IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 6 December 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:33 | <cheche> I am stil having problems with LTSP. I am able to boot up from the net using a new laptop. But try to boot up with a PII 350mhz/128Mb RAM fails
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| 00:34 | it reboot itselfs when the kernel loads. no error just reboot.. try to modify image and add SHELL_02=true but no luck on this one
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| 00:58 | <cheche> looks like 128M was not enough. Adding 64Mb was enought to boot up.
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| 01:04 | <andygraybeal> nice
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| 01:17 | <cheche> andygraybeal: it was a shame that no error pop up somewhere.. Enable rsyslog but still no-error. This was just a lucky shot.
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| 01:31 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 01:31 | go cheche
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| 01:31 | i'm still having no luck with my venture w/ ltsp and ldap at this moment - i've gotten further along but still no go.
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| 01:31 | i will keep working. i've been at it since 4am friday morning.. and everyone can laugh, i don't care.
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| 01:32 | <cheche> andygraybeal: I thought that you go it working.
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| 01:32 | <andygraybeal> i did, but someone told me i had it convoluted. he told me how to straighten it out, it just hasn't worked.
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| 01:32 | <cheche> so, what is the problem?
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| 01:33 | <andygraybeal> basically i have no clue as to what i'm doing :) ... um.. and probably need to pay more attention.
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| 01:33 | <cheche> :-)
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| 01:34 | <andygraybeal> i dunno man, i'll get it soon.
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| 01:34 | i'm almost there.
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| 01:34 | <cheche> try to start from basic and move up..
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| 01:34 | <andygraybeal> i hvae plenty of coffee
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| 01:34 | yes, i overstretched myself.. and failed.. now i'm backing up
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| 01:35 | kind of want to start from scratch for the ninth time
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| 01:35 | i'll get it man, i am confident.
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| 01:35 | it just takes me time, longer than the others.
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| 01:35 | <cheche> well, I am not sure... ok, so you are able to use LTSP without auth from ldap right?
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| 01:36 | <andygraybeal> naw, i failed this time at that.
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| 01:36 | i got it previously
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| 01:36 | time and time before, but not this time :)
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| 01:36 | i know right, i can auth on the ltsp server with ldap, but the client doesn't auth with or without ldap
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| 01:37 | so ldap isn't even at play in this.
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| 01:37 | right now i'm just trying to back track until i can get auth with straight ltsp
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| 01:37 | brb
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| 01:38 | <cheche> is the client able to auth with local username/pasword?
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| 01:39 | <andygraybeal> client isn't authing with anything
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| 01:39 | it boots up to ldm thouhg, so that is plusses
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| 01:40 | i want to remake the image for the hey of it man.
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| 01:40 | unless you got a better idea..
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| 01:41 | i guess i can try to update kernels and ssh keys
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| 01:41 | <cheche> still learinig how all those pieces fit together...
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| 01:42 | <bixter> anyone have plymouth working with nvidia drivers?
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| 01:43 | <andygraybeal> i figure tailing /var/log/auth.log would help me out, but it isn't... you got an idea of what i could watch to fin d the problem?
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| 01:44 | <cheche> andygraybeal: if as default it uses the localhost. I guess that you changed something on the /etc/nsswitch.conf
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| 01:45 | andygraybeal: still. not sure how LTSP fit together...
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| 01:45 | <andygraybeal> maybe so, lemme look - i've never heard of that file, but i notice it might get changed with zentyal
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| 01:45 | <cheche> mine is "passwd: compat"
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| 01:46 | <andygraybeal> mine: 'passwd: compat ldap'
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| 01:47 | i auth just fine on the server itself, but the client, i don't auth
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| 01:47 | to repeat myself.. sorry if you got that befor.
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| 01:48 | <cheche> comment that line and put "passwd: compat" . see if you can auth locally
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| 01:48 | <andygraybeal> i'm updating image for the heck of it -- i will comment that line and substitute what you said, in a sec.
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| 01:49 | <cheche> andygraybeal: that line is on the server. so no need to update image for that
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| 01:50 | <andygraybeal> oh i gotcha, i already started the update, befor i read your post
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| 01:51 | it took man, i got in w/ local auth -- i hvaen't done what you said -- i did ltsp-update-kernel and ltsp-update-image
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| 01:51 | lemme try ldap auth now.
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| 01:52 | i'm in w/ ldap auth!
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| 01:52 | hooray!! omg yes !
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| 01:52 | <cheche> i have not done anything...
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| 01:52 | <andygraybeal> it's not kludged this time!
