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| 00:43 | <cyberorg> why is "LTSP is improving." in Cons? http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ProsAndCons
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| 00:51 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: because it's got issues?
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| 00:52 | <cyberorg> hiya vagrantc :)
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| 00:52 | improving is good
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| 00:52 | <nantes_geek> plop
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| 00:53 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: that first list isn't a list of Cons, but things to keep in mind while reviewing the cons... i think.
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| 00:53 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, if aufs works properly, i'd be using that for openSUSE 11.0, it keeps breaking on kernel update now and then
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| 00:55 | <vagrantc> seems to be working fine with debian/lenny
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| 00:56 | i've removed and installed packages on the running thin client...
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| 05:55 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: hey! :) looks like I'll arrive tonight or tomorrow early morning, at latest. is it complicated/expansive to get to the hotel from the airport?
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| 05:56 | <ogra> the taxi does take about 600ckr
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| 05:56 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: also, I'm trying to remember, did you bring your thincans to UDS or did we agree that we'd upgrade them at LinuxTag next week?
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| 05:57 | <stgraber> Q-FUNK: you can also get the bus
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| 05:58 | <Q-FUNK> stgraber: ok. is there an express shuttle that goes directly to the hotel?
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| 05:58 | <stgraber> Q-FUNK: take the airport express (45czk) then metro line C to Vyzerad (or something like that) (18czk)
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| 05:58 | that's how we did with Nicolas and it works fine and is really cheap
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| 05:58 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 05:58 | * jammcq wonders how a czk compares to a euro or dollar | |
| 05:59 | <Q-FUNK> I should head out to the bank and change some money for that
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| 05:59 | <stgraber> jammcq: 1 czk =~ 1/25 €
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| 05:59 | <Q-FUNK> ah, ok
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| 05:59 | easy to remember then
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| 05:59 | <stgraber> Q-FUNK: there are ATMs at the airport
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| 05:59 | <Q-FUNK> do taxis take credit cards?
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| 05:59 | stgraber: ah, ok. good to know.
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| 06:00 | <jammcq> what's the czk:beer ratio?
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| 06:01 | <stgraber> at the hotel it's really expensive 116czk IIRC, we found some at 40czk or even cheaper in the city though
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| 06:01 | <Q-FUNK> hotels are expensive everywhere :(
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| 06:01 | <stgraber> yeah
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| 06:01 | <jammcq> typical high-class hotel
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| 06:15 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: and did you say that you had your hardwarr with you or was that for LinuxTag?
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| 07:45 | <Blinny> What would cause a client to boot to a resolution of 640x350 even though they have X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 for their MAC in lts.conf? After logging in you can set the resolution to 1024x768 using System->Preferences->Screen Resolution just fine.
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| 08:27 | <Blinny> What would cause a client to boot to a resolution of 640x350 even though they have X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 for their MAC in lts.conf? After logging in you can set the resolution to 1024x768 using System->Preferences->Screen Resolution just fine.
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| 08:37 | <shawnp0wers> Perhaps Gnome sets the resolution independant of the X session?
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| 08:37 | Does it do the same thing with the xterm only desktop?
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| 08:37 | <Blinny> Yeh I'm searching for a .gnome key or something.
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| 08:37 | 'xterm only desktop' ?
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| 08:38 | <shawnp0wers> Um... Monday memory blank
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| 08:38 | like...
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| 08:38 | the session with only an xterm
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| 08:38 | emergency
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| 08:38 | or
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| 08:38 | I can't recall
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| 08:38 | (gawd I need coffee)
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| 08:38 | in sessions in the login window, there should be a default with only xterm or some such thing
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| 08:38 | failsafe
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| 08:38 | that's the ticket
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| 08:39 | I assume there is a failsafe option with LTSP 5
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| 08:39 | I haven't checked, but I assume
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| 08:39 | <Blinny> You mean, set the session to failsafe and see if it stays at the crappy resolution?
