IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 30 March 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:40 | <ChinaForge> Hello
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| 00:41 | After I install LTSP-5,have a trouble.
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| 00:41 | vncviewer can't run.
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| 00:41 | Error: couldn't find suitable pixmap format
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| 00:42 | Can you help me?
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| 00:43 | Hello!
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| 00:49 | <sep> ChinaForge, vncviewer on the terminals ? you installed it inside the chroot with apt-get ?
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| 00:49 | i mean outside the chroot
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| 00:49 | and does it work on the server ?
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| 00:56 | <ChinaForge> sep,i all along use for ltsp-4.2.
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| 00:57 | <iMav> "Now coming the opposite direction if you are running the vncviewer on the 24bpp display, TightVNC will fail with "Can't cope with 24 bits-per-pixel. Sorry." and RealVNC will fail with "main: Error: couldn't find suitable pixmap format" so evidently you cannot use 24bpp for the vncviewers to work on that X display."
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| 00:57 | got that from a web page doing a quick google search. http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/
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| 00:58 | So, perhaps color depth has something to do with ti.
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| 00:59 | <ChinaForge> I try 8 bit and 16 bit,false too.
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| 00:59 | <iMav> so 8, 16, 24, and 32 bit all give you the same error?
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| 01:00 | <ChinaForge> yes
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| 01:00 | <iMav> well, that's all I got. :)
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| 01:00 | <sep> ChinaForge, and you did reboot after each time you changed lts.conf right ?
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| 01:00 | <ChinaForge> sep,yes,i reboot.
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| 01:01 | <sep> ChinaForge, i guess i would verify that your X _realy_ used a non24 bpp by looking at the autogenerated x config file. but other then that. i have no idea
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| 01:01 | <ChinaForge> and i not lts.conf,i use default setting.
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| 01:02 | <sep> ChinaForge, if you changed your clients color depth to 8 and 16 bit did you not change that in lts.conf ?
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| 01:03 | <ChinaForge> i use default,nothing setting.
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| 01:05 | <sep> <ChinaForge> I try 8 bit and 16 bit,false too. <. you said that you had tried changing the color depth
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| 01:06 | ChinaForge, if your default it 24 then you need to set 16 or 32 or something in the lts.conf , reboot the client and try again.
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| 01:06 | <ChinaForge> o,i see.
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| 01:07 | <ChinaForge> i must setting lts.conf and vncviewer same?
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| 01:08 | <sep> ChinaForge, there is a example lts.conf in $CHROOT/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client (i belive)
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| 01:08 | ChinaForge, you dont need to set anything in vncviewer afaik
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| 01:10 | <ChinaForge> i can't find /usr/share/doc/ltsp-client file.
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| 01:13 | sep,and i hope update ltsp,i run:sudo chroot /opt/ltsp,but prompt error message:chroot:cannot run command '/bin/bash':No such file or directory,why?
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| 01:14 | <sep> ChinaForge, chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 perhaps ?
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| 01:15 | look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples
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| 01:16 | for the lts.conf example. and copy it to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and edit it.
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| 01:17 | <ChinaForge> sep,chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 is ok,thank you. i search date is old.
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| 01:32 | sep,i forget how to update ltsp kernel,i update for apt-get dist-upgrade.
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| 01:35 | sep,i find by google, sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 01:56 | <ChinaForge> sep,you a right.I copy lts.conf exmple to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ and reboot,vncviewer is ok.
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| 01:56 | sep,I think X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 setting is must for vncviewer.
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| 02:29 | <Bhaskar> I have problem on sound, the sound card is detected but can not hear sound why? Please anyone can help me
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| 04:15 | <Bhaskar> ltspbot, I have problem on sound, the sound card is detected but can not hear sound why? Please can help me
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| 04:15 | <ltspbot> Bhaskar: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
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| 04:15 | <Bhaskar> ltspbot, ok
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| 04:15 | <ltspbot> Bhaskar: Error: "ok" is not a valid command.
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| 04:15 | <Bhaskar> ltspbot,
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| 04:16 | Legenda, I have problem on sound, the sound card is detected but can not hear sound why? Please anyone can help me
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| 04:54 | <Bhaskar> Anybody is there?