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| 01:52 | cheche: :))
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| 01:52 | i dunno man.. i just don't get it - but i keep trying.
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| 01:53 | thanksfor the help anyway.
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| 01:53 | i'm glad that your getting along well.
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| 01:53 | the more people that use this the awesomer it becomes :) thanks very much to the devs.
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| 02:00 | <andygraybeal> wow, what a relief.. now to do it all over again to make sure i can repeat this.
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| 02:00 | oh yea, i forgot my next step is to get it to be a fat client now
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| 02:00 | shouldn't be that hard from here on out now that i got auth
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| 02:10 | okay, building the fat client.
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| 02:45 | <andygraybeal> still building
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| 03:11 | <andygraybeal> still building :)
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| 03:12 | i think i'm gonna head to sleep; keep everything running
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| 08:57 | <dobber> old files in /home/nbdswap are not cleared properly
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| 08:58 | probably because of server restarts... ?
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| 09:36 | <andygraybeal> fat client build and boot successful :)
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| 09:37 | <khildin> ^^
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| 09:37 | <andygraybeal> now to do it 4 more times to make absolutely sure and document it.
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| 09:37 | <andygraybeal> morign khildin :) it is a success.
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| 09:37 | not kludgey!
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| 09:37 | <khildin> would love to read your documentation.... are you going to post it in TRAC?
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| 09:38 | <andygraybeal> possibly, i need to do this operation like 2 or 3 more times to make sure
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| 09:38 | <khildin> as community documentation?
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| 09:38 | <andygraybeal> i don't know man :) howerver is best.
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| 09:38 | so i'd ask before i did anything
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| 09:38 | i've never documented anything for ltsp
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| 09:39 | <khildin> just write down what you do, how you do it and what the result is... :)
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| 09:39 | <andygraybeal> i need to learn trac
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| 09:40 | <khildin> syntax isn't that difficult.... I hate it... but not difficult... :P
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| 09:40 | <andygraybeal> what is the ltsp trac?
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| 09:41 | <khildin> ltsp documentation is rather fragmented... I was thinking of zentyal trac... ;)
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| 09:41 | <andygraybeal> aaah
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| 09:41 | zentyal trac
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| 09:42 | yes, i will do both
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| 09:42 | ltsp and zentyals
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| 09:43 | <khildin> ltsp documentation for ubuntu is on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 09:43 | <andygraybeal> yea yea :)
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| 09:43 | i read that over and over and over. i wondered what you meant when you said trac :)
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| 09:43 | i was like huh?
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| 09:43 | <khildin> ^^
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| 09:44 | <andygraybeal> i was like.. oh.. developer stuff.... of course i don't know.
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| 09:44 | but yes, i'm used to reading zentyal's trac
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| 09:45 | now for coffee!! i have a wiring project this morning.
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| 09:46 | have to be ready by 6am :) the restaurant that i co-own is closed today.
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| 09:46 | it's the only time i can work on the infrastructure when we close. it's rare enough.
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| 09:46 | <khildin> hehe
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| 09:46 | <andygraybeal> wiring that is
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| 09:47 | <khildin> installing a lot of AP's? or Wall outlets?
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| 09:47 | <andygraybeal> where going to replace our 2.4ghz phone with a 1.9ghz phone - but we want it in a different place than it is. we also want to replace the wire to another phone that was spliced by a contractor some years ago.
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| 09:48 | <khildin> plain pstn or voip?
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| 09:48 | <andygraybeal> proprietary hybrid. before voip... it's digital.. it's very stupid.. we are going to move to voip soon enough - but not there yet.
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| 09:49 | some phones run off of ATA some phones run direct to digital box
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| 09:49 | <khildin> I use a simple linsys ATA
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| 09:49 | linksys*
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| 09:50 | <andygraybeal> aah i have one of those
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| 09:50 | err.. i think i know what your talking about atleast.
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| 09:50 | you use that for home? or for business?
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| 09:50 | <khildin> have been yelling on those dialplans long enough... lol
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| 09:50 | home
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| 09:51 | <andygraybeal> yea, it's great for home.
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| 09:51 | give me a couple of weeks to practice this installation before i feel comfortable documenting it
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| 09:52 | i'm just happy i got it to work
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| 09:52 | <khildin> fair enough... :P
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| 09:52 | <andygraybeal> have you tried otrs-itsm ?
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| 09:52 | i got that integrated into zentyal ldap the other day! i was like.. woohoo!
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| 09:53 | so.. as far as it goes.. i'm getting the hang of this ldap compared to where i was a year ago. i'm gonna keep going....we have so many apps we use a tthe restaurant that i need to integrate.
