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Channel log from 31 December 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:13 | <wwx> greetings, q-funk
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| 03:38 | <Q-FUNK> hey :)
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| 07:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all
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| 08:03 | <Q-FUNK> howdy!
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| 08:05 | <cliebow> morning!
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| 08:32 | <rjune_> !g
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| 08:32 | <ltspbot> rjune_: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> mornin, rjune
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| 08:38 | <Q-FUNK> !g
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| 08:38 | <ltspbot> Q-FUNK: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:41 | <cliebow> !g
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| 08:41 | <ltspbot> cliebow: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:48 | <Q-FUNK> seems that we all found the G spot of client thining ;)
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| 08:49 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 08:52 | <petre> ogra, ping
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> whoa
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| 09:03 | and double whoa
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| 09:03 | Happy New Year to all
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| 09:03 | <Q-FUNK> cheers!
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| 09:11 | <petre> it's still last year
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| 09:20 | <jammcq> good morning #ltsp
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| 09:44 | <petre> warren, ping
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| 09:48 | <cliebow> jammcq:!!
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| 09:50 | <jammcq> hey cliebow
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| 09:51 | <cliebow> Hippy New Year
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| 10:08 | <cib0> hello
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| 10:09 | does anyone know whether it is possible to logon a thin client automatically into a ldm session from another machine?
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| 10:20 | <nubae> from another machine?
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| 10:21 | you can set ldm to autologin after a period of time, or straight on startup
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| 10:21 | if u want to switch sessions to another user, can do that on any machine in question too
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| 10:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren:
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| 10:52 | I am seeing what I think is a bug
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| 10:54 | warren: after a brand new install of ltsp-server via "yum install ltsp-server", why does dhcpd still refer to /etc/dhcpd.conf instead of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf? Every time I install ltsp on a F10 box, I have to "ln -s /etc/dhcpd.conf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf"
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| 12:01 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: service ltsp-dhcpd
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| 12:01 | _UsUrPeR_: don't use dhcpd
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| 12:01 | petre: pong
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| 12:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: oh :D
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| 12:03 | <petre> warren, the page on joining PackageMaintainers says use cvs-import with 'your approved SRPM'
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| 12:04 | warren, so I used 0.0.7 of my srpm
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| 12:04 | <warren> petre: no
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| 12:04 | petre: import whatever is best
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| 12:04 | <petre> but I've got a 0.0.8 now; do I just repeat the step with that?
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| 12:05 | <warren> petre: try this, cvs co packagename
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| 12:05 | petre: and checkin changes manually
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| 12:05 | petre: you need to learn both methods
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| 12:06 | <petre> 'cvs co' is what I'm used to, not sure how to blend it with fedora-cvs
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| 12:10 | <warren> I very rarely use cvs-import.sh
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| 12:10 | personally
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| 12:14 | <petre> warren, I was just asking over on fedora-devel: what do I set CVSROOT to in order to check in/out?
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| 12:14 | <warren> petre: I personally do this:
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| 12:15 | petre: mkdir /home/username/somewhere/something
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> vagrantc, warren, ogra, et al: I would like to add the code for the serial touchscreen support that we have currently into the new screen-session.d stuff, but I know that there is some "other way" with inputattach that has been proposed as the better way
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| 12:15 | * Gadi has no clue about this method | |
| 12:15 | <warren> petre: cd /home/username/somewhere/something
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> but, I need the touchscreen code in there
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| 12:15 | is it ok for me to add the hack to do what the current code does for now
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| 12:15 | <warren> #!/bin/bash
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| 12:15 | export CVSROOT=:ext:wtogami@cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/pkgs
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| 12:15 | export CVS_RSH='ssh'
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| 12:15 | bash
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> until someone knows a better way?
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| 12:16 | <warren> petre: so I run that script whenever I will use fedora cvs in that dir
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| 12:16 | Gadi: hmm, inputattach refers to xorg 1.5?