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| 04:56 | <iMav> I think everyone is sleeping. :)
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| 05:07 | <Bhaskar> iMav, ya i think so
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| 05:07 | iMav, can u help me about sound problem
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| 05:09 | <iMav> sorry. I have yet to install LTSP. Just interested in doing so. :)
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| 05:14 | <Bhaskar> iMav, its ok,
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| 05:51 | <envite> Hello all from Spain
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| 05:51 | Hola a todos desde España
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| 05:52 | <iMav> Howdy from Kuwait. :)
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| 05:59 | <Bhaskar> envite, can i shut down client? how
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| 06:07 | <Bhaskar> All guy are sleeping...............haha
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| 06:10 | <Bhaskar> kaminski-ltsp-br, hello
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| 06:10 | kaminski-ltsp-br, how can i shut down particular client
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| 06:16 | <envite> Bhaskar:
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| 06:16 | ask question again, please
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| 06:17 | <Bhaskar> envite, how can i shutdown terminal
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| 06:18 | <envite> two ways
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| 06:18 | <Bhaskar> envite, how
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| 06:18 | <envite> first way: go to a local shell in the terminal
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| 06:18 | Ctrl+Alt+F2
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| 06:19 | and write "init 0"
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| 06:19 | probably "halt" works too
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| 06:19 | second way: just use the button or unplug it
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| 06:19 | <cliebow> bhaskar:fwiw..it is possible to ssh into the client from afar and type halt or reboot
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| 06:26 | <Bhaskar> cliebow, fwaw ?
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| 06:26 | cliebow, fwiw is not command
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| 06:27 | envite, I have problem on sound, the sound card is detected but can not hear sound why? Please can you help me
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| 06:27 | <ogra> Bhaskar, which ltsp version are you using ? 4.2 or 5 ?
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| 06:28 | <Bhaskar> ogra, 4.2
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| 06:28 | ogra, k12ltsp
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| 06:29 | <ogra> if yu type "env" if you are logged in through a client, do you see ESPEAKER being set ?
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| 06:30 | <Bhaskar> ogra, no
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| 06:30 | <ogra> thats your problem then ...
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| 06:31 | i'm only working on ltsp5 so i cant help much further, but make sure esd is started on the clietn and this variable is set in the desktop session
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| 06:31 | (i thought k12ltsp sets that up automatically like edubuntu)
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| 06:32 | <Bhaskar> ogra, it detected audio driver but not play in server
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| 06:34 | ogra, i set: sound =y sound daemon= esd smodule_01=cmpci
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| 06:34 | volume=75
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| 06:35 | <ogra> as i said i cant help much more, all that stuff is done quite differently (and automatically) in ltsp5
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| 06:36 | <Bhaskar> ogra, ok
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| 06:36 | <ogra> i'd start by booting a client to cosole and chec if esd is really running and if the module is loaded etc etc
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| 06:36 | <Bhaskar> envite, can u tell me?
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| 06:37 | <ogra> beyond that your session needs the EASPEAKER variable set right
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| 06:39 | <Bhaskar> ogra, no such
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| 08:30 | <mhterres> hello everybody
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:45 | vagrantc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:45 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hi!
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| 08:54 | <ogra> !sbalneav
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| 08:54 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "sbalneav" is Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:55 | <ogra> hey
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> Hey Ogra!
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| 08:55 | Got my invite to UES/UDS
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| 08:55 | Work says "of course you can go", so what's spanish for "beer"?
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| 08:55 | <ogra> vagrantc, can you tell me any reason why we add the loopback interface during boot to /e/n/i ? instead of ltsp-build-client doing it ?
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| 08:55 | sbalneav, YAY
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| 08:56 | sbalneav, meat is "carne" i think :)
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| 08:56 | and beer shoud be cerveza
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| 08:56 | <Blinny> sbalneav: Cervesa!
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| 08:56 | :s;z
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| 08:56 | <ogra> might be right with s :)
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| 08:56 | <-- not speaking spanish :)
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> ogra: I figured out the USB sound thing, the "problem" is in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
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| 08:57 | <ogra> yeah, saw your comment in my backlog
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> ah, good.
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| 08:57 | I don't know if that's a bug or not.
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| 08:57 | <ogra> trying to find out about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/97456
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> I've been testing everything else, it all seems fine except for:
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| 08:58 | NETWORK MANGLER
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| 08:58 | <ogra> its really time for a new profiling session in spain
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| 08:58 | yeah
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| 08:58 | da evil
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| 08:58 | <vagrantc> ogra: because that's the way it's always been done? :)
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| 08:58 | <ogra> Mithrandir promised to have it fixed before next thursday
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| 08:58 | vagrantc, but you dont see any particular reason either for it, do you ?
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| 08:59 | <vagrantc> ogra: not really ... but there's this intuitive hunch that suggests theres a reason...
