IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 March 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:28 | <Nubae> I've spent a weekend trying to get flash sound to work on my low fat clients, even compiling the damn flash files from scratch, there is just no way to get it working
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| 03:28 | Sound works great for everything else, it makes no sense
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| 03:28 | and I dont want to go back to gnash
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| 04:08 | <tarzeau> hi Nubae
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| 04:08 | Nubae: you need the libflashsupport package
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| 04:09 | it's in ubuntu hardy, if you need an etch version i've got packages for that
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| 05:45 | <tarzeau> /usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/ldm can i run xset +dpms somewhere there before ldm is started, or afterwards?
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| 05:46 | <tarzeau> /usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/ldm can i run xset +dpms somewhere there before ldm is started, or afterwards?
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| 05:47 | or inside the ltsp_config somewhere?
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| 05:49 | <ogra_cmpc> write an ldm rc.d script :)
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| 05:49 | put it to /usr/share/ldm/rd.c/
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| 05:49 | <tarzeau> and then you will put it into the next tarball release?
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| 05:49 | <ogra_cmpc> err
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| 05:49 | rc.d
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| 05:49 | no
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| 05:50 | the configure-x script will get a variable for that
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| 05:50 | to set it in the xorg.conf
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| 05:50 | <tarzeau> i do have such rc.d scripts but they are only run when a user logs in
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| 05:50 | <ogra_cmpc> indeed
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| 05:50 | <tarzeau> i got the S15-nobeep and the S20-powersaver ones
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| 05:50 | i want one to be run without a user having to log in
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| 05:50 | <ogra_cmpc> you dont want to save power for idling displays ?
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| 05:50 | <tarzeau> yes i do
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| 05:50 | xset +dpms
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| 05:50 | xset dpms 600 900 1200
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| 05:51 | <ogra_cmpc> ah
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| 05:51 | <tarzeau> i want these two to be run
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| 05:51 | <ogra_cmpc> well, rc.local in the chroot would be an option, even though i'm not sure it runs early enough
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| 05:51 | <tarzeau> rc.local ?
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| 05:51 | <ogra_cmpc> /etc/rc.local
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| 05:52 | exists on every debian system
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| 05:52 | <tarzeau> but that needs be run when X is running
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| 05:52 | <ogra_cmpc> right
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| 05:53 | as i said, i'm not exactly sure when ldm comes up, the rc script for it usually runs last
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| 05:53 | so chances are good X is up
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| 05:53 | (the rc script for rc.local i mean)
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| 05:55 | <tarzeau> you can't just run such commands outside the session
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| 05:56 | it should be right where ldm is started , either before if the session is open, or right after or something alike
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| 05:57 | <ogra_cmpc> well, ldm is started by the screen script from the ltsp-client-core initscript, which usually suuns way before rc.local ... so the session should be there and accessible for you
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| 05:57 | *run
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| 05:57 | s
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| 05:58 | <tarzeau> i still don't get where to write it
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| 06:00 | <ogra_cmpc> into /etc/rcd.local
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| 06:00 | er
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| 06:00 | rc.local
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| 06:02 | * tarzeau just tried it, rebooting the ltsp client | |
| 06:02 | <tarzeau> you think getting usb scanners to work is possible?
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| 06:03 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: rc.local might be a good idea, however we've had some issues with it in the past - it appears that in etch it's not always/reliably executed...
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| 06:03 | <tarzeau> daduke: was it +x ?
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| 06:03 | <ogra_cmpc> daduke, oh
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| 06:03 | thats bad indeed
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| 06:03 | <daduke> tarzeau: definitely not
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| 06:05 | ogra_cmpc: vagrantc fixed the X access issue I saw. you guys rule.
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| 06:05 | <ogra_cmpc> nom you guys do
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| 06:06 | if *we* would rule we wouldnt have carried that option with us for two years
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| 06:06 | blind fishes all over here
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| 06:07 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: yeah right. I admit that I was a bit astonished nobody had tried it before, but neither had we. Only one of our users did.
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| 06:08 | * ogra_cmpc thinks thats one of the most awkward oversights he ever had | |
| 06:08 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: that's right, Yargo Bonetti is da man! all praise to him!
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| 06:08 | <ogra_cmpc> luckily i'm not the only one who missed it
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| 06:08 | else i'd step back from programming
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| 06:08 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: please don't.
