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Channel log from 17 February 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:26 | <vagrantc> well, ltspfs works reasonably well on lenny.
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| 00:27 | stgraber: i'm cool with tagging everything.
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| 00:27 | unless people start breaking things again :)
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| 00:33 | <johnny> uhmm. they invented these things called branches awhile you
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| 00:33 | awhile ago*
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| 00:33 | we might want to consider using them
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| 00:34 | thus.. 5.2.0 should be branched..
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| 00:34 | and then further breaking in trunk won't hurt it..
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| 01:15 | <vagrantc> it'd be great if people started developing features in their own branches, sure.
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| 01:16 | the main drawback with branches is that cherry-picking pretty much sucks with any VCS, and that's the main thing that would make that useful.
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| 01:16 | make it useful to essentially have multiple trunks...
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| 01:17 | and merging merges of merges of merges tends to look really stupid.
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| 01:18 | i don't think branching will really change that much.
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| 01:18 | hard enough convincing people to commit code sometimes :)
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| 01:18 | and on that note... i sleep.
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| 01:41 | <alkisg> ΚαλημÎρα
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| 02:37 | <zeltron> Hi. Trying to make ltsp-cluster work, but I've got a problem with loadbalancer : It doesn't want to start
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| 02:37 | I don't know where to look to try to find why and fix the problem
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| 02:39 | <Appiah> what does not start?
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| 02:39 | do you get a error message?
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| 02:39 | <zeltron> Appiah : /etc/init.d/ltsp-cluster-lbserver : fail
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| 02:40 | It fails since installation, and the package is signaled as "to be configured" when I aptitude update
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| 02:48 | I find nothing in syslog or entire /var/log/ dir
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| 03:06 | <Appiah> is your lbsconfig.xml configured?
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| 03:07 | <zeltron> Appiah : yes it is.
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| 03:12 | <Appiah> and there is absolutly nothing in /var/log/messages ?
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| 03:12 | tail it and run the initscript again
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| 03:19 | <zeltron> Appiah : nothing at all !
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| 03:21 | <Appiah> O_o
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| 03:21 | try starting lbserver without the init script
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| 03:22 | and see the error
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| 03:24 | <zeltron> Appiah : good idea !
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| 03:25 | Import error : no module named lbserver
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| 03:25 | <Appiah> python trying to import some module named lbserver ? :)
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| 03:26 | <zeltron> in /usr/sbin/ltsp-cluster-lbserver , line 5 : from lbserver import main
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| 03:42 | <Appiah> is this on karmic?
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| 03:46 | <zeltron> Appiah : No, jaunty
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| 03:47 | I find Karmic is not reliable enough, and I use stgraber's doc on ltsp-cluster's website
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| 03:49 | <Appiah> so you're using PPAs?
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| 03:49 | <zeltron> I'm not using openvz servers, though (vmware), and I use only two servers (one root with loadbalancer and ltsp-control-center and another : servapp1 )
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| 03:50 | <Appiah> Ye I did similar when I set up cluster
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| 03:50 | no openvz
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| 03:50 | <zeltron> Appiah : yes stgraber and ltsp-cluster-team sources
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| 06:00 | <kebax> ysterday I connected one of my Acer Ones through wire into ltsp
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| 06:01 | <kebax> then I selected network boot from bios boot selection
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| 06:01 | it did pixie alright, np
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| 06:02 | but when the ubuntu logo on black background appeared
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| 06:02 | it stopped there
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| 06:03 | I tried to find cause from /var/log/ of ltsp but no revelations there
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| 06:04 | <kebax> with another acer one the wire obayed just fine
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| 06:07 | maybe the acers are not the most ideal thin-clients =)
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| 07:09 | <zeltron> stgraber : I used your doc on lstp-cluster website, but ltsp-cluster-lbserver doesn't want to start
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| 07:10 | I find no trace of error in /var/log, but Appiah gave me the idea to launch it by hand instead of init.d script
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| 07:11 | I've got the following message :
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| 07:11 | <zeltron> import error : No module named lbserver
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| 07:11 | Does it mean something for you ?
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| 07:20 | <ldo> Hello, I' am studying ltsp with PXE Boot, and I didn`t find an answer for the ip-address handling, do pxe request an ip-address? Do the loading Linuximage request a new IP? Or get it passed from pxelinux?
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| 07:32 | <Appiah> ldo: The PXE asks for an IP
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| 07:33 | and when it goes over to the chroot I think it asks for a IP again...
