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Channel log from 24 June 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:40 | <zoon> Hi guys, I'm stuck with edubuntu 8.04. /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is set to give dhcp from a certain range, and when I start a thin client, it gets the same IP as my server ! Duh ?
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| 03:40 | Karma points for those who have an idea...
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| 06:09 | <Mary_ux> hi every1
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| 06:09 | <RichEd-> hi guys
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| 06:09 | <Mary_ux> any1 knows how can i create an user who can only login on a specific machine??
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| 06:09 | <RichEd-> Mary_ux needs some advice
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| 06:09 | <Mary_ux> I am using LTSP
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| 06:10 | <RichEd-> "I want to allow a specific user to log onto one specific computer only"
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| 06:10 | <Mary_ux> :) thanks riched
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| 06:10 | <RichEd-> ogra: ?? suggestions ?
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| 06:11 | <RichEd-> moquist is good to ask ... but he is on US time ... he'll be around later if ogra does not reply
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| 06:11 | <Mary_ux> ok
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| 06:14 | <Mary_ux> hiiii
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| 06:14 | i ask it again
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| 06:14 | <rjune> I think both KDM and GDM let you specify whether or not a user is allowed from a given terminal
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| 06:15 | <Mary_ux> anyone knows how can i create an user who can only login on a specific machine??
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| 06:15 | i am using LTSP in top of Ubuntu
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| 06:15 | hi rjune
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| 06:15 | but how can i do that
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| 06:16 | <rjune> run gdm_setup
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| 06:16 | <Mary_ux> "command not found"
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| 06:17 | <RichEd-> Mary_ux: sudo apt-get gdm_setup install
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| 06:17 | <Mary_ux> gdm_setup???!!
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| 06:17 | <rjune> sorry, gdmsetup
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| 06:17 | <ogra_cmpc> ubuntu never used gdm in ltsp :)
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| 06:18 | <rjune> hiya ogra
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| 06:18 | <ogra_cmpc> actually nobody does with ltsp5
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| 06:18 | <RichEd-> ah ... the guru awakes ...
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| 06:18 | <ogra_cmpc> hey
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| 06:18 | <ogra_cmpc> RichEd-, you ... here ?!?
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| 06:18 | <rjune> his knowledge is fresher than mine
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| 06:18 | <Mary_ux> hi ogra
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| 06:18 | why nobody does it in ltsp5
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| 06:18 | ??!!
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| 06:18 | <RichEd> ogra: hand holding a user to help her get support :)
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| 06:19 | <ogra_cmpc> well, i have no solution either though but given that everything is ssh based i bet you can do something on that level
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| 06:19 | Mary_ux, becuse its transport is extremely unsafe, you can even take screenshots by just sniffing the traffic on the network
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| 06:20 | ltsp5 uses ldm which is kind of a graphical ssh client
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| 06:20 | <Mary_ux> ok
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| 06:20 | but the login process is dealed by the server isnt it
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| 06:21 | <ogra_cmpc> right, by sshd on the server
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| 06:21 | <Mary_ux> cant i setup a user policy in the server so lets say user John can only login in terminal 3 (10.0.0.3)
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| 06:23 | <Mary_ux> I thought that would b a easy task
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| 06:24 | <ogra_cmpc> well, looks at the sshd documentation, the AllowUsers option seems to be able to restrict by user@host
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| 06:24 | *look
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| 06:25 | <Mary_ux> ok
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| 06:25 | i see
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| 06:26 | I will av a look in d sshd docu
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| 06:26 | can u provided me a link
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| 06:26 | <ogra_cmpc> no idea if this works though, its the first time in the three years i'm here this comes up, so there is no general way or something
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| 06:27 | <Mary_ux> :) ok
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| 06:27 | <ogra_cmpc> well, man sshd in a terminal on your server should be a start :)
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| 06:27 | <Mary_ux> i though it was a common task
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| 06:27 | <ogra_cmpc> not really
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| 06:27 | <Mary_ux> lets say i av a networ using LTSP clients in my company
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| 06:28 | <ogra_cmpc> at least i'v neot seen it yet and i'm around here a lot
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| 06:28 | <Mary_ux> I want the each member of the staff to just login in his/her machine
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| 06:28 | mayb it s there a better approach i dont realise
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| 06:29 | <ogra_cmpc> ah, man sshd_config has the proper description
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| 06:30 | <Mary_ux> ok i avin a look
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| 06:30 | <ogra_cmpc> seems to also work with groups
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| 06:30 | <Mary_ux> interesting
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| 06:31 | i ll try the allowUsers
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| 06:31 | but where must i enter this directive???