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| 08:39 | <shawnp0wers> Well, log in with failsafe and see if it honors the lts.conf
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| 08:39 | failsafe would eliminate the gnome factor
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| 08:40 | heheh, the "Gnome Factor"
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| 08:40 | sounds like a reality show
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| 09:11 | <likuidkewl> All - Some confusion about the ltspfs bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/210379
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| 09:13 | A dpkg grep on our ltsp5 ubuntu system only kicks back this http://paste.ubuntu.com/13299/
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| 09:13 | Would an install of ltspfs solve the places drive issue?
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| 09:18 | <Nubae> q-funk, u there? wanted to ask some questions about the thincans
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| 09:18 | <Q-FUNK> Nubae: sure, go ahead
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| 09:19 | <Nubae> in terms of shipping, how much do you charge to ship to Southern Spain
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| 09:20 | the school I'm at wants to test out the 3 models to see which would best suit them, so want to order one of each to begin with
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| 09:20 | <Q-FUNK> Nubae: spain is within EU. fairly affordable, especially with surface mail. with UPS, a tad more expensive.
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| 09:20 | <Nubae> We're in no rush, so UPS might not be necessary
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| 09:20 | <Q-FUNK> Nubae: in that case, it should be fairly straighforward
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| 09:22 | <Nubae> ok... so shipping for 3 would be about how much u think?
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| 09:22 | <Q-FUNK> Nubae: just fill the request form on our site, include the full mailing address with postal code, EU tax exemption number if applicable and we can send you a quotation.
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| 09:23 | <Nubae> ok, will do, thanks
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| 09:49 | <Comete> hi
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| 09:49 | <Q-FUNK> hi
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| 09:50 | <Comete> anyone using LTSP with gnome Desktop and unix shares ?
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| 09:50 | almost everyone i think but...
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| 09:51 | <Comete> i'm still fighting with umask value since two weeks
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| 09:51 | am i the only one with this problem ?
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| 09:52 | umask value is set to 002 in /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs and it works well when creating folders or files in terminal but not with nautilus
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| 09:54 | i've also played with pam_umask without success, at least with GUI applications...
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| 09:55 | i've read that a .gnomerc with umask 002 in it could help but it doesn't work for me...
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| 10:05 | <ogra> vagrantc, !
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| 10:05 | <vagrantc> ogra: hey :)
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| 10:05 | <ogra> vagrantc, just got final approval for july ;)
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| 10:05 | <vagrantc> ogra: excellent! :)
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| 10:06 | <ogra> and apprently the intel manager for classmate will be in portland at the same time and urged me to go hiking with him after the event :)
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> very cool
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| 10:06 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> lot of gorgeous places around here
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| 10:06 | <ogra> i heard so, he was saying the same (aparetnly he lived there for quite some time)
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| 10:07 | i have davidz here since thu. cool guy :)
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| 10:07 | we went over the gvfs issue and talked a bit about hal/devicekit on thin clients already
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| 10:11 | if i find some extra time (unlikely) then i'll discuss our sound setup with lennart (pulse upstream) he is here as well
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| 10:17 | <Pascal_1> hello
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| 10:17 | vagrantc, no more news about ldm and pam ?
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| 10:18 | <vagrantc> Pascal_1: if there was, i would have added to the bug report. please subscribe to the bug report.
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| 10:20 | <Pascal_1> ok sorry
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| 10:59 | <Blinny> What is the ltspfs package for? I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/210379 to fix a bug we're seeing, but we don't have ltspfs installed in the chroot.
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| 10:59 | <vagrantc> Blinny: it's the server-side part of ltspfs
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| 10:59 | <Blinny> vagrantc: So shouldn't be in chroot?
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| 10:59 | <vagrantc> Blinny: ltspfsd is installed in the chroot
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| 11:00 | Blinny: ltspfs is installed on the server
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| 11:00 | * ogra sits inteh ubuntu bootspeed optimization BOF .... http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/hardy-20080519-4.png | |
| 11:01 | <ogra> vs http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/hardy-20080519-2.png :)
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| 11:01 | <Blinny> vagrantc: Any idea why I'm not seeing that update come through? the bugs page says it's committed to hardy-updates
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| 11:02 | ogra: vercool
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| 11:02 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:02 | took me 5 min to cut boot time in half :)
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| 11:02 | <vagrantc> Blinny: have you updated the chroot and run ltsp-update-image, as well as the server itself ?
