IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 17 September 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <cyberorg> yeah, you masochistic people :P
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| 00:03 | <siji> jan, ping
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| 00:04 | <johnny> cyberorg, i hate dist upgrades or whatever you call em
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| 00:04 | <siji> cyberorg, are you there
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| 00:05 | <cyberorg> siji, yes
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| 00:05 | <siji> hello we are thinking to develop a GUI tool for LTSP
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| 00:06 | hi,cyberorg
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| 00:06 | <cyberorg> siji, http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Quick_start/Easy-LTSP
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| 00:06 | <siji> but in mail list i saw lot of discussions about this
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| 00:06 | cyberorg, i had gone through it
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| 00:07 | <cyberorg> siji, ok, i'll be free in an hour
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| 00:07 | <siji> ok
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| 00:07 | pls ping me then
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| 00:12 | * vagrantc chuckles at running icewm as a localapp | |
| 00:13 | <vagrantc> pretty much nothing running on the server
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| 00:36 | i guess that's a simple way of doing authenticated local logins...
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| 00:49 | <cyberorg> siji, ping
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| 01:06 | <siji> hi cyberorg
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| 01:07 | cyberorg,ping
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| 01:08 | <cyberorg> siji, pong
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| 01:08 | <siji> ok
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| 01:08 | we are working with LTSP to enable it in BOSS operating System
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| 01:09 | <cyberorg> yeah heard from amol
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| 01:09 | <siji> BOSS-Bharath Oeprating System Solutions, by Govt of India
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| 01:09 | ok
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| 01:09 | so now we are thinking about to make a user friendly interface for it
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| 01:09 | BOSS is a debian base system
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| 01:10 | and at the begining was thinking to develop the GUI frm scratch
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| 01:11 | but while i was gong through mail lists i saw suse's gui tool
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| 01:12 | <cyberorg> siji, debian etch package here http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/ltsp/Debian_Etch/all/
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| 01:12 | should work on boss
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| 01:12 | <siji> oh ok
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| 01:12 | let me try then
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| 01:12 | tks,will get back soon
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| 02:02 | <Pascal_1> bonjour
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| 04:38 | <amol1> sbalneav, now i am able to boot at client but getting white screen only
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| 04:39 | cyberorg,ogra,johnny now i am able to boot at client but getting white screen only
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| 04:50 | sbalneav, how to get llogin screen at client side?
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| 04:52 | <siji> amol1,Just check whether your xdmcp is enabled or not
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| 04:53 | go to gdm.conf
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| 04:53 | and enable xdmcp true
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| 04:53 | <ogra> siji, ltsp5 doesnt use XDMCP since 3 years anymore
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| 04:54 | <siji> oh ok
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| 04:54 | <amol1> siji:xdmcp is enabled..
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| 04:59 | ogra,is any problem in lts.conf for not getting login screen at client?
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| 04:59 | <ltsppbot> "amol1" pasted "lts.conf" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/78
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| 04:59 | <ogra> XSERVER=aut isnt needed, thats the default
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| 04:59 | RUNLEVEL=2 is ignored
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| 04:59 | <cyberorg> amol1, SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 05:00 | <ogra> if your server is the same as the bootserver SERVER isnt needed either
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| 05:00 | and if you drop all SCREEN_nn entries you should get ldm
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| 05:00 | <amol1> ogra, mine is same server
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| 05:00 | <ogra> no need to set SCREEN_07
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| 05:00 | X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 is default on debian afaik
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| 05:00 | so just remove the lts.conf
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| 05:00 | then it should work
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| 05:01 | <amol1> ogra, remove complete lts.conf or just comment contents of it?
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| 05:01 | <ogra> remove it
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| 05:01 | yu should always tyr without lts.conf fist on ltsp5
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| 05:02 | its only used to override the autodetected values
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| 05:03 | <amol1> ogra,after running Xorg -configure and then startx , i got only xterm now i will try without lts.conf
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| 05:04 | <ogra> why did you run Xorg -configure ? and where ?
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| 05:06 | <amol1> ogra, i did this at client by doing ctrl-alt-f2 to get login screen
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| 05:06 | <ogra> ah
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| 05:06 | didnt it come up with X by default ?
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| 05:07 | (it should)
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| 05:07 | <amol1> ogra, it came but i was not getting why only blank white screen is gettin so was a try to get login screnn
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| 05:08 | <ogra> right, but if oyu have X there is no need to configure that :)
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| 05:08 | the problem lies elsewhere then
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| 05:08 | probably your ldm theme is broken
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| 05:09 | <amol1> ogra, hot to know what is problem?
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| 05:09 | ogra, how to know theme is broken?
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| 05:10 | <ogra> check if ldm is running ... if you are on the white screen go to tty1 and look with "ps ax|grep ldm"
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| 05:16 | <amol1> ogra,i will check without lts.conf will come back with result..thanks for help
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| 05:16 | <ogra> if you see an ldm process it's definately the theme
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| 05:21 | <amol> ogra,after removing lts.conf ..client system shows Xdialog not found,either install Xdialog or configure sdm for autologin
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| 05:22 | <ogra> sdm ?
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| 05:22 | thats totally broken
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| 05:23 | * ogra saw that error message for a very broken ltsp package in debian that was fixed long ago | |
| 05:23 | <amol> ogra, ldm is not running
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| 05:23 | <ogra> no, it is likely not installed
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| 05:23 | run: dpkg -l sdm
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| 05:23 | on the client console
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| 05:23 | is sdm installed ?
