IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 6 July 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:27 | <joulez> hello what version of ltsp is localapps supported from?
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| 00:30 | <vagrantc> quite a while now, what versions are you looking at using? on what distro?
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| 00:31 | <joulez> we are running 5.1.10-2
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| 00:31 | debian (lenny)
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| 00:34 | <vagrantc> support for lenny was dropped about 5 months ago...
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| 00:35 | <joulez> we are stuck on it for the moment (some legacy apps)
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| 00:35 | <vagrantc> you could get localapps support with an ltsp backport, if backports.debian.org still supports lenny-backports.
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| 00:36 | <joulez> see what it pulls in.
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| 00:36 | <vagrantc> or build a squeeze chroot on a lenny server
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| 00:37 | first version in debian to support localapps was 5.1.17-1
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| 00:38 | squeeze and lenny-backports had 5.2.4-2
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| 00:41 | <joulez> lenny-backports is no more, unless its archived somewhere.
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| 00:42 | found it http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/backports.org/dists/lenny-backports/
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| 00:42 | <vagrantc> if i recall correctly, it was a pretty trivial rebuild, you could download ltsp, ldm and ltspfs sources from squeeze and rebuild if you have to
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| 00:48 | <joulez> thanks.
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| 00:51 | <vagrantc> but if archive.debian.org has it, you could get it from there too
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| 00:55 | <joulez> running wheezy at home, kde 4.8 is awesome.
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| 00:56 | can you run kde 4.8 as a local app? or are we going fat client?
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| 00:58 | <vagrantc> running a window manager as a localapp will effectively make all the programs is starts localapps as well
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| 00:59 | at which point, you're better off going fat client
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| 01:01 | <joulez> ok thanks.
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| 01:01 | gunna try this.
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| 01:59 | <joulez> hi, how do i force ltsp to use NFS?
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| 02:00 | <vagrantc> on ubuntu?
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| 02:03 | <joulez> oh i see it.
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| 02:03 | its ok i guess debian squeeze changed over to nbd ?
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| 02:06 | ok boots now.
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| 02:06 | <vagrantc> no, debian defaults to NFS
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| 02:06 | but most versions of ltsp include an ltsp-update-image which automatically converts to using NBD, but there's no need to run ltsp-update-image on Debian
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| 02:06 | <joulez> what rewrote my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default?
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| 02:06 | oh i ran it :/
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| 02:07 | <vagrantc> recent versions of ltsp-update-image actually do some meaningful sanity checking, finally! :)
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| 02:07 | it's also much easier to switch back and forth now...
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| 02:07 | <joulez> cool
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| 02:07 | <vagrantc> but that's with ltsp 5.4+
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| 02:08 | <joulez> yes i really want to get off lenny here.
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| 02:25 | ltsp-localapps xterm, doesn't do anything, is ltsp-localappsd supposed to be running on the server or the client? I don't see it running on the client, but its installed.
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| 02:25 | <vagrantc> ltsp-localappsd should be running on the client
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| 02:26 | <joulez> i have LOCAL_APPS=True
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| 02:26 | <vagrantc> what version are you running?
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| 02:27 | <joulez> 5.2.4-2~bpo50+2
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| 02:28 | * vagrantc vaguely recalls a version minimum of openssh-server 5+ on the server. | |
| 02:29 | <joulez> 1:5.1p1-5
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| 02:29 | ltsp-localappsd isn't running on the client anyhow.
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| 02:30 | <vagrantc> it's been so long since i've used such an old version...
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| 02:30 | <joulez> ok
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| 02:30 | <vagrantc> hard to remember what the status should be
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| 02:31 | joulez: ldm version?
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| 02:31 | joulez: does "ltsp-info" return anything?
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| 04:39 | <joulez> hello again.
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| 04:40 | i'm going to have one more at getting localapps working.
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| 04:40 | i got this far. x192-168-2-47 ltsp-localappsd: Executing command as username jules: xterm
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| 04:41 | but I see it does. su - ${LDM_USERNAME} -c
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| 04:41 | which would fail on the client, any suggestions?
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| 04:51 | <joulez> oh this wont work, trying to update openssh but it pulls in libc6 which breaks everything.
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| 04:51 | oh well till we upgrade to squeeze.
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| 05:24 | <joulez> oh wait..
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| 05:25 | i use zsh and off course theres no zsh in the client fs
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| 05:25 | of
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| 05:25 | hmm...
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| 05:27 | oops that did it.
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| 05:27 | =]
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| 07:59 | <Andy2> hello
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| 08:03 | can someone help me with my problem that in my ltsp cluster environment the user can't login with autologin but sometimes it works
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| 08:59 | <baptiste> Andy2, how can a user autologin? is this based on the thin client's MAC address?