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| 08:59 | <ogra> i have the problem that lo doesnt come up during the client boot, simply because 02loopback runs before 32ltsp-client-setup
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| 08:59 | * vagrantc thinks it over during breakfast | |
| 09:00 | <ogra> i change it to be a ltsp-buid-client plugin in Ubuntu for now ... but i think it can be a common one
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| 09:02 | * ogra is also hacking on a tkinter based "low ressources mode" for ldm | |
| 09:03 | * vagrantc cringers | |
| 09:03 | * vagrantc cringes | |
| 09:04 | <ogra> why else do we have a greeters dir ... it would be called greeter if there was only one :)
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| 09:05 | <ogra> the slowness in ldm comes only from the greeter loading half of gnome
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| 09:05 | and jammcq managed to make it take over 2 min to come up in the above bug
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| 09:06 | (2min only for ldm)
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> What we really need to do is re-write LDM as a C application.
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| 09:09 | <ogra> nah
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| 09:09 | just withut gtk
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| 09:09 | *without
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| 09:10 | the first version witout themeing was extremly snappy
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| 09:10 | the probem are the pimap loaders for gdk ... they are loaded all at once ... even though we only need png support atm
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| 09:10 | *pixmap
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| 09:11 | rewiting it in C/GTK wouldnt solve it
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| 09:13 | <ogra> sbalneav, but feel free, the slow part is really only the greeter ... anything that throws out an array [user, pass, locale, session] will work as greeter, so rewrite it in plain xlib if you like :)
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> Hmm, Could we re-use the gdm greeter, I wonder....
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| 09:13 | <ogra> probably ... at least patched
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| 09:14 | <sbalneav> Since it's a separate part from gdm.
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| 09:14 | <ogra> you need that above output format
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| 09:14 | <sbalneav> Might be handy. Lets look at it in Espania
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| 09:14 | <ogra> and using a wrapper would slow down again, so you need to patch it
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| 09:14 | im not really keen on C
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| 09:14 | its way to error prone ...
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| 09:15 | <Blinny> Bah.
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| 09:15 | <ogra> the greeter is the most dangerous part we have security wise
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| 09:15 | <Blinny> Lower level languages simply require more diligence.
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| 09:15 | <ogra> so i'd like to keep it in python if possible to exclude the buffer overflow hell
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| 09:16 | and to make it easier for people to contribute
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| 09:16 | <sbalneav> ogra: Wonder if we could use the python-x11 bindings and do something simple with xlib.
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| 09:16 | <ogra> but i wont refuse patches if anyone wants to do the C gui ;)
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| 09:16 | yeah
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| 09:16 | <sbalneav> means brining in more stuff from universe :(
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| 09:16 | <ogra> i thought about python-x11 and rsvg ...
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| 09:17 | if we had tk 8.5 i'd even opt for plain tkinter
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| 09:17 | <ogra> all we need from a toolkit is an entry field and some buttons ...
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> You'd handle the background with just a big image?
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| 09:18 | <ogra> as long as they are themeable with pictures any toolkit would do ... my current simple tkinter test greeter here takes 9k
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| 09:19 | well, if you have rsvg you can have a bg color and a half transparent something on top
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| 09:20 | right, i'D handle the background wither as window bg color or with a big image ... gdm does the same
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| 09:20 | *either
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| 09:21 | preferably with an svg ....
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| 09:26 | <ogra> vagrantc, i also just added a --copy-sourceslist plugin to l-b-c to reuse the servers sources.list
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| 09:27 | i'm cnsidering the same for /etc/hosts and resolv.conf
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| 09:27 | --recycle-resolver or something :)
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| 09:27 | <vagrantc> hmmm...
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| 09:28 | sometimes /etc/hosts contains localhost information that wouldn't be copyable
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| 09:28 | <ogra> another thing i have a bug open about is http_proxy ... seems chroot doesnt set that ...
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| 09:28 | <vagrantc> no.
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| 09:29 | <ogra> so the install fails on proxied systems ... but fixing it would mean to prefix any chroot call :/
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| 09:29 | <vagrantc> you could just export http_proxy
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| 09:29 | do it once, and then it's good.
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| 09:29 | <ogra> generally ? hmm ...
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| 09:29 | roght
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| 09:29 | *right
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| 09:30 | <vagrantc> and have a hook that grabs http_proxy and generates an /etc/apt/conf.d/ snippet that configures the proxy for apt ...
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| 09:30 | but that could also sometimes pull in inappropriate info
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| 09:30 | <ogra> better than failing generally behind proxies
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| 09:31 | i'm not after setting it in the chroot, but after having ltsp-build-client finish properly
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| 09:31 | <vagrantc> i's a corner case, for sure.
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| 09:31 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:31 | <vagrantc> but i just hate introducing corner cases that have no workaround.
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| 09:32 | <ogra> i'm just going through the easily achievable whishlist bugs i have
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| 09:32 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 09:32 | <ogra> ubuntu is in beta freeze, so i cant do big changes
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| 10:03 | <cliebow__> moquist:nelinux.net is very unclear about unh conference....So say i could come to unh how would i register?