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| 05:23 | (it shouldnt, it was removed from debian half a year ago)
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| 05:24 | <amol> ogra, sdm-terminal is installed
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| 05:24 | <ogra> sigh
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| 05:24 | not sure where your packages come from, but these ltsp packages are so insecure, you definately shouldnt use them
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| 05:25 | this error was fixed in december in debian
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| 05:25 | <amol> ogra, ohhhh
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| 05:25 | <ogra> sdm doesnt even exist anymore in the debian archive
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| 05:26 | <amol> ogra, i will use new upgraded package from debian and then try
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| 05:26 | ogra, or any option to solve this?
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| 05:27 | <ogra> well, even if you remove sdm and install ldm in the chroot (which would probably make that work) it leaves you with a lot of security issues and bugs in the version you have
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| 05:28 | <amol> ogra, what is sdm and ldm/
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| 05:28 | <ogra> please ask the BOSS developers to update these packages
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| 05:28 | ldm is the login manager
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| 05:28 | <amol> both are display manager like gnome for ltsp?
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| 05:28 | <ogra> sdm was a login manager as well that hasnt been developed for four years and ldm includes all its functions since two
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| 05:29 | ldm == ltsp display manager
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| 05:30 | all tools and features in ltsp need ldm
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| 05:30 | <amol> ogra, in boss repository they have ldm as well
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| 05:30 | <ogra> which version ?
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| 05:30 | should be 2.0.5 or 2.0.6 *at least*
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| 05:30 | <amol> ogra, Version: 2:0.1~bzr20071217-1
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| 05:31 | <ogra> sigh
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| 05:31 | thats from december
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| 05:31 | your packages have *huge* scurity holes
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| 05:31 | <amol> ogra, yes they have old repository..i have informed them to upgrade reo
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| 05:32 | <ogra> everyone can log in from anywhere and hack your system with that ldm version, it had some massive security holes
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| 05:33 | <amol> ogra, security hole is not matter for this stage to me i am a learner..but surely at implementation i will use upgraded ldm
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| 05:33 | <ogra> there were other bugs as well
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| 05:33 | it might be unstable
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| 05:37 | <cyberorg> amol, it not working properly for you itself is a good reason to update :)
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| 05:38 | amol, it would also be good idea to submit patches of all the improvements boss has done to incorporate it directly in debian, so all you have to maintain in future is branding
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| 05:40 | <cyberorg> that was too preachy :)
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| 06:48 | <amol> ogra, i have installed new ltsp package from debian repository then same method as in wiki.debian.org/LTSP but still same error coming i.e.Xdialog not found
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| 06:51 | <ogra> dpkg -l ltsp-server
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| 06:51 | what version do you have installed now ?
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| 06:52 | should be somethig like 5.1.10 or higher
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| 06:52 | * cyberorg is now convinced that prebuilt images was the best idea | |
| 06:52 | <ogra> err
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| 06:52 | cyberorg, that would break massively on that setup
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| 06:52 | which is exactly why we dont want it
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| 06:53 | <cyberorg> ogra, we could use ubuntu tarball on suse
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| 06:53 | <ogra> should be soethng like 5.1.24 or higher, sorry
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| 06:53 | sure, you were lucky
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| 06:53 | we had a *lot* of probs with people using these tarballs
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| 06:55 | if you build a package for your distro from the version you released with it anyway and that contains a prebuilt image, there is surely nothing wrong with it
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| 06:55 | but it defeats the upstream purpose if you start using tehm cross distro
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| 06:55 | thats ltsp 4.x
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| 06:56 | you never konw what happens if there are differences in ltsp-update-image/ltsp-update-kernels etc
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| 06:56 | <cyberorg> i only mean that distro packager release tarballs for their distro so all the package versions remain same, warren does that for fedora too
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| 06:56 | <ogra> since these are supposed to use the distro specific setups in the chroot
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| 06:56 | he doesnt release tarballs to be used on ubuntu
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| 06:57 | and i know he wouldnt dare to
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| 06:57 | our kaernel naming is different, his maintenance tools wouldnt work
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| 06:57 | <cyberorg> ogra, nope, but the distro packager doing the tarball release for their target distro saves so many people time and energy building their own
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| 06:58 | <ogra> sure, i wouldnt complain about that
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| 06:58 | but please dont start cross distro builds of such a thing :)
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| 06:58 | <cyberorg> ogra, dont worry, we wont :)
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| 06:58 | <ogra> thats not how ltsp5 was designed ... its supposed to be integrated in the distro its building on and to use the available backend tools
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| 06:59 | <amol> ogra, sorry for late response i am using 5.1.10-2
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| 06:59 | <ogra> amol, lenny has ltsp_5.1.24-1
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| 07:00 | amol, also are you sure ltsp-build-client used the lenny repos ?
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| 07:00 | i doubt thats working without modifying debootstrap
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| 07:00 | <amol> ogra,as well it has 5.1.10-2
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| 07:01 | <ogra> you really should make sure the BOSS guys update and fix all this stuff
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| 07:01 | it will take you ages to get that right
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| 07:01 | solving one prob will only expose the next one
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| 07:01 | <amol> ogra, i have connected to repository and installed ltsp from debian,and client generation from BOSS
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| 07:01 | <ogra> right
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| 07:02 | that still pulls you in the BOSS version of ltsp-client-core
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| 07:02 | which is the broken one
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| 07:05 | <sbalneav> Morning all!!
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| 07:08 | <amol> sbalneav good morning
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| 07:09 | <sbalneav> Morning amol
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| 07:12 | <amol> sbalneav, at last i am able to create ltsp-build-client and getting booted at client..
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| 07:13 | <amol> sbalneav, but as you told BOSS using old packages i am getting some old problems of ltsp
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| 07:14 | sbalneav, .client system shows Xdialog not found,either install Xdialog or configure sdm for autologin now i have installed ldm by doing chroot
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| 07:16 | ogra, cyberorg sbalneav, what a magic it works
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| 07:18 | <cyberorg> amol, congratulations :)
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| 07:25 | <cliebow> good grief..2.6.24.19 locks up too..