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| 06:31 | <ogra_cmpc> i guess you need to put AllowUsers into /etc/ssh/sshd_config followed by a space separated list of user@host
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| 06:32 | i.e.
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| 06:32 | <Mary_ux> ok
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| 06:32 | <ogra_cmpc> allowUsers user1@host1 user2@host2 etc
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| 06:32 | err
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| 06:32 | AllowUsers
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| 06:32 | (rigght capitalization is important)
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| 06:32 | <Mary_ux> yep u right
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| 06:33 | <ogra_cmpc> after adding that, dont forget to restart the sshd
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| 06:33 | <Mary_ux> ok I ll try it
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| 06:33 | i ll let u know how it is goin
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| 06:33 | :)
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| 06:33 | thanks very much
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| 06:34 | heyy, do u think that is the best approach??
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| 06:34 | i am a bit conffusing thet never come up in d chat
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| 06:34 | <ogra_cmpc> well, there was no demand yet
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| 06:35 | i see the needfulness here though
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| 06:35 | <Mary_ux> ok
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| 06:37 | av a nice day ogra
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| 06:37 | and ok, eve1 av a nice day
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| 06:37 | :)
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| 06:37 | <ogra_cmpc> :)
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| 09:21 | <Q-FUNK> it has to be said that the SRU process is a realy PITA.
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| 09:21 | <ogra> you guys should have used IRC ... the bug just exploded :)
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| 09:22 | * ogra didnt have any probs with the SRU process yet | |
| 09:24 | <rjune> sru?
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| 09:24 | <ogra> stable release updae in ubuntu
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| 09:24 | for LTS releases we do bugfix updates since hardy
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| 09:26 | (it requires to have the most minimal patch for the fix, a two week quarantine for the package in the hardy-proposed repository and at least two positive ACKs about teh fixed package from testers on the bug affected by the fix)
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| 09:27 | <rjune> I gather this is spilloverfrom another channel?
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| 09:28 | <ogra> this is Q-FUNK complaining about his geode fixes
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| 09:28 | <rjune> ah
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| 09:28 | well hardy is "stable"
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| 09:28 | <ogra> well, we have the SRU process ... its stable, but not static
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| 09:31 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/219630 in case you are intrested in the geode bug
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| 09:32 | <rjune> right, stable != static
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| 09:32 | stable == not going to do wonky
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| 09:33 | things
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| 09:33 | <ogra> right
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| 09:33 | thats why we have this policy
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| 13:13 | <barbosa> ogra, hi
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| 13:30 | <warren> I wrote up a python script that can set the keyboard layout from XKB* environment variables
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| 13:31 | but then I realized that rc.d happens AFTER not before login
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| 13:31 | so I think I have to implement this in C as part of ldm itself
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| 13:33 | <ogra> or as external script thats called by the screen script or so
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| 13:34 | <warren> ogra: well, it has to happen immediately after the X server is run
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| 13:34 | <ogra> i was pondering often to just have an setxkbmap and not need the xorg.conf anymore
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| 13:34 | *setxkbmap call
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| 13:35 | <warren> yeah
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| 13:35 | that's one way
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| 13:35 | or use libxklavier directly
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| 13:35 | <ogra> the most reliable imho
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| 13:35 | indeed, thats another one
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| 13:35 | :)
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| 13:35 | so many streets to rome :)
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| 13:42 | <elisboa> where can I find information about using swap on a thin client?