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| 07:33 | you could always dump the dhcp info going and boot up a client and watch what happens
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| 07:34 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Terminal_Server_Project
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| 07:34 | <ldo> ok, thank you so it could happen that the ips will be different
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| 07:34 | <Appiah> "During this process the client makes a (new) DHCP request for the IP address of the LTSP server and the path to its chroot environment. "
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| 07:35 | well since its the same dhcp server
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| 07:35 | I doubt it .. but then again . I never actully watched thtat
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| 07:35 | that*
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| 07:35 | unless you change it , it will write a lease
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| 07:36 | and that lease wont expire during that short time
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| 07:50 | <ldo> thank you I will check dhcpdump for more information and will report here when ready
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| 08:23 | <mgariepy> morning all
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:18 | <grey-monkey> I updated my ltsp-server with 'apt-upgrade' and then ran 'sudo ltsp-update-image' and now my image will not login
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| 09:21 | <highvoltage> afternoon all!
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> grey-monkey: did you do an "ltsp-update-sshkeys" before the ltsp-update-image?
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| 09:28 | <grey-monkey> yes
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| 09:28 | I just figured out that it was only my test account that can't login
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| 09:28 | My other accounts and users can
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> stgraber: ping
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| 10:18 | updated ltspfs to create the directory in /media to be mode 700 instead of mode 750
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| 10:18 | pushed rev 139
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| 10:19 | when you re-roll the ltsp packages for 5.2, can you include ltspfs in that?
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| 10:51 | <sbalneav> argh.
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| 10:51 | not gonna work
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| 10:53 | Any devs here besides me?
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| 10:53 | wait.
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| 10:53 | it doesn't matter.
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| 10:53 | one sec.
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| 11:12 | <stgraber> sbalneav: pong
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| 11:14 | <stgraber> sbalneav: we'll release all three at the same time (discussed that with vagrant last night): LTSP 5.2, LDM 2.1, LTSPFS 0.6
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| 11:14 | <sbalneav> Still working on the patch
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| 11:14 | wait half-a-mo.
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| 11:15 | <stgraber> Seems like vagrant is ok with tagging everything, I'll be doing some tests this afternoon and wait for your changes.
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| 11:15 | going to grab some lunch now
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| 11:15 | see you at the Edubuntu meeting (we need you there to vote for mgariepy :))
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| 11:28 | <sbalneav> Yikes, some serious problems in lbmount :(
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| 11:50 | <sbalneav> is_mounted is essentially doing nothing.
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| 11:51 | Trying to fix the logic
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| 12:08 | <reynolds> Does anyone know how to tell what video driver is being used by a specific thin client?
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| 12:09 | <sbalneav> yes
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| 12:10 | Check the thin client's Xorg log
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| 12:11 | <kebax> where might that be?
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| 12:11 | <reynolds> where is that, if you dont mind me asking
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| 12:12 | <sbalneav> On the thin client itself, in the usual place. /var/log
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| 12:12 | You'll have to configure something like SCREEN_02=shell in order to be able to look at it.
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| 12:12 | <kebax> so run xterm locally and examine there?
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| 12:12 | <sbalneav> that too.
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| 12:15 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 12:16 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 12:18 | <sbalneav> ok, fixed logic errors in is_mounted in lbmount
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| 12:19 | pushed rev 140
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| 12:19 | we'll need to test this.
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| 12:22 | <Lns> greets all
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| 12:23 | <sbalneav> Hello lns
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> Hi Lns
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| 12:24 | <Lns> hey sbalneav, alkisg
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| 12:24 | how's everything today?
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| 12:33 | <Lns> that busy eh? ;)
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| 12:34 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Hows Lns today?
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| 12:34 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: I'm doing well thanks =) how's the spamcan?
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| 12:36 | <CAN-o-SPAM> spamcan is busy, but smiling
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| 12:40 | <sbalneav> Lns: eugh, too much work not enough me.
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| 12:40 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: =)
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| 12:41 | sbalneav: hehe =) I hear ya...if only people cloning was legal, eh? I could use a sbalneav in my office
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| 12:41 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: heard there was a statewide lan party ban in Cali ... sorry about your misfortune ;)
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| 12:41 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: haha! well this one is an underground LAN
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| 12:41 | complete with rave music
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| 12:41 | * CAN-o-SPAM contacts the governator | |
| 12:41 | <Lns> oh noes!