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| 07:46 | <Colvile_> hi. I have a working etherboot-disk, but it don't work in older computer. It says: boot from (N)etwork or Quit pcibios_init: entry in high memory, giving up pci_init: no bios32 detected probing isa nic... <sleep> Do anybody know, what is problem.
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> Colvile, I've just build one based on gpxe (newer version of etherboot), want to try it?
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| 07:52 | ==> Colvile_
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| 07:55 | <Colvile_> alkisg why not
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| 07:56 | <alkisg> OK, link: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?topic=1451.0
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| 07:57 | Click on "grubgpxe.7z" (the forum is in greek, the disk in english)
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| 07:57 | Then unzip grubgpxe.7z and "dd if=grubgpxe.ima of=/dev/fd0"
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| 08:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> good morning all
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| 08:15 | <Gadi> sbalneav: ping
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| 08:21 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Pong
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| 08:22 | <Gadi> so, I was thinking that for hackfest, we should bring a shuttle case with virtualbox on it and load it up with the various distros represented and use it to test things
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| 08:22 | what dya think? - I ask you as someone non-biased arriving early :)
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| 08:22 | I know every distro will have his/her own lappie
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| 08:23 | <sbalneav> Sounds like a plan to me.
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| 08:23 | <Gadi> but, it might be nice to have a common box?
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| 08:23 | <sbalneav> I know jammcq had a shuttle box at one point, and we're driving, so I'll ask if he's still got it.
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| 08:24 | <Gadi> okie dokie - I hope we can prep it a bit ahead of time, so we don't waste too much time on setup in Maine
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| 08:24 | I will bring some thin clients, so we can test on real hardware, too
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| 08:24 | as opposed to vm's
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| 08:24 | <sbalneav> Wow, 85 Bn$ bailout for aig.
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| 08:25 | <Gadi> yeah- DOW was up 150 pts yesterday because of it
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| 08:25 | <sbalneav> You guys are getting positively socialist down there :)
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| 08:25 | <Gadi> u bet - but, I don't think I'll see a handout
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| 08:25 | :)
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| 08:25 | <sbalneav> I see Canada's takeover plan for the US continues apace.
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| 08:26 | Once you get universal healthcare, then we send down the attack beavers :)
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| 08:26 | <Gadi> Oy, Canada....
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| 08:26 | <sbalneav> Well of course YOU wont see a handout
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| 08:26 | You're a small business that manages it's finances responsibly.
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| 08:28 | Haven't heard too much out of Bush lately. I assume he's keeping a low profile.
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| 08:28 | <ogra> caring for texas i bet
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| 08:28 | <sbalneav> Sorry, politics. Betweem your election and my election, I'm O.D.ing. :)
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| 08:28 | <ogra> but doesnt need the promo anymore
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| 08:29 | * ogra still has a year until next election | |
| 08:29 | <Gadi> ogra: do you think intrepid will work on virtualbox by hackfest?
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| 08:29 | ;)
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| 08:29 | <ogra> Gadi, it works now
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| 08:29 | just slower
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| 08:29 | <Gadi> ah - they fixed the bug
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| 08:29 | <ogra> (i gave you the bootoption a month ago, no ?)
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| 08:29 | no
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| 08:29 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 08:30 | <ogra> its there on fedora and ubuntu
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> just with the boot option
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| 08:30 | <ogra> right
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| 08:30 | switching off the virtual support in the client kernel
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| 08:30 | (vbox client, not ltsp)
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| 08:30 | * Gadi nods | |
| 08:30 | <ogra> i have the prob that i dont have recent vbox modules yet
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| 08:31 | so i cant test anyway
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| 08:31 | * ogra is to busy with work atm | |
| 08:31 | <Gadi> I'd like to have a shuttle box at hackfest, and configure it to boot virtual clients and real clients
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| 08:31 | <ogra> though the intrepid packages should work ok for testing and debugging atm
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> so, we can have a solid test platform
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| 08:31 | <ogra> yeah, i saw that above, sounds like a good plan
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> cool
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| 08:32 | <ogra> btw, anyone seen https://launchpad.net/ltsp-cluster ?
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| 08:33 | stgraber has cleaned up a lot ... we should include it in the upstream branch once he's finished
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> ah, cool
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| 08:33 | <ogra> at least the cluster client i looked at yesterday looks very nice
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| 08:33 | only a handfull changes to the upstream code
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| 08:43 | <frin> hello, I am using kubuntu, ltsp 5, and am having problem with certain keys... even at client's login prompt I can't press special non-english non-alphanumeric keys, AND key J (shift+J works though), any ideas? those keys don't work even when logged in, keyboard is not faulty
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> frin: What have you got your keyboard selected as in KDE?
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> ogra: it looks like only the client and packaging are in lp
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| 08:48 | <ogra> ?
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> ltsp-cluster
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| 08:48 | <ogra> oh, for cluster
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| 08:48 | yeah
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| 08:48 | <frin> sbalneav: setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout si
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| 08:48 | <ogra> Gadi, francis and stgraber will be at the hackfest ...
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> cool
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| 08:49 | there are definitely things we can merge
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| 08:49 | <ogra> i hope we can get their stuff included then
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| 08:49 | yeah
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> there are some parts that we prolly can't
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| 08:49 | <ogra> the hacked up ltsp_config needs some love
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> but, maybe we can find a better way
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| 08:49 | and udev rules
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| 08:49 | <ogra> right
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| 08:49 | but these can be handled differently
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> right
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> I'm looking over cdpinger right now.
