IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
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| 16:54 | <urly> Hi ! I still have my sound problem with some clients. I tested lubuntu in LiveUB on my clients, and sound was OK (at startup and then when changing global volume, which I can't do with LTSP).
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| 18:58 | <ioria> hi, any help in order to boot an old sis900 etherner card ? i have tried anything :(
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| 19:05 | <vagrantc> Phantomas: i forgot that an updated epoptes was on my todo list!
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| 19:05 | Phantomas: looks like you've been making some updates lately
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| 19:07 | <Phantomas> vagrantc: Hey, yep, when will you be available to make a release?
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| 19:08 | <vagrantc> Phantomas: maybe in a week?
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| 19:08 | hope to get ltsp, ldm and ltspfs updated in debian this coming week, may as well add epoptes to the list
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| 19:09 | <Phantomas> That's fine with me.
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| 19:11 | Thanks!
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| 19:29 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: when is my deadline to get fatclient support updated in ltsp?
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| 19:30 | Also, I keep trying to build a fatclient wheezy on my mint box, but it is failing right after initial chroot build when it tries to get the desktop
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| 19:30 | what is the desktop I need to tell it for a stock debian desktop?
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| 19:38 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: deadline for what?
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| 19:38 | bennabiy: you tell it whatever desktop you want.
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| 19:38 | <bennabiy> I tried to, but it was failing with an unknown desktop
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| 19:38 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: it obviously needs to be in debian for it to work
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| 19:39 | <bennabiy> can you tell me a desktop package in debian?
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| 19:39 | * bennabiy does not use debian with a gui | |
| 19:39 | <bennabiy> well, I have one, but it runs mate
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| 19:39 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: just pick a package, any package
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| 19:39 | <bennabiy> what is the default?
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc> define default?
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| 19:40 | bennabiy: debian is, for better or worse, about choice, so there isn't a "default desktop"
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| 19:41 | bennabiy: if you install from CD or DVD you'll get gnome, but that's only because of how the alphabet works.
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| 19:42 | bennabiy: what updates are you looking for a deadline?
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| 19:43 | <bennabiy> to be able to get the changes in for mint, before debian grabs it and then ubuntu... etc
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| 19:43 | I saw you say you wanted to get the ltsp ldm etc updated in debian
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| 19:44 | also, do you have the ability to put the ldm-mint-theme in debian?
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| 19:44 | It is basically modified from the debian joy theme
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| 19:46 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: there's no technical reason the theme couldn't go in debian, but i don't think it's common to include themes of other distros
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| 19:46 | bennabiy: i was hoping to get ltsp uploaded sometime this weekend, or maybe next weekend
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| 19:47 | <bennabiy> ok.
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| 19:47 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: more likely next weekend
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| 19:47 | <bennabiy> That is encouraging. I will try to get my changes updated and then will let you know
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| 19:49 | <vagrantc> what are you needing for fatclient support?
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| 19:49 | bennabiy: pretty much should just be autodetection of the correct packages to install in the fatclient plugin, no?
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| 19:52 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 19:53 | It pulls an ubuntu graphical interface as is right now
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| 19:54 | which installs a lot of unneeded stuff
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| 19:55 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 19:56 | bennabiy: didn't you say the mint devs included ldm-mint-theme already?
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| 19:56 | <bennabiy> yes, that is true
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| 19:57 | * vagrantc never liked the ubuntu approach for fat-client-desktops | |
| 19:58 | <vagrantc> it should just add the appropriate packages to LATE_PACKAGES
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| 19:58 | rather than running another apt-get install
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| 19:59 | it seems to also unconditionally install ubuntu-desktop, even if you haven't asked for a fat client...
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| 19:59 | that seems broken
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| 20:02 | <vagrantc> and the entry in 030-fat-client for before-install is absolutely pointless
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| 20:04 | <vagrantc> oh, i see, there was a sneaky "return 0" in there
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| 20:15 | * vagrantc finds that sort of code to be harder to read. | |
| 20:15 | <vagrantc> anyways, fixed the one pointless bug in there
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| 20:40 | <jammcq> hey vagrantc
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| 20:40 | I've got a question for you smart guys
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| 20:41 | does udevd still being used?
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| 20:42 | s/does/is/
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| 20:42 | i've got a customer setting up a new ubuntu 13.10 server and he needs a process to run to manage a signature pad
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| 20:42 | this works great on 12.04
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| 20:49 | <ogra_> jammcq, udev is still used
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| 20:50 | the source lives inside the systemd package nowadays and greedy lennart grabbed the name ... but beyond that its still the good old udev
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| 20:50 | (called systemd-udev now)
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| 21:00 | <||cw> there'd be a hell of an uproar if there were not a syntax compatible equivalent
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| 21:04 | <jammcq> ogra_: thanks for the info. the manpage changed between 12.04 and 13.10, the newer version advices against starting a daemon from the udev 'RUN' parameter
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| 21:04 | which is exactly what we do for a signature pad
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| 21:13 | <||cw> jammcq: still allows it though right? can you file a bug/request for the pad's driver/software?
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| 21:13 | <jammcq> it's my software
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| 21:13 | <||cw> the "right" way is to have the daemon, or a small helper, always run and watch for the device, then do whatever
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| 21:15 | but I'd hope RUN will still work, at least for now
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| 21:16 | <jammcq> well... it's really hard for me to debug it, cuz I'm 300 miles away
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| 21:16 | so i'm working remotely with the customer and he's having some trouble. he can't get sshd working properly on the thin client, so I can't log in and look at what's going on
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| 21:17 | i'll prolly have to setup a 13.10 environment here and play with it
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| 21:17 | according to the manpage, it sounds like a change was made to actually go kill any children that were spawned
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| 21:17 | <||cw> yey for virtualization
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| 21:18 | <jammcq> This can only be used for very short-running foreground tasks. Running an event process for a long period of time may block all further events for this or
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| 21:18 | a dependent device.
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| 21:18 | Starting daemons or other long running processes is not appropriate for udev; the forked processes, detached or not, will be unconditionally killed after
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| 21:18 | the event handling has finished.
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| 21:18 | my process that i'm starting immediately goes into the background
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| 21:18 | it's that "unconditionally killed" thing that worries me
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| 21:19 | <||cw> ok, so how about a daemon that always runs, and a short-run helper from udev that sends a message the daemon to tell it a new device is attached
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| 21:19 | this way the daemon doens't even have to run as root
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| 21:19 | <jammcq> yeah, I can do that, but it was perfect before. no daemon runnning, wasting valuable ram, if there wasn't a sigpad plugged in
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| 21:19 | <||cw> proabbly don't even need a daemon, just have it tell the application, and the app can attach
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| 21:20 | directly
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| 21:20 | <jammcq> plus, the process would get restarted if they unplugged and then replugged in the sigpad
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| 21:20 | the daemon is just some plumbing, reading and writing entries to a database that another web-app on a different server then picks up
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| 21:21 | anyway, he's gonna add it to rc.local for now so it's always running
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| 21:21 | <||cw> so it's only a few K ram then?
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| 21:21 | <jammcq> yeah, it's not huge
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