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| 12:42 | GET IN THE CHOPPA
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| 12:43 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh
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| 13:21 | <reynolds> dir
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> bin cdrom etc initrd.img.old lost+found messages opt root selinux sys usr vmlinuz.old
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| 13:22 | boot dev home lib media mnt proc sbin srv tmp var Xorg.0.log
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| 13:23 | <alincoln> hah
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> No command 'hah' found, did you mean:
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| 13:24 | Command 'huh' from package 'orville-write' (universe)
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| 13:24 | Command 'ha' from package 'ha' (universe)
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| 13:24 | <alincoln> sudo apt-get install ha
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> alincoln is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
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| 13:34 | <Kicer86> rm -fr /
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| 13:35 | btw i've done this once
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| 13:35 | 250GiB went.... ;)
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| 13:35 | simple mistype in bash script
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| 13:43 | <alincoln> alkisg: hah!
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> alincoln: I should have prompted for a password.. :D
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| 13:47 | <ldo> Appiah: I hope that I got it matched to dhcpdump
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| 13:48 | Step 1: pxeclient (dhcpdiscover, request and so on); Server (offer, ack) sends IP and Directory of pxelinux
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| 13:48 | Step2: pxelinux (dhcpdiscover, request and so on); Server(offer, ack) sends IP and Directory of linuximage
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| 13:48 | Step3: linuximage (dhcprequest); Server (ack) sends new IP
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| 13:48 | hope thats correct
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| 13:48 | <ldo> this way
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> ldo: pxelinux doesn't ask for an ip...
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| 13:50 | It reuses the pxe network stack
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| 13:51 | <ogra> alkisg, stgraber, i noticed something in the locales plugin, it seems to use an obsolete place for the default locales ... /etc/environment isnt used anymore, it should be /etc/default/locale since jaunty
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| 13:51 | <ldo> hmm could you please tell me why do I have 3 dhcprequests and 3 ack from server during boot to login?
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| 13:52 | <stgraber> ogra: oh, I thought both paths were handled by the plugin. I'll have a look
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| 13:52 | * ogra would have pushed a fix but i'm up to my ears in pre feature freeze stuff | |
| 13:52 | <ldo> one machine and one server
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| 13:52 | <ogra> stgraber, though thats not freeze critical, can go in as a bugfix :)
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| 13:55 | <ldo> the strange thing also ist that for the last dhcp request/ack there is no discover or offer just request and ack
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> ldo: can you post the vendor identifiers for each request?
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| 13:56 | PXEClient, Linux ipconfig, udhcp... whatever?
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| 13:57 | !pastebin
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| 13:57 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebin" :: try !pastebot
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> !pastebot
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| 13:58 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 14:03 | <ldo> please see here the dhcpdump : http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m6c7a0be8
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> ldo: is that an etherboot client?
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| 14:09 | Or a normal PXE one?
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| 14:09 | Ah nm it's the "if" in dhcpd.conf
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| 14:10 | <ldo> virtualbox network boot
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> ldo: the problem is in ipconfig
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| 14:11 | It has a lot of bugs, it loses packets etc
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| 14:11 | That's why it asks for an IP twice
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| 14:12 | <ldo> ah ok nothing wrong with this if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> Is that Debian Lenny? I've sent some patches to ipconfig to make it lose less packets, but I don't think they're in lenny
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| 14:12 | They should be in sid
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| 14:12 | <ldo> yes lenny
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> In Ubuntu/LTSP we replaced it with udhcpc, I'm not sure but I think now debian/ltsp uses it as well
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| 14:13 | udhcp is much better, it doesn't have those horrible bugs..
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| 14:13 | <ldo> ok for my info pxelinux reuses the pxe network stac
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> Yes, it doesn't have any network drivers etc so it reuses whatever the pxe stack offers
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| 14:14 | <ldo> I can take this in my documentation, thank you very much
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| 14:17 | hard to find out how the process works when it loses packets.
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> ldo: I've sent some traces to the klibc mailing list about it, if you really care about it I can search for the link...
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| 14:20 | ...or you could check if there are any ltsp backports for lenny, which would use udhcpc, if that's available
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| 14:22 | <ldo> alkisg: thank you that's not necessary, I will use sid for testing, and educational documentation, and your help showed me the right way
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> ldo: here's a bug that asks for one of the patches that I sent to be included - unfortunately they thought it was too big to accept it, and then we moved to udhcpc and I had no reason to split it to smaller patches
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| 14:22 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511959
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| 14:33 | <ldo> thanks
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| 14:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: is the latest release of Sabayon 2.29.5?
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| 14:39 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: release? Yes.
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| 14:39 | there's been changes to the git repo since then
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| 14:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: ok. I'll get from there :)
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: a git repo checkout, followed by "sh autogen.sh", followed by a make distcheck should produce a tarball
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| 14:47 | then you can just use 2.29.5's debian dir to build a package.