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| 10:11 | <vagrantc> ogra: stratus was wondering if you could take a look at and/or comment on http://bugs.debian.org/416692
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| 10:11 | <ogra> i saw it already
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| 10:11 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's about GNOME/ltspfs patches for the multiple icons and such
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| 10:12 | oh, ok...
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| 10:12 | <ogra> oh, no i didnt
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| 10:12 | i thought it was the usbfloppy stuff
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| 10:12 | we have patches for that in ubuntu everywhere
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| 10:12 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 10:12 | <ogra> nautilus, gnomevfs and gnome-power-manager are patched
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| 10:13 | heh, i think thats the ubuntu patch
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| 10:13 | would be great if debian would maintain them ;)
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| 10:13 | <vagrantc> sounds like one of the patches was accepted
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| 10:13 | <ogra> oh
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| 10:13 | <vagrantc> but the other not so
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| 10:13 | <ogra> the 22 one is applied upstream
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| 10:14 | since gnome 2.16 at least
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| 10:19 | <ogra> vagrantc, hmm, i wonder why the 23_ignore_ltspfs_volumes.patch is necessary at all
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| 10:20 | <vagrantc> you'd think the ignore inaccessable volumes would be sufficient
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| 10:20 | <ogra> no, i just see its applied to our source directly and not as dpatch
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| 10:20 | <vagrantc> were we still at an impasse regarding not mounting things to /tmp and skipping the whole bind-mount idea?
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| 10:21 | <ogra> i know it was needed once
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| 10:21 | i want virtual hal devices on the session side at some point
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| 10:21 | <vagrantc> ooooh.
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| 10:21 | <ogra> but that will require a lot of hacking first
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| 10:21 | <vagrantc> indeed.
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| 10:22 | <ogra> but its possible to cheat hal and crate non existing devices ... you will just need to forward them with the right parameters
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| 10:22 | and make hal think its a disk/floppy/cdrom etc
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| 10:25 | <vagrantc> probably less hackful than we're doing now
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| 10:26 | as long as you can still access it as a regular filesystem, too.
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| 10:26 | <ogra> well, mov mounting would already be a big improvemet
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| 10:26 | *move
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| 10:26 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 10:26 | <ogra> hmm, you wont be able fromcommandline i think
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| 10:26 | <vagrantc> i think it would require something suid
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| 10:26 | <ogra> we have lbmount
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| 10:27 | <vagrantc> no access from commandline? heresay!
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| 10:27 | <ogra> specifically for the bindmount
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| 10:27 | <vagrantc> so it's already suid?
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| 10:27 | <ogra> yes
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| 10:27 | <vagrantc> so we'd just have to run a different part suid and skip the bind mout, then?
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| 10:27 | etch appears to be in hard freeze... time to start doing big changes again :)
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| 10:28 | <ogra> just use the same code but change bind to move :)
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| 10:29 | so we skip the /tmp crap
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| 10:29 | and move it directly to /media
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> why does it even need to be moved ? why not just mount directly to /media ?
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| 10:31 | <ogra> vagrantc, because it doesnt work as ltspfs mount
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> peek, poke.
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| 10:31 | <ogra> (you just pointed me to the patch to ignore all ltspfs mounts ;) )
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> The issue was, fuse mounts need the mount dir to be owned by the user.
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| 10:32 | <ogra> right
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| 10:32 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> Which means creating the dir in media must be owned by the user
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| 10:32 | <ogra> which we probably could do as well ... :)
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| 10:32 | <vagrantc> and that shouldn't be done with an suid program?
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> Which means the user now basically has a second home dir in /media to store files.
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| 10:33 | <ogra> ah, right, there was a security issue
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> I'm looking at doing it with dbus now, to eliminate the setuid part.
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| 10:33 | <vagrantc> good.
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> since I *really* don't like being responsible for a setuid program.
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| 10:33 | <ogra> sbalneav, please check that it will work with consolekit
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| 10:33 | <vagrantc> don't forget commandline users :)
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> yep yep.
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| 10:33 | <ogra> dbus will change drastically
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| 10:34 | <sbalneav> wha?
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| 10:34 | dbus is changing?
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| 10:34 | * sbalneav rolls eyes | |
| 10:34 | <ogra> well, it all will rely on consolekit in the future
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| 10:34 | hal, dbus, gdm
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| 10:34 | gnome-session
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| 10:34 | etc etc
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| 10:34 | <sbalneav> I just figured it out a few weeks ago :)
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| 10:34 | <ogra> i fear ldm as well :/
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| 10:34 | <sbalneav> What's consolekit?
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| 10:34 | linky please kthxbye
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| 10:34 | <ogra> it sets up "seats"
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| 10:34 | * vagrantc smells some ugly forking going on | |
| 10:35 | <ogra> instead of sessions ... so hal can bind to a specific session .. dbus as well
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| 10:35 | its the new base of guessing the display etc
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> Got any info on this?