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| 11:03 | * ogra wonders what Blinny is doing there | |
| 11:03 | <Blinny> This is my first week using LTSP5 in production so let me verify - To update chroot, I chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 then aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade , then drop out & update-image ?
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| 11:03 | <ogra> why do you upgrade the chroot ?
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| 11:03 | <Blinny> ogra: Trying to hide un-perm'd volumes ala https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/210379
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| 11:04 | How else should I be doing it?
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| 11:04 | <ogra> the fix is in lbmount, you only need to update the server side
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| 11:04 | and you need libglib2-0
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| 11:04 | both should be in -updates
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| 11:05 | <Blinny> ogra: So I 'aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade' ?
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| 11:05 | server-side i mean?
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| 11:05 | <ogra> right, with -updates enabled
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| 11:06 | <Nubae> heh, ubuntu and openoffice were just on bbc news
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| 11:06 | <Blinny> Hrm. Yeah, -updates is enabled.
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| 11:07 | <ogra> you want ltspfs 0.5.0~bzr20080109-3ubuntu3
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| 11:07 | <Blinny> My libglib2.0-0 is 2.16.3-1ubuntu1
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| 11:08 | <ogra> glib2.0 2.16.3-1ubuntu1
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| 11:08 | that one has the patch
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| 11:08 | <Blinny> W: Unable to locate package glib2.0
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| 11:08 | <ogra> (thats a source package name)
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| 11:08 | your binary version matches
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| 11:08 | what version is ltspfs ?
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| 11:09 | <Blinny> 0.5.0~bzr20080109-3ubuntu3
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| 11:09 | But I still see other users' floppies in Places->
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| 11:10 | <ogra> hmm, on the desktop as well ?
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| 11:10 | <Blinny> Let me set the gconf pref back & check
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| 11:10 | <ogra> what did you set ?
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| 11:10 | <Blinny> apps->nautilus->desktop->volumes_visible
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| 11:10 | <ogra> nd did you re-login after upgrading ?
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| 11:11 | it wont apply to your current session
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| 11:11 | <Blinny> I'll re-log in right now but I've been in & out all day.
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| 11:11 | <Blinny> and yes, with volumes_visible checked I see floppies on the desktop
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| 11:11 | BRB
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| 11:12 | <Blinny> Yup, floppies still present.
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| 11:12 | * vagrantc is happy to be rid of the ~bzr versions :) | |
| 11:12 | <Blinny> Interestingly enough, there are only 2. I have 12 users doing thin stuff right now.
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| 11:12 | While some may not have floppy drives, it's more than 2 of them.
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| 11:12 | <ogra> weird
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| 11:12 | i definately only see one on each users desktop
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| 11:13 | and only the devices a user can access
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| 11:13 | tested several times in different setup
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| 11:13 | s
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| 11:13 | <Blinny> Does it matter than I'm in admin group?
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| 11:13 | <ogra> no
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| 11:14 | <Blinny> Anything you'd like me to test here?
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| 11:14 | <ogra> i'm busy in a discussion atm and wont really have time for debugging stuff before next week
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| 11:14 | <-- at UDS
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| 11:15 | <Blinny> O.
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| 11:15 | <ogra> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/oder.ogg.m3u
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| 11:15 | <Blinny> I'll add to the bugreport.
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| 11:15 | <ogra> in case you want to listen :)
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| 11:15 | ok
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| 11:16 | <Blinny> Cheers - First day of users in-house using brand-new hardy server. I'm a little busy atm also (:
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| 11:43 | <warren> vagrantc: I'm tagging ltsp-trunk
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> i was thinking i'd be doing an upload today, but i have to do some other stuff
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| 11:46 | warren: so go ahead
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| 11:46 | at least, from my perspective
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| 11:46 | <warren> what do you have queued up?
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| 11:46 | I can wait
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| 11:47 | I'm only pushing minor bug fixes anyhow
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| 11:47 | <vagrantc> i wanted to confirm with ogra weather to switch from unionfs to aufs
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| 11:47 | <warren> ok, these don't effect me
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| 11:47 | <vagrantc> not really any other upstream changes
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| 11:48 | <vagrantc> i might just do another debian revision and not even use the current upstream... the changes relevent for debian are pretty minor
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| 11:49 | 5.1.5 -> current ltsp-trunk ... it feels pretty stable
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| 11:50 | <warren> when will you do your upload?