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| 08:56 | <stgraber> the idea is to have an easy way to install the cluster packages on top of standard LTSP, we currently have to overwrite one file and that's the part I want to solve first.
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| 08:56 | ltsp-cluster-client is currently the only packages I have tested with Intrepid, I'll be uploading the others as I test and clean them
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| 08:56 | <ogra> right, we just need some special casing
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| 09:02 | <stgraber> some of our users at the office are betatesting the Intrepid code and LDM so we can have a list of wanted changes by the hackfest. I also have a list of ugly things we are doing and I don't want to keep that'll need a clean solution.
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| 09:02 | main issue being that our users use KDE and not gnome :(
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> stgraber: Well, we start Xsession after login, so that shouldn't matter. Are you wanting a Qt greeter?
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| 09:24 | * ogra glares a scott | |
| 09:24 | <ogra> do you plan to start QT hacking ? :)
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> Oh, heck no.
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| 09:25 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> But maybe we could find/enlist/bribe/coerce/force a Qt aware developer to write us one :)
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| 09:26 | <ogra> sure :)
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| 09:27 | i wouldnt object :)
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> I can just barely function in the Gnome toolkit, and I never learned C++
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| 09:27 | <ogra> but since even opensuse swithed to gnome ...
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> So Qt would be too big a hurdle for me
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| 09:27 | <ogra> i think qt is easy if you are willing to learn it :)
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| 09:28 | it doesnt have all the hbox/vbox insanities gnome has
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| 09:28 | but you still need to touch C++
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| 09:28 | anyway, need to rush out
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| 09:29 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq!
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| 09:30 | <monteslu> did opensuse's switch have anything to do with miguel being an employee?
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| 09:30 | shame that they moved to an inferior desktop :)
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| 09:32 | <sbalneav> twm's the only good desktop.
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| 09:32 | <monteslu> twm-gl
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| 09:32 | <monteslu> gotta use my geforce 9000 series for something
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| 09:33 | <jammcq> what desktop did they move to?
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| 09:33 | <cyberorg> monteslu, opensuse is the only distro that has icewm, fvwm, kde3/4, gnome and xfce on its official media
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| 09:33 | <monteslu> gnome according to ogra
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| 09:33 | <jammcq> I use Gnome and Like it.
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| 09:34 | <monteslu> cyberorg, most distros have all of them in a repository. But testing only ever seems to occur on the default one
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| 09:34 | <jammcq> most distros are using Gnome as the default
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| 09:34 | <monteslu> shame
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| 09:34 | <jammcq> pfff
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| 09:34 | <monteslu> hah
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| 09:34 | <jammcq> desktop wars belong in another channel
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| 09:34 | <monteslu> ok, how about them pistons?
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| 09:35 | <jammcq> now yer talking
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| 09:35 | <cyberorg> jammcq, good idea :)
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| 09:35 | you guys saw my flying machines?
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| 09:36 | <jammcq> huh?
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| 09:36 | <stgraber> sbalneav: the problem is things like sound (pulseaudio) and localdevice (ltspfs), those two work out of the box with gnome but not with kde
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| 09:36 | <cyberorg> jammcq, very OT http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/
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| 09:37 | those fly in my office
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| 09:37 | <monteslu> and they work out of the box, becuase of inertia behind that desktop. not because it's a better desktop... but, like jammcq said
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| 09:37 | <jammcq> wow
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| 09:38 | <stgraber> sbalneav: we are also planning to integrate FreeNX with ldm as we are already using it for people connecting from the outside
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> stgraber: Well, localdevices should work with kde, I just don't think anyone's done the patches yet tohave stuff "pop up" when mounted in /media
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| 09:39 | As for the pulse, doesn't KDE's sound arch support pulse?
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| 09:39 | <stgraber> not yet, KDE4 will
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| 09:40 | <cyberorg> sbalneav, there is a script in examples that we use, creates icons on desktop
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| 09:40 | <stgraber> anyway, we are working on Intrepid and our next stable release will be Jaunty so that'll be kde4 anyway
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| 09:42 | <jammcq> hey, can anybody tell me if Perl 5.10 will be in intrepid?
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| 09:42 | perl -v, if you happen to have an intrepid box running
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| 09:44 | <stgraber> perl | 5.10.0-11.1ubuntu2 | intrepid | source, amd64, i386
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| 09:44 | <jammcq> ah, cool
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| 09:44 | thanks
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| 09:44 | <stgraber> np
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| 09:47 | <sbalneav> brb, more coffee
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> stgraber: when you say "integrate FreeNX", do you mean just having a screen script that runs nxclient, or do you mean merging it into ldm (with ldm greeter as frontend)?
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| 11:02 | <stgraber> Gadi: we plan to use only part of NX, that's starting the nxproxy both side, then start the session in the nxproxy
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| 11:02 | Gadi: so we'll be able to use the suspend feature, compression and similar things without needing a complete NX client
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| 11:11 | <vagrantc> wow.
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| 11:11 | stgraber: totally free software, then?
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> stgraber: what about nxagent?
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| 11:22 | do you need that, too?
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| 11:22 | I think that is what handles the packet dance stuff
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| 11:23 | btw: for nxproxy client side, I think we'll have to split out X from ldm at that point
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| 11:23 | another good reason to split it out
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| 11:28 | * vagrantc needs to take a look at gadi's branch... | |
| 11:35 | * Gadi has no working branch with X split out as yet, vagrantcs | |
| 11:35 | <Gadi> *vagrantc
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| 11:35 | hehe
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| 11:35 | I have been too busy to get it going
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> what was the branch you posted not so long ago?