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| 14:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: ok thanks :)
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| 15:03 | <carbm1_> Is there a good howto on setting up LTSP in an enviroment where I'm already have a DHCP server and already booting other PXE options? The LTSP-Server needs to be on a different dedicated machine.. running Ubuntu 9.10. I've tried copying the /var/lib/tftpboot files to my PXE server but I don't know how to tell it to go to the ltsp-server. Suggestions?
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| 15:04 | <sbalneav> I believe dnsmasq's supposed to do dhcp relaying.
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| 15:05 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 15:10 | <carbm1_> doesn't look like dnsmasq is what I need. I'm already booting off of my DHCP server. What I need is a way to boot the LTSP Kernel from my current DHCP/PXE server and have it connect to the LTSP-SERVER.
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| 15:11 | <dro> carbm1_: what kind of issues are you having?
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| 15:12 | <carbm1_> I'm wanting to have a Ubuntu 9.10 LTSP setup. I already have another server doing DHCP and PXE Booting. I want to setup a ltsp-server that doesn't have dhcpd on it. That way I can continue to use my current dhcp server and just have the kernel point to the ltsp-server. Any suggestions?
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| 15:13 | <carbm1_> I already copied /var/lib/tftpboot to my dhcp/pxe server. But when I boot it has no way of knowing to go to my ltsp-server.
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| 15:14 | <dro> carbm1_: what kind of dhcp server are you using? windows, linux?
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| 15:14 | <carbm1_> Linux
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> carbm1_: just send a different next-server for the machines that you want to boot as ltsp clients
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| 15:14 | The ltsp server will answer the tftp request from there...
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| 15:14 | <dro> alkisg: you beat me to the punch lol
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| 15:14 | <carbm1_> I want to select it from a menu though.
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> :)
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| 15:14 | <dro> carbm1_: a menu with what options?
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> carbm1_: there are 2 kinds of menus. PXE menus and pxelinux menus. Which one do you want?
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| 15:15 | (probably the second...)
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| 15:15 | <carbm1_> I'm using PXELinux menus.
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> carbm1_: then pass nbdroot=serverip:2000 as a kernel parameter for those machines
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| 15:16 | <carbm1_> alkisg, thats what I needed!
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> carbm1_: you *could* do the same with proxydhcp as well, but it isn't really needed in your case :)
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| 15:20 | <carbm1_> alkisg, PERFECT! How did you know what to use as kernel parameter?
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> carbm1_: erm, I read the ltsp sources :D
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| 15:21 | <carbm1_> alkisg, I think reading the sources might be a little out of my league. The links from the Ubuntu LTSP documentation are broken so I came here.
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| 15:21 | <sbalneav> carbm1_: Which links?
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| 15:22 | <carbm1_> http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html
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| 15:22 | from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> carbm1_: here's *one* mention of it from the ubuntu site: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/SetNBDRootSwap
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| 15:23 | Not the best one, but it's there..
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| 15:23 | <sbalneav> Did someone just update the wiki page?
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| 15:24 | it's pointing to the correct documentation
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| 15:24 | ah, no it isn't
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| 15:24 | !docs
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| 15:24 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 15:26 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 15:26 | alkisg: You editing it?
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| 15:26 | Says you've got it locked :)
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> sbalneav: heh, I was just done with it 10 seconds ago
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> (removed the passwordless ssh link because it isn't for everyone...)
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> ok, I'll override :)
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| 15:29 | ok, I think it's fine
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| 15:29 | alkisg: check to make sure I didn't hoze your change
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| 15:30 | carbm1_: the upstream docs link on that page should be correct now.
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| 15:32 | <carbm1_> Thanks! I'll be doing some serious reading soon. I've got my client booting and it shows the splash screen but hangs right after it logs in.
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> carbm1_: see ~/.xsession-errors for that user
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| 15:35 | <carbm1_> alkisg, to me I'm looking at gibberish... http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m3fb7d14a
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> carbm1_: also, check /var/log/auth.log to verify that the password was accepted
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| 15:38 | <carbm1_> alkisg, I created a new user carbm1... user:technology already existed. Both do the same thing. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d2c03a30
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> carbm1_: ok. Try another thing: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 15:39 | <carbm1_> I also tried just an unkown user and it failed...
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> and put those 2 lines there:
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| 15:39 | [Default]
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| 15:39 | XSERVER=vesa
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| 15:40 | Then reboot the client and see if that works...
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| 15:40 | <sbalneav> Looks like our favorite villain compiz.
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> !compiz
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| 15:40 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "compiz" is not a valid command.
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> sbalneav: hmmm you didn't put your favorite saying there yet?
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| 15:43 | <sbalneav> !compiz-sbalneav
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| 15:43 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "compiz-sbalneav" is not a valid command.