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| 10:35 | <ogra> it has no homepage, its created by the hal people
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 10:36 | <ogra> there must be something on the freedesktop page ... i only get the mailing list mails
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> "It's the new standard! That's not written down anywhere!"
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| 10:36 | <vagrantc> makes updating the docs easy.
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| 10:36 | <ogra> well, they just cretaed a pam module, so we probably can leave the caretaking to ssh with ldm ;:)
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| 10:36 | * sbalneav 's eyes roll back into his head | |
| 10:36 | <vagrantc> ogra: ssh and pam don't always play well together
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| 10:37 | ogra: if the pam module requires root, it won't work with ssh
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| 10:37 | <ogra> http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=ConsoleKit.git;a=summary
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| 10:37 | sbalneav, ^^
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| 10:37 | vagrantc, i think they are testing that stuff :)
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| 10:37 | at least the ML seems like that
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| 10:38 | <vagrantc> well good.
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| 10:38 | <ogra> still ...
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| 10:38 | it reinvents $DISPLAY
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| 10:39 | which is odd imho
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| 10:39 | <vagrantc> !@$#%!#$
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| 10:39 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "@$#%!#$" is not a valid command.
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| 10:39 | <ogra> What is a seat?
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| 10:39 | ===============
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| 10:39 | A seat is a collection of sessions and a set of hardware (usually at
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| 10:39 | least a keyboard and mouse). Only one session may be active on a
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| 10:39 | seat at a time.
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| 10:39 | from the sources README
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| 10:39 | <vagrantc> ltspbot': learn @$#%!#$ as grrrrr what ?! huh ?!?
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| 10:40 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc> uh-oh.
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| 10:40 | maybe i killed it
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| 10:40 | <sbalneav> ltspbot`: status
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| 10:40 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot`.
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> !tarball
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| 10:41 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> ltspbot`: factoids --search values
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| 10:41 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: No keys matched that query.
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> !topic
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| 10:41 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "topic" is not a valid command.
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> !topics
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| 10:41 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> odd.
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| 10:41 | oh
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| 10:42 | ltspbot`: factoids search --values
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| 10:42 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'j', 'j', (1 more message)
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| 10:42 | <ogra> 1 more message ?
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| 10:43 | * vagrantc wonders if we can agree that grey is spelled with an e | |
| 10:43 | * vagrantc knows it's futile | |
| 10:43 | * ogra dosnt care | |
| 10:43 | <ogra> doesn't either
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| 10:44 | <jammcq> :)
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| 10:44 | <ogra> jammcq, !!!!
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| 10:44 | <jammcq> ho
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| 10:44 | <ogra> when did you secretly join ?
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| 10:44 | * ogra didnt notice | |
| 10:45 | <ogra> jammcq, i'm trying to throw a second greeter togetther in tkinter ... that should work for extremely low specced clients
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| 10:46 | su setting REDUCED_RESSOURCES=True should switch to the tk greeter instead of the gtk one
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| 10:46 | s/su/so/
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| 10:46 | <jammcq> sbalneav: hey, got my brazil visa today :)
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| 10:47 | <ogra> or LDM_REDUCED_RESSOURCES or something
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| 10:47 | <jammcq> ogra: COOL
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| 10:47 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Cool. Got mine back two days ago.
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| 10:47 | <jammcq> so, we're all set :)
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| 10:48 | <ogra> jammcq, also why did you use the -generic kernel config as a base for your selfmade ltsp kernel ?
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| 10:48 | we use -i386 in ltsp :)
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| 10:48 | <jammcq> ogra: i've been watching the bootup of that workstation, and i've found several slow spots. unfortunately, no time right now to get in depth with it
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| 10:48 | ogra: what config SHOULD I use?
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| 10:48 | <ogra> what i also noticed was that you compile nfs statically into the kernel
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| 10:48 | * vagrantc suspects -generic sounds ... "generic" | |
| 10:48 | <ogra> jammcq, -386
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| 10:48 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 10:49 | what's the difference?
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| 10:49 | <ogra> i wonder if the nfs error is caused by that ...
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| 10:49 | <jammcq> what nfs error?