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| 06:09 | <ogra_cmpc> i wont :)
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| 06:09 | <daduke> good
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| 06:10 | on a brighter side, most ppl seem to be 'good'. Otherwise you'd have heard of dozens of hacked LTSP installations...
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| 06:11 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah
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| 06:11 | <daduke> X access issue + key logger + vmsplice == TWD!
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| 06:11 | <ogra_cmpc> but that also means people trust us .... which puts the thing in even worse light
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| 06:11 | <daduke> hmm true too
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| 06:12 | <ogra_cmpc> one thing i learned in two years of edubuntu buo
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| 06:12 | building is ... dont trust your users to know or understand code
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| 06:13 | <daduke> I guess for edubuntu users that would be a safe bet.
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| 06:13 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah
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| 06:15 | <daduke> I hope vagrantc finds a way to combine the xauth with directx=true as it would reduce system load and increase performance. But for the time being, it's fine - as soon as the patched ldm shows up on alioth that is
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| 06:15 | <ogra_cmpc> i think he just dropped to much
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| 06:15 | but that needs some further tests which i dont have time for yet
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| 06:16 | we have an Xauthority file i just doubt its used right
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| 06:16 | next release (for me at least )
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| 06:17 | <daduke> I see. that was my impression too - you might remember that on debian, /root was ro which meant no .Xauthority was ever written. Making it rw didn't change a thing.
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| 06:17 | <ogra_cmpc> right
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| 06:17 | thats what vagrant said as well
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| 06:17 | <daduke> right
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| 06:17 | <ogra_cmpc> but i know we used it once before that -ac option even came into the game
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| 06:18 | the very old first pyhon variants of ldm worked fine with it
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| 06:18 | <daduke> also X might've changed if it's > 2 years...
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| 06:18 | <ogra_cmpc> indeed
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| 06:22 | <daduke> unrelated: digging for LTSP info in the past 6 months, I sometimes had the impression that the LTSP/edubuntu/skolelinux/whatever ppl have a lot of unsynchronized/diverse information out there. I know that LTSP <-> ubuntu is almost the same, but for the rest I don't know... duplicate effor anyone?
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| 06:25 | <ogra_cmpc> we need someone who turns the edubuntu handbook into generic ltsp docs
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| 06:25 | scottie put nearly 6 months into writing up everyting in that book
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| 06:26 | <sep> daduke, well they are not exactly identical tho. debian-edu(skolelinux) have users in ldap and machines in netgroups/ldap. so i am not sure all the documentation are identical. lso wer use kde. so there are naturally some debian-edu documentation that will not fit in the edubuntu setting. while most of the edubuntu/ltsp documentation would be valuable for debian-edu (except versino skew)
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| 06:26 | and there have been a lot of development on ltsp so the skew is not insignificant
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| 06:27 | <ogra_cmpc> ldap isnt related to ltsp
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| 06:28 | its a nice addon but we have reasons to stay away from it (i.e. for localapps)
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| 06:28 | <sep> well i am not sure what information he mean. so i just pointed out the biggest differences
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| 06:28 | <daduke> sep: right. Please understand that I don't want to complain - I just think it's confusing for ppl looking for information/errors/patches....
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| 06:28 | <ogra_cmpc> sep, well, ltsp5 in itself is pretty bad documented
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| 06:29 | scottie carried together all info but thats in the edubuntu hadbook
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| 06:29 | *handbook
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| 06:29 | \i dont know any other documentation that touches all basics
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| 06:30 | at some point someone needs to go over it and rip out the ltsp parts into a proper documentation
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| 06:32 | <sep> would be great to have a real ltsp reference. trying things from the ltsp4 docs on ltsp5 often is more confusing then enlightening
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| 06:32 | * daduke agrees | |
| 06:36 | <ogra_cmpc> yup
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| 06:42 | <daduke> anyway, by far the greatest source of information is this channel. Cannot thank y'all enough.
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| 06:43 | <ogra_cmpc> daduke, wers nich im kopf hat, hats in den beinen :) (docs would likely ease the support load :) )
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| 06:43 | <daduke> true that.
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| 06:51 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: is LTSP your fulltime job?
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| 06:52 | <ogra_cmpc> daduke, it was until the hardy release cycle started
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| 06:52 | <tarzeau> ogra_cmpc: that didn't work (/etc/rc.local)
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| 06:52 | <ogra_cmpc> i moved on to subnotebooks, staying as maintainer for ltsp but not as main dev anymore
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| 06:52 | <daduke> right
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| 06:57 | <Blinny> ogra_cmpc: Who is main dev now?
