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Channel log from 11 June 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:04 | <joebaker> This is so odd. What is causing the Kubuntu login screen to appear on the thin client? I think I can recall where the display manager is specified.
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| 00:34 | <Stax> im fair clueless with this crap... but maybe the kubuntu stuff is in the ltsp image?
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| 00:34 | :S
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| 00:34 | <lns-eee> Stax, do you mean using KDE with ltsp?
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| 00:36 | <Stax> <joebaker> This is so odd. What is causing the Kubuntu login screen to appear on the thin client? I think I can recall where the display manager is specified.
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| 00:39 | <lns-eee> Stax, i'm not sure your situation or expertise so excuse me if i'm giving you non-information - with ltsp5, display manager 'ldm' is the default. You can theme it so for kubuntu there might be a kde-based theme for ldm.
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| 00:40 | Not sure though, never used kubuntu (just ubuntu+ltsp5)
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| 00:41 | <Stax> not my problem
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| 01:23 | <Briareos1> how can i (graphically) connect to the ltsp server from a running machine?
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| 01:24 | <sep> Briareos1, depends on how you define graphically, i would use SSH -X user@remotemachine
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| 01:25 | you might think of things like vnc
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| 01:25 | <Briareos1> just so i can see the screen exactly as the other clients do - but within a window - not within the whole machine, sep
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| 01:26 | <sep> in that case i might try xnest
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| 01:27 | <Briareos1> so with ssh -X its basically that i can at least open up all the programs - but not the desktop. is that correct?
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| 01:27 | <sep> yeah
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| 01:27 | but you can run xnest thru the ssh -X
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| 01:28 | <Briareos1> well that's cool as well - i need to only do some configuration like in evolution or so; still i will have a look at xnest for future purpose (maybe it's faster?)
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| 01:28 | cheers!
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| 01:43 | <johnny> xnest is not as fast as xephyr
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| 01:43 | from my understanding
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| 01:44 | xephyr supports the xdamage extension, which makes repaints alot faster
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| 01:44 | or rather.. you need less repaints
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| 01:45 | <rjune> I thought # of repaints was the same, you justhad to repaint only what changed
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| 01:46 | <johnny> yes
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| 01:46 | * johnny perhaps shouldn't stay up this late tonight | |
| 01:46 | <Briareos1> is it also possible to invoke a whole xclient from an xterm?
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| 01:47 | i mean if i go to a clean shell by CTRL+F2 and do the ssh -X ... there
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| 01:47 | <sep> but i never rember nor can spell xephyr, xnest is easy !
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| 01:47 | <Briareos1> :)
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| 01:48 | <sep> Briareos1, no.. since you are not in X then
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| 01:48 | just in a console
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| 01:48 | but you can start a new X on the next availabel tty (8?) and run it fullscreen there
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| 01:52 | <sep> eg you acn try something like X :1 -query <remote_host> and it should in theory go to vt8
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| 01:53 | this uses XDMCP tho not ldm and ssh X '
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| 01:59 | <Briareos1> sep hmm and how can i get a login screen to appear there?
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| 02:08 | <Briareos1> sorry - something killed my computer (maybe switching the X'ses)
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| 04:19 | <DawnLight> i don't understand what version of ltsp is in etch
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| 04:19 | <ogra> a very old one
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| 04:20 | <DawnLight> of that i'm sure but which one, exactly? what docs should i read?
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| 04:20 | <ogra> !debian
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| 04:20 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 04:20 | <ogra> see the latter link
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| 04:20 | or if you want it easier ...
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| 04:20 | !