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| 10:49 | <ogra> well, things like M586=y :)
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| 10:49 | the nfs error in your syslog
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| 10:49 | <jammcq> but that was from the UBUNTU compiled kernel
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| 10:49 | <ogra> the ubuntu kernel has it, the ltsp one hasnt
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| 10:49 | <jammcq> not from MY compiled kernel
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| 10:49 | <ogra> yes
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| 10:50 | i wasnt saying your kernel has it :)
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| 10:50 | <jammcq> oh
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| 10:50 | * jammcq is in the middle of 4 conversations right now | |
| 10:50 | <ogra> i just noticed you have it compiled in while we havent
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| 10:50 | <jammcq> oh, i've got it static, you have it modularized
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| 10:50 | <ogra> and was wondering if thats the reason for the error in the ubuntu syslog
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| 10:50 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 10:50 | <ogra> and if so ... why
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| 10:50 | i mean its the same kernel source
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| 10:51 | with only one difference in the nfs area
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| 10:51 | <jammcq> I tried taking the standard Ubuntu kernel, and using my ltsp_kernel_kit build script to build the initramfs. it boots the kernel fine, but fails on the dhcp request
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| 11:00 | <vagrantc> doesn't ltsp_kernel_kit build an initramfs that supports a different set of boot options?
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| 11:06 | <ogra> well, it doesnt build an ubuntu initramfs ...
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| 11:07 | ogra@edubuntu:~$ ls /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/
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| 11:07 | brltty console_tools kernelextras lvm2 thermal usplash
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| 11:07 | console_setup evms lvm mdadm udev
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| 11:07 | all these would be missing and break the system
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| 11:07 | at least for parts of them
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| 11:08 | the ting is also rather the kernel than the initramfs
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| 11:08 | somehow the ltsp built one boots in 12 seconds where the ubuntu one needs 48
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| 11:08 | <jammcq> it would break the LTSP-5 system, I was trying to use an Ubuntu kernel for LTSP-4.2
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| 11:08 | <ogra> right
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| 11:08 | but the target is to fix 5 no ?
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| 11:08 | <jammcq> I don't think there's anything special about the Ubuntu kernel that shouldn't work in 4.2
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| 11:09 | <ogra> no
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| 11:09 | <jammcq> yes, the target is definately to fix 5
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| 11:09 | <ogra> but the other way around it will break
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| 11:09 | <jammcq> i'm just trying to rule out some kernel goofyness
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| 11:09 | <ogra> well, the statically builtin nfs is quite significant imho
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| 11:09 | <jammcq> like if the ubuntu kernel is generally slow on the SiS chipset, while the ltsp-4.2 kernel is fast, we have something we can look closer at
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| 11:09 | <vagrantc> well, initramfs-tools might actually be a slow point
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| 11:10 | <ogra> f i find the time to build a kernel i'll try it with just that one change here on the weekend
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| 11:10 | <jammcq> vagrantc: if it were initramfs-tools, then the Ubuntu kernel should be FAST with a LTSP-4.2 initramfs
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| 11:10 | but sadly, i'm having a problem getting past the dhcp request
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| 11:10 | <ogra> vagrantc, what has initramfs-tools to do with booting?
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, unless i'm mistaken, its the first part in the boot process after the kernel is loaded ... ? :P
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| 11:14 | <ogra> vagrantc, initramfs*-tools* ?!?
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| 11:15 | * vagrantc is a little confused at what exactly is being talked about | |
| 11:15 | <ogra> the initramfs
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| 11:15 | but not the tools creating it
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| 11:15 | and its speed during unpacking through the kernel
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| 11:17 | <vagrantc> the, the point at which it seems to be slow is ... exactly when the initramfs is getting loaded?
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| 11:17 | <ogra> no
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| 11:17 | https://launchpad.net/bugs/97456
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| 11:18 | see the attachments
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> thanks
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| 11:22 | <moquist> hey...somebody
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| 11:22 | cliebow: hi!
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| 11:22 | cliebow: you can't register for UNH yet...but we're working on it!
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| 11:22 | <vagrantc> "Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware" what's that about?
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| 11:30 | does the ubuntu kernel support xen out of the box?
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| 11:31 | jammcq: have you tried booting the e2300 with a default debian/etch ltsp ?
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| 11:31 | jammcq: to get a similar timing comparison?
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| 11:31 | <jammcq> nope
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| 11:31 | but I could pretty easily
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> although, it won't leave all those nice NN.NNNNN markers, i don't htink
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| 11:37 | <jammcq> ok, guys, this is wacky
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| 11:37 | Ubuntu LTSP takes 4:45 to boot this thin client. Debian takes 1:58
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| 11:37 | what does that tell us?
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| 11:43 | * vagrantc smiles | |
| 11:43 | <vagrantc> debian's not so bad? :)
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| 11:44 | <jammcq> well, I'll let you guys ponder that, while I go get some lunch
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| 11:44 | * vagrantc suspects something weird with xen | |
| 11:45 | <jammcq> lemme check the logout/log-back-in time
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| 11:45 | <irule> I just set a nice topic in ltsp-es :)
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| 11:46 | is there a nice ltsped xen, vmware, quemu or any other ltsp server online?
