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Channel log from 25 August 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:02 | <mystafa> hi for all!
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| 06:40 | <schyffel> Hi all
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| 06:41 | Does anyone have an idea of why I can run ltsp clients on ubuntu/ltsp-5 even though I'm missing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf?
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| 06:42 | Basically I want to know how to modify the settings, and it's a bit hard without that file it seems.
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| 06:51 | <schyffel> I'm actually thinking of throwing away the Ubuntu ltsp-5 and install ltsp-4.2 instead.
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| 07:07 | Hmmm, lts.conf reappeared when running ltsp-build-client
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| 07:09 | <schregge> hi
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| 07:11 | <schregge> i have still problems with my fujitts fi-4120C scanner. I am using ltsp 4.2 and now i want to swtitch to ltsp5 under dapper. But the sane backend is also pretty old under dapper. is there a posibillity to install the new sane version?
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| 07:14 | <cliebow_> schyffel, wont nee an lts.conf if the defaults work..
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| 07:16 | <schyffel> I need it if I want to change the defaults. But now I have it anyway. Got some new problems though.
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| 07:16 | now I need modules.dep
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| 07:18 | <schyffel> modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/modules.dep: No such file or directory
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| 07:21 | <schregge> can i chroot into the ltsp client environment and change the source.list form dapper to feisty to get the newest packages (mainly sane) for my clients?
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| 07:22 | <cliebow_> really should get latest ltsp-build-client and build a new chroot
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| 07:23 | <schregge> ok
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| 07:23 | where can i get it?
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| 07:23 | <schyffel> modprobe doesn't seem to matter, so never mind my last message
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| 07:28 | <cliebow_> well..i am using gutsy..and simply apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone..
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| 07:28 | then ltsp-build-client
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| 07:29 | use dpkg -l to see what version you have
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| 07:32 | <schregge> i have version 0.87 in dapper
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| 07:38 | <cliebow_> schregge, i need to defer to the wizards rather than give you half asses advice..wouldnt you like to update to feisty.btw gutsy should ROCK
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| 07:40 | <schregge> i know, but i dont want to use gutsy in an production environment.... and i had a lot of problems when i used feisty with ltsp5
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| 07:41 | so at the moment i use ltsp4-2 with dapper.... but the sane version is too old so i decided to switch ltsp5 but in dapper they are using the same version :(
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| 07:43 | <cliebow_> i see..there should be a prebuilt fe\isty chroot available..
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| 07:44 | <schyffel> Anyone know a good webpage for troubleshooting the X-server on ltsp-client?
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| 07:45 | <cliebow_> a lot of people try xserver=vesa for starters..dont know is there is much to debug x
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| 07:45 | <schyffel> Ok. trying that.
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| 07:46 | <cliebow_> gotta run..good luck..
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| 07:46 | <schyffel> Thx
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| 07:49 | <schyffel> Nah, vesa didn't do the trick
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| 08:20 | <JanetFLorida> can anyone tell me why my firefox global extensions aren't being applied to all users? http://pastebin.ca/670136
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| 09:25 | <schyffel> Could modprobe failing due to missing modules.dep cause failure for the X server?
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| 09:25 | "modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/modules.dep: No such file or directory"
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| 09:29 | <cyberorg> schyffel, your boot image and your ltsp chroot kernel probably are of different version
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| 09:30 | <schyffel> Ok, that could be it, I
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| 09:30 | ''ll try reinstalling the who chabooty
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| 09:38 | On ubuntu, will it install the boot image when i do "sudo ltsp-build-client"
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| 09:38 | ?
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| 09:40 | Looks like it does. Then my boot image and my chroot kernel should be same version.
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| 09:42 | It looks like it's working now anyway...
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| 10:11 | <schyffel> Damn this terminal client is slow when running over ssh...
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| 10:16 | <schyffel> Thanks for the tips on getting started though.
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| 10:17 | Anyone know why the xdmcp server would do nothing when entering correct login, but displays an error when entering faulty login?
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> Define "do nothing"?
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| 10:18 | Just sits there?
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| 10:18 | <schyffel> It asks for username again
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> What version of ltsp are you running, and on what server?
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| 10:18 | <schyffel> So probably returns nothing.