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| 11:50 | <vagrantc> the only major change i hope to have time to get in before debian freeze (in about a month) would be the cdpinger/ltspfsd from udev stuff
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| 11:50 | <warren> how stable is that now?
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| 11:50 | <vagrantc> warren: not sure. i may not even touch ltsp-trunk to do the upload.
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| 11:50 | <warren> ok, then I'm tagging now
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| 11:51 | I've been testing these changes for a while
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| 11:51 | I need to get them out
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> warren: proof of concept. i fear it may be prone to race conditions or something like that.
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| 11:52 | warren: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/ltspfs-udev-cdpinger/ if you want to take another look at it ...
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> although, it conflicts with ltspfs-trunk at the moment, since i re-wrote a lot of the same stuff
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| 11:52 | <warren> cdpinger is only relevant to CD drives?
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 11:53 | anyways, i gotta run ...
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| 11:53 | <warren> hmm, I don't even have a client with a CD drive here
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| 11:53 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 11:53 | <warren> vagrantc: could you resync it with ltspfs-trunk soon to make it easier to verify?
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| 11:53 | <vagrantc> yeah, i can do that.
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| 11:54 | <warren> k
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| 11:54 | let me know when you're done
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> don't know weather it's better to make a new branch from ltspfs-trunk and merge the changes in, or merge ltspfs-trunk into the feature branch
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| 11:54 | soon as in, sometime in the next 2-3 days
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| 11:54 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 12:08 | <Blinny> I've got clients that frequently do full-stop 100% lock ups. What can I do to debug these issues?
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| 12:12 | <warren> Blinny: did you confirm if it is hardware or software?
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| 12:14 | <Blinny> warren: Not yet. I'm a little stuck, because the client is seriously, 100% locked. No flipping to VTs either.
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| 12:14 | <warren> just one client
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| 12:14 | not all
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| 12:14 | or all of the same model
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| 12:14 | is it reproducible
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| 12:14 | <Blinny> Not all. Different models.
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| 12:14 | No, it's not.
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| 12:14 | One commonality is FF usage though.
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| 12:15 | ...and this is Ubuntu 8.04 w/ the beta Firefox.
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| 12:17 | I'm assuming it's software, as last week on K12LTSP V6 (ltsp4.2) these clients were kicking just fine.
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| 12:25 | <warren> tried fedora 9?
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| 12:25 | https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
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| 12:26 | <johnny> why would we do that :)
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| 12:26 | lol
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| 12:26 | howdy warren
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| 12:26 | <warren> howdy
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| 12:27 | <johnny> so.. things are still movin.. i should catch up on the list
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| 12:29 | <Blinny> warren: heh. Thanks.
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| 12:29 | <warren> Blinny: your only chance is to narrow it down somehow
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| 12:33 | <Blinny> warren: Any way to turn on centralized logging?
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| 12:34 | <warren> Blinny: I think we don't have that working yet, we just haven't tried to enable it
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| 12:34 | oh
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| 12:34 | you're asking about ubuntu
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| 12:34 | I have no idea
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| 12:34 | <Blinny> I'd imagine that's probably OS-independent, but *shrug*
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| 12:34 | option log-server in dhcpd.conf perhaps
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| 12:35 | <warren> assuming your OS implemented it
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| 12:35 | I don't think Fedora did
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| 12:37 | <johnny> no
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| 12:37 | it's an lts.conf option
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| 12:37 | <warren> johnny: still, assuming your OS implemented using that lts.conf option
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| 12:38 | <johnny> if my distro was official.. that'd be at least 3 out of what.. 6? :)
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| 12:38 | debian/ubuntu both have it implemented
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| 12:40 | * warren looking at what it takes to make it work | |
| 12:40 | <warren> it isn't implemented here because we don't use ltsp-setup, and we don't use syslog
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| 12:40 | <johnny> using ltsp-setup was simple enough for me
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| 12:42 | <arnadelo> i've got this problem nfsmount:need a path
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| 12:43 | <johnny> you're using what distro?