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| 06:59 | <ogra_cmpc> Blinny, team effort ... all subscribers to ltsp-upstream on launchpad
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| 06:59 | which is sbalneav, warren, vagrantc and me for the core and some occasional comitters
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| 07:00 | <Blinny> Cool. Thank you.
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| 07:44 | <daduke> vagrantc: bonjour! Thanks for fixing my bug!
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| 07:45 | <vagrantc> daduke: gald to help :)
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| 07:45 | daduke: this was the "anyone can connect to your X server bug" ?
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| 07:45 | <daduke> vagrantc: aye. When do you think the new ldm will be in alioth?
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| 07:46 | <vagrantc> daduke: hopefully today or tomorrow.
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| 07:47 | daduke: i've gotta get the version in etch (0.99debian11) fixed, as we as the version in debian-edu.
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| 07:47 | <daduke> vagrantc: great. for the time being, we will resort to the X ssh tunnel. If at some point directx and +ac are compatible, we'd like to switch back.
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| 07:48 | <vagrantc> daduke: yes, directx is still affected.
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| 07:48 | daduke: thanks so much for reporting the bug.
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| 07:48 | <ogra_cmpc> ++
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| 07:49 | <vagrantc> daduke: i had my suspicions years ago, but i never actually came up with the exploit :)
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| 07:50 | <daduke> vagrantc: you're welcome. And I was only the reporter. He's the man: http://yargo.andropov.org/
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| 07:51 | <vagrantc> daduke: well, pass on my thanks then
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| 07:51 | <daduke> vagrantc: I will.
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| 07:52 | vagrantc: it's a creepy feeling seeing all your keystrokes on another machine and ogra's xeyes all the way from Kassel ;)
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| 08:29 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: since you seem to be busy: do you want a debdiff with all the changes i'm proposing for the next LTSP upload?
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| 08:30 | <ogra_cmpc> can you do one per change so i can commit them separately ?
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| 08:31 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: ok, you already have that. :) i was talking about making one big diff from all those tickets
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| 08:34 | <ogra_cmpc> hmm
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| 09:22 | <tarzeau> 12:02 < tarzeau> you think getting usb scanners to work is possible?
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| 11:37 | <ICC> can someone advise me on what kiwi-ltsp is, and when setting up an ew ltsp server (first timer) I shoudl use the kiwi-ltsp or just ltsp?
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| 11:37 | I plan to run this on opensuse - kde
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| 11:43 | <cliebow_> kiwi is suse version of ltsp5
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| 11:44 | now ic ant remember who is championing it..in here all the time...old age...
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| 11:47 | <ICC> so that is the one to use then?
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| 11:51 | <johnny> cyberorg ?
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| 11:52 | <cyberorg> ICC, kiwi-ltsp is in development ltsp5 implementation on suse
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| 11:52 | ICC, see http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/KIWI-LTSP
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| 11:53 | i wouldnt call it ready for production, buntu is much more stable and feature complete
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| 11:53 | <ICC> okay. I have set up ltsp 5 on ubuntu. I don't like the distro much though.
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| 11:54 | We plan to use it for public kiosk at my small community college
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| 11:54 | <johnny> that's the best atm..
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| 11:54 | or debian
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| 11:55 | <warren> but Ubuntu has so much brown!
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| 11:55 | <cyberorg> ICC, kiwi-ltsp would be in shape to use for openSUSE 11, that is couple of months away
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| 11:55 | <johnny> i think it looks pretty..
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| 11:55 | but it's not like you can't switch the colors up..
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| 11:56 | <ICC> so would you recommend ltsp4.x instead?
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| 11:56 | <johnny> i use gentoo normally btw.. so not an ubuntu fanboy or nothin
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| 11:56 | NO!
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| 11:56 | <cyberorg> or wait till warren is through with fedora implementation :)
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| 11:56 | <warren> ICC, no
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| 11:56 | <johnny> ltsp4 is unmaintained
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| 11:56 | <ICC> is there a vanilla ltsp 5 that I can run on opensuse 10.3?
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| 11:56 | <johnny> there is no such thing
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| 11:56 | you can run ubuntu chroot
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| 11:56 | <johnny> possibly
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| 11:57 | that is the main difference between 4 and 5, is that 5 is distro dependent
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| 11:57 | <ICC> I think I'll try kiwi then. I have the drive with the ubuntu version in case i need to revert
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| 11:59 | I have about 10 public kiosks that should have internet only. I want to use the kde-admin tool to lock them down. do you know if that will work with kiwi?
