31 | <mistik1> You said it man
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| 22:31 | Quite a lot has changed here too
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| 22:31 | <PMantis> You here much any more?
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| 22:32 | <mistik1> Well my client is always logged in
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| 22:32 | <PMantis> Cool
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| 22:32 | <mistik1> I was without internet for over a year though
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| 22:32 | * PMantis cries for mistik1 | |
| 22:32 | <mistik1> I moved to Jamaica btw
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| 22:32 | <PMantis> Cool, what part?
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| 22:33 | <mistik1> For a while there was no provider in my area that was worth the money all dialup-like GPRS service
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| 22:33 | St. Ann
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| 22:33 | About 19 mile for Ocho Rios
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| 22:33 | <PMantis> I think it was in 2004 my Wife's siter was married in Negril.
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| 22:34 | <mistik1> out West, cool
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| 22:34 | <PMantis> Hmm, that year doesn't seem right now..
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| 22:34 | Yeah, ~2 miles south of hedonism
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| 22:35 | <mistik1> ugh!
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| 22:35 | <PMantis> I forget the name of the place, but it was condos.
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| 22:35 | LOL
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| 22:35 | <mistik1> that place needs some flame
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| 22:35 | <PMantis> Then, of course, south of that is Rick's Cafe... that place is cool
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| 22:35 | <mistik1> So how's business
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| 22:36 | <PMantis> Tapered off a bit this year. :( Still working with jammcq's client in Rochester, but not as much. Working on picking up more business to fill int eh gaps.
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| 22:37 | Typo... oh well
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| 22:37 | I just finished setting up this year's LTSP/Samba domain controller for a school. have to deliver that in the AM>
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| 22:37 | <mistik1> I hear you
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| 22:37 | * mistik1 still hackin | |
| 22:37 | <PMantis> LOL
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| 22:38 | So, kinda neat you moved... your hair fits in, huh? :-)
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| 22:39 | <mistik1> haha
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| 22:39 | I soppose so :)
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| 22:39 | <PMantis> I'll have to look you up if we get a chance to go to Jamaica again... that'd be cool.
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| 22:40 | <mistik1> Sure thing
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| 22:40 | just head for Moneague and ask how to get to RiverHead when you do :)
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| 22:41 | <PMantis> Well, I look like a tourist, and I don't know my way around... heard some horror stories about locals being jerks and purposefully giving wrong directions. I think I'd get a GPS receiver. :)
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| 22:42 | You on Facebook?
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| 22:42 | <mistik1> nope
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| 22:42 | * mistik1 dont do the anti-social networking scene | |
| 22:43 | <PMantis> Any IM besides IRC?
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| 22:43 | LOL
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| 22:50 | <PMantis> Man, BTS 2004 was a great time.... can't believe how long ago that was.
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| 23:03 | <mistik1> heh
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| 23:03 | I was telling jammcq this week that it should be in Jamaica next year :)
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| 23:03 | <PMantis> Hah, nice
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| 23:04 | <mistik1> We could kill a goat and some chickens to celebrate :)
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| 23:04 | <PMantis> At least that'd be warmer than Maine that time of year!!
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| 23:04 | ROFL
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| 23:04 | <mistik1> PMantis: It seems over the last year my IM accounts all expired
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| 23:05 | <PMantis> Bummer
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| 23:05 | <mistik1> I do have skype though
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| 23:06 | <PMantis> Cool. I signed up as switzerny, planning to use that for my Asterisk server, but never connected it.
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| 23:06 | I just signed in, ping me
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| 23:07 | <mistik1> got you
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| 23:07 | <PMantis> I was wrong... it was November 2005 when we went to Jamaica
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| 23:10 | So, what'd you do, save up some money, then move to Jamaica to live like royalty? :)
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| 23:10 | <mistik1> Hardly
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| 23:10 | <PMantis> It's been rumored to be possible.
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| 23:10 | <mistik1> I came home with not much of anything, I ran to preserve my sanity
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| 23:11 | I was just too damned stressed all the time
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| 23:11 | I was calling you on skype
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| 23:11 | <PMantis> You were?
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| 23:12 | <mistik1> yep
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| 23:12 | <PMantis> Didn't notice anything.
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| 23:12 | Try again
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