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| 12:43 | <arnadelo> edubuntu 7.10
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| 12:43 | <johnny> it doesn't even use nfs
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| 12:43 | by default
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| 12:43 | <arnadelo> yes it was working all this year
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| 12:44 | <johnny> it uses nbd , not nfs at 7.10
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| 12:44 | <arnadelo> but last week there was an update of ssh and the server breaks
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| 12:44 | <johnny> then you need to regenerate your keys
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| 12:44 | and the chroot for good measure
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| 12:45 | you should just rebuild your chroot
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| 12:45 | that should solve it
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| 12:45 | <arnadelo> how do i do this
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| 12:45 | <johnny> back up your old one tho
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| 12:45 | <arnadelo> ok
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| 12:45 | <johnny> ltsp-build-client ?
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| 12:45 | <arnadelo> are you sure
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| 12:45 | ?
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| 12:45 | <johnny> huh?
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| 12:45 | man ltsp-build-client
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| 12:46 | you tell me :)
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| 12:46 | <Blinny> johnny: Do you recall the specifics of turning on centralized logging so I can find the source of these client lockups?
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| 12:46 | (ubuntu 8.04)
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| 12:47 | <johnny> read lts-parameters.txt
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| 12:47 | but i doubt you'll find the source there
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| 12:47 | x doesn't log there
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| 12:48 | <Blinny> SYSLOG_HOST
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| 12:49 | <johnny> i don't know if ubuntu needs modification on the server side
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| 12:49 | to actually use that
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| 12:49 | <Blinny> It says put -r in /etc/ltsp/syslogd but I don't have that file.
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| 12:49 | So, perhaps.
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| 12:49 | <laga> try /etc/default/syslogd
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| 12:49 | <Blinny> laga: Inside the chroot or server side?
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| 12:50 | <laga> server
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| 12:51 | <Blinny> Cool, thank you.
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| 12:51 | I must specify it for an individual client though, as I have multiple subnets being served.
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| 12:51 | Thanks laga, johnny, warren.
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| 12:51 | <arnadelo> i've just done my backup so i'm going to make a try with ltsp-build-client, see you soon, and thanks
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| 12:57 | <johnny> arnadelo, make sure you do --arch=thinclientarch
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| 12:57 | if your server is amd64
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| 12:59 | <arnadelo> ok, thaks
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| 14:07 | <vertical> Can someone assist me with getting ndbswap running?
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| 14:10 | <vertical> running hardy
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| 14:11 | will post lts.conf and nbdswapd.conf if needed
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| 14:16 | <johnny> afaik.. that's all you had to do was set it in lts.conf .. didn't know anything else was needed
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| 14:16 | maybe another ubuntu person could help
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| 14:50 | <warren> I had to add a few bug fixes to ltsp-trunk to get it working on fedora recently
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| 14:51 | at least some of those fixes looked like a "how the heck could this work for anyone"
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| 14:51 | <Q-FUNK> heh
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| 14:52 | <warren> Q-FUNK: and I'm still failing to boot your coreboot/etherboot
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| 14:53 | <Q-FUNK> with mkeflimage generating the boot image?
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| 14:53 | <warren> yes
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| 14:54 | <Q-FUNK> you don't get any X or does it flat out not boot?
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| 14:54 | <warren> it seems that the initrd in the image is corrupted
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| 14:54 | strike that...
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| 14:55 | the zlib decompressor in mkelfimage that is embedded into the elf binary fails to decompress the initrd
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| 14:55 | <Q-FUNK> ah. that would explain it
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| 14:55 | oh?
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| 14:55 | <warren> afaict that's what's going on
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| 14:56 | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.etherboot.user/5731
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| 14:56 | http://www.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2008-April/033764.html
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| 14:56 | wraplinux relies on BIOS calls so it can't work with coreboot. hpa claims that coreboot is a completely misguided concept and it is impossible to support.
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| 14:57 | mkelfimage seems to be the only one that avoids BIOS calls so it has a chance of working
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| 14:57 | but it doesn't seem to like this 2.6.25 kernel built with gcc-4.3
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| 14:58 | <Q-FUNK> iirc that might be a compiler issue
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| 14:58 | <warren> have you seen other compiler issues?