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> I think so
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> inputattach has been around long before xorg 1.5
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| 12:17 | <petre> warren, right, I use something similar for some other projects
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> Gadi: how ugly is the code? :)
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> I think the idea is that serial devices should use inputattach and then Xorg1.5 will magically see them
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| 12:17 | or something
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> older versions too
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> vagrantc: its the same as the touchscreen part of configure-x.sh (of blessed memory)
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| 12:18 | <vagrantc> we had inputattach code in the init scripts for ages to handle serial mice
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> ah
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| 12:18 | well, inputattach may be easier
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| 12:18 | with the new Xorgs that can have partial configs
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| 12:18 | how are serial mice handled?
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| 12:18 | that may give me a clue
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> Gadi: look at ltsp-trunk/client/initscripts/ltsp-init-common
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| 12:19 | <petre> warren, I'm just unclear as to what CVSROOT should be set to
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| 12:19 | <warren> petre: I just told you
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> Gadi: configure_serial_mouse function
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| 12:20 | <warren> petre: if you uploaded the right ssh pubkey to fedora account system, you can use the cvs without typing any passwords 10 times
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> and that works with conf-less xorg?
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| 12:20 | <warren> petre: replace wtogami with your own account name
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| 12:20 | <petre> warren, yep, did that
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| 12:20 | public key, I mean
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i believe inputattach can make serial devices show up as /dev/input/mice/misc or whatever the default is these days.
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> Gadi: but i so rarely have tested serial mice
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| 12:20 | <petre> warren, ok, I'll try that
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> so I have two qus:
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| 12:21 | 1. does it still owrk ? ;)
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| 12:21 | *work
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> only millions and millions of ways to find out :)
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> 2. what if your touchscreen does not have an X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL?
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| 12:21 | :P
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> man inputattach, i'm guessing
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> its rather skimpy
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| 12:27 | <warren> Gadi: I don't understand serial touchscreen or inputattach enough to comment
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| 12:27 | I think, do whatever you want, just don't break me.
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| 12:30 | <CAN-o-SPAM> warren: ping
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> interesting... if I do: strings /usr/sbin/inputattach I can find all these undocumented options
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| 12:31 | :)
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| 12:32 | <warren> CAN-o-SPAM: ?
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> Gadi: it actually shows as /dev/psaux ?
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> ?
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> Gadi: Synaptics Touchpad ...
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| 12:40 | man, that code is ugly...
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| 12:40 | <Gadi> I dunno about synaptics
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| 12:41 | I just know about the elographics
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| 12:41 | I *think* this is how it goes down:
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| 12:41 | inputattach makes the /dev/ttyS0 a /dev/input/<blah>
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| 12:41 | <Gadi> hal comes in and adds calibration info
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| 12:42 | and Xorg picks up the device through evdev
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| 12:42 | which listens to hal
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| 12:42 | and thats how the new system goes
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| 12:42 | but, hal is important because otherwise there's no calibration
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> maybe just go ahead and add it the old way, and we can improve it later ...
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| 12:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: why does ltspbr0 disappear on restart in F10?
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> well, the old way requires some thought too
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| 12:43 | bec it is an input device
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| 12:44 | not sure if that requires anything more than an input device stanza
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> Gadi: it needs it's own section?
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| 12:44 | <Gadi> possibly
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| 12:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: it came up properly the first time I ran ltsp-server-initilaize -y
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc> Gadi: we could handle which functions to run with a variable ... i.e. write_device, write_screen, write_monitor, for x in $custom_write_functions ; do ${x} ; done, write_modules
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| 12:47 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: ugh, ltps-server-initialize shouldn't be used, nobody has tried to fix any of its bugs in a year
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| 12:47 | _UsUrPeR_: how did you find it? I need to just remove it or something.