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| 13:42 | is it necessary some kind of patch on the kernel to use it via nfs, for example?
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| 13:43 | <ogra> what distro ltsp release are you using ?
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| 13:43 | *distro and
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| 13:46 | <elisboa> ogra: LTSP
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| 13:46 | oops
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| 13:46 | ogra: UBUNTU
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| 13:46 | 8.04
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| 13:47 | <ogra> have a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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| 13:47 | <elisboa> I'm usind a 2.6.24 that I've compiled myself
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| 13:47 | <ogra> you can set this up in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 13:47 | <elisboa> ogra: sorry, it's not ltsp, it's a Ubuntu using manual dhcpd, atftp, nfs settings
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| 13:47 | <ogra> oh
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| 13:47 | well, then i cant help if you dont have the ubuntu modules compiled
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| 13:47 | it definately needs ndb
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| 13:48 | nbd
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| 13:48 | <elisboa> ok
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| 13:48 | <ogra> which is the default in a standard ubuntu setup
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| 13:48 | <elisboa> I will check it's availability on my kernel conf
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| 13:48 | ogra: does edubuntu use NBD?
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| 13:48 | <ogra> (we dont use nfs since over a year anymore)
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| 13:48 | edubuntu == ubuntu
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| 13:48 | <elisboa> ogra: is nfs slower/worse in anyway?
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| 13:48 | <ogra> slower
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| 13:49 | nbd uses a compressed image that makes it a tad faster
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| 13:49 | <ogra> and easier to handle since we cn use a writable rootfs thanks to unionfs with this image ....
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| 13:49 | unlike nfs which doesnt work with unionfs
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| 13:50 | that speeds up booting a lot vs the way we got single files and dirs writable in nfs
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| 13:51 | by default the initramfs will try to use nbd swap if your client ram is lower than 48M btw
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| 13:51 | <elisboa> I though that you used nfs as root and NBD just for swap
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| 13:51 | but, are you telling me that unionfs is the root?
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| 13:51 | <ogra> nope, we use nbd devices for everything (apart from mounting usb keys or so)
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| 13:51 | <elisboa> and is NBD really good?
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| 13:52 | I've used NBD some years ago, when LTSP was 3.0, and it really sucked up
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| 13:52 | <ogra> right there is a tmpfs and a squashfs image that get merged togethwer in a unionfs mount, so you get a fully writable /
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| 13:52 | nbd is the awesome :)
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| 13:52 | <elisboa> when I was serving to a lot of floppies, it used to lock up constantly
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| 13:52 | <ogra> it evolved a lot over the years
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| 13:52 | <elisboa> whoa
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| 13:53 | <ogra> it even has its own server side copy on write mode
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| 13:53 | <elisboa> is NBD support officialy on the kernel or must I apply a patch?
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| 13:53 | <ogra> so you could have a similar setup without squashfs and unionfs just by setting up nbd correctly
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| 13:53 | <elisboa> hmm, got the point
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| 13:53 | <ogra> its by default in the ubuntu kernel
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| 13:53 | no idea if its upstream or not
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| 13:54 | ight be in the linux-ubuntu-modules package which has all the cool stuff thats not upstream
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| 13:54 | *might
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| 13:55 | <elisboa> ogra: if I install a nbd server on the server and a client on the thin client, will I be able to create a swap device and use it?
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| 13:55 | because, if I create a swapfile on a nfs share, swapon just doesn't let me use it
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| 13:56 | <warren> elisboa: it works that way by default in fedora ltsp
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| 13:56 | dunno about other distros
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| 13:56 | <elisboa> warren: thanks
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| 13:56 | <ogra> warren, with hand build vanilla kernel ?