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> that just added the I* scripts
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| 11:36 | in rc.d/
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> ah yes.
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> that's an easy one
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| 11:36 | one line of C and a few lines of shell
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| 11:38 | <Gadi> https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/ldm-trunk-gadi
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| 11:49 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i'd say go ahead and merge that... or did anyone have objections?
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> well, I'd like a few testers first
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| 11:51 | I don't like to just merge
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| 11:51 | :)
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> what could possibly go wrong? :)
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| 11:52 | <Q-FUNK> hell could freeze over and USA admit that they and Russia are the axis of evil?
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| 11:52 | <Nubae> I wonder, what is the best way to incorporate laptops to the ltsp environment
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| 11:52 | <Nubae> so that people still have their data when they take the laptop home
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| 11:53 | once could do nfs sharing and ldap from the server, but thats not really ltsp anymore and the power savings and centralised management go out the window
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| 11:53 | there must be a better way
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: for some reason, that just reminded me of: http://www.cthulhu.org/
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| 11:55 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: oh, he will be back. he promised! ;)
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| 11:55 | <Gadi> Nubae: make a Sync to Laptop launch icon
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| 11:55 | or app
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| 11:56 | <Nubae> Gadi: ok, so when the laptop disconnects it syncs data?
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> that folks can press to sync home dirs with lappie home dir (if it is Linux) or Documents to My Documents (if it is Windows)
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| 11:56 | <vagrantc> Gadi: so, that's for stuff like running the numlock setting scripts and such?
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| 11:56 | <Nubae> so they use ltsp when its available but local when not
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> I would do it when user logs out or when they press a button
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| 11:57 | <vagrantc> Gadi: the ldm patch
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| 11:57 | <Nubae> right when they log out would be nice
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> vagrantc: yeah - numlock, setxkbmap, etc
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| 11:57 | <Nubae> so whats needed on the client end... same user as ltsp user I suppose
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> Nubae: nope
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| 11:58 | Nubae: all that's needed is for ltspfs to mount thei hdd
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| 11:58 | *their
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| 11:58 | <Nubae> ok
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| 11:58 | <Gadi> actually, wait
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| 11:58 | yeah
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| 11:59 | if you want to preserve ownership, you need to know the uid/gid of the laptop user
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| 11:59 | or you can not care
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| 11:59 | <Nubae> well problem is that it needs to synch 2 ways
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| 11:59 | from laptop to server as well
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| 11:59 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:00 | <Nubae> and it would be nice to sync gnome settings and firefox settings
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| 12:00 | <Gadi> is it all Linux?
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| 12:00 | <Nubae> yeah
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| 12:00 | would be an interesting project... surely a useful little script
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> then, your script can look into the /etc/password file of the hdd
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| 12:01 | er, /etc/passswd
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| 12:01 | you know what I mean
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| 12:01 | if it is a local user
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| 12:01 | and pull the uid/gid
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| 12:01 | <Nubae> the laptop or the server?
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| 12:02 | <Gadi> (remember, ltspfs will mount the entire partition)
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| 12:02 | on the laptop
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| 12:02 | of course, now you need to be aware of how it is partitioned
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| 12:02 | :)
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| 12:02 | but, all that can be in a config file for your script
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| 12:02 | <Nubae> right, but one can set rules for that... like having the same user as on the server
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> right - or have a mapping
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| 12:03 | <Nubae> how would mapping work?
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> user "joe" on server == user "joseph" on laptop
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| 12:03 | <Nubae> yeah, where I mean
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| 12:04 | <Gadi> oh, in your config file
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| 12:04 | <Nubae> ok, right
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| 12:04 | <Gadi> your script will basically do this:
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| 12:04 | 1. pull the uid/gid for the laptop user from the laptop hdd
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| 12:04 | 2. sync the home dir for the server user to the laptop user (and vice versa)
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| 12:05 | 3. modify the uid/gids as needed
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| 12:06 | <Nubae> thanks, I'll give it a shot
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> so, your config file should have things like directories to sync, which partition has the passwd file on the laptop, ...
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| 12:07 | then, you can also have a mapping file of server users to laptop users
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| 12:07 | <Nubae> and for synching gnome settings and firefox settings, guess I need to go look where all that is held on the drives
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> NOTE: Syncing data increases the possibility of data corruption, so make sure there are backups
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| 12:08 | <Nubae> ok, and in theory, the distro on the laptop is irrelevant
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| 12:08 | right?
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 12:08 | for just docs, yeah
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| 12:08 | for settings, you may have different versions of software
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| 12:09 | <Nubae> really, gnome and firefox differ across distros?
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| 12:09 | <Gadi> gnome for sure
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| 12:09 | firefox possibly
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| 12:09 | <Nubae> oh well, then its ubuntu only :-)
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| 12:09 | * Gadi recalls the crazy days of fc1 to fc3 migrations | |
| 12:10 | <Gadi> where all the gnome stuff didn't migrate
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| 12:10 | Nubae: the "safest" approach would be to sync only the Documents folders
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| 12:10 | <Q-FUNK> yikes
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> and have people save to their Documents folder
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| 12:11 | <Nubae> well, I guess testing can take out the kinks
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| 12:11 | still this will keep the 'cloud computing will take over the world, ltsp is a thing of the past' scaremongers at bay...
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| 12:11 | :-)
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| 12:12 | and this config file, it would be held on the laptop?
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| 12:12 | <Gadi> no on the server
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| 12:13 | where your script is
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| 12:13 | <Nubae> ah, doh!