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| 15:43 | <sbalneav> hmmm. what did I call it?
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| 15:43 | <carbm1_> alkisg, no go, I hear my login sound but no panels show up. It just sits there with the little round busy cursor.
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| 15:43 | <sbalneav> !topics
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| 15:43 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "topics" :: To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 15:44 | <sbalneav> factoids search --values
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| 15:44 | !factoids search --values
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| 15:44 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: 'ltsp', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'debian', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', 'troubleshooting', 'sbnet', 'paavum', 'bbq', 'guaraldo', 'nx', 'localdev', 'localdev', (2 more messages)
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| 15:44 | <sbalneav> rgg
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> !learn compiz as In the words of one of the most famous LTSP devs, "The greatest pleasure compiz can give you is: `sudo apt-get purge compiz`. And if it gets back on the next update, you just get the joy of doing it once more."
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| 15:44 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> !compiz
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| 15:44 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "compiz" :: In the words of one of the most famous LTSP devs, The greatest pleasure compiz can give you is: `sudo apt-get purge compiz`. And if it gets back on the next update, you just get the joy of doing it once more.
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> Good enough? :D
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| 15:45 | <sbalneav> !disable-compiz-the-sbalneav-way
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| 15:45 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "disable-compiz-the-sbalneav-way" :: apt-get purge compiz && remove-from-upstream-repo compiz && target-icbm-on-upstream-hosting-service compiz
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> carbm1_: hmmm and it just sits there for much time?
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| 15:45 | <carbm1_> alkisg, as far as I can tell... indefinitely.
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| 15:46 | alkisg, can't even drop to a shell.
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| 15:46 | <sbalneav> !disable-compiz
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| 15:46 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "disable-compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 15:46 | <carbm1_> alkisg, I get the pretty little login screen, I login, my cursor flashes, I hear my login sound, then it hangs. I can log into the server directly though.
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> And it's the same with XSERVER=vesa? weird..
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| 15:47 | <carbm1_> yes
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> OK, run ps -ef as another user on the server, to see what process might be hanged
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| 15:47 | *with sudo in front of it
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| 15:49 | <carbm1_> the returned commands are very long... should I just go ahead and restart my ltsp box and see if it works after a restart?
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| 15:49 | i'll try on another client too.
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| 15:49 | <alkisg> ok, try that as well
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| 15:56 | <stgraber> sbalneav: how's it going with that ltspfs issue ?
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| 16:16 | <atomic007za> can any1 point me in the direction of an desktop lockdown tool for my thin clients?
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> gconf-editor, sabayon, pessulus...
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| 16:18 | <atomic007za> thanks
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| 16:18 | <sbalneav> stgraber: it's done, I think
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| 16:18 | rev 140 should be good
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| 16:19 | lbmount now creates the /media/userid dir as mode 700, owner userid.root
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| 16:23 | <atomic007za> I have a room full of thin clients, the teacher has a powerfull PC, so I installed edubuntu locally, how whould she become part of the domain? would I use NIS?
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| 16:23 | or NFS
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| 16:23 | I want her to see the users home dir
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| 16:23 | not sure if this is the right place to ask, if not sorry
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| 16:29 | <sbalneav> atomic007za: Do you have a common authentication system, like ldap?
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| 16:30 | <atomic007za> not yet, have not done this before, so a bit lost
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| 16:31 | I would ideally like them to autenicate on my active dir
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| 16:31 | but I thought little steps first
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| 16:32 | <sbalneav> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ActiveDirectoryIntegration
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| 16:32 | Well, the problem is, you need common auth before you can (effectively) share home dirs.
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| 16:32 | otherwise, you'll end up with a share that you don't know who the owners are.
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| 16:33 | <atomic007za> ic
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| 16:34 | so the url doc will do it for my thin clients, by just looking quickly
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| 16:35 | must just see about the non thin client
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| 16:35 | thanks for the direction sbalneav
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| 16:36 | things have gotten alot easier in the linux would
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| 16:37 | <sbalneav> We try :)
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| 16:38 | Off for the day, back on tonight
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> Lns, the upower package is finally available, so fat clients can finally be build again. So whenever you want to give it a try, ping me :)
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| 16:41 | <highvoltage> sbalneav: hmm, that package fails to build in pbuilder
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| 16:45 | <stgraber> I'm going to make a new snapshot of ltspfs and ltsp (hoping LP works again) ...
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| 17:00 | <stgraber> ok, everything built just fine, that's a good start
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| 17:00 | now to test all that
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| 17:33 | <stgraber> first chroot built, no issue there. Upgrading my appserv, then doing some tests.