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| 12:15 | <cyberorg> ICC, it will probably work in 11, i have put hold on 10.3 implementation as i would like to get 'proper' thing ready for 11
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| 12:40 | <fgiraldeau> GSoC sombody?
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| 12:42 | I whish to apply a project for google summer of code this year for LTSP
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| 12:42 | If nobody complains, then I will proceed
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| 12:49 | <johnny> fgiraldeau, where have you been? :)
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| 12:51 | <fgiraldeau> well, I was very busy
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| 12:52 | business is going well, plus the master
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| 12:52 | I hate IRC, kind of time wasting...
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| 12:52 | anyway, I understand that it's a good way of communication in the team
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| 12:53 | Nobody replied to the mail about google summer of code
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| 12:53 | And I'm trying to settle that
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| 12:53 | <johnny> i think it is a good idea
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| 12:53 | <fgiraldeau> Bring some manpower
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| 12:54 | Yeah, I think so
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| 12:54 | <johnny> who would mentor a project?
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| 12:54 | <fgiraldeau> There are many ideas in launchpad and there is the wiki
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| 12:54 | Yeah
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| 12:54 | <johnny> i personally would..
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| 12:54 | if folks thought i knew enough
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| 12:54 | <fgiraldeau> You too, great
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| 12:55 | Probably, remember me your background?
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| 12:56 | What is your email on ltsp-discuss and ltsp-devel?
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| 12:56 | <johnny> i'm not on either atm
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| 12:57 | i should probably be tho at some point
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| 12:57 | <johnny> my background is that i use ltsp and help people with ltsp :)
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| 12:57 | and amd currently attempting to assist the port to gentoo
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| 12:57 | so i can understand the archiecture bettr
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| 12:59 | <fgiraldeau> it's interesting
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| 13:00 | And you will have time to devote to a student this summer?
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| 13:00 | <johnny> atm yes
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| 13:01 | depends on the specific project certainly, but it sounds like fun
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| 13:01 | if i have enough time to hang out on irc, then i certainly can handle that i think :)
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| 13:07 | <fgiraldeau> probably, yeah
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| 13:09 | <cliebow_> fgiraldeau, youy were in Maine in Nov. werent you?
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| 13:10 | <fgiraldeau> yeah
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| 13:10 | it was really cool
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| 13:10 | <cliebow_> i knew i met you there..you were interested in nx right?
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| 13:10 | <fgiraldeau> yeah
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| 13:10 | I mean, I'm doing my master on that topic.
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| 13:10 | <cliebow_> i was the bearded old dude that sorta sponsored it..
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| 13:10 | in Maine
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| 13:11 | <fgiraldeau> yeah, I know, with your old IBM Netvista! ;)
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| 13:11 | What a fuc*ing machine that refuse to boot.
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| 13:12 | anyway, great time
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| 13:12 | <cliebow_> heh..booted ok if you fed it a 2.4 kernel..an uncompressed proprietary pos
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| 13:13 | <fgiraldeau> Hep, that's the life
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| 14:01 | <fgiraldeau> http://downloads.revolutionlinux.com/gsoc/signup/gosc-ltsp-apply-form.html
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| 14:01 | here it is
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| 14:01 | were all set
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| 14:01 | waiting for google's answer
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| 14:06 | <Blinny> I'm curious how LinuxMCE uses local devices like DVD players on thin clients to stream media between servers and clients. That's interesting technology.
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| 14:26 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 14:28 | <warren> I'm only an acquaintance. =P
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| 14:28 | j/k
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| 14:56 | <klausade> vagrantc: your patch for #469462 removes LDM_DIRECTX, right?
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| 15:02 | <warren> klausade, URL?
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> klausade: well, it doesn't fix the bug with LDM_DIRECTX
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| 15:03 | klausade: so if using LDM_DIRECTX ... it's still possible to read/write to other people's displays
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| 15:04 | <warren> read/write isn't the worst of you
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| 15:04 | it
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| 15:04 | <warren> you can hijack, mess with their input, etc.
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| 15:04 | <klausade> warren: debian bug #469462
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> warren: that's just another way of describing it
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| 15:05 | warren: reading and sending keystrokes ...
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> i'd really like to get that fixed properly.
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| 15:06 | i think the existing patch is kind a a crude workaround more than an actual fix.
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> klausade: i was hoping to update the ldm backports, as well as the version in debian-edu today.