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| 09:53 | i'm so excited.
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| 09:55 | <khildin> ohh... nice!!...
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| 09:56 | I just hear you have a LOT of documenting to do!!
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| 09:56 | :P
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| 10:17 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 13:42 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 14:41 | <JerryNJ> need some help for PXE boot on ltsp
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> !ask | JerryNJ
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| 14:56 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: "JerryNJ" is not a valid command.
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> !ask | echo JerryNJ:
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| 14:56 | <ltsp> JerryNJ: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 14:58 | <JerryNJ> Im having a couple issues on another LTSP build I just did
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| 14:58 | I can PXE boot from a VM, but not from a physical machine
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| 14:58 | although I know its getting an IP
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| 14:59 | it freezes mid-boot with the ubuntu logo on the client screen
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| 14:59 | !ask
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| 14:59 | <ltsp> JerryNJ: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash
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| 14:59 | <ltsp> alkisg: quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash .
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> JerryNJ: try that ^
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| 15:00 | <JerryNJ> thanks. but im less concerned about the splash screen and more concerned that I cannot connect clients
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| 15:00 | hey Gadi
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> JerryNJ: if you remove the splash screen, you'll see the reason that clients don't boot
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| 15:03 | <JerryNJ> kk i did that - rebooting client now
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| 15:04 | <JerryNJ> invalid card member
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| 15:04 | never saw that before
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| 15:04 | !ask invalid card member
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| 15:04 | <ltsp> JerryNJ: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
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| 15:05 | <JerryNJ> !ask alkisg invalid card member
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| 15:05 | <ltsp> JerryNJ: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> ...I'm not a bot you know
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| 15:05 | ltsp is a bot, not me
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| 15:06 | So you can speak to me in normal english
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| 15:06 | Anyway, ignore that error, it's alsa complaining, but it's not the problem that prevents your computer from displaying the login screen
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| 15:06 | Your problem might be X-related, i.e. graphics card issu
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| 15:06 | e
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| 15:07 | You can try nomodeset, or you can try SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf, from where you'll get a shell to run `X -configure` or `lspci --n -k|grep -A 2 VGA` to troubleshoot your graphics problem
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| 15:07 | !nomodeset | echo JerryNJ
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| 15:07 | <ltsp> JerryNJ nomodeset: Unfortunately, Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) doesn't work well with some cards. To disable it, open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset".
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Good luck, bb
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| 15:08 | <JerryNJ> trying that now
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| 15:10 | when i put in nomodeset and boot the client I get to a "boot:" command
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| 15:32 | <JerryNJ> !ask anyone know how I can get the server background on rdesktop connections?
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| 15:32 | <ltsp> JerryNJ: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
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| 15:36 | <JerryNJ> anyone know how I can get the server background on rdesktop connections?
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| 15:48 | <sndwrx> khildin: I noticed your conversation last night about PXE over wireless.
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| 15:48 | khildin: I may be going out on a limb here, but what about a base system like Plop to get the wireless card running then PXE over it?
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| 15:49 | <JerryNJ> anyone have any info on connecting to Win 2008 R2? I get a black cursor and no background
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| 15:49 | <sndwrx> I'd be happy to help, but I still know nothing about LTSP. :)
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| 15:50 | <sndwrx> I'm just hanging around in the channel to get info and ideas, leading up to my first install (which will be soon, as other projects slow).
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| 16:11 | <JerryNJ> can someone help me upgrade rdesktop on ubuntu
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| 16:15 | can someone help me upgrade rdesktop on ubuntu
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| 16:42 | <JerryNJ> !ask
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| 16:42 | <ltsp> JerryNJ: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 17:13 | <JerryNJ> can I use tsclient instead of rdesktop
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| 18:15 | <Hyperbyte> JerryNJ, you can use anything with LTSP really
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| 18:15 | LTSP uses screen scripts to determine what to launch in the X screens
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| 18:16 | Take a look at the (if memory serves) /opt/ltsp/<arch>/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ directory
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| 18:16 | You can create new scripts there if you want, for basically anything, and then configure it on a thin client using the SCREEN_* variables in lts.conf
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| 18:18 | As for upgrading rdesktop, "apt-get upgrade rdesktop" should probably do it, if there's an upgrade available. But I think the first thing you should be telling us is, -why- do ou want to upgrade rdesktop, and -why- do you want to use tsclient (whatever that is)?
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| 18:19 | Just read a bit back in the log, if you're having a problem with rdesktop not giving you a proper login prompt, see if it does it also when you use Windows' own remote desktop tool. If it does, your problem lies with Windows 2000, not Linux or rdesktop.