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| 17:45 | <stgraber> first tests went well, testing ltspfs now
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| 17:50 | sbalneav: plugging a usbdisk with ltspfs works as expected, though it doesn't get unmounted when unplugged ...
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| 17:55 | <stgraber> sbalneav: hmm, ok, not your fault, something is making the umount to fail ...
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| 17:56 | <highvoltage> stgraber: are you a revu admin?
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| 17:56 | <stgraber> nope
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| 18:00 | sbalneav: anything against adding -l to the umount in lbmount ? that'll solve my issue
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| 18:01 | I'm commiting a new version with the -l added for testing but will try to wait for your response before tagging
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| 18:02 | uploading a new ltspfs to PPA now, for testing
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| 18:19 | <stgraber> yeah ! the new ltspfs works :) Just have to test LTSP fat client and I'll be ready to release everything ;)
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| 18:20 | mgariepy: ^ that solves our ltspfs issue that we have at the office btw
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| 18:21 | <mgariepy> nice :)
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| 18:21 | i'm fixing a few bugs in edubuntu-menueditor, i'll ping you when i'm ready to upload ;)
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| 18:29 | <stgraber> building a fat client chroot now, if this one goes well too, I'll tag and release everything
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| 18:30 | I'd hope to have sbalneav around to validate that small ltspfs change but on the other hand I'm already past the feature freeze ...
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| 18:35 | <sbalneav> stgraber: Nope, all fine with me
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| 18:35 | <stgraber> great
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| 18:37 | I'm doing a quick nbd-proxy test. I'm killing the connection every 3s, if it works like that, it should be fine for production :)
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| 18:41 | <vagrantc> so, the recent change of /media/user to 700 breaks with the long discussions we had about how to do it right
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| 18:42 | i had proposed that years ago, but it was shot down ont the grounds that the user shouldn't be able to write to the / filesystem, and /media was usually not split into it's own partition.
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| 18:43 | for the record, i actually prefer 700 :)
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| 18:46 | <stgraber> vagrantc: yeah, it took a long time to convince sbalneav ;)
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> stgraber: ok, good. a discussion happened. :)
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| 18:46 | just wanted to make sure we didn't just go ahead and do something we decided against in the past :)
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| 18:47 | <stgraber> ok, ltspfs tested and works, nbd-proxy works too. Just need fat client to be tested and we should be good.
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| 18:47 | <vagrantc> stgraber: don't see a flurry of commits ... things working good, then ? :)
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| 18:50 | <stgraber> yep
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| 18:50 | just fixing 025-locales for Ubuntu. I should try to use Debian's at some point, though we don't have locale.gen in Ubuntu
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| 18:51 | <vagrantc> we could greatly simplify the lbmount code if we make it owned by the user...
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| 18:51 | most of what happens in lbmount could actually happen without root privs, then.
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| 18:52 | <stgraber> well, we need it to be setuid to use umount with fuse devices (AFAIK)
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| 18:52 | <vagrantc> sure, but it can be a lot simpler. i wrote the code once. :)
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| 18:53 | if i recall correctly, you don't have to deal with bind mounts at all then- just mount directly into /media/username/FOO as the user ... lbmount only had to handle the directory creation/removal and unmounting fail-safe.
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| 18:54 | not something i would propose testing on the night of the release ... i wonder iff that branch is still available somewhere...
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| 18:56 | yup, branch is still there: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/ltspfs-direct-mount/
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| 19:01 | <vagrantc> of course, doesn't apply cleanly... but not as disasterously as i would've expected.
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| 19:15 | <stgraber> and fat client works !!!
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| 19:16 | ok, all ready for release, let's do it ;)
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| 19:17 | mgariepy: what about 5s to open a gnome session ? ;) it's really fast after that one line change !
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| 19:17 | <mgariepy> wow, it way better then the 5-7 minutes hehe
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| 19:18 | <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/code/ltsp-trunk$ ../mkdst-trunk/mkdst tag
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| 19:18 | Created tag ltsp-5.2.
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| 19:18 | stgraber@castiana:~/data/code/ldm-trunk$ ../mkdst-trunk/mkdst tag
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| 19:18 | Created tag ldm-2.1.
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| 19:19 | stgraber@castiana:~/data/code/ltspfs-trunk$ ../mkdst-trunk/mkdst tag
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| 19:19 | Created tag ltspfs-0.6.
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| 19:19 | here we go, all tagged and pushed
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| 19:22 | <mgariepy> so tomorrow i'll have this on my thin client ?
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| 19:23 | hrm, fat client
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| 19:23 | <stgraber> pushing to archive now !