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| 12:15 | mounting the laptop drive via ltspfs, this is turned off by default somewhere
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> in the client's udev rules
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| 12:15 | *chroot's*
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| 12:15 | there is a REMOVABLE = 1
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| 12:15 | clause
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| 12:15 | <Nubae> ok, so I could pass that from the script
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| 12:24 | <etyack> question about users in same group seeing local storage on every desktop. is there a fix for this in Fedora Core 9, other than individual groups?
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| 12:25 | <johnny> no..
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| 12:25 | that is the way to do it afaik
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| 12:25 | it seems like it would be nice to tie it to consolekit somehow tho
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| 12:25 | <etyack> if i recall this is an issue with gvfs correct?
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| 12:26 | <johnny> not really
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| 12:26 | it manifests itself there tho
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| 12:26 | i don't know if consolekit solution woudl work, but i thought that was the point of consolekit
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| 12:27 | <sbalneav> etyack: It's a problem with gvfs simply looking at the perms, and not actually doing an access() call to see if the stuff can actually be accessed.
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| 12:28 | the author of gvfs is reluctant to put in the access call, since it may hang on network filesystems
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| 12:28 | that are disconnected.
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| 12:28 | of course
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| 12:28 | <etyack> is this a topic for BTS?
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| 12:29 | <sbalneav> if the network share's disconnected
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| 12:29 | looking at the perms would have hung it anyway :)
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| 12:29 | but that's his reasoning.
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| 12:29 | <etyack> this sure seems to affect a lot of people
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| 12:29 | <sbalneav> I'll be re-doing my groups this weekend at legalaid to fix the problem.
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| 12:29 | <etyack> i use common groups all the time
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| 12:30 | <sbalneav> Apparently, that's the "old" way of doing things.
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| 12:30 | <etyack> hmm. and the new way is?
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| 12:30 | <sbalneav> Every user gets their own group, and functional groups are separate.
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| 12:31 | so instead of sbalneav:headoffice, now it's
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| 12:31 | <sbalneav> sbalneav:sbalneav
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| 12:31 | and headoffice:x:1000:sbalneav,user1,user2, etc
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| 12:31 | <etyack> are you using sticky bits for file permissions?
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| 12:32 | <sbalneav> I set the g+s for shared dirs, so all files are group owned by the same group, yes.
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| 12:32 | <johnny> sticky..
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| 12:33 | <etyack> g+s is what i ment, sorry t is sticky
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| 12:35 | <sbalneav> I knew what you ment :)
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| 12:35 | <etyack> no need to confuse others... you know me too well
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| 12:35 | <sbalneav> It's worked well for us. In between some LTSP debugging, I've got a copy of my work's LDAP database here at home, and I'm just re-organizing things now.
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| 13:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: trying to get LTSP working in Fedora 10 alpha...
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| 13:02 | running the ltsp-server-initialise -y is no longer creating a bridge
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| 13:03 | and during initial testing, tftp does not seem to be working right, even though the client can pull an IP address.
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| 13:04 | yes, I have shut off iptables
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| 13:05 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: ltsp-server-initialize is totally unsupported
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| 13:05 | _UsUrPeR_: I didn't write it
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| 13:05 | _UsUrPeR_: I never use it
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| 13:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: oh! :D in that case.... have you given Fedora 10 a try yet? :P
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| 13:05 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: alpha is a bit old now
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| 13:06 | _UsUrPeR_: I'd try it again after beta is out
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| 13:06 | _UsUrPeR_: dependent mainly on kernel and X bugs I think
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| 13:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: yeah, I've noticed some weird stuff in there pertaining to assignment of IP addresses while installing
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| 13:07 | and it has been an adventure since then
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| 13:25 | <AlienX_> warren: you're missing all the POS stuff over here ;)
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| 13:36 | <warren> AlienX_: what are you talking about?
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| 13:37 | <AlienX_> warren: heh, I'm working with Bryan Smith
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| 13:37 | s/working/"working"
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| 13:37 | <johnny> warren!
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| 13:37 | howdy
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| 13:37 | <warren> I'm not doing so well health wise
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| 13:37 | <johnny> :(
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| 13:37 | <warren> surgery was mnoday
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| 13:37 | <johnny> i was just gonna ask you how you were doing :(
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| 13:37 | <warren> not good
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| 13:37 | <johnny> moving towards being better?
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| 13:38 | or not sure yet?
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| 13:39 | <warren> unclear at the moment
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| 13:39 | <johnny> :(
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| 13:39 | <AlienX_> best of luck to you
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| 13:39 | <johnny> yeah..
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| 13:40 | <warren> AlienX_: where do you work?
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| 13:40 | <AlienX_> warren: HD for the moment
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> warren: chicken soup...
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| 13:40 | with kreplach
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| 13:40 | <AlienX_> warren: i was being completely facetious about you helping out.
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| 13:47 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i think i'll upload to debian experimental with your rc.d/I* patch.
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| 13:47 | Gadi: but not commit upstream...
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| 13:47 | <johnny> so what is the use case?
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> ooh... does that mean you tested?
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| 13:47 | <vagrantc> Gadi: well, i can test that it doesn't break other things.
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> you can also test it by making a file like: I00xterm that launches xterm
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| 13:48 | <vagrantc> oh yeah. will do that.
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| 13:48 | i've been wanting that anyways.
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| 13:50 | <warren> vagrantc: why debian but not upstream?
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> LDM_EARLY_DEBUG_TERMINAL ...
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| 13:50 | warren: just easier to test
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| 13:50 | <johnny> we need one earlier than the one now?
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> warren: will commit upstream if it works.
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| 13:50 | <johnny> that one seems early enough
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> johnny: the one now doesn't happen until after login
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| 13:51 | johnny: so if you're trying to troubleshoot why login is failing...
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| 13:51 | <johnny> ah
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| 13:51 | so.. is there a reason xdg autostart scripts wouldn't run when login in via ldm ?