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| 18:19 | <JerryNJ> the reason is that when I connect to a W2008 R2 TS , I have a black mouse pointer
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| 18:20 | this is a problem for the end users
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| 18:20 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm
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| 18:21 | And this is with the rdesktop screen script?
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| 18:21 | Or with rdesktop launched from Gnome?
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| 18:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> JerryNJ: there is a fix for that
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| 18:22 | it's actually a rdesktop bug
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| 18:22 | let me see if I can find it for you
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| 18:22 | <Hyperbyte> :o!
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| 18:22 | * Hyperbyte bows to the wisdom of the great _UsUrPeR_ | |
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| 18:22 | <JerryNJ> i would appreciate it
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| 18:22 | using ubuntu lucid
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| 18:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> here you go: http://linuxforkeysers.blogspot.com/2010/08/black-cursors-on-win72008-r2-using.html . This is something I have used to fix rdesktop on my laptop.
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| 18:24 | I am hoping you are using 10.04 :)
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| 18:24 | <JerryNJ> i am
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| 18:25 | and i think i already tried that
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| 18:25 | but i will try again
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| 18:25 | do i need to reboot the ltsp box after?
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| 18:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> I don't believe so
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| 18:27 | <Hyperbyte> Are you using the rdesktop screen script, or rdesktop from Gnome? And are you using thin clients or fat?
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| 18:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> ^^^ these are important questions
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| 18:28 | JerryNJ: if you are using screen_07 = rdesktop, I believe you will need to install the rdesktop fix on your client image.
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| 18:28 | <Hyperbyte> Yes, and if you are using fat clients, you will need to install the binary in the client image as well, in /opt/ltsp/<arch>/
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| 18:28 | And then afterwards ltsp-update-image
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| 18:29 | And then reboot clients
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| 18:29 | *client
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| 18:29 | Server you don't have to reboot at all for this...
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| 18:30 | If you're using rdesktop from Gnome, and thin clients, you don't have to do anything after applying the fix.
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| 18:40 | <priyank> hi ... I want to know why this LTSP has not been a wide success ..... ??
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| 18:40 | <Hyperbyte> It hasn't?
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| 18:40 | <priyank> I have open up an education centre..
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| 18:40 | I am getting a good response
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| 18:41 | means It hasn't got much hype so as chrome os... i guess so
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| 18:41 | <JerryNJ> _UsUrPeR_: I followed that article and I get a response when i do update rdesktop - 0 upgraded 0 newly installed 0 upgraded 1 not upgraded
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| 18:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> JerryNJ: we left you a few messages above. Could you answer some of our questions please?
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| 18:43 | <JerryNJ> thin clients
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| 18:43 | just running ltsp-update-image now
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| 18:43 | and then i will reboot the ubuntu box
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| 18:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> wait
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| 18:43 | before you do that, to clarify:
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| 18:43 | you are running rdesktop how?
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| 18:43 | <JerryNJ> ack, just reboooted it
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| 18:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> JerryNJ ^^
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| 18:44 | <JerryNJ> yes i am running rdesktop now
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| 18:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> how are you running rdesktop? :)
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| 18:45 | <JerryNJ> tftp
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| 18:45 | with pxe boot
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| 18:45 | to a w2008 r2 server
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| 18:45 | btw, after the reboot the mouse pointer is still black
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| 18:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, is there a line in your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file that looks like the following: "screen_07=rdesktop"
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| 18:46 | <JerryNJ> ill double check, but im relatively sure
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| 18:48 | yes it reads : SCREEN_07="rdesktop...........
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| 18:48 | but alas - still have the black mouse pointer
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| 18:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> JerryNJ: the reason this is not working for you is: rdesktop is running on your client
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| 18:50 | not your server
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| 18:50 | in order to make changes to the client image, you will need to make the same changes on your server, but you will need to do them in /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 18:50 | you may do this by running chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 18:51 | and proceeding from that point, inside the chroot'd file system
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| 18:51 | there appears to be a working binary for i386 at ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/testbildtest
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| 18:51 | which is cool
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| 18:51 | because according to that site, the previous build was removed
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| 18:53 | <JerryNJ> oh
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| 18:53 | can you walk me through that
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| 18:53 | im a dumb windows guy
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| 18:55 | <JerryNJ> i get no such file exists when i run that chroot command
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| 19:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> JerryNJ: I apologize, but I don't presently have the time to go through the minutia. Perhaps someone else can cover the details.