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| 19:23 | then pushing to my PPA for karmic
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| 19:23 | then releasing and uploading pastebinit, then doing anything but packaging ;)
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| 19:24 | <mgariepy> haha
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| 19:24 | what's about edubuntu-menueditor ? haha
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| 19:25 | <stgraber> uploaded the backports
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| 20:30 | <vagrantc> *sigh*
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| 20:30 | released!
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| 20:32 | * vagrantc would've wished for *.0 | |
| 20:32 | * vagrantc can be too pedantic | |
| 20:40 | <stgraber> ok, we'll make LTSP6 be 6.0.0 then ;)
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| 20:43 | <vagrantc> stgraber: uploading to ubuntu tonight?
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| 20:45 | <stgraber> already did
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| 20:45 | though it's probably stuck in the queue as I added a binary package (for ltsp on the livecd)
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| 20:46 | vagrantc: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/ltsp_5.2.orig.tar.gz
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| 20:46 | everything else should be in archive already
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> i see the .orig.tar.gz's in your ppa too .. those the same?
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| 20:48 | <stgraber> yep
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| 20:48 | my PPA has a backport for karmic
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| 20:49 | <vagrantc> same .orig.tar.gz ?
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| 20:50 | er, i already asked that :)
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| 20:50 | and you answered...
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| 20:51 | <stgraber> hehe :)
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| 20:51 | btw, any idea when is Debian's freeze ?
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| 20:57 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: saw the "just mount directly to the /media dir directly" thread
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| 20:58 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: sounds like y'all rehashed it out and the change won :)
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| 20:58 | <sbalneav> that was MY original idea too, and there was some reason, which escapes me, why we ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY COULD NOT DO THAT OMG YOU'RE KILLING BABIES!!!!!111111ONEonecos(0)
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| 20:58 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: yeah. stick it to em.
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| 20:58 | :)
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| 20:58 | <sbalneav> I'm wit you, I think we should just mount directly to the dir.
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| 20:58 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: the argument i recall had something to do with the user being able to fill up the / partition.
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| 20:59 | <sbalneav> right
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| 20:59 | that was it.
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| 20:59 | <vagrantc> which ... seems ... overly ... paranoid.
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| 20:59 | we can handle that by documenting the issue for the paranoid.
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| 21:00 | "if you're *one of those* sorts of administrators, consider making /media live on it's own partition."
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| 21:00 | <sbalneav> i concurr
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| 21:01 | <vagrantc> yay!
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| 21:01 | <sbalneav> I'm all for simple
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| 21:02 | heck, I liked the old "mount it in the users Desktop directory" method we used to use :)
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| 21:02 | didn't need ANY setuid stuff for that
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| 21:03 | Although, these days, I guess we should use pk-1 to create the directory.
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| 21:03 | that actually may be a nice, simple toy thing for me to learn policy-kit
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| 21:03 | all we need to do is create a dir with the right permissions/modes.
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| 21:04 | vagrantc: thoughts?
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: fancy newfandagled stuff!
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| 21:04 | * vagrantc grumps | |
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| 21:06 | <sbalneav> Preachin' to the choir, my friend, but it seems us old farts need to change :(
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| 21:13 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: feel like learning with me? Be good for both us old coots
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| 21:15 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: learning? hmmm....
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| 21:15 | i was hoping i could outsource that stuff.
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| 21:15 | <sbalneav> Outsource learning?
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| 21:15 | You'll be outsourcing drinking beer next.
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| 21:17 | * vagrantc fears to admit to heresey | |
| 21:17 | <stgraber> sbalneav: so what then ? you simply get drunk but don't have to drink yourself ? would be weird :)
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| 21:17 | <jcastro> did someone say drinking?
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| 21:17 | <stgraber> hey jcastro
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| 21:17 | <jcastro> hi stgraber!
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| 21:17 | <sbalneav> jcastro: Hey, new fellow gnomie :)
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| 21:17 | <jcastro> sbalneav, congrats on membership!
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| 21:18 | * sbalneav gives jcastro the secret gnome handshake | |
| 21:18 | <jcastro> stgraber, hey I finally found the pxe option in that nettop
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| 21:18 | * stgraber makes a note that to have jcastro appear on #ltsp, one has to speak about drinking ... :) | |
| 21:18 | <stgraber> jcastro: cool. Working great ?
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| 21:18 | <jcastro> stgraber, I've been meaning to hang out here more, but recently been experimenting with different clients, so don't have my autojoins all set up
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| 21:19 | stgraber, yeah it's awesome, I'm doing it over one of those 200mbit AC power adapter things, it works surprisingly awesome
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| 21:19 | * stgraber stays with good old, well working irssi :) | |
| 21:19 | <jcastro> I just need to finish off some localapps and I'm all set
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| 21:19 | <stgraber> jcastro: oh, so only one plug and you're done. That's great !