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| 14:59 | Q-FUNK: I tried the mkelfimage binary from Ubuntu just to be sure it isn't a miscompiled tool and it exhibits the same behavior.
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| 14:59 | <Q-FUNK> ah, that. you seem to be using old initrd tools. we need mkinitramfs-tools for this to work
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| 15:00 | ööö... initramfs-tools
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| 15:00 | <warren> no.
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| 15:01 | we have an entirely different initrd tool set
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| 15:01 | but the file format of the initrd is the same
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| 15:01 | anyhow, I confirmed the issue by
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| 15:01 | hm
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| 15:02 | <sa> hi
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| 15:03 | <sa> hey i need info to set a server performance
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| 15:06 | <Blinny> sa: What's up
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| 15:10 | <sa> i want set a linux terminal service provider/ sunray software server for 40 runray terminals and i dont know whaht the minimal pc config
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| 15:11 | they need use java / postgess / compilers / image manipulation and VM
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| 15:14 | <Blinny> http://www.sun.com/software/sunray/serversizing.jsp
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| 15:15 | sa: A good starting point for LTSP is 256MB in the server plus 128 per concurrent client.
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| 15:16 | sa: RAM is king though - with Java, VM and image manipulation, I would say more like 256 per concurrent client. You have very demanding needs; It's best to put as much as you can afford.
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| 15:16 | <warren> SunRay software requires a LOT more RAM per-client than LTSP
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| 15:16 | because the entire framebuffer is in server's memory
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| 15:17 | <Blinny> From looking at that page, it sure sounds higher.
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| 15:17 | <warren> I'm not sure why sa is asking here.
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| 15:17 | <Blinny> I'm not sure how LTSP fits into this equation.
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| 15:17 | <warren> yeah
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| 15:17 | <Blinny> Perhaps one server will be doing all these things. Yikes.
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| 15:17 | <warren> SunRay is a lot more like Citrix or VNC
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| 15:18 | <sa> minimal and the problem is: i have 40 think clients
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| 15:18 | <Q-FUNK> warren: could be worth bringing up the issue on #coreboot
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| 15:18 | <warren> sa: you're asking in the wrong place.
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| 15:18 | Q-FUNK: I did, people suggested posting to lists, I did.
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| 15:18 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 15:18 | <warren> Q-FUNK: I got nothing
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| 15:18 | <Q-FUNK> no response?
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| 15:18 | <warren> Q-FUNK: I'm going to dig deeper
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| 15:18 | Q-FUNK: none
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| 15:18 | <Q-FUNK> damn.
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| 15:18 | <warren> like try building the kernel with different compilers
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| 15:19 | <sa> no i want know the computer config recomended for its
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| 15:19 | <laga> for its?
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| 15:19 | <warren> sa: if you're using sunray then nothing here is relevant to you
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| 15:19 | <Q-FUNK> mind you, the mkelfimage codebase has been rotting dead since 2006. I wouldn't be surpised if recent compiler changes or initrd tool changes have affected it
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| 15:20 | <sa> but i use it on debian
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| 15:20 | the only diferent is: the think connect by hjava socket to the x
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| 15:20 | <warren> sa: you are not listening
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| 15:20 | <sa> Xsever
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| 15:21 | <warren> sa: sunray is entirely different from LTSP
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| 15:21 | <sa> good
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| 15:21 | <Q-FUNK> warren: mkelfimage is one of those tools that date back from when LinuxBIOS was in its infancy and the guys behind it have completely disappeard off the scene
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| 15:22 | <warren> Q-FUNK: I know
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| 15:22 | Q-FUNK: fundamentally I am getting zero help from the kernel experts because they all hate coreboot
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| 15:22 | they think it is a stupid design and a dead end
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| 15:23 | <Q-FUNK> the codebase was imported into coreboot svn just before their server disappeared, but it's never been upgraded since then
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| 15:23 | warren: and they would use what instead? a traditional fucked up bios?
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| 15:24 | <warren> they all tell me openfirmware
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| 15:24 | or EFI
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| 15:26 | <Q-FUNK> OF requires some serious porting to work and it cannot quite boot on its own. even on OLPC, they have to load OF as a coreboot payload.