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| 19:08 | <JerryNJ> im sorry
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| 19:08 | i was able to nav to the folder
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| 19:08 | but when i run the sudo apt-get its failing now
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| 19:21 | <JerryNJ> !ask can someone walk me throut updating the rdesktop client on my ltsp server please?
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| 19:21 | <ltsp> JerryNJ: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
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| 19:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> JerryNJ: this will give you some pointers about installing and working with localapps: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup
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| 19:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> remember: running rdesktop from the lts.conf (the way you have it set up) is the equivalent of running it as a localapp on the client. This is atypical of most localapps.
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| 19:25 | <JerryNJ> I CANT CHROOT TO THAT FOLDER
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| 19:25 | <JerryNJ> AAAAAAH
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| 20:02 | <JerryNJ> anyone here have a fix for rdesktop to alleviate the issue with the black mouse pointer?
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| 21:28 | <Hyperbyte> JerryNJ, you were given it.
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| 21:28 | If you want to work with Linux, you have to learn to analyse what your problem is, and work to fix it... without getting frustrated and yelling in all caps to strangers on the internet.
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| 21:29 | The fix you were given by _UsUrPeR_, was to copy an rdesktop binary to the client chroot. Where exactly are you getting stuck?
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| 21:29 | <JerryNJ> well
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| 21:29 | it looks like i was able to get the client updated
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| 21:29 | (i think)
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| 21:30 | but the issue still remains
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| 21:30 | unless I did something wrong
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| 21:30 | any idea how i can check if the client is the right one?
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| 21:30 | <bixter> anyone know how i can assign better hostnames (not mac address) to thin clients? or is it best to write a script?
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| 21:30 | <JerryNJ> i.e. the one that is fixed?
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| 21:31 | <bixter> yeah
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| 21:32 | <Hyperbyte> JerryNJ, get a local root shell on the client, compare file sizes of the rdesktop executable on there, with the file size of the executable it should be.
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| 21:32 | <bixter> not sure if ltsp has something built in
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| 21:32 | <Hyperbyte> !screen_02 | echo JerryNJ
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| 21:32 | <ltsp> JerryNJ screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 21:32 | <Hyperbyte> bixter, what will determine the client hostname then, if not mac address?
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| 21:33 | <bixter> a text file. didnt know if there was a config file one could write like mac = hostname
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| 21:33 | i can write onr
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| 21:33 | err on e
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| 21:33 | <Hyperbyte> Then all your clients will have the same hostname?
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| 21:33 | <bixter> nah
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| 21:34 | they can look at a text file to determine their hostname
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| 21:34 | from their macs
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| 21:34 | <Hyperbyte> Rightr
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| 21:34 | Why do you want this?
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| 21:34 | <bixter> u know what. ill just put it in my hosts file.
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| 21:34 | <JerryNJ> so if i get to the root shell...
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| 21:35 | <bixter> do some aliases
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| 21:35 | <JerryNJ> then i can tell what version i have?
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| 21:35 | <Hyperbyte> bixter, so basically, you don't want to change the client hostnames
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| 21:35 | You want to change the DNS entries?
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| 21:35 | <bixter> both
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| 21:35 | <Hyperbyte> You could have your DHCPD hand out static IP addresses based on MAC, and map DNS entries to those...
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| 21:35 | <bixter> yeah
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| 21:36 | <Hyperbyte> As for client hostname, I don't think it's configurable.
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| 21:36 | <bixter> yeah, thats not as important. dns will do it for me
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| 21:36 | <Hyperbyte> Although it would be fairly easy to hack the LTSP source code to read hostname from lts.conf
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| 21:37 | JerryNJ, please read my previous comment. If you get stuck on what to do, ask... but don't make me repeat the same thing, please.
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| 21:39 | <JerryNJ> hyper - i dont know where to find those files
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| 21:40 | so i wouldnt know how to compare
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| 21:40 | im sorry - im not a nix proficient person
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| 21:42 | <bixter> one more question. i have a 2GB fat client for myth that uses about 1GB of that, any reason for a network swap?>
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| 21:43 | <Hyperbyte> JerryNJ, don't be sorry for asking questions.
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| 21:43 | Type 'whereis rdesktop'
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| 21:49 | <JerryNJ> i typed that and it looks like it showed me a path
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| 23:15 | <alkisg> 21:36<Hyperbyte>Although it would be fairly easy to hack the LTSP source code to read hostname from lts.conf ==> it currently does :)
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| 23:15 | So bixter you can set HOSTNAME=xxx In lts.conf, under [mac:address] sections for each of your clients
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| 23:15 | But you can also set client hostnames from dhcp
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