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| 21:19 | <sbalneav> yeah, yeah. He's all "Ooooh, lookit me, Workin' for Canonical, Gnome board member, no time for my old LTSP buds". Sniff. We miss you jcastro COME BACK SHANE!!!!
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| 21:20 | <jcastro> I need to see if localapped mplayer will do 1080p with VDPAU. But that's on my long list of other things
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| 21:20 | <stgraber> jcastro: that or run a fat client. it works since hmm ... ltsp 5.2 :)
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| 21:21 | <sbalneav> jcastro: you need to hop on the bus with me and jammcq out of detroit for the next bts :)
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| 21:21 | mgariepy: You're coming to the next one, right?
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| 21:22 | <jcastro> bts?
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| 21:22 | <sbalneav> By The Sea
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| 21:22 | <mgariepy> bts, sure i'll try
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| 21:22 | <stgraber> sbalneav: we should have highvoltage as well, assuming he'll be in Canada by then ;)
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| 21:22 | <sbalneav> the LTSP annual bacchanalia^H^H^H^Hhackfest
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| 21:22 | <jcastro> stgraber, I want to not do fat clients, I'm going to move all my noisy crap to one room and go thin client
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| 21:22 | <vagrantc> bug tracking system
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| 21:22 | <jcastro> sbalneav, yeah, there was some lame conflict last year. I am in for this year
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| 21:23 | <stgraber> jcastro: btw, are you at SCALE this week ?
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| 21:23 | <sbalneav> mgariepy: you better be. Then you can hear the "Trout Princess" story told again.
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| 21:23 | <jcastro> stgraber, no, jono will be stopping by though
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| 21:23 | <mgariepy> yeah, this story was so nice ;)
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| 21:23 | <sbalneav> Its an annual tradtion.
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| 21:24 | It's like "The Night Before Christmas" for LTSP hackers :)
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| 21:24 | <jcastro> sbalneav, after the last BTS I am sold on the region. I am having my honeymoon all up and down that coast
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| 21:24 | <stgraber> jcastro: ok, we are in charge of the Try it lab there, it's all LTSP thin clients on Karmic with Asus EEETop and LTSP-Cluster backend. Installed by mgariepy.
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| 21:24 | <sbalneav> Yeah, I hear you're joining the ranks ot the married soon.
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| 21:25 | Got 19 years to catch up to me. Get busy and spawn some progeny :)
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| 21:25 | <jcastro> stgraber, yeah I am a bit behind, like, I totally forgot how to sysadmin.
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| 21:25 | <jcastro> stgraber, the tftp change totally screwed me, so I thought it was my fault. So needless to say I was tearing all sorts of things apart that I should not have been
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| 21:26 | <stgraber> jcastro: hehe, then after breaking everything you saw the thread on -devel ? :)
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| 21:26 | <jcastro> right
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| 21:26 | here I am like reinstalling my dhcp server and breaking out my books
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| 21:26 | "oh crap, did I just purge that box?"
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| 21:27 | luckily for me alincoln is closeby on IRC and has helped me stumble around
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| 21:28 | <JeffATL2> approaching ltsp under gentoo; longtime gentoo user. is the basic ltsp idea that clients run *the same binaries* that the server has built? am wondering about having servers and clients of different arches (ii.e., AMD64 server, x86 clients)
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| 21:32 | <mgariepy> hey guy, see you tomorrow, i'll go dream about the trout princess
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| 21:46 | <JeffATL2> or perhaps more importantly, AMD64 server, atom client?
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| 21:53 | <sbalneav> JeffATL2: Well...
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| 21:53 | the chroot is build in a separate location, usually /opt/ltsp/<arch>
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| 21:53 | so you're not running the same / as the server
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| 21:54 | so it's quite possible to have AMD64 server and i386 clients
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| 21:54 | in fact, these days, it's pobably the most common way to run.
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| 22:17 | <JeffATL> sbalneav: ok, but it sounds as though you'd need to build that chroot environment on one of the clients
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| 22:17 | at least if they are distinctly incompatible
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| 22:19 | <sbalneav> yes, or in something like qemu
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| 22:19 | if it's AMD64 to i386, that can be done on the same server, though
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| 22:20 | but if you're trying to run, say, old mac clients on an intel box, that won't work
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| 22:20 | youd have to build the chroot on a mac
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| 22:27 | <sbalneav> you're welcome :)
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| 22:32 | nigth all
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