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| 13:51 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, "Launch xterm" in ldm preference would be nice
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: optional, sure.
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| 13:52 | cyberorg: but giving a root terminal by default seems like a *bad* idea.
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| 13:52 | <cyberorg> right
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| 13:53 | may be terminal like xdm has that displays /var/log/ldm.log?
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| 13:53 | non interactive
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| 13:54 | * warren back to sleep | |
| 13:55 | <cyberorg> warren, 'night :)
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| 13:57 | <johnny> cyberorg, that's a neat idea
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> Gadi: well, it basically works, although it X things seem to get displayed behind the greeter itself.
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| 14:15 | so should work fine for numlockx and such, but if you actually need something to get displayed to the user, it wouldn't work so well.
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> you aren't running xterm in the background, are you?
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> Gadi: define in the background?
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> with an amphersand
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> yeah, like that.
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| 14:19 | suppose it would be clearer to run without the &
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> if you do not, then it should wait until you exit out of xterm before launching greeter
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| 14:19 | since there is no window manager, you cannot have both
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> well, you can have both, it's just if they overlap you won't be able to see the other
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> talk about symantics
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> but the greeter pretty much takes up the full screen
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| 14:25 | Gadi: also, once the window manager starts up, you can actually use the xterm
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| 14:25 | Gadi: that's how i knew it was working
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> heh
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> Gadi: committed and pushed.
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> cool - the next commit should be ripping out setxkbmap from the C code
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| 14:25 | :)
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| 14:35 | <Lns> This really isn't high-priority to me (as I'm sure I'm the one that sets priorities ;) ) but it'd be nice to have a dummy "Unmount volume" option on TCs' removable media. Even though it wouldn't do anything besides remove the icon, it would be nice to have it at least LOOK like standard mounted stuff.. it's always throwing me a bit off, and I'm sure it's confusing to others that don't understand how LTSP localdev stuff works at all
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| 14:35 | <Lns> Just my $0.02... /me runs away now
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> Lns: that falls in line with ogra's merge of hal into the chroot... it'll happen, eventually
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| 14:36 | :)
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> none too soon, also, with hal-aware Xorg imminent
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| 14:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> Support for localapps will be appearing in ibex and fedora 10 right?
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| 14:47 | sorry, built-in support that is.
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| 14:53 | <johnny> i think support for them.. but you'll have to manually configure it
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| 14:54 | ie: create your own .desktop entries for them
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| 14:54 | or modify existing ones
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| 14:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> Ok. On another note, what's the tentative release for Fedora 10?
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| 14:55 | <johnny> perhaps only warren knows
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| 14:55 | fedora seems under represented in ltsp
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| 14:55 | almost as under represented as gentoo
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| 14:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah
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| 15:03 | <warren> johnny: excuse me?
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| 15:03 | johnny: If you look at checkins I've been doing the majoriyt of the work upstream in the last year.
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| 15:04 | <johnny> that's what i meant :)
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| 15:04 | YOU
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| 15:04 | just you :)
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| 15:04 | <warren> The fedora schedule is public
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| 15:04 | <johnny> i wasn't slagging you or anything
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| 15:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: I just looked here http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=fedora and realized that was today
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| 15:04 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Schedule
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| 15:05 | _UsUrPeR_: what was toda?
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| 15:05 | <johnny> see therey ou go _UsUrPeR_ .. altho a google search could have told you
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| 15:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 15:06 | warren: are localapps supposed to be better supported in 10?
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| 15:06 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: yes
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| 15:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> k cool
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| 15:32 | <jorgezer0> Anyone here works with LTSP in RedHat Enterprise 5?
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| 15:34 | <johnny> nope
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| 15:35 | err nope, not me
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| 15:35 | we have nobody official from rhel , just fedora
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| 15:36 | <jorgezer0> but a read about a solution do RHEL... and something about build the clint ond fedora...
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| 15:37 | do you know about this?
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| 15:44 | <johnny> nope
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| 15:44 | never played with rhel except on dedicated web servers
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| 15:47 | <jorgezer0> so... thanks...
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| 15:48 | <johnny> try back later when more folks might be about
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| 16:57 | <Lns> Gadi: oh thank you =) I didn't know that (re: hal in chroot)
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| 17:02 | <johnny> Lns, yes xorg will use hal stuff instead of it's own
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| 17:02 | for input hotplug and whatnot
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| 17:04 | <Lns> johnny: that's def. a good thing(tm)! =)
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| 17:05 | Hopefully that will drastically reduce the amount of video driver related issues on TCs
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| 17:05 | <johnny> except it increases the memory
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| 17:05 | required on thin clients
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| 17:05 | by about 3 mb
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| 17:07 | * gbolte dumps another gig of ram on the thin clients | |
| 17:07 | <gbolte> :P
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| 17:08 | <cliebow> gbolte:heh..mine will Never see 128...
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| 17:09 | <Lns> wow...additional 3mb huh? :(
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| 17:10 | <johnny> it'd be nice
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| 17:10 | <Lns> I guess the days of "Run Pent. II or higher thin-clients w/only 64mb ram" are gone!
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| 17:10 | <johnny> if somebody would compile the whole chroot with uclibc
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| 17:10 | that would be neat
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| 17:11 | <gbolte> cliebow, I think most of ours are running 512...
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| 17:12 | <johnny> Lns, i think if you knew how to customize your chroot.. you could drop it down pretty low
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| 17:12 | <gbolte> a few are running 256
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| 17:12 | <johnny> much lower than the super generalized install you normallly get
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| 17:13 | <cliebow> mine were of course rscued from thecrusher..