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| 12:47 | <vagrantc> and add custom_write_functions="$custom_write_functions foo"
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| 12:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: oh. :/
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> possibly
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| 12:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: it was installed with yum install ltsp-server
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> if this is worth adding upstream, then we might as well make it a default function
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| 12:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: the idea with the bridge is solid. I liked it's implementation
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> if this remains a downstream hack, then not
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| 12:48 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: is service network among the services started automatically at bootup?
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| 12:48 | _UsUrPeR_: NetworkManager doesn't know how to bring up bridges
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| 12:49 | * _UsUrPeR_ checks services | |
| 12:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: it appears the Network is started on boot, but not "Enabled"
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| 12:51 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: chkconfig network on
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| 12:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> rgr
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> hmm... inputattach hangs with this touchscreen
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| 12:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: another question: when installing ltsp-server, why do I have to turn on the sshd service?
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| 12:57 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: manually you mean?
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| 12:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: correct
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| 12:58 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: well, it might already be enabled, but the docs mention it just to be 100% sure it is enabled
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| 12:58 | hmm
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| 12:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok
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| 12:58 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: the ltsp version in fedora 10 repos is a bit old, i'm soon pushing latest upstream
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| 12:59 | Gadi: how important are those changes you made in ltsp-trunk?
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| 12:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: cool.
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| 12:59 | <warren> Gadi: will it be tagged soon?
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> I think I only made one change
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| 12:59 | vagrantc has made more
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| 13:00 | my change makes the localapps local groups work in an Active Directory (smbldap) environment where groups can have more than 1 word
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| 13:01 | <warren> how safe are those changes?
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> Mine should be pretty safe - cannot speak for vagrantc's - but I think vagrantc's been testing as he goes?
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| 13:01 | maybe?
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| 13:01 | <vagrantc> warren: all my changes are just code cleanups
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> if you are concerned, warren, no need to rush with those
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| 13:02 | otherwise, a quick test on fedora wouldnt hurt
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| 13:02 | :)
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| 13:02 | <vagrantc> warren: i think they're safe, haven't tested them in a *real* environment
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| 13:02 | but i have done some testing
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> warren: btw: I found that on some new via boards that I am testing, there are more audio channels that need default values for sound :P
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| 13:06 | <warren> Gadi: fun
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> yeah: they make channels called VIA_DSX
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| 13:06 | :P
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| 13:06 | I think it is like high def sound or 5.1 channel audio or some such
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| 13:07 | but, if the VIA_DSX,0 channel is not turned up, you dont hear anything
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| 13:07 | * Gadi might try to make that code a little smarter about finding channel names | |
| 13:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: is there a certain group/permissions that need to be settled to allow users access to flash and removable hard drivers in F10?
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| 13:20 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: uh, that's an upstream question
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> _UsUrPeR_: on debian, they need to be added to the fuse group
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| 13:21 | no idea with fedora
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| 13:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> vagrantc: yeah, that's why i was asking.
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| 13:22 | <warren> oh
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| 13:22 | _UsUrPeR_: if you're logged into GNOME on F10 you don't need to add the user to the fuse group
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| 13:22 | _UsUrPeR_: but ltspfs will only mount things considered "removable" media
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| 13:22 | there is something else you can do it make it mount local disks, but I never used it
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| 13:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: ok, let me try a flash drive instead of removeable hdd
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| 13:23 | <warren> USB flash drives and USB hard drives have not failed for me in many months
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| 13:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: I'm running with a new install. Is there anything that needs to be done in order to ensure that removable media will appear on the client desktop? Right now, there is nothing.
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| 13:27 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: umm... I really haven't seen that fail ever
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| 13:27 | since like March 2008
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| 13:27 | _UsUrPeR_: what kind of session login? GNOME?
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| 13:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, gnome
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| 13:44 | <CAN-o-SPAM> warren: wtogami@redhat.com ... right?
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| 13:44 | <warren> yes
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| 14:22 | <fgiraldeau> I do have some progress on the libssh thing : http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LdmLibsshBackend
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| 14:22 | Have a great new year all ;)
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| 14:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: DVI output on via chipsets. What should I be doing?