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| 15:27 | and EFI is real crap
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| 15:27 | also, OF is not quite license-free
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| 15:27 | <warren> are you sure?
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| 15:28 | OF was opened
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| 15:28 | <Q-FUNK> dual-license, IIRC
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| 15:29 | <Q-FUNK> I would never call Coreboot a silver bullet, but compared to EFI or a BIOS, it's at least usable and legacy-free.
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| 15:30 | <warren> it itself might be legacy free
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| 15:30 | but it relies on the mkelfimage legacy which gets no attention
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| 15:30 | <Q-FUNK> in principle, OF is nice, but it's mostly a geek toy. regular users don't want to fiddle with a boot prompt.
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| 15:30 | well, no.
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| 15:30 | mkelfimage is needed to generate BIOS-free ELF images.
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| 15:31 | nothing else does it.
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| 15:31 | everything else out there ends up relying on one legacy BIOS call or an other.
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| 15:31 | that the code hasn't been maintained in ages is a completely different issue.
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| 15:32 | and coreboot itself works just fine without mkelfimage
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| 15:33 | only generating boot images for legacy-free loaders fails, because few people ever attempted it to beging with and now nobody maintains it.
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| 15:36 | <Q-FUNK> building coreboot loaders itself has in fact significantly improved and become a lot more efficient and simpe than before.
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| 16:03 | <dyn> has anyone else had problems with LTSP-5 Hardy and the systems dbus crashing? (this causing lots of errors because of HAL, the clients dbus process, etc)
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| 16:04 | <dyn> I can't get the dbus-dbgsym packge installed because it wants 1.2.0.1.1_ubuntu2 and the latest version is 1.2.0.1.1_ubuntu1 or I would submit a backtrace
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| 16:18 | <warren> Anybody have an Edubuntu 8.04 right now?
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| 16:21 | <johnny> i have an ubuntu 8.04..
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| 16:22 | edubuntu is just an addon cd
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| 16:22 | in 8.04
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| 16:22 | <warren> johnny: you have a working /opt/ltsp/i386?
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| 16:22 | <johnny> uhmm.. i assume i do.. thin clients boot :)
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| 16:22 | there is a registered bug about expired password warnies
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| 16:22 | warnings*
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| 16:22 | i fixed that manually
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| 16:22 | what problem are you running into warren ?
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| 16:22 | <warren> johnny: could you please tar up /var/lib/tftpboot/i386 for me?
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| 16:22 | <johnny> sure.. gimme 10 minutes?
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| 16:23 | <warren> sure
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| 16:28 | <johnny> it's actually /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 16:31 | uploading to http://localmomentum.net/~johnny/tftpboot.tar.bz2 : get it in 5 minutes
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| 16:32 | <Comete> hi
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| 16:33 | <Comete> could someone tell me how to make nautilus use the umask value defined in /etc/profile ?
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| 16:39 | <warren> ooh interesting
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| 16:39 | Ubuntu's 2.6.24 exhibits the same broken behavior
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| 16:40 | <johnny> 2.6.24 is broken :)
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| 16:41 | <warren> johnny: in what way?
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| 16:41 | <johnny> got more audio skips with 2.6.24 than any kernel since before 2.6
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| 16:41 | 2.6.25 seems better
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| 16:42 | that's what i'm using on my desktop
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| 16:45 | <warren> ok, i'm wrong, ubuntu's 2.6.24 work shere
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| 16:45 | works here
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| 16:55 | <dyn> 2.6.24-16-server seems to work pretty good. libflash plus stuff is broken but, everything else plays audio just fine
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| 16:55 | pulse*
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| 16:56 | <loather-work> libflashsupport?
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| 17:00 | <johnny> dyn, it has nothing to do with the kernel..
