IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 October 2013 (all times are UTC)
| 00:41 | <bennabiy> yup
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| 00:42 | !bennabiy
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| 00:42 | <ltsp> Error: "bennabiy" is not a valid command.
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| 00:42 | <bennabiy> !bennabiy_todo
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| 00:42 | <ltsp> Error: "bennabiy_todo" is not a valid command.
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| 00:44 | <bennabiy> !learn bennabiy_todo as Finish patching LinuxMint code to detect NON mint chroot build requests on mint, and to build a mint chroot on non mint server.
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| 00:44 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 00:44 | <bennabiy> !LinuxMint
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| 00:44 | <ltsp> LinuxMint: Now Available: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/ltsp-ppa Developmental Branch for Mint support (Does not support LMDE yet, sorry) We are currently working on getting changes made upstream, but as a temporary fix, this is available. The client build process might be a bit unstable, as I am actively making changes to it, but everything else is supported upstream.
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| 01:44 | <bennabiy> who maintains http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Main_Page ?
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| 03:25 | <vagrantc> bennabiy_again: it should get redirected to wiki.ltsp.org at some point
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| 03:25 | bennabiy_again: that's the old wiki, long neglected
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| 17:15 | <tfdl> Hello gentlemen, we tried to build 32 bit client image on a 64 bit server ubuntu 10.04. now we got error "failed to connect to nbd-server" a few second into client's boot up. Can you please help us?
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| 17:16 | thanks so much for all the help thus far.
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| 17:26 | <bcdonadio> !nbd-client
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| 17:26 | <ltsp> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 17:27 | <bcdonadio> Try this manually, with the address of your nbd server
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| 17:29 | <tfdl> ok, i am doing it now
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| 17:29 | !nbd-client
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| 17:29 | <ltsp> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 17:31 | <tfdl> <bcdonadio> sorry but not sure how to do this manually, where do i issue the command?
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| 17:31 | when running nbd-client on the server it said the The program 'nbd-client' is currently not installed.
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| 17:32 | <bcdonadio> tfdl, boot the thin client, and after the failure to mount the nbd0 device, it should hand to you an initramfs shell: that's where you should run this command
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| 17:32 | <tfdl> yes, understand
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| 17:32 | <bcdonadio> it should be ran in the client, not the server
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| 17:32 | <tfdl> understand
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| 17:32 | doing it
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| 17:34 | i have to run to the client far from where i sit.
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| 17:37 | <bcdonadio> don't worry, just tell me if it connect succesfully or not
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| 17:41 | <tfdl> failed. error: nbd no such file or directory exist. please insure nbd module is installed. thanks <bcdonadio>
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| 17:41 | <bennabiy> I have noticed that nbd sometimes needs to be restarted, and it solves the issue
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| 17:41 | from the server, issue sudo service nbd-server restart
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| 17:42 | <tfdl> <bennabiy> i tried to stop and start nbd-server stop/start but it did not go.
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| 17:43 | <bennabiy> If you are just getting a busybox, it is most likely an NBD issue, so either your server is not configured properly, or you might need to purge the settings, and reinstall the nbd server
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| 17:43 | <bcdonadio> tfdl, paste the output of this (in the server): cat /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf
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| 17:43 | <bennabiy> also, are you sure that it is on the .67 subnet?
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| 17:44 | <tfdl> administrator@ltspserver1:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg$ cat /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf cat: /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf: No such file or directory
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| 17:45 | <bennabiy> it is on the same subnet, i confirmed, this is because we did not get this error in the 64 bit client. we rebuilt to 32 bit client this where we got error.
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| 17:46 | <bcdonadio> tfdl, your nbd-server is not configured to serve the i386 image. If I recall correctly, the following should create that config file: # ltsp-config nbd-server
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| 17:47 | <bcdonadio> then, restart your nbd-server
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| 17:47 | <tfdl> i am trying <bcdonadio>
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| 17:48 | sudo: ltsp-config: command not found
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| 17:49 | <bennabiy> umm. that is not normal
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| 17:49 | how did you install ltsp?
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| 17:50 | <tfdl> as normal of a 64 bit ltsp alternate iso image
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| 17:50 | i downloaded here: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
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| 17:51 | <bennabiy> Hmm. I seem to recall that I ran into nbd issues when I ran under 10.04
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| 17:51 | <tfdl> for your background: going to newest version is not an option at all for our university library.
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| 17:51 | <bennabiy> what does ltsp-info say?
