IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 May 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:43 | <gnunux> hi
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| 05:18 | <andygraybeal> happy monday!
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| 05:18 | <muppis> monday, atleast.
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| 05:31 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 05:55 | <Lynn> Hi, I've set up a fully working ltsp-system. Only when I put a cd or usb in the server, I get a pop-up on the client that he can't mount the cd or usb, that I'm not authorized. Has anyone an idea how to fix this ?
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| 05:58 | <Appiah> Dist and version?
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| 05:58 | <Lynn> edubuntu 10.04
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| 06:17 | <alkisg> Is the user in the cdrom group?
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| 06:19 | <andygraybeal> i know i dont' know that much but... does the fuse group have to do with this sort of thing also? no one could access the usb jump drives until they were in the fuse group on my system
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| 06:24 | <Lynn> I didn't try to add the user in the cdrom group
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| 06:24 | <alkisg> They are added by default, if you use the gnome tool for user creation (users-admin)
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| 06:26 | <Lynn> I work with an ldapserver
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| 06:26 | <alkisg> ok
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| 06:31 | grep Groups /etc/gnome-system-tools/user-profiles.conf
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| 06:31 | This will tell you the default groups for "desktop users" and "administrators"
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| 06:31 | You might want to configure your users with the same defaults.
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| 06:32 | <highvoltage> u/win 21
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| 06:32 | /win 21
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| 06:32 | bah!
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| 06:37 | <ogra_> you cant win !
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| 06:37 | <highvoltage> yeah window 21 wasn't even that exciting :(
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| 06:40 | <stgraber> guess you'll have to stay in #ltsp :)
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| 06:41 | <Lynn> my users have the same defaults now
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| 06:46 | <Lynn> is there anything else I need to do? Cause it's still not working
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| 06:48 | <andygraybeal> Lynn, logoff and log back in, but you probably know that
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| 06:56 | <Lynn> I did, but he still doesn't want to mount
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| 06:59 | <andygraybeal> i dunno :( someone here can help though
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| 08:42 | <majormatt> hellow
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| 08:42 | does anyone know on how to edit the user name requirments in Edubuntu?
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| 08:42 | we are wanting to use 4 characters instead of 5
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| 08:42 | <andygraybeal> i know you can do a force-badname at the command prompt.. i dont' know if that is helpful
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| 08:43 | it might not be exactly --force-badname .. but it's something like that
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| 08:43 | <majormatt> no a way to modify the config files to allow shorter usernames
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| 08:43 | <andygraybeal> wait for somenoe else, i don't know that much about the system
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| 08:44 | i'm just learning and trying to be helpful.. which is a bad combination :)
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| 08:44 | i know it is of no matter, why 4 characters for a username?
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| 08:45 | <majormatt> well we have LTSP on CentOS
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| 08:45 | and are moving them to Edbuntu version
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| 08:45 | because Ubuntu version supports newer hardware
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| 08:45 | and 64-bit
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| 08:46 | <andygraybeal> gotcha
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| 08:51 | <viks> how to map local disk with ltsp boot
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| 08:52 | <andygraybeal> viks, is this helpful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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| 08:53 | <viks> this i have already tried ....but no use when i use fdisk -l ...local hardisk is showing but i can't use it....it shud detect on boot on client side
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| 08:55 | <andygraybeal> have a look at this --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev ??
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| 09:00 | is that helpful at all viks?
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> viks: set: LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False
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| 09:25 | <andygraybeal> Gadi, to the rescue
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| 09:29 | <viks> andygraybeal : no for me
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| 09:29 | <andygraybeal> :(
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| 09:29 | still doesn't work?
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| 09:30 | <viks> yes
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| 09:30 | i want local d isk to be detect on boot
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> viks: you are using ltsp as a thin client,right? (not fat client)
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| 09:31 | <viks> yes,,,,but we want to use local disk as storage
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> right. and when you log in (with LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False set in lts.conf), you don't see the disk?
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| 09:32 | <viks> yes,,,,but i set localdev = tre
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> you don't need LOCALDEV = True
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| 09:32 | it is true by default
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| 09:32 | do you see other media?