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| 15:25 | <toddobryan> Are the step you need to follow to enable nbd swap listed anywhere?
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| 15:27 | I've set NBD_SWAP = true and set the size in /etc/lts.conf/nbdswapd.conf to 128, but SWAP doesn't show up when I run "free" at a command line.
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> toddobryan: what linux distro and release?
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| 15:30 | <toddobryan> Ubuntu 7.10 with the latest LTSP packages.
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> toddobryan: should be documentation in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/swap
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| 15:32 | <toddobryan> Thanks. Reading now...
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| 15:40 | wow, so earlier I didn't do the "touch /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/nbd-client" step
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| 15:41 | it's at least requesting the swap space (I can see it in the server's syslog), but the client is getting read errors from the nbd space
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> you probably have to regenerate your image before changes will take effect ...
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| 15:43 | <toddobryan> hmm, I did do that, actually
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> ok, just mentioned it as it's an easy step to miss.
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| 15:46 | i haven't worked with nbd swap for quite a while ... and i haven't really worked with ubuntu at all ..
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| 15:48 | <eriamjh> have you ever heard of this error : "/bin/umount: invalid option -- i" when running "fusermount -u -z /path" ?
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| 15:49 | <mnemoc> hi, is NFS still the recomended way (not distro specific) to share the root of the clients?
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| 15:49 | <vagrantc> depends on your distro.
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| 15:49 | definitely the default for debian. ubuntu uses nbd by default.
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| 15:49 | not sure which way the soon-to-be fedora ltsp will lean.
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| 15:49 | <warren> I'm not sure either.
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| 15:50 | our NBD wont use unionfs
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| 15:50 | that will be a bit different
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| 15:50 | <mnemoc> neither aufs?
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> i did try NBD+tmpfs+bind mounts with debian a while back with good luck.
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| 15:51 | <warren> we wont use unionfs until it hits upstream kernel
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| 15:52 | <mnemoc> warren: but nbd is your probable choice?
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| 15:53 | <warren> mnemoc, that depends on how far I get with implementation
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| 15:53 | mnemoc, my people wont let me add it until I first implement mount.nbd
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| 15:53 | well, not mount.nbd
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| 15:53 | but nbd should behave like loop
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| 15:53 | <vagrantc> ?!
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| 15:53 | <warren> mount -t iso9660 -o loop,ro FILE /mountpoint
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> why should it behave any differently than /dev/hda ?
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| 15:54 | that's the whole point of nbd
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| 15:54 | <warren> mount -t squashfs -o nbd,r 192.168.0.254:2000 /mountpoint
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| 15:54 | vagrantc, just add a nbd wrapper to mount so it behaves like loop
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> although the syntax sounds tasty.
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| 15:55 | <warren> if I implement it this way it becomes very easy to support by our other tools
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> warren: so the wrapper handles all the nbd-client stuff?
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| 15:55 | <warren> yes
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> ok, i want it.
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| 15:55 | :)
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| 15:55 | <warren> the one hard part is ... how do you know if a /dev/nbdX is already used
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| 15:55 | ?
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> yeah, we've got some ugly code in our initramfs scripts to detect that ... but there's just got to be a cleaner way
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| 15:56 | warren: maybe i should file a wishlist bug on nbd to make detecting a used /dev/nbdX more simple
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| 15:57 | a nice little script like "nbd-active --all" or "nbd-active /dev/nbdX" would be very useful.
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| 15:57 | <warren> I have to implement all this in C...
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> i'll make a wishlist request and see what i get.
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| 15:58 | it would be nice if it were a small little C program, yes.
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| 15:58 | <warren> since nbd-client has to fork and daemonize, I also have to figure out if the device is actually working somehow
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| 15:58 | * vagrantc still likes NFS | |
| 16:00 | <warren> vagrantc, 1) implement mount -o nbd 2) add minimal support for it in our mkinitrd 3) write RFC for IETF to add nbd-root option to official standards.
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| 16:00 | vagrantc, one of our engineers is on the IETF DHCP group
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| 16:01 | vagrantc, 4) after F9 add nbd-root support to our mkinitrd and you can write the same in your initramfs-tools
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| 16:02 | but all this depends on mount -o nbd
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| 16:10 | <vagrantc> warren: i look forward to it :)
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| 16:15 | <IRCzito> someone goes to FISL?