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| 17:51 | what version ltsp are you running?
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| 17:52 | <tfdl> server information: No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description: Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS Release: 10.04 Codename: lucid server packages: ii ldm-server 2:2.1.1-0ubuntu2.1 un ldminfod <none> ii ltsp-server 5.2.1-0ubuntu9 ii ltsp-server-standalone 5.2.1-0ubuntu9 un ltsp-utils <none> ii ltspfs 0.6-0ubuntu1 packages in chroot: /opt/ltsp/i386 ii ldm 2:2.1.1-0ubuntu2.1 un ldm-themes <none> ii ldm-ubuntu-theme 2:
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| 17:53 | <tfdl> i do not know the version of ltsp but what ever comes with 10.04 ltsp alternate
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| 17:53 | <bennabiy> That might have something to do with it. 5.2.1
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| 17:56 | that LTS for desktop is about to reach end of life as well.
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| 17:57 | I just remember running into problems with nbd. I wonder if you tried NFS if you would make it work
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| 17:58 | <tfdl> how do i use NFS?
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| 18:05 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 18:05 | <tfdl> <bcdonadio> you have any thoughts for me please?
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| 18:07 | <bcdonadio> tfdl, paste the following: # cat /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_*
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| 18:08 | <tfdl> administrator@ltspserver1:/etc/nbd-server$ sudo cat /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_* [sudo] password for administrator: cat: /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_*: No such file or directory administrator@ltspserver1:/etc/nbd-server$
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| 18:11 | <bcdonadio> where the hell does your nbd stores the config? run this: # ls -lhA /etc | grep nbd
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| 18:11 | <alkisg> 10.04 didn't have a conf.d
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| 18:11 | nbd-server was ran from inetd
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| 18:11 | Also, the !nbd-client command is not appropriate for 10.04, it's for 12.04
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| 18:11 | grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf will show the nbd-server line
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| 18:12 | <tfdl> 9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img
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| 18:12 | <alkisg> sudo netstat -nap | grep 2000 will show if nbd server is running,
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| 18:12 | <tfdl> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1438/inetd
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| 18:13 | <alkisg> on the client busybox, cat /proc/cmdline might help
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| 18:16 | <tfdl> <alkisg> i have to take my son to appointment, can i please get back to you in about 2 hours.
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| 18:16 | thanks all!
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| 18:16 | thanks.
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| 18:18 | <alkisg> bb
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| 18:20 | <bennabiy> thank you alkisg :)
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| 18:20 | I thought I remembered it being different
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| 18:45 | <willianmazzardo> alkisg hi man
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| 18:45 | ;)
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> hello!
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| 18:46 | <willianmazzardo> news to you.. today I put .wine locally to one user ..
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| 18:46 | and in the company application, the cups doesnt receive any job ...
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| 18:46 | and in the same time
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| 18:46 | i tested NOTEPAD, and workde
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| 18:46 | worked
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| 18:46 | and then i restart application, and then worked too :S
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| 18:46 | maybe is the printer library used in application?
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| 18:48 | * alkisg is on the phone, will read in a while... | |
| 18:49 | <||cw> could be something in the application doing something the wine print spool interface and freezing it
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| 18:49 | I've seen the windows spooler freeze as well due to bad behaving applications
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| 18:50 | <willianmazzardo> ||cw right ... thats my thought too
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| 18:50 | because i didnt had the test with NOTEPAD when application freezes printing
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| 18:54 | <bcdonadio> I'm receiving the following error on /var/log/ltsp-cluster-lbserver.log: "code 400, message Bad request syntax ('getkey')". Any idea what this might be?
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| 18:56 | mgariepy, BTW, the ltsp-cluster-control did worked on precise. Saucy needs some love :P
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| 18:58 | <mgariepy> bcdonadio, well, ltsp-cluster-control need some love..
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| 19:04 | <alkisg> willianmazzardo: I thought the application didn't ever have any printing problems on non-ltsp installations... do you think that was just luck?
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| 19:06 | <willianmazzardo> i dont know ... but outside ltsp the user doesnt complain about this
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> How did you put .wine locally?
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| 19:08 | <||cw> willianmazzardo: is it also on linux in this case?
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| 19:09 | <willianmazzardo> ||cw yes
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| 19:10 | alkisg, I`d created /wine in ltsp-chroot, and into users home, i linked .wine to /wine
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| 19:10 | ls -la show me this
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| 19:10 | .wine -> /wine
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| 19:11 | <alkisg> So it was in tmpfs... hmm... ok that's local enough...