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| 09:01 | never thought of that, but a client that autologins can serve as a public computer, it would work and look like a standalone computer but would only be a user account on ltsp machine behind the scenes
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| 09:02 | <muppis> I run my htpc that way.
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| 09:02 | <baptiste> :)
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| 09:03 | so you have the "hybrid client" setup with video player working on the local box?
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| 09:03 | <muppis> So I can make htpc virtually any pc which can boot to ltsp.
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| 09:04 | Special user account for that. :D
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| 09:05 | <baptiste> can you choose the desktop environment per user? i.e. lxde, or fluxbox instead of gnome
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| 09:06 | <muppis> Sure.
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| 09:25 | <Andy2> baptiste: yeah this is based on the thinclients MAC address. I wrote in the lts.conf from the root server the entry [MAC] LDM_USERNAME=[USER] LDM_PASSWORD=[PASS]
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| 09:25 | and i am using xfce4 as my desktop environment
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| 09:32 | baptiste: sorry, checked it again and i saw that we use the IP address. and we give the clients a IP address based on their mac address
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| 09:52 | <joulez> hello, after getting localapps working for debian (lenny), this client was rather weak to deal with firefox+flash anyhow, sad.
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| 09:53 | <muppis> As localapp?
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| 09:53 | <joulez> yeah
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| 09:54 | i did ltsp-localapps firefox
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| 09:54 | <muppis> Clients CPU and RAM?
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| 09:54 | <joulez> its a t5730
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| 09:55 | http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12888_div/12888_div.html
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| 09:55 | AMD Sempron 2100+ 1 GHz
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| 09:55 | 512MB ram
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| 09:56 | ATI Radeon X1250 graphics
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| 09:58 | <muppis> Oh well... Those guys little outdated.
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| 09:59 | <joulez> aw
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| 10:30 | <baptiste> thanks all. I did have the ltsp "Administrator's Reference" printed and assembled, it's a joy. chapters about chroot, sound, login manager, xorg, printers etc.
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| 10:34 | that thin client with the sempron 64 @ 1GHz : it's not that bad, about the performance of an Atom. more powerful than tablets - but those simply don't run flash. Sure, the web is terribly heavy.
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| 10:35 | the flashblock extension is hugely useful, I always install it. I'd need to deploy it to new or existing user accounts
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| 10:42 | <joulez> i thought it would cope.
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| 10:44 | its not a 64 though.
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| 10:45 | to be honest firefox performed better served from the server (dell poweredge).
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| 10:45 | it loaded quicker too.
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| 10:47 | baptiste: i was actually comparing playing a youtube video.
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| 10:48 | <baptiste> does the video play back better from the client?
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| 10:48 | <joulez> at standard size
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| 10:48 | yes.
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| 10:49 | <baptiste> but running 50 tabs.. that must kill it
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| 10:49 | <joulez> 50 tabs?
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| 10:50 | <baptiste> I mean, heavy use of web pages will be slow on the client no matter what
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| 10:50 | I'd make it run out of memory too
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| 10:50 | <joulez> yeh
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| 10:51 | i think /home is mounted over ssh as well.
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| 10:51 | sshfs
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| 10:51 | to think i once had a ppro150 with windowmaker and thought it was fast.
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| 10:52 | firefox is a memory hog.
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| 10:52 | <baptiste> this is where a solution with expensive microsoft licenses, and branded thin clients can give you best of both things : everything is done on server, except video playback which is beamed to the client - with hardware decoding even
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| 10:53 | <joulez> well
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| 10:54 | looked at NX?
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| 10:54 | i'm using it now, its pretty damn fast.
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| 10:54 | <baptiste> not really
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| 10:55 | where I used ltsp, the bearded geek set it up to use VNC. pretty fast too! clients were P2 233 with 64MB ram
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| 10:57 | youtube video was usable in small window. there was no sound (nor money for speakers anyway)
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| 10:59 | when I used vnc on home computers (windows xp, ubuntu 10.04) it was a lot slower, dunno why.
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| 10:59 | <joulez> NX does it differently
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| 11:00 | but that said, theres also wayland
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| 11:18 | <Andy2> has someone knowledge with autologin?
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| 11:19 | <muppis> http://i.imgur.com/aPw3R.jpg :D
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| 11:20 | And wrong channel..
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| 11:21 | <joulez> muppis: :)
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| 11:21 | so we are shaped from clay.
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| 11:22 | <joulez> so who shaped me!
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| 11:22 | * joulez is frightened | |
| 11:23 | <muppis> Andy2, just tell your problem then someone might know how to help.