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> not since 2004
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| 16:17 | now there's an event to get excited about free software
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| 17:00 | <johnny> vagrantc, is there a reason ltsp-build-client isn't marked +x in ltsp-trunk, but all the other scripts are?
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> johnny: not really
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| 17:01 | <johnny> mind changing it? for consistancy reasons?
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| 17:01 | <vagrantc> it seems like a trivial thing to commit and has never really been an issue.
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| 17:01 | <johnny> consistency things usually are.. :)
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> i guess some distros might not automagically mark it as executable when they build their packages...
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| 17:02 | <edistar_> hi, anyone using ltsp with e17?
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| 17:06 | <IRCzito> vagrantc: do you come to FISL 9
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| 17:07 | <vagrantc> IRCzito: no ... i went to FISL4 ... would like to go back someday
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| 17:08 | <IRCzito> :(
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| 17:37 | <vagrantc> klausade: updated the backports for ldm: deb http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main
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| 19:48 | <subsume> hi all. is there some way to access thin-client error logs? I'm trying to trace the cause of a failed client startup.
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| 19:49 | <laga> subsume: on ubuntu?
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| 19:49 | <subsume> laga: yes sir
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| 19:49 | or ma'am
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| 19:49 | but probably sir
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| 19:49 | <laga> sir is fine :)
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| 19:50 | <subsume> laga: you have any experience with them? I'm in the middle of edubuntu hell right now and need a rope (or a noose)
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| 19:50 | <laga> subsume: IIRC, your clients will try to log to the server by default. you can add "-r" to the syslogd options on your server or
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| 19:50 | add SYSLOG=local to your lts.conf and check on the clients themselves
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| 19:50 | i think you can also use SYSLOG=foobar, doesn't matter ;)
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| 19:51 | <subsume> laga: its funny that you mention that because my client is choking at 'Starting system log daemon'....
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| 19:52 | laga: lts.conf on my thin-client environment or server?
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| 19:53 | * vagrantc notes that both the thin-client environment and the server are on the server. | |
| 19:53 | <laga> subsume: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ on the server will do
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| 19:55 | <subsume> laga: do i need to rebuild environment after that?
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| 19:55 | <laga> on
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| 19:55 | no*
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| 19:55 | it's pulled in when the clients boot.
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| 19:55 | <subsume> ok. where can i expect this log to go to? dmesg?
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| 19:55 | <laga> it's not inside the environment, you see
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| 19:55 | subsume: /var/log ;)
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| 19:56 | <subsume> which file within there? sorry. quite newb.
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| 19:56 | <laga> subsume: i dunno, messages and syslog might be interesting
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| 20:04 | <subsume> laga: nothing really related to the client there besides DHCP stuff
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| 20:04 | <laga> :/
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| 20:04 | i'm afraid i won't be able to help you much then :/
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| 20:05 | <subsume> you sure SYSLOG=local in lts.conf is going to do anything?
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| 20:05 | <laga> it did for me, it'll prevent the client from trying to connect to the server AFAIK.
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| 20:05 | um
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| 20:05 | subsume: where did you look for those files?
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| 20:06 | on the client or on the server?
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| 20:06 | <subsume> laga: which? lts.conf?
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| 20:07 | * vagrantc thinks it's better to supply full paths than say "client" or "server" | |
| 20:07 | <subsume> =)
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| 20:07 | I think we understand one another
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| 20:07 | <laga> subsume: the log files
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| 20:07 | <subsume> laga: the server log of course. =)
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> subsume: if you understood, you wouldn't repeatedly be asking about lts.conf
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| 20:08 | <subsume> vagrantc: I was asking for clarification. If you have something constructive to say, please let me know. otherwise....
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| 20:08 | * vagrantc backs out | |
| 20:09 | <laga> subsume: see, if we set SYSLOG=local in a config file for the client, how likely is it that the logs will show up on the server? :)
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| 20:09 | <subsume> laga: I didn't set them in the client chroot.
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| 20:09 | <laga> come to think of it, youprobably can't log in into the diskless environment inside your client (not the X session)
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| 20:10 | <subsume> laga: I set them in tftp (which, AFAIK doesn't even exist in the client)
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| 20:10 | <laga> subsume: where did you look for them? /opt/ltsp/i386/var/log ?
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| 20:10 | <subsume> log files? no. /var/log
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| 20:10 | * laga scratches head | |
| 20:10 | <subsume> the ones in opt/fati386 are empty
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| 20:10 | <laga> subsume: the best thing you can do
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> if SYSLOG=local, you need to log into the client itself in order to view the log files.