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> You could also try with a more real file system, e.g. an ext4 one,
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| 19:13 | i.e., locally:
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> !nbd-client
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| 19:13 | <ltsp> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> nbd-client server-ip -N swap /dev/nbd2
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| 19:13 | mkfs.ext4 /dev/nbd2
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| 19:14 | mount /dev/nbd2 /home/username/.wine
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> That would ask for 512 MB of nbd space from the server, format it as ext4, and mount it to the user's .wine folder
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| 19:14 | Of course that's temporary too, no changes persist after reboots...
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| 19:15 | <willianmazzardo> i`d tryied with all home locally, but doesnt worked
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| 19:15 | <alkisg> Did it show any error messages?
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| 19:15 | <willianmazzardo> no ..
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| 19:16 | <alkisg> If we can find some common time online, I could help remotely again in preparing a local /home
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| 19:16 | <willianmazzardo> ok ... now i will try this ext4 thing
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| 19:17 | i run that commands on ltsp server or in client?
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| 19:17 | <alkisg> client, as root
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| 19:17 | <willianmazzardo> ok
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| 19:19 | alkisg, exported device is too big
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| 19:19 | get 64-bits machine
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> willianmazzardo: the swap part is wrong... let me see..
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| 19:19 | cat /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/swap.cof
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| 19:20 | Does it say [swap] on top?
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| 19:20 | Or, run x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org for me to look at this remotely...
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| 19:22 | <willianmazzardo> this file doesnt exist into ltsp-server
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| 19:22 | i will open x11vnc to you
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| 19:22 | <alkisg> *conf
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| 19:22 | typo there...
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| 19:22 | <willianmazzardo> yes
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| 19:22 | sure
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| 19:22 | ;)
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| 19:22 | .conf doesnt exist
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| 19:22 | <alkisg> ok, vnc then
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| 19:23 | <willianmazzardo> the xterm opened is for the client who I want to test
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| 19:35 | hi
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| 19:35 | <alkisg> willianmazzardo: can we test with a completely local user?
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| 19:35 | Or do you need its documents?
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| 19:35 | (we can copy them though...)
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| 19:36 | It's just that any changes he does, they'll be lost on reboot
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| 19:36 | <willianmazzardo> no no ... I can copy documents to NAS and mount
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| 19:36 | <alkisg> OK, so, tell me *before* that user logs in, to prepare his /home/username
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| 19:36 | On an epoptes terminal
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| 19:36 | <alkisg> if he has logged in, he needs to logout...
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| 19:37 | So that there's no NFS involved at all, etc etc
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| 19:37 | <willianmazzardo> ok
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| 19:38 | done
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| 19:38 | <alkisg> which client?
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| 19:38 | e.g. ltsp58?
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| 19:38 | <willianmazzardo> ltsp58
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| 19:38 | sorry
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| 19:39 | 69
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| 21:05 | <tfdl> hi <alkisg> can i please request a one to one chat with you?
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| 21:06 | <alkisg> tfdl: sorry, no free private support :)
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| 21:06 | <vagrantc> wy limit yourself to only one great mind?
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| 21:06 | <tfdl> i would like to discuss a paid service but only with you.
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| 21:07 | <alkisg> :) ok, fair enough
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| 21:07 | <tfdl> sorry <vagrantc> i may have said it wrong
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| 21:08 | <vagrantc> no worries :)
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| 21:08 | <tfdl> but i am not sure how i can pay for a paid service
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| 21:08 | i do not want to take advantage of you guys' time
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| 21:08 | just want to show appreciation
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| 21:09 | <alkisg> vagrantc: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/changes ==> I tried the "commit only .pot" option, it's still daily commiting translatios,
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| 21:09 | *n
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| 21:09 | so I'll go back to disabling them until before tagging
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| 21:09 | tfdl: I've pinged you from a private window, if you want you can chat with me there
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| 21:10 | <tfdl> i have been begging a little fund from the library to pay for ltsp. sorry if i said anything wrong.
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| 21:10 | <vagrantc> tfdl: you could sponsor portions of ltsp events to sow you appreciation as well, although i'm sure there are people who would be happy to consult
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| 21:10 | <alkisg> If you want to pay for the project, then you should probably sponsor the ltsp developers gathering event, BTS
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| 21:11 | <tfdl> yes, when i do that i will let you know. thanks!