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| 09:32 | like USB sticks?
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| 09:43 | <viks> no i can't ...
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| 09:43 | see when i do fdisk -l ....i can see the local hardisk as /dev/sda1
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| 09:43 | but that hardisk i want to mount auto in /media at boot time
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| 09:43 | on client side
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| 12:57 | <dlbass> Hello everyone!
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| 13:09 | <dlbass> Can anyone here assist me in setting up my dual network cards to work properly with LTSP. When I ran a test environment on VMWare it worked fine. But now that I have a real server, it is not liking the second card.
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| 13:12 | <andygraybeal> hi dlbass!!
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| 13:12 | <dlbass> greetings
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| 13:13 | <andygraybeal> pastie your /etc/network/interfaces file
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| 13:13 | <dlbass> ok one sec
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| 13:13 | auto lo
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| 13:14 | iface lo inet loopback
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| 13:14 | auto eth0
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| 13:14 | iface eth0 inet static
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| 13:14 | address 192.168.0.254
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| 13:14 | netmask 255.255.255.0
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| 13:14 | that's it. sorry for not being able to paste it,
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| 13:15 | eth1 is the card I want to connect to the internet with
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> What is your actual problem? Error messages etc?
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| 13:16 | <dlbass> alkisg, it just does not connect, IP stays 0.0.0.0
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| 13:16 | So I cannot go online.
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> What does not connect? The server to the internet? Or the client to the server?
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| 13:16 | OK. Try this:
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| 13:16 | sudo dhclient eth1
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| 13:16 | <dlbass> Server to internet, sorry
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| 13:17 | ok it is now doing that
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| 13:17 | repeating the same line over and over
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> Maybe you put the cables in the wrong NICs
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| 13:17 | Let it finish
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| 13:17 | If it fails, then try with: sudo dhclient eth0
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| 13:18 | <dlbass> DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval XX
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> Right, it's asking for an IP and noone gives it one
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| 13:18 | <dlbass> I suppose it just failed, no DHCP offers recieved
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| 13:18 | aah
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> OK, try with: sudo dhclient eth0
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| 13:19 | <dlbass> that one worked
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Then change your /etc/network/interfaces so that it says "eth1" instead of "eth0"
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| 13:19 | And reboot your server
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| 13:19 | I.e. eth0 == connected to the internet, eth1 == faces ltsp clients
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| 13:20 | Or switch the cables, whatever you prefer
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| 13:20 | <dlbass> Oh ok. I will do that
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| 13:20 | <dlbass> switching the cables would do nothing, they both run to the same switch, that isnt the problem is it?
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> That doesn't sound right
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| 13:20 | If they were on the same switch, then why didn't eth1 get an IP address?
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| 13:20 | And eth0 did?
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| 13:21 | <dlbass> That is what is puzzling me, I suppose the card may be bad
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> And also, yes, it's usually a problem to connect both cards to the same switch, unless you want to do "bonding"
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| 13:21 | <dlbass> What is bonding?
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> Advanced networking stuff, to "bond" several NICs into one, with only 1 IP etc
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| 13:24 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Trunking
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| 13:24 | So in other words, don't connect both of them to the same switch
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| 13:24 | <dlbass> Ah. we were planning on putting the server in the server room and letting it host to clients in a different part of the building. So we were going to let it feed out one port into the switch and let it get internet access from another port on the same switch. Is this not a good way to run LTSP?
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> Use only 1 nic in that case
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| 13:25 | The primary rule is: you can't have 2 dhcp servers in one subnet
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| 13:25 | So the way you plan it, you'll have the ltsp dhcp server and your "internet" dhcp server on the same switch
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| 13:26 | <dlbass> Yes pretty much
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> In that case, turn off one of those dhcp servers and keep only one
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| 13:26 | And also keep only one NIC
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| 13:27 | <dlbass> That sounds good. Is there a guide for making LTSP work with a Windows DHCP server?