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| 17:13 | <Lns> johnny: true, that makes sense
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| 17:14 | <gbolte> lol cliebow
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| 17:15 | yeah ours were specifically purchased for this use
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| 17:19 | <johnny> and if you could compile it with uclibc instead of glibc, it'd be much smaller.. but i don't know if x itself could do that..
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| 17:34 | <gord_> anyone got thoughts for low-spec p2 thin clients playing MP4s? very low bitate ones, (training and vidoescreencaps mainly, 1 to 4 fps) I'm talking of 30 mins of stuff in a 25MB file, not DVD quality. VLC silently bombs out, Mplayer too, on LTSP client, while all play fine on the host server locally. Am i missing something? I dont admin LTSP much, i admit. Ubuntu 8.04.1 LTS + LTSP 10/100 switched, zero congestion, (fat client plays from that
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| 17:34 | physical location no problem with MUCH fatter vids)
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| 17:35 | ^oops fat client should read standalone machine, not fat-thinclient
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> gord_, have you tried LDM_DIRECTX=True in lts.conf? Low spec thin clients have cpu problems with ssh compression + video...
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| 17:42 | <gord_> aha, I'll give that a go tomorrow, is that the thing that pushes the video info unencrypted but everything else is ssh-ed?
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> X unencypted
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> Yes, it's about sending unencrypted data, but I'm not sure which. OK, thanks vagrantc
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> hence the X in DIRECTX
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| 17:43 | very little is using ssh when LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 17:44 | <gord_> excellent, many thanks. at moment whole ltsp is totally standalone from the cloud and physically secure so i have no probs with that security-wise, but I'll make mental not for other situations. Thanks both
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| 18:54 | <Lns> vagrantc: does LDM_DIRECTX have any implications at all regarding normal usage, besides obviously disabling encryption? Do any apps assume SSH is being used and will be broken if used at all, or no?
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> Lns: we've got most, if not all of that, worked out
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| 18:57 | Lns: should work fine.
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| 18:58 | <Lns> vagrantc: cool. Just curious.
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| 19:47 | <sofian> hi folks
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| 19:48 | <gbolte> hi
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| 19:48 | <sofian> I'm on a usb key debugging mission and I am not sure how to determine which vt number to use in the following command
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| 19:48 | ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.2.10 192.168.2.10 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"
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| 19:51 | <gbolte> is .10 your server
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| 19:51 | ?
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| 19:51 | <sofian> yes
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| 19:51 | based on the output of an ifconfig command run directly from the server
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| 19:52 | <gbolte> k
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| 19:52 | well that command gets ran from the client as far as I can tell
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| 19:52 | <sofian> yup
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| 19:52 | only I'm not sure how to determine which vt I should be using
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| 19:52 | <gbolte> oh
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| 19:52 | ?
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| 19:53 | <sofian> I would have assumed 7, but when I tried that command I got a cannot open x server error
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| 19:53 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 19:53 | <sofian> sorry "Cannot open X display"
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| 19:53 | <gbolte> oh
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| 19:53 | well wait
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| 19:54 | what issue are you having with usb drives?
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| 19:54 | <sofian> I'm trying to identify that.
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| 19:55 | They do not show up on the thin clients gnome desktops...
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| 19:55 | <gbolte> ah ok
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| 19:55 | <sofian> Other than that, everything is green
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| 19:55 | I have been running through the troubleshooting on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 19:58 | <gbolte> and your X display is running on vt7 I assume?
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| 19:59 | <sofian> You know what - let me check
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| 19:59 | <gbolte> :)
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| 19:59 | <sofian> yes
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| 19:59 | heh
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| 19:59 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 20:00 | well I dont know whats up...if you stick around someone who knows more might be able to help
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| 20:00 | <sofian> thankee
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| 20:00 | <gbolte> I am not even running ubuntu so I am not sure if their setup is different than ours
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| 20:01 | <sofian> maybe I'll check back tomorrow I'm feeling pretty burnt at this point.
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| 20:01 | Thanks
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| 20:01 | <gbolte> ah
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| 20:01 | ok
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| 20:01 | yeah come back tomorrow earlier in the day
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| 20:02 | its 9pm where you are?
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| 21:34 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:34 | On channel
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| 21:37 | <jammcq> hey
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| 21:37 | how you doing?
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| 21:38 | <sbalneav> Not too shabby
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| 21:38 | <jammcq> sbalneav: hey, you use hylafax?
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| 21:42 | <sbalneav> No, I don't
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| 21:43 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 21:43 | <sbalneav> we rigged up a cool little doohikey with efax and cups
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| 21:43 | <jammcq> hmm, i've been using hylafax for years, but i'm having a hard time figuring out how to raise the priority of a fax
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| 21:43 | <sbalneav> You print to a printer, it pops up a box on your screen asking you for the phone number, and the fax goes out.
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| 21:43 | <jammcq> i'm doing some testing, and I want my test fax to go before the 30 or so faxes in the queue
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| 21:44 | we send out about 300 faxes a day, I can't have a window popping up for each one
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| 21:44 | and hylafax works great for that, it's just i'm trying to do something different
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| 21:47 | <loather-work> sbalneav: i'd be interested in the details
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| 21:53 | <sbalneav> loather-work: It's just a shell script implemented as a cups backend.
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| 21:55 | <jammcq> welp, it's bed time for me
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| 21:55 | see ya'll tomorrow
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| 21:56 | <sbalneav> Night jammcq!
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| 21:59 | <loather-work> sbalneav: sweet. mind if i grab a copy?
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| 22:11 | <sbalneav> Don't have it here right now, it's at work.
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| 22:11 | Pop in tomorrow, and I can send it to you.
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| 22:36 | <loather-work> certainly :)
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| 22:36 | thanks!
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