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| 21:18 | <alkisg> jammcq: how can someone send a bit of sponsorship for the BTS?
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| 21:18 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/ByTheSea_2013#Sponsorship
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| 21:18 | ==> no contact info there
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| 21:19 | <tfdl> my manager said he can not find the contact info.
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| 21:21 | ltsp are great people! thanks thanks ...
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| 21:22 | <alkisg> as for the issue nbd-server failed to connect i had this morning, can you still help with it?
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| 21:22 | <alkisg> tfdl: it's past midnight here, so I'll be heading to bed pretty soon...
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| 21:22 | <tfdl> ok
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| 21:22 | see you again other better time.
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| 21:22 | thanks for all the help.
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| 21:22 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 21:23 | <tfdl> thanks everyone too.
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| 21:53 | <digitalirony> sup
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| 21:55 | So, we have this issue with USB/thumb drives, where people can't umount/eject them. It says its not in the fstab(shouldn't it look in mtab?), and I googled a bit, and saw where this is actually a feature and not a bug?
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| 21:55 | But I didn'
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| 21:56 | But, I didn't see this actually documented anywhere, so not sure where the person in the mailing list got the information, or how true it is
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| 21:56 | <vagrantc> yeah, basically the drives auto-unmount after 2 seconds of inactivity
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| 21:56 | <Hyperbyte> Why do you need to unmount or eject them?
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| 21:56 | <digitalirony> so
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| 21:56 | well, because our users think they do
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| 21:56 | and try to
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| 21:56 | <Hyperbyte> They don't.
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| 21:57 | Just close all documents opened from the stick, save all work, count to ten and unplug. :P
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| 21:57 | <vagrantc> it's a bad user-interface, admittedly
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| 21:57 | <digitalirony> So, I should just go around the university, and put up signs everywhere in big ass letters not to come bother us 500 times a day with that because it does it on its onw
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| 21:57 | <Hyperbyte> digitalirony, that's why mankind invented memos.
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| 21:57 | <vagrantc> it should just let people eject them
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| 21:57 | <digitalirony> Hyperbyte: the thing is, I have a brand new set of users every 2 months
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| 21:57 | <Hyperbyte> But yeah, I get your point about it not being user friendly. :P
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| 21:58 | <digitalirony> or the button should just ignore it
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| 21:58 | or something
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| 21:58 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 21:58 | <digitalirony> I mean I know nautilis != to ltsp
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| 21:58 | but still....
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| 21:58 | <vagrantc> or "ready for removal" or something
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| 21:58 | <Hyperbyte> digitalirony, worst part is that this whole "must safely eject first" business was introduced by Windows XP
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| 21:59 | Has been fixed since Windows 7, write cache on USB disks was reduced (or maybe even removed)
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| 21:59 | <digitalirony> Hyperbyte: I think its because the write cache though
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| 21:59 | <vagrantc> of course, it was made to work that way because people routinely didn't bother to unmount things and had problems there
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| 21:59 | <Hyperbyte> Maybe even since Vista....
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| 21:59 | But everyone is still convinced that they have to safely remove. =D
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| 21:59 | <digitalirony> they do....
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| 21:59 | I corrupt USB drives monthly because I forget to do that after a large file transfer
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| 22:00 | or I get in a hurry
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| 22:00 | etc
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| 22:00 | <vagrantc> not unmounting things has been a problem on gnu/linux systems for as long as i remember
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| 22:00 | <digitalirony> yeah]
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| 22:00 | its not just windows
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| 22:00 | <vagrantc> so it predates xp
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| 22:00 | <digitalirony> its just, how it works with buffers
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| 22:01 | <Hyperbyte> Aren't buffers disabled on USB disks?
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| 22:01 | <digitalirony> o.0
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| 22:01 | no
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| 22:01 | <Hyperbyte> I've never had problems as long as I don't eject when I'm not writing
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| 22:01 | Minus one 'not'
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| 22:01 | <digitalirony> they can't possibly write as fast as the bus
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| 22:01 | it has to buffer it
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| 22:01 | <Hyperbyte> Well no, there's a small buffer of course. But isn't buffer size reduced?
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| 22:01 | <digitalirony> im sure it can be
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| 22:02 | <Hyperbyte> I thought this wasn't an issue anymore on modern Ubuntu.
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| 22:02 | <digitalirony> but its a bad habit to not unmount...
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| 22:02 | cause there will be the one time you go and use something else
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| 22:07 | <Hyperbyte> Meh! :)
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