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| 20:11 | <laga> edit /etc/default/syslogd on the SERVER and add the -r switch there, restart /etc/init.d/sysklogd on the SERVER and remove SYSLOG=local from the client
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| 20:11 | <subsume> vagrantc: I'm not really sure how to login to the client.
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> this can be done by setting SCREEN_NN=shell, where NN is an open tty.
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| 20:11 | in lts.conf
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| 20:12 | <laga> and you can check the logs on the server in /var/log/
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| 20:12 | yeah, or listen to subsume.
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| 20:12 | if it hangs while setting up the syslogd on the client that might be a good option.
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| 20:12 | <ogra_cmpc> laga, what the heck are you doing up ? its 2am
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| 20:12 | <laga> s/subsume/vagrantc/
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| 20:12 | ogra_cmpc: go to bed
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> though i think remote syslogging is probably easier.
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| 20:12 | <subsume> ....
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| 20:12 | <laga> but as you can see, i'm even more confused at this time of the day
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| 20:12 | <subsume> consensus? =)
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| 20:12 | <ogra_cmpc> i would if i could :P
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| 20:13 | <vagrantc> subsume: do it one way or the other. doesn't really matter, as long as you consistantly configure it one way.
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| 20:13 | * laga knocks out ogra_cmpc | |
| 20:13 | <subsume> going with laga's.
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| 20:13 | <ogra_cmpc> heh
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| 20:14 | <ogra_cmpc> laga, that wont finish my classmate image
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| 20:14 | <laga> yes, but i might scare you into another LTSP upload ;)
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| 20:14 | <vagrantc> gotta get a security update for debian-edu fixed.
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| 20:15 | <laga> good luck with the CMPC, though
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| 20:15 | i booted my fat client image on a box with 128M RAM and.. it sucked :)
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| 20:15 | <ogra_cmpc> i'll have something ready tomight
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| 20:15 | just fighting with someminimal things
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| 20:16 | <subsume> so I've made no configs in the fat client root. I changed the syslogd file to have -r, restarted, removed syslog=local from tftp and no new messages appear in log
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| 20:17 | <vagrantc> subsume: which file did you add "-r" to ?
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| 20:17 | <subsume> vagrantc: /etc/default/syslogd on server. this wrong?
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| 20:17 | <vagrantc> subsume: sounds good.
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| 20:17 | just double-checking.
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| 20:18 | subsume: and you rebooted the thin-client after removing SYSLOG=local ?
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| 20:18 | <laga> vagrantc: i think he said it hangs when starting the syslogd..
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| 20:18 | <subsume> the client machine, yes.
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| 20:19 | vagrantc: yes. I did that
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| 20:19 | 'starting system log daemon' hangs forever.
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| 20:30 | <subsume> Let's assume I just want to skip this whole system log daemon to see what happens when it continues and fails?
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| 20:30 | Can someone help me do that?
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| 20:34 | <vagrantc> subsume: at the top of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/sysklogd ... add an "exit 0" to the second line
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| 20:34 | er, insert "exit 0"
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| 20:36 | <subsume> vagrantc: that's constructive. =) Strangely it still hangs.
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| 20:38 | vagrantc: do I need to rebuild the thin client root?
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> subsume: oh, yeah. any time you modify anything in /opt/ltsp/i386, you'll need to rebuild it
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| 20:44 | <subsume> vagrantc: which leads me to a strange quirk question
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| 20:44 | I get this immediate warning when I try to update it
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| 20:44 | chroot: cannot change root directory to /opt/ltsp/i386: No such file or directory
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| 20:45 | I am running the command sudo ltsp-update-image -a fati386 -b /opt/ltsp -p 2001
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> ltsp-update-image is probably all kinds of hard-coded.
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| 20:45 | <subsume> vagrantc: ok... so you aren't familiar. hmpf. too bad its a binary I'd poke around in it myself
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| 20:50 | <vagrantc> ltsp-update-image is in /bin/sh (or maybe /bin/bash)
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| 20:51 | <subsume> LDAP ERRORS!!!
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| 20:52 | Thank you! =)
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| 20:52 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 21:02 | <subsume> vagrantc: please go to #ldap so I can continue yelling at you
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| 21:02 | =)
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| 21:02 | thanks for yer help.
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| 21:10 | <vagrantc> subsume: sure. sorry if i was a bit annoying at first.
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| 21:37 | <vagrantc_> hrm.