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| 11:25 | <Hyperbyte> Hi everyone!
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| 11:25 | <Andy2> I have a LTSP cluster with autologin and sometimes I can automatically login and later not. I looked at the app server if it depends on them but it is like random. In my syslog i get nbd_server disconnect request received. I don't know where the problem is.
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| 11:26 | <joulez> Andy2: from the same client?
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| 11:28 | <Andy2> joulez: Yes, I just have one client I can start from here.
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| 11:30 | <joulez> i don't see how auto login has anything to do with your problem, but i'm just guessing.
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| 11:32 | <Andy2> i don't know what else the problem should be, because it was working when i had no autologin
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| 11:33 | <joulez> can you paste your lts.conf ?
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| 11:35 | <Andy2> [Default]
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| 11:35 | LDM_SESSION=xfce4-session
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| 11:35 | LOCAL_APPS=True
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| 11:35 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
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| 11:35 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=firefox,freecad,flash
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| 11:35 | SEARCH_DOMAIN=XXXX
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| 11:35 | DNS_SERVER=10.99.99.1
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| 11:35 | RCFILE_01=/etc/init.d/chmod-resolv.sh
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| 11:35 | LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True
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| 11:35 | [10.99.99.57]
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| 11:35 | LDM_USERNAME = user120
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| 11:35 | LDM_PASSWORD = guest
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| 11:35 | <Hyperbyte> Andy2, you said 'sometimes you can automatically login and later not'... describe exactly what happens
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| 11:35 | joulez, Andy2, you never paste on IRC. You use pastebin! :)
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| 11:35 | <joulez> thats what I meant...
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| 11:35 | *sigh*
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| 11:35 | <Andy2> Hyperbyte: oh i am sorry. will do it next time
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| 11:35 | <Hyperbyte> joulez, you said paste though. :)
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| 11:35 | <joulez> but..
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| 11:36 | don't blame me!
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| 11:36 | :)
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| 11:36 | <Hyperbyte> I can blame you all day long if I want to! ;-)
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| 11:36 | But luckily for you, blame is irrelevant. :P
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| 11:37 | <Andy2> Hyperbyte: I just start my thinclient and it loads the image after this the windows appears with information about the application server and so on. I press ok and then a few seconds nothing is happening. Then it get darker and the client treies to login on the next server
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| 11:38 | <joulez> sorry, my version of lts.conf only supports mac addresses
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| 11:39 | <Andy2> which version do you use?
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| 11:39 | <joulez> Andy2: put the MAC address of the client you want to auto login not the ip.
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| 11:40 | <Andy2> I will try it
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| 11:42 | <joulez> arp -vn | grep 10.99.99.57
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| 11:46 | <Andy2> No success. Changed the field where the IP was in to [00:0C:29:6B:63:D4]. But it is still not working
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| 11:47 | <joulez> you have to login?
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| 11:50 | <Andy2> no the client is just changing the app-server
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| 11:50 | <joulez> do you have to manually login?
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| 11:50 | <Andy2> no
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| 11:51 | <joulez> does LDM prompt you for anything?
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| 11:52 | <Andy2> just a windows with information about the app-server (ip) and my mac. there i have to press "ok". after this the screen gets black and the client changes the app-server
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| 11:55 | <joulez> Andy2: what distro?
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| 12:22 | <Andy2> joulez: edubuntu 10.04
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| 12:23 | <joulez> auto login is not your problem.
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| 12:24 | <Andy2> joulez: what could it be? i am clueless where to look
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| 12:25 | <joulez> how many clients do you manage?
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| 12:26 | <Andy2> there are 23 physical clients which i can not start at the moment because i am not there and 2 virtual clients
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| 12:26 | <joulez> all it does is LDM logs in for you...that is all.
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| 12:27 | <Andy2> ah okay so the problem is really somewhere else
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| 12:28 | <joulez> I suggest you go back to a working setup.
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| 12:30 | <Andy2> okay i will try it thanks for your help :)
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| 12:31 | or can i try to enable guest login? should nearly be the same or?
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| 12:33 | <joulez> why would that work if what you doing now isn't?
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| 12:34 | besides its just a feature (button within the LDM)
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| 12:35 | <Andy2> you are right. was stupid from me...
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| 12:36 | <joulez> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man5/lts.conf.5.html
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| 21:57 | <muppis> Is there a other way to start app at server in fat than using ssh -X ?
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| 22:04 | <||cw> muppis: is there any other way to run a local gui for a remote process?
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| 22:05 | <muppis> I've heard rumors that there could be a chance, but I think in this case answer is no. :)
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