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07:36 | <alkisg> Good morning
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23:05 | <DJUnreal> eh up folks
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23:05 | anyone alive?
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23:34 | <vagrantc> !question
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23:34 | <ltsp> question: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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23:38 | <DJUnreal> ooh, hey vagrantc
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23:38 | Long Time No See
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23:38 | * vagrantc waves | |
23:38 | <DJUnreal> how goes it?
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23:39 | * DJUnreal just finished installing a new ltsp5 system on debian Jessie... but can't test anything on it :( | |
23:39 | <DJUnreal> it's about 200 miles north of me y'see
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23:39 | <vagrantc> oh, curious to know how it went
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23:39 | <DJUnreal> well the install was fairly painless
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23:39 | <vagrantc> we've been shaking things up a bit lately
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23:40 | * DJUnreal assumes it's ltsp5 he installed anyway | |
23:40 | <vagrantc> but you don't know if it works yet :)
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23:40 | <DJUnreal> apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone is what i ran
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23:40 | but from the 'testing' repos for debian
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23:40 | <vagrantc> not much has changed in the build process, but we've reworked a lot client-side
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23:40 | <DJUnreal> ooh awesome
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23:40 | well i'll be able to tell you more about that during (or after) the weekend
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23:40 | kinda flying by the seat of my pants y'see
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23:41 | built this server, it's at a mate's house
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23:41 | then we're off up to a scout camp on the border of scotland
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23:41 | and hoping it'll work with 5 Dell Latitude D6xx family laptops
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23:42 | there /is/ one question...
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23:42 | if i chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386
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23:42 | and install apps inside that chroot
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23:42 | should they automagically run as local apps?
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23:42 | <vagrantc> no
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23:42 | <DJUnreal> bugger
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23:43 | what's needed to make that work?
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23:43 | <vagrantc> there is a setting LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS or some such that does work as long as your desktop environment respects XDG
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23:43 | <DJUnreal> ahh yes
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23:43 | i did enable that
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23:43 | !local_apps_menu
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23:43 | <ltsp> Error: "local_apps_menu" is not a valid command.
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23:43 | <DJUnreal> hrmm, the bot doesn't understand it
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23:43 | <vagrantc> i haven't used it much
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23:43 | it only knows what we tell it, and what it logs
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23:43 | <DJUnreal> ahh righty
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23:43 | we're using lxde if that helps
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23:44 | <vagrantc> i guess LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true is what you want
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23:44 | lxde should work
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23:44 | <DJUnreal> yeah, i've turned that on
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23:44 | next awkward question
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23:44 | in previous versions i remember having issues with the location of the lts.conf file
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23:45 | as in... the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf never seemed to do anything
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23:45 | and i have some vague recollection of a /var/lib/tftpboot/lts.conf or similar
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23:45 | <vagrantc> the current version in wheezy/jessie will default to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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23:45 | <DJUnreal> awesome
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23:45 | i hoped you'd say that ;)
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23:46 | <vagrantc> if you're using NFS (the default), it should propegate automatically ... and always has.
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23:46 | <DJUnreal> that's where i want it
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23:46 | and yes, i use nfs
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23:46 | * DJUnreal can't be bothered with trying to do multiarch images and so on, not this weekend | |
23:46 | <vagrantc> if you put a file in $tftpdir/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, it will overwrite the one in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf in wheezy+
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23:46 | <DJUnreal> mostly on account of the fact that i can't remember how many of these laptops have amd64 cpus in and how many don't
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23:47 | okay, but not putting anything in the first path should fall back to the second (default) path anyway?
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23:47 | <vagrantc> if the tftp dir has lts.conf, it will write it over whatever the client's /etc/lts.conf is at boot.
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23:48 | with NFS, the client's lts.conf is in the server /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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23:48 | <DJUnreal> root@sistcpr11:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386# ls
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23:48 | config-3.12-1-486 nbi.img System.map-3.12-1-486
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23:48 | gpxelinux.0 nbi.img-3.12-1-486 vmlinuz
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23:48 | initrd.img pxelinux.0 vmlinuz-3.12-1-486
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23:48 | initrd.img-3.12-1-486 pxelinux.cfg
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23:48 | root@sistcpr11:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386#
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23:48 | that looks good to me
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23:50 | * DJUnreal wonders if he will ever find time to revisit those ultra-thin-clients | |
23:51 | <DJUnreal> the ones that needed a RAM upgrade to even load the LTSP image
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23:51 | think they were 300MHz CPUs and 16MB RAM
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23:51 | <vagrantc> ouch
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23:51 | <DJUnreal> we were given a bunch of them for free
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23:51 | and they /do/ (just) support PXE
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23:52 | but the LTSP PXE image is just shy of 33MB iirc
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23:52 | so a RAM upgrade is needed to even boot the things
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23:52 | (and from memory they barely even crawled!)
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23:52 | <vagrantc> the PXE image is only a few kb
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23:52 | but yes, that's not nearly enough ram.
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23:52 | <DJUnreal> there was something that needed 33MB of RAM to be able to work
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23:52 | <vagrantc> probably unpacking the initramfs
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23:53 | <DJUnreal> that sounds viable
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23:53 | * DJUnreal remembers upgrading one client to 256MB | |
23:53 | <DJUnreal> but that ran dog slow (probably because of the CPU)
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23:53 | <vagrantc> that might work... even that, sadly, isn't all that viable anymore.
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23:53 | <stgraber> you need enough RAM to store pxelinux.0, vmlinuz, initrd.img (compressed) and initrd.img (uncompressed)
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23:53 | hmm, actually if it's vmlinuz, you actually need a bit more because the kernel itself is compressed
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23:54 | <DJUnreal> a 256MB DIMM should handle it
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23:54 | <vagrantc> but the processor being so slow... i've got some 800MHz via systems with 512MB ram, and those seem pretty slow.
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23:55 | <DJUnreal> yeah... those are systems that need EVERYTHING running on the host server
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23:55 | they were designed to run as RDP terminals originally with some sort of embedded windows CE thing
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23:55 | <vagrantc> even with that, they're still prone to running out of ram if you open more than one tab on a webbrowser and a second application...
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23:55 | <DJUnreal> but the ones we were given were the special 'will support linux and pxe boot' versions
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23:56 | * DJUnreal is working on getting more laptops donated that are a /decent/ spec | |
23:56 | <DJUnreal> being the scouts an' all, we're kinda... uhh... skint
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23:56 | <vagrantc> i wonder if using rdp or vnc or nx would reduce or increase the needed resources
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23:57 | <DJUnreal> well i remember back when i was testing
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23:57 | <vagrantc> pixmap caching might be handled on the server-side that way
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23:57 | <DJUnreal> someone suggested turning off the x encryption
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23:57 | and doing nbd instead of nfs
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23:57 | and that those should speed things up a lot
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23:57 | and they actually had the opposite effect
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23:58 | <vagrantc> those are two unrelated tests
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23:58 | <DJUnreal> indeed, but both of them caused further slowdowns
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23:59 | <vagrantc> i've never seen turning off encryption reduce performance...
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23:59 | it's pumping the whole session over an ssh tunnel... there's no way that could be faster.
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