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| 13:56 | <warren> huh?
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| 13:56 | <elisboa> I will try it here
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| 13:56 | <ogra> thats what elisboa is using
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| 13:56 | <warren> no
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| 13:56 | <ogra> :)
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| 13:57 | <warren> fedora's standard i586 kernel
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| 13:57 | ogra: so I suppose setxkbmap is the easier way to implement this
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| 13:57 | ogra: libxklavier doesn't seem to be documented at all
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| 13:58 | <elisboa> does swap via NBD works reliable on a 10/100 network with 20 thin clients?
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| 13:58 | <ogra> elisboa, just setting SWAP_SERVER and NBD_PORT on all ltsp5 implementations with default kernels/setups should do it
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| 13:58 | its a core ltsp5 feature
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| 13:58 | <elisboa> 100 megabits full duplex
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| 13:58 | <ogra> warren, i never worked with libxklavier
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| 13:58 | <warren> if you're swapping you are already in trouble...
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| 13:58 | <ogra> that as well :)
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| 13:58 | <elisboa> that's right
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| 13:59 | <ogra> but its a safety net for say saving your open documents after the system has calmed down
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| 13:59 | <elisboa> even locally swapping is slow, I agree
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| 13:59 | hmm
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| 13:59 | it's like an emergency measeure
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| 13:59 | a last resort
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| 13:59 | <ogra> with swap your X wont "just lock up"
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| 13:59 | <elisboa> my firefox just went off, using 80 megs and crashing
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| 13:59 | <warren> it will suck instead of locking up
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| 13:59 | <ogra> it wil just get unusable slow but catch up at some point
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| 13:59 | <elisboa> hahaha
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| 14:00 | <ogra> so you dont lose your unsaved 200 page impress doc you just created without autosave enabled ;)
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| 14:00 | and dont get in trouble with your manager tomorrow ... it can be helpful to have nbd swap ;)
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| 14:01 | warren, i even think setxkbmap supports the original Xorg options all over, so it should be very easy to use
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| 14:02 | <warren> yeah, libxklavier is a lot less straight forward
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| 14:02 | <ogra> and stil a lot younger
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| 14:02 | <warren> "just pass the string, if it blows up, user's fault"
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| 14:02 | <ogra> setxkbmap is ancient and well tested since ages, that would be my main pro point in a comparison
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| 14:03 | 'm sure you could find xklavier docs and example code soemwhere
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| 14:03 | <warren> the next X will set keyboard layout from hal
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| 14:03 | but we'll need something optional until then
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| 14:03 | <ogra> yeah, we discussed that a lot in prague last month
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| 14:03 | i was hping to pul the hal input stuff right in
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| 14:04 | but that might still be to immature
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| 14:04 | <warren> well, you still need a hal provider
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| 14:04 | fedora's hal provider will read it from /etc/sysconfig/keyboard
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| 14:04 | no idea what you will do
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| 14:04 | <ogra> indeed, but we need hal and dbus anyway on the clients at some point
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| 14:04 | <warren> I have hal and dbus on the clients now
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| 14:04 | <ogra> oh, thats what you mean
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| 14:04 | <warren> but it isn't doing anything
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| 14:05 | <ogra> we have /etc/default/console-setup with kbd settings and friends
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| 14:05 | and i think the plan is to make hal-input just use that
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| 14:06 | <Lns> ogra, is that nbdswap port number bug completed and uploaded so if people update packages they won't need to do anything? Is it turned on by default or no?