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
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| 13:27 | <dlbass> oh you are fantastic
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> Just pasting wiki links :)
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| 13:28 | <dlbass> Sometimes it takes skill just to find them
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| 13:30 | But, before I leave you alone, vagrantc talked me through how to setup my server to work with LDM_AUTOLOGIN. I put together a guide using his methods, and as far as I can tell, there isnt one already out there. Is there someone that I can give this one to so it can get modified and put in the documentation?
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| 13:32 | here is a link to it https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1SBVIywwUid9ElFa1uOAGI1ILYrrxu_wNWwGIu1QnMNU
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> dlbass: the ubuntultsp wiki is a wiki
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| 13:36 | You just go there and write what you think would be useful to others
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| 13:36 | I wrote a dozen of pages there, other people here wrote other pages etc etc
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| 13:37 | So just go ahead and create a page for that
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| 13:37 | The LDM_AUTOLOGIN part isn't really important, it's in the lts.conf manpage
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| 13:37 | But the ssh keys part with no passwords, I don't think it's documented
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| 13:37 | <dlbass> oh ok, so I just need to sign up and then post it myself? Pretty simple.
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> So mention that in the page title
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| 13:38 | <dlbass> So
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| 13:38 | oops, hit wrong key
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| 13:38 | what I meant to type was, thanks for your help!
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| 13:38 | <alkisg> You're welcome. Do post the wiki link after you're done
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| 13:44 | Hmmm security wise, I don't think it's much safer than using LDM_PASSWORD in lts.conf
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| 13:45 | <dlbass> He said the point was that children cannot change their password
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> alkisg: well, if dlbass had a smart switch, it could configure different ports into logical networks
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> Ah isn't there a policy to prevent that?
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| 13:46 | <vagrantc> vlans, and such
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| 13:46 | but that requires a configurable switch
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| 13:47 | <dlbass> ours are configurable
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| 13:47 | my boss had mentioned setting up a vlan for it to live in
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| 13:47 | that stuff is over my head though'
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| 13:47 | <vagrantc> yes, in that case, it's basically a separate switch, just happens to be housed in the same case
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| 13:47 | <alkisg> OK, but a usb stick on an unmonitored thin client inside that vlan, would be all that's needed to access any user account later on...
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| 13:48 | Anyway, it's an interesting method nevertheless
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc> ssh keys can be restricted to a single ip address, whereas i don't think passwords can
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| 13:49 | i suppose there are ways to do it
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| 13:49 | <dlbass> Have you ever had your ubuntu tell you that it cannot update because of untrusted packages
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> but it is a fundamental compromise of ssh to have a shared key.
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> You probably put some ppa without inserting its key
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| 13:51 | ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d
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| 13:51 | sudo apt-key list
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| 13:51 | ...or use the update UI
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| 13:52 | <dlbass> the UI is what i'm using
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> I mean, to see which sources you have, that you don't have the keys for
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| 13:53 | System > settings > software sources, or something like that
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| 13:54 | <dlbass> there are three sources all showing "automatic key signing
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> Check the "other software" tab
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| 13:54 | <dlbass> I may just rebuild this machine, it drops to busybox during boot, but type exit and it will boot anyway
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> if you do an update at the exact wrong moment, sometimes you can end up with an out of sync mirror
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| 13:55 | apt-get update usually fixes that
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| 13:55 | <dlbass> ah! they were unchecked under other software!
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> Any source that you're using, must have a key in "Authentication" tab
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| 13:56 | If there's no key there, you'll have "untrusted packages"
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| 13:56 | <andygraybeal> vagrantc, i noticed your part of freegeek! very fun. i am going to my local freegeek in july :)
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> But also do try what vagrantc said, i.e. apt-get update
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| 13:56 | <andygraybeal> "local" is two hours away
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> andygraybeal: where's that?
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| 13:56 | <andygraybeal> columbus
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| 13:56 | i'm in athens
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| 13:56 | ohio
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> andygraybeal: visited that freegeek a few years back
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| 13:57 | <dlbass> im getting unable to resolve us.archive.ubuntu.com
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| 13:57 | <alkisg> Do you have internet access currently?