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| 11:49 | <jammcq> vagrantc: check this page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootSpeedeBox2300
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| 11:49 | i'm heading to lunch
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| 13:04 | <blinky_ghost> hello, I'm trying ltsp5 and notice that it's way much slower booting than ltsp-4.2. Can anybody explain me why?
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| 13:05 | <vagrantc> blinky_ghost: there are lots of reasons.
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| 13:06 | blinky_ghost: the main reasons are that the display manager is kind of slow to start, and encrypts all connections to the server.
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| 13:07 | blinky_ghost: it's being worked on
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| 13:07 | it was actually an active topic of discussion earlier today
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| 13:09 | <blinky_ghost> vangrantc, it's slow when it starts with "setting ltsp client..."
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| 13:09 | <vagrantc> blinky_ghost: which distro?
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| 13:09 | <blinky_ghost> ubuntu 6.10
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| 13:17 | so it's being worked on, but I have another problem, when i open a startx session to my server, the keyboard doesn't work, in ldm works fine
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> blinky_ghost: did you set SCREEN_00=startx ?
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| 13:19 | blinky_ghost: or which SCREEN_?? did you use ?
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| 13:19 | <blinky_ghost> no, SCREEN_01
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| 13:23 | <vagrantc> there's probably something else running on SCREEN_01 by default.
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| 13:23 | boot without and SCREEN_?? options set, and see which tty's are available.
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| 13:23 | and then select one that is free.
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| 13:23 | * vagrantc wonders where this should be documented ... | |
| 13:24 | <blinky_ghost> vangrantc, thanks I'll try that
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| 13:27 | <irule> Package libnewt0.52 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
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| 13:27 | sorry
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| 13:38 | <cliebow_> moquist: you heard anyuthing from christopher johnston?
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| 13:40 | <moquist> cliebow_: not recently.
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| 13:43 | * kaminski-ltsp-br is away: weekend | |
| 13:46 | <edgarin> cliebow, como estas?
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| 13:49 | <cliebow_> Hola
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| 13:49 | <edgarin> :)
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| 13:49 | <cliebow_> moquist: i got bumped off a while ago..did you respond to question about unh session?
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| 13:53 | <moquist> cliebow_: Registration for UNH isn't open yet; we're waiting on contractual foo to get cleared away.
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| 13:56 | <cliebow_> Cost? 500 or so?
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| 16:05 | <toddobryan_> I'm having a transparency problem. When I run a program on the server, the alpha channel works correctly, but on the clients I get white where it should be transparent.
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| 16:06 | Ubuntu 6.10 with all updates + LTSP 5
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| 16:11 | <toddobryan_> Come on. No one's really bored and masochistic and wants to take a shot at solving a video problem? :-)
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> ok
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| 16:23 | sorry
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| 16:23 | wrong screen
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| 16:24 | <cliebow> gadi:it is ok..
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| 16:27 | <vlt|l> Hello. I compiled hplip 1.7.3 in /opt/ltsp/i386 to support my HPLaserjet printer *on the client*. When I run `/etc/init.d/hplip start` there I get "[OK]" but syslog says "hpiod: unable to bind socket 2208: Cannot assign requested address". I tried to use this port 2208 manually with `netcat` and suceeded. What could be hplip's problem here?
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| 17:01 | <vagrantc> stillflame: welcome :)
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| 17:01 | <stillflame> vagrantc: thanks
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| 17:02 | vagrantc: should i post my problem here again?
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> stillflame: please do
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| 17:02 | ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 17:02 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'j', 'j', (1 more message)
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| 17:03 | <vagrantc> !ogra
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| 17:03 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ogra" is ogra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 17:03 | <vagrantc> there must be a tftp page on the wiki
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| 17:04 | <cliebow> on wiki.ltsp.or
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| 17:04 | g
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| 17:04 | <vagrantc> cliebow: yeah, that's what i was thinking... :P
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| 17:05 | <stillflame> okay - i have a seemingly well configured server (debian etch w/ ltsp-server), /etc/exports points to /opt/ltsp/, /etc/default/tftp-hba points to /var/lib/tftpboot/, /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf serves appropriate root and filename options.
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| 17:06 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: learn troubleshooting as http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting
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| 17:06 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 17:06 | <stillflame> the terminal has onboard pxe-enabled nic, loads pxelinux.0, but then takes 20 minutes on each of the truncated mac address-named pxelinux.cfg/* files that don't exist.
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| 17:08 | <vagrantc> stillflame: and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default exists?
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| 17:08 | well... it's takig too long to get those other files...
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| 17:08 | so it hasn't even gotten that far
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> stillflame: messages in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/* about tftp requests ?
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| 17:11 | <stillflame> vagrantc: yeah
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| 17:12 | no log messages, so i don't think tftp requests are being heard.