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| 14:06 | <ogra> (it gets copied from the server to the chroot during build, assuming the clients have the same setup as the server by default)
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| 14:07 | Lns, nbd swap gets turned on automatically if your client has less than 48M ... else you have to set NBD_SWAP=TRue
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| 14:07 | *True
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| 14:07 | the bug is fixed in hardy-updates and n the 8.04.1 CD
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| 14:07 | <Lns> ogra, ty =)
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| 14:08 | ogra, would there be any reason to have it turned off by default? I would think this is a good safety measure, for what you described above (misbehaving firefox/OOo, etc)
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| 14:08 | <warren> ogra: I discovered that X autoconfiguration happens for all other options that are not specified in the confiig file
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| 14:08 | ogra: so I'm going to use a stripped down configure-x.sh for stuff like forcing a screen resolution
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| 14:08 | ogra: but I'm not using the keyboard layout stuff from configure-x.sh.
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| 14:08 | I will instead have it use setxkbmap
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| 14:09 | <ogra> can you make that generic enough that we can all use it ?
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| 14:09 | <warren> yes
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| 14:09 | it'll use XKB* options from lts.conf if they were there
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| 14:09 | <ogra> configure-x was a placeholder until xorg.conf can be dropped
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| 14:09 | <warren> otherwise it doesn't do anything
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| 14:09 | we're pretty close to dropping xorg.conf here
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| 14:09 | <ogra> i'D love to get rid of it but we need to have an option to influence X
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| 14:09 | <warren> keyboard layout was the only legitimate complaint
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| 14:09 | I dont consider forcing screen resolution to be legitimate, but I'm doing it anyway.
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| 14:09 | <ogra> well, ts.conf is in my cae
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| 14:10 | *lts.conf
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| 14:10 | well, that should even work with xrandr
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| 14:10 | but there are other things like DPMS or special driver options to work around bugs etc
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| 14:10 | <warren> yes, thus I'm not taking away xorg.conf entirely
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| 14:10 | it is blank by default here
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| 14:11 | but the user can add stuff
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| 14:11 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:12 | i'd love to be able to do all this without sed'ing ton of lines though
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| 14:12 | <ogra> i.e. at runtime
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| 14:12 | <warren> that's the idea
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| 14:12 | <ogra> iho hal should handle it
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| 14:12 | <warren> lots of what configure-x.sh does is evil
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| 14:12 | <ogra> so we could just set a property
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| 14:12 | yeah, i know
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| 14:12 | its as i said a placeholder to fill the gap until the config can go
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| 14:13 | which seems to be near
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| 14:13 | <warren> I'll do the setxkbmap part first
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| 14:13 | <ogra> (for the fun of it though, i was told that the opensuse livecd team considered configure-x.sh being used by default on their CDs)
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| 14:13 | not sure they stayed with it
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| 14:14 | <warren> I hope they did
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| 14:14 | more crack the better
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| 14:14 | <ogra> but its funny that they seem to like that crappy sed code
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| 14:14 | heh
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| 14:14 | thas so redhat from you :P
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| 14:14 | <warren> you mean we write crappy sed code?
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| 14:15 | (we do)
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| 14:15 | <ogra> who doesnt
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| 14:15 | but not in such big chunks and in one central place like configure-x :)
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| 14:15 | * warren going offline, going to implement this while waiting at the doctor's office | |
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| 15:22 | <Skarmeth> hi all
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| 15:23 | I am using debian etch ltsp and I had problems booting thin clients based on via rhine NIC... It freeze on boot and nothing more...
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| 15:23 | if I use Fedora 8/9 LTSP, it boot, but I can't login to GNOME, just failsafe term and fluxbox
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| 15:24 | any thing I can do to get ride of it in debian?
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| 15:28 | <rjune> w00t
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> Skarmeth: any error messages on the screen? where exactly does it freeze?
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| 15:37 | <Skarmeth> vagrantc, on via rhine module load
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> Skarmeth: are you using the ltsp packages in etch, or the backports from alioth?
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| 15:37 | <Skarmeth> let me boot one to see exactly
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| 15:37 | vagrantc, etch packages
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> there isn't anything specifically LTSP if it's freezing on module load ... might just be an etch problem ...
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| 15:52 | <Skarmeth> I have none of problematic thin clients here now... I will test it later and report
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