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| 13:58 | <dlbass> it does
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| 13:58 | <andygraybeal> vagrantc, :) my first time will be in july. they are having a lug meeting there. i'm bringing some machines that need cap jobs to donate. maybe they can bother to fixthem up and get rid of them again.. or not. it doesn't matter.
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| 14:02 | dlbass, sometimes i can't resolve that also ;(
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| 14:02 | i wait a bit and it's back
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| 14:03 | vlans are easy on hp switches with 'menu'
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| 14:04 | <dlbass> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LDM_AUTOLOGINwithSSH
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| 14:05 | <andygraybeal> dlbass, awesome :) i still havent' gotten my account/password for the wiki :(
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| 14:05 | i tried but it never came through i don't know what is wrong.
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| 14:05 | <dlbass> i jsut logged in with my launchpad account
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| 14:09 | Mine is not as fancy as it should be, but hopefully it will help someone like it did me. Thanks vagrantc!!
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| 14:11 | Can I download the new 11.04 iso and update from it somehow?
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| 14:12 | <dlbass> yay fixed it
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| 14:13 | I lied, I did not have internet access, I had to renew the DHCP lease again...
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| 14:22 | <dlbass> anyone here fooled with LTSp-Cluster? I have yet to figure out what it actually does.
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| 14:32 | <andygraybeal> dlbass, i want to :) but i got soo manything to do before i can get to that :)
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| 14:33 | its on my list thuogh!
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> dlbass: glad it worked for you
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| 14:36 | it was helpful to review my documentation of the process
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| 14:39 | <dlbass> vagrantc, now it is on the wiki!
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> dlbass: technically, all LDM uses ssh ... the key point is using *ssh keys*
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| 14:39 | might want to rename the page
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| 14:39 | <dlbass> ahhhhh nooooooooo!!! I wonder if it can be fixed?
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| 14:41 | I don't guess I can rename it
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| 14:41 | oh well
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> and the mkhomedir stuff isn't *necessary*
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| 14:41 | it's a separate issue
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| 14:41 | <dlbass> but It is time for me to go home. Cya later guys.
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| 15:09 | <zarrku_> When it gets to the ubuntu logon screen it says invalid card and reboots
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| 15:10 | I'm having a problem with when trying to boot a dumb terminal via ltsp in edubuntu. When it gets to the ubuntu logon screen it says invalid card and reboots, this is on a dell gx150
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> dumb terminal?
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| 15:28 | <zarrku_> sorry, thin client
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| 15:29 | we call them dumb terminals
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| 15:30 | They all worked fine with ltsp 4.2
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| 15:31 | of course, 4.2 is very different to 5+
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| 15:32 | I think its something to do with the video
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> what is it that says invalid card?
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| 16:15 | <zarrku_> the actual thin client on the ubuntu 10.10 boot screen
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| 16:17 | When booting a thin client, ubuntu begins to boot, it then says invalid card and reboots
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| 16:19 | <staffencasa> when we ran GX150's, we had similar issues until we setup specific xorg.conf files for them.
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| 16:20 | I would bet it's video as well.
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| 16:22 | <zarrku_> can someone help me with that
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| 16:22 | I believe it is video as well
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| 16:22 | <staffencasa> do you have agp cards or onboard?
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| 16:22 | <zarrku_> no agp cards, it is on board video
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| 16:23 | <staffencasa> looking...
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| 16:29 | zarrku_, I can't find a copy, but I know where I can get one, it will just take until tomorrow to do. I have to leave in 15 minutes and I have to reimage a computer to get it, which would take longer than I have
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| 16:30 | <zarrku_> hey I can wait
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| 16:30 | <staffencasa> k, do you want me to email you a copy?
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| 16:30 | <zarrku_> yes please
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| 16:31 | my email is zarrku@hotmail.com
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| 16:32 | <staffencasa> k, I'll try and get this to you sometime tomorrow morning (PDT)
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| 16:32 | <zarrku_> Thanks so much
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| 16:32 | <staffencasa> no prob
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| 16:33 | <zarrku_> I would go 11.04 edubuntu but the user profile editor crashes everytime
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