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| 17:00 | and everything to do with libflashsupport
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| 17:01 | luckily libflashsupport isn't needed for flashplayer 10
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| 17:02 | <warren> (thanks to me)
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| 17:02 | <johnny> i don't know anything about that
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| 17:04 | <warren> Red Hat reverse engineered the plugin and figured out exactly what was wrong with the sound part
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| 17:04 | Lennart did most of the work along with pulseaudio
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| 17:05 | unfortunately flash 10 seems to have several other new crashes
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| 17:05 | but the frequent sound related crashes seem to be a lot better now
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| 17:05 | and it works better with pulseaudio
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| 17:05 | and it works great without libflashsupport
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| 17:17 | <dyn> johnny: people were just talking about the kernel so, I figured I'd post my experiance
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| 17:18 | im aware it has nothing to do with the kernel but, a race condition with flash + pulse
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| 17:18 | is flashplayer 10 out?
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| 17:19 | is anyone else running LTSP5-Hardy ?
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| 17:21 | <johnny> it's beta
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| 17:21 | and yes i am
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| 17:25 | <dyn> are you having any problems with HAL (via the system dbus crashing?)
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| 17:27 | its hard to reproduce, but every so often the system dbus crashes, causing "Failed to initialze HAL" apon login. This can't really be deployed into production until we fix that :-/
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| 17:27 | seems to happen less when strace'ing.. making me think its a race condition some how, and the slow down from strace causes it to be less apparent.... /me shrugs
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| 18:20 | <arnadelo> hallo from spain
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| 18:20 | my edubuntu 7.10 ltsp server has a problem
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| 18:21 | it has been working for a year very well
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| 18:22 | <arnadelo> but it seems that now the client is trying to mount /opt/ltsp/i386 via nfs instead of nbd
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| 18:22 | any sugestion
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| 18:22 | ?
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| 18:35 | <X0d_of_N0d> what version of ltsp are you using.... just out of curiosity
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| 18:35 | 5 or 4.2
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| 18:49 | <warren> 5 doesn't really mean anything these days..
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| 19:01 | <X0d_of_N0d> there are multiple implimentations?
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| 19:01 | When is that going to be finalized? is there any kind of roadmap or anything?
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| 19:09 | <dyn> is there any wiki or forum for LTSP? if not.. is there any possibility of this soon?
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| 19:11 | <X0d_of_N0d> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Documentation
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| 19:11 | but is there one for 5?
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| 19:12 | <dyn> "LTSP-5 as of 031207"... that is more than a year old now
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| 19:12 | <X0d_of_N0d> is there any kind of standardization planned, or is everyone just going to go on their own way?
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| 19:12 | <johnny> there's not much to standardize
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| 19:12 | it relies on the distros' own tools
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| 19:13 | which aren't exactly similiar
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| 19:13 | <dyn> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5Status the latest version that talks about is 6.06...
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| 19:13 | <johnny> i started off debian's base tho
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| 19:13 | i run ltsp-build-client just like ubuntu/debian
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| 19:14 | <johnny> the wiki could use some updating for sure
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| 19:16 | <dyn> http://forum.freespire.org/forumdisplay.php?f=80 is about it in terms of forums (becides some random ubuntu posts)
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| 19:19 | <johnny> that's not even official afaik
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| 19:21 | X0d_of_N0d, what are you expecting to be standardized?
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| 19:23 | <X0d_of_N0d> maybe not standaradization, but organization... like some documentation would be really nice
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| 19:24 | some *up to date* documentation
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| 19:27 | <johnny> docuentation of what?
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| 19:27 | exactly?
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| 19:27 | i think the only thing that they all have in common has not changed
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| 19:28 | there's been a few new things added, but not much.. it's been alot of cleanup, and helping distros
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| 19:28 | like i had to patch ldm to work with gentoo, cuz it worked differently than other distros session handling
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| 21:23 | <vertical> can I get some assistance getting swap working for my thin clients. Using Ubuntu Hardy.
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| 21:41 | <vertical> can I get some assistance getting swap working for my thin clients. Using Ubuntu Hardy.
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| 23:29 | <Marlboro> boa noite / good night
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| 23:30 | estou precisando de ajuda com o LTSP / I need help with LTSP
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| 23:33 | boa noite
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| 23:38 | HELP !!!
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| 23:40 | <Marlboro> rs
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| 23:40 | =/
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| 23:45 | ajuda ai JIUJITSUMAN
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| 23:50 | <Marlboro> I need help with LTSP
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