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| 21:37 | just upgraded virtualbox recently ... and my system just hung :(
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| 21:37 | trying to test the new old packages for debian-edu
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| 23:17 | <subsume> how can I totally remove LTSP?
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| 23:17 | apt-get remove still keeps /etc/ltsp/
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| 23:18 | <johnny> purge ?
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| 23:18 | but that's in the apt-get manual
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| 23:18 | purge is necessary to remove all bits of a package
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| 23:19 | altho in this case it prolly won't purge /opt/ltsp but you can remove that yourself
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| 23:21 | <sutula> subsume: --purge should do it, but as johnny said, that probably won't remove things created by the various client build scripts
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| 23:22 | <subsume> I am confused.... I suspect that LTSP is somehow updating all of my clients /etc/resolv.conf 's to be "example.com" and a junk IP address
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| 23:22 | does this make any sense to anyone?
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| 23:23 | <johnny> and your own resolv.conf is fine?
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| 23:23 | <subsume> the server's? yeah. connects to internet fine
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| 23:23 | <vagrantc_> subsume: is /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf telling it to use those resolv.conf settings?
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| 23:23 | <subsume> I noticed a similar thing happened with the client /etc/passwd
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| 23:24 | <sutula> subsume: On my installation, the client's /etc/resolv.conf is fine
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| 23:24 | <subsume> http://pastebin.com/m544b5b6d <-- installed ltsp and got funky warnings
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| 23:24 | <vagrantc_> nothing messes with /etc/passwd directly ... it will disable root's password, by calling: passwd -l root
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| 23:25 | <sutula> subsume: The client /etc/passwd is distinct from the server's
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| 23:25 | <johnny> vagrantc_, now you get to deal with me asking ltsp devel questions :)
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| 23:25 | <vagrantc_> unless you're manually creating users inside the chroot, no users get created by default.
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| 23:25 | <subsume> sutula: I know... and yet the client machines were updated.
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| 23:25 | <sutula> updated?
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| 23:25 | <subsume> sutula: its weird. but anyway... forget about that.... anyone think that pastebin is odd?
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| 23:25 | I created a user on the server machine and it ended up in all client /etc/passwd
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| 23:26 | <vagrantc_> unless you've got custom plugins, there's nothing in the ltsp code that would do that.
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| 23:26 | <sutula> subsume: Sounds like you have a mess on your hands
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| 23:26 | <subsume> Also, whenever I restart a client I get a funky /etc/resolv.conf
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| 23:26 | 'example.com' and '192.168.0.1'
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| 23:27 | <vagrantc_> subsume: did you look in dhcpd.conf? those are the default settings.
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| 23:27 | * sutula thinks subsume's installation has an LTSP virus, and backs away slowly :) | |
| 23:27 | <vagrantc_> subsume: /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 23:27 | <subsume> =)
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| 23:28 | Here is something odd... I purged ltsp and yet the old config is there
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| 23:28 | I know its the old config because I commented some things out
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| 23:28 | vagrantc_: so I am reluctant to show you my dhcpd.conf because its one I don't want(!)
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| 23:28 | <vagrantc_> yes, --purge isn't handled 100% correctly
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| 23:28 | <subsume> vagrantc_: I tried rm -rf /etc/ltsp after that but then I didn't end up with a new /etc/ltsp directory
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| 23:29 | <vagrantc_> subsume: i don't care what you show me, i'm merely telling you it sounds like it's the source of your problems.
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| 23:29 | <subsume> http://paste.stgraber.org/1419
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| 23:29 | vagrantc_: what I'm asking is how can I get a fresh /etc/ltsp/?
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| 23:29 | <vagrantc_> subsume: nothing is installed in /etc/ltsp by ltsp-server, unless ubuntu's a little different. ltsp-server-standalone installs /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 23:30 | <subsume> vagrantc_: very helpful. I don't suppose you know how I can get a fresh one?
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| 23:30 | <vagrantc_> subsume: apt-get --purge remove ltsp-server ltspfs ; rm -rf /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp /opt/ltsp/ /etc/ltsp* ; apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 23:30 | <subsume> apt-get remove ltsp-server-standalone;rm -rf / ?
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| 23:31 | <vagrantc_> well, you could just skip both those steps and re-install from scratch, if that's your inclination :P
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| 23:32 | <subsume> =)
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| 23:32 | I like your method
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| 23:34 | <vagrantc_> all i want to do is finish this one last ltsp upload, test it, and get some sleep.
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