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| 17:12 | <vagrantc> perplexing...
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| 17:12 | <cliebow> sure you have a tftp server that cooperates?
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| 17:12 | <jammcq> if it's looking for the config file, with the mac addresses as part of the name, he's already grabbed pxelinux.0, so you know that tftpd is working
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| 17:13 | <stillflame> cliebow: no, but there's only two lines in the config file, and they look right.
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| 17:13 | * jammcq wonders if he has a 'next-server' entry in his dhcpd.conf file | |
| 17:13 | <stillflame> jammcq: right - and it notices if i move pxelinux.0 away.
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| 17:13 | hmm...
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| 17:13 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 17:13 | ok, I gotta run. good luck with that
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| 17:14 | <stillflame> jammcq: i don't!
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| 17:14 | <vagrantc> ah yes, dhcp3-server requires next-server, which is annoying as hell.
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| 17:25 | <toddobryan_> I'm having a transparency problem. When I run a program on the server, the alpha channel works correctly, but on the clients I get white where it should be transparent.
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| 17:25 | Ubuntu 6.10 with all updates + LTSP 5
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| 17:26 | Is there any way to see if the problem is with the program I'm running or with the video settings of the clients?
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> stillflame: any luck with the ftp problems?
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| 17:40 | stillflame: tftp ..
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| 17:43 | <stillflame> vagrantc: oh, yeah, that much works now. do you want me to file a bug for an addition to doc/examples/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> stillflame: please do, else we'll forget it
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| 17:46 | stillflame: though that's been on my todo list for a while, i keep forgetting about it
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| 18:02 | <stillflame> submitted.
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> stillflame: what, no eample line :P
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| 18:09 | example
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| 18:11 | <stillflame> and now that we have it getting a kernel without trouble, either NetworkManager or avahi-daemon (mDNS?) seems to be killing my connection and inducing a persistant 'nfs: server not responding'
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| 18:12 | <jammcq> howdie
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| 18:12 | <stillflame> g'day.
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> stillflame: networkmanager? avahi-daemon? you trying the workstation install?
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| 18:14 | * vagrantc would blame networkmanager first | |
| 18:14 | <vagrantc> !debian
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| 18:14 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 18:19 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: facoids search *ltsp*
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| 18:20 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "facoids" is not a valid command.
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search *ltsp*
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| 18:20 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ltsp42', 'bestltspdistro', and 'ltsp5'
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| 18:23 | <stillflame> vagrantc: what do you mean by 'workstation install'? i haven't really touched the chroot since i did the ltsp-build-client, i don't think.
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> stillflame: where is networkmanager or avahi running?
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| 18:25 | stillflame: because i've never seen them come in on a default install of ltsp
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| 18:34 | <stillflame> vagrantc: they're coming up on the diskless terminal: "Starting network connection manager: ..."
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> stillflame: how big is the chroot?
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| 18:37 | <stillflame> vagrantc: 2.0GB
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| 18:37 | (says du -sh)
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| 18:39 | <vagrantc> stillflame: well, a default install is less than 500MB ... sooooo... somewhere, somehow, someway, extra stuff got pulled in :P
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| 18:40 | stillflame: probably easier to re-build than to remove all the extra junk.
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| 18:45 | stillflame: i think we were experimenting with running everythng locally last time we worked on that
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| 18:57 | <stillflame> vagrantc: okay.
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| 19:10 | all it needs is for a window manager is something to make sure firefox is always running.
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| 19:19 | <cliebow> Holy: 2 gig on a chroot.?not that it would necessarily make a diff..
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| 19:25 | <cliebow> 143701708 is my ppc chroot
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| 19:26 | 141049746 is my i386 ..both as a tar.gz
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| 19:48 | <stillflame> okay, fresh build-client boots to...
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| 19:48 | X. yay!
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| 19:59 | with only 433MB used.
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| 20:13 | <stillflame> next i need to get the login that comes up to run a local firefox. anything in the wiki on running local apps?
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| 20:24 | ah, LocalApps
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| 21:01 | <stillflame> *rar* that's for version 4.
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| 21:01 | <cliebow> PERHAPS OGRA CAN FILL YOU IN...
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| 21:01 | SORRY
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| 21:02 | sory
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| 21:02 | <stillflame> heh
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| 21:02 | <cliebow> dark in here..
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| 21:02 | <jammcq> and scary
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| 21:02 | <stillflame> so, uh... any docs on setting up local apps on ltsp5?
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| 21:03 | <jammcq> not yet
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| 21:03 | we'll be focusing on that in May, at the next Ubuntu summit
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| 21:03 | <stillflame> :-/
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| 21:03 | okay, i'll play with it by hand and see i can do
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc_> stillflame: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/workstation
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