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| 14:41 | warren: bad question. DVI was something we had spoken about.
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| 14:42 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: latest RPM packages can handle X_* options now
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| 14:42 | _UsUrPeR_: that changed since a monnth ago
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| 14:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: Faith and begora! My hero.
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| 15:13 | <penguinhunters> Gotta question... Using ltsp for the first time with edubuntu... We are configuring it for a private school. I have the server the way I want it... When booting from the thin client it will pull up the graphical login screen, I can log in but after it recognizes my credentials, it black screens and locks up... Any ideas??
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 15:14 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 15:14 | <penguinhunters> :D Ubuntu 8.10
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| 15:14 | sorry
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| 15:15 | ltsp-5
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| 15:29 | <penguinhunters> Any ideas?
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| 15:34 | <Ryan52> !tell vagrantc about release
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| 15:34 | <ltspbot> Ryan52: Error: No factoid matches that key.
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| 15:34 | <Ryan52> this bot fails. :)
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| 15:46 | <Gadi> penguinhunters: check the user's ~/.xsession-errors
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| 15:46 | (the end of the file)
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| 15:56 | <penguinhunters> The student login we are using, isn't showing any .xsession-errors... My personal xsession-errors shows information about my logon the server but not from the thinclient
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: huh?
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| 16:00 | oh.
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| 16:08 | <penguinhunters> could it have something to do with a problem logging on with ssh
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| 16:46 | <petre> ogra, you're in Deutschland, correct?
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| 17:01 | <Ryan52> yay! lets leave commented out cruft everywhere! :)
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| 17:11 | <urandom> I've just setup LTSP-5 on Debian Sid and my client boots successfully, but the login window never appears (monitor blanks)
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| 17:11 | The server logs ldminfod[10434]: connect from 192.168.0.145 (192.168.0.145) but nothing else,
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| 17:11 | and there are no errors in the X logs on the client
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| 17:11 | I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction
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| 17:12 | <johnny> you might want to try back on a day that isn't new years eve
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| 17:12 | altho of course you might get lucky
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| 17:13 | just don't expect a response tonight.. or any evening for that matter.. most folks are here during their day jobs i gues
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| 17:13 | <urandom> thanks...
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| 17:13 | the holidays are the only reason I'm doing this now :)
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| 17:35 | <rjune_> petre: yes he is
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| 17:38 | <urandom> hrrmmm... switching the video driver from trident to vesa seems to have "fixed" it
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| 17:38 | so, I'm probably good
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| 17:52 | <vagrantc> urandom: you should file a bug against xorg, then.
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| 17:53 | Ryan52: you poking fun at my theme tweaks? :P
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| 17:54 | * Ryan52 nods :D | |
| 17:54 | <urandom> vagrantc: you're right, I will
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: took me way too long, and i wanted to make it easy for people to complain about something (and revert)
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| 17:55 | * vagrantc isn't real confident with theme stuff | |
| 17:56 | <Ryan52> ok
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> hmmm... gtk2-engines-nodoka looks pretty slick
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| 18:14 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: screenshots? :)
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: well, i just make an ldm theme with symlinks :)
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| 18:18 | just link greeter-gtkrc to whatever theme's gtkrc, and then symlink all the other files from the ltsp theme ...
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| 18:18 | instant ldm themes! :)
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| 18:19 | <Ryan52> :)
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> gtk2-engines-nodoka is nice because it's tiny and it ships something totally useable.
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| 18:24 | gtk2-engines-murrine recommends murrine-themes, which is kind of annoying ...
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| 18:24 | just because it's so big
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: well, i cleaned out all the commented cruft, and a whole lot more. hopefully doesn't break anything :)
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| 19:25 | <Ryan52> :)
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> overall, it looks nicer, at least on lenn
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| 19:26 | y
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