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| 10:18 | Ubuntu server with ltsp-5
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| 10:18 | Feisty
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> Are you running XDMCP, or are you using the ldm login manager?
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| 10:19 | <schyffel> I used xdmcp login from another mashine the other week, so it should work.
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| 10:19 | running xdmcp
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> Can you paste your lts.conf file to the pastebot?
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| 10:20 | <schyffel> SCREEN_01=startx
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| 10:20 | <sbalneav> !pastebot
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| 10:20 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:20 | <sbalneav> Oh, you don't want to start it on screen 1
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| 10:20 | change it to SCREEN_07
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| 10:20 | <schyffel> Ok, then it should work?
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| 10:21 | Why is that?
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> No guarentees, but that's an obvious problem right there.
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| 10:21 | SCREEN_01 already has a character login running on it.
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| 10:22 | <schyffel> Ok, I'll try that. I'll also try xdmcp from this mashine.
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| 10:23 | Ah, seems the xdmcp isn't working from this mashine eighter. Not an ltsp-problem after all.
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> Can you paste your lts.conf so I can see the whole thing?
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| 10:29 | <ltsppbot> "schyffel" pasted "SCREEN_07 = startx" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/288
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| 10:30 | <schyffel> I like the bot...
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> Any reason why you're not running ldm?
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| 10:30 | <schyffel> Nope
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> Well, you might want to check the .xsession-errors file of an account that can't log in. That may give you some insight.
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| 10:36 | <schyffel> Or rather, there is a reason for not running ldm. It's to slow running through ssh on the client.
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| 10:38 | <sbalneav> Then, you need the patched ldm, now with LDM_DIRECTX support
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| 10:38 | !ldm
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| 10:38 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "ldm" is You can find the updated ldm that supports the LDM_DIRECTX parameter for bypassing ssh encryption at http://alburg.net/ldm
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| 10:40 | <schyffel> Hard to install?
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| 10:41 | Doesn't look like it... :D
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| 10:41 | <sbalneav> cp /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm.orig ; cp <ldm> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin ; chmod 755 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
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| 10:42 | <ltsppbot> "sbalneav" pasted "Make your lts.conf look like this" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/289
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| 10:44 | <schyffel> I'll try this right away then.
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| 10:44 | Huge thanks!
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| 10:44 | <sbalneav> Also, make sure you do an ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 10:48 | <schyffel> Way faster!
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| 10:48 | This is great!
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| 10:48 | <sbalneav> Glad I could help
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| 10:49 | For Gutsy, I've re-written ldm and the greeter in C, so it starts even quicker, now.
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| 10:50 | <schyffel> Hey, it froze.
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| 10:50 | Oh, just when I was so happy! :-)
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| 10:51 | Oh, nvm, I got it working at least...
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| 10:54 | <schyffel> It's been freezing a few times now, about a minute och two after the login screen appears. Has nothing to do with ldm though, coz it did the same for x and while in shell
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| 10:54 | <sbalneav> How much memory is in the client?
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| 10:57 | <schyffel> I think 128MB
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| 10:57 | <sbalneav> Should be fine. What video card is in the machine?
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| 10:57 | <schyffel> It's one of the disklessworkstations units, but a couple years old.
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| 10:58 | I think via graphics
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| 11:00 | Frozen again
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| 11:00 | Doesn't really matter what I do, it freezes after about 2-4 minutes.
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| 11:01 | No matter if I stay at the login screen, only start the shell, startx or whatever.
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| 11:02 | Could specifying XSERVER to 'via' instead of 'auto' do something?
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| 11:03 | <sbalneav> XERVER=vesa might be a good place to start
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| 11:03 | that and checking the ram in the client
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| 11:05 | Well, going upstairs for breakfast.
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| 11:05 | afk for a bit
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| 11:11 | <schyffel> XSERVER=vesa gave me 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024 and a lot slower graphics. On the other hand the graphics were correct when playing a movie.
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| 11:11 | Still froze though...
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| 11:32 | Here's the specs: 256MB mem, Embedded Trident VGA, up to 8 MB shared memory
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| 11:32 | http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/info/ltsp_tj225.html
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| 11:33 | It's worked perfect before, but not against this version of ltsp
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| 14:46 | <klausade> I need to use acpi=off for a few machines. Is there a better way than doing that in pxelinux.cfg ?
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| 14:49 | * vagrantc can't think of one | |
| 14:50 | <vagrantc> you might be able to pass some information via dhcp or something ...
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| 18:31 | <rjune> /join #kubuntu
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| 21:34 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:40 | <vagrantc> gah. i'm so frustrated with this weird problem.
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| 21:40 | intel cards with Intel Boot Agent 3.0+ seem to not work with etch.
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| 21:41 | the PXE implementation seems to require the pxe daemon
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| 21:43 | <sbalneav> REally?
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| 21:43 | Wierd.
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| 21:44 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Hey, maybe you can tell me.
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| 21:45 | I'm trying to hunt down a crash bug in nbd-server
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| 21:45 | How do I do a pbuilder so that the binary still has the debug symbols in it?
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| 21:46 | So I can start nbd-server under gdb, and find out where it's sigsev' ing?
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| 21:49 | vagrantc: Also, I'm pbuildering the ltsp, how do I increment the debian package version number. The "official" ones are 5.0.24, and mine are still 5.0.22
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| 21:57 | <vagrantc> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip pdebuild ...
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| 21:57 | sbalneav: don't really understand your question about the version numbers
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| 21:58 | sbalneav: well, unless you mean to edit the changelog file ... use dch -i to increment the version number
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| 21:59 | sbalneav: and use some 5.0.25~0.scotty.0 revision for a personal package or something
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| 21:59 | <sbalneav> dch: fatal error at line 500:
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| 21:59 | Found debian/changelog for package ltsp in the directory
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| 21:59 | /home/sbalneav/src/bzr/scotts-gutsy
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| 21:59 | but this directory name does not match the package name according to the
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| 21:59 | regex PACKAGE(-.*)?.
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| 21:59 | How do I do that.
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| 21:59 | <vagrantc> never had that problem before
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| 22:00 | you could rename your directory
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| 22:00 | <sbalneav> I have to admit, I've been cheating: I compile the programs, and just copy them in place. I really should learn to do it properly.
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| 22:00 | <vagrantc> indeed
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| 22:00 | <sbalneav> Now that I'm comfortable with bzr, :)
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| 22:00 | I'll learn the next step :)
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| 22:00 | <vagrantc> mv scotts-gutsy ltsp-5.0.25~0.scotty.0
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| 22:00 | to work around the problem, i think
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| 22:01 | <sbalneav> Won't that screw up the bzr, though? or no?
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> no, though any commits you make will change what branch nickname it uses ...
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| 22:01 | <sbalneav> Maybe I should just copy the tree.
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> you can move it back after you've built the package
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| 22:01 | <sbalneav> Yeah, I'll just cp -r
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> bzr export ../ltsp-5.0.25~0.scotty.0
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| 22:01 | <sbalneav> ahhhh
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| 22:02 | You are wise, oh bearded one!
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| 22:02 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 22:02 | hopefully dch won't complain then ...
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| 22:02 | <sbalneav> I'll find out in a minute :)
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| 22:02 | <vagrantc> i'm really smashing my head over this weird problem with the intel PXE implementation
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| 22:19 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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| 22:19 | <ltspbot`> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 8 hours, 11 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <ogra> hehe
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| 22:24 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Here's another dumb question:
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| 22:25 | Ok, so I do an apt-get source nbd-server
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| 22:25 | and I get the 3 files and a dir: the nbd-2.6.9
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| 22:25 | the .diff.gz
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| 22:25 | the .dsc
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| 22:25 | and the orig.tar.gz
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| 22:26 | I cd into the dir.
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| 22:26 | Now, lets say I make a change to the source in the directory.
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| 22:26 | if I type pdebuild in that dir, will I get a package build from the source I modified?
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| 22:34 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: you should, yes.
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| 22:42 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Nope. it doesn't.
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| 22:42 | sigh.
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| 22:50 | <vagrantc> if you type pdebuild in the directory of the sources that you've modifed, it should use that directory.
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| 22:50 | i'm very certain of this.
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| 22:51 | unless you didn't change the version number and it doesn't re-generate the .tar.gz ...
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| 23:18 | <vagrantc> so, still having problems PXE booting intel cards ... even tried installing ubuntu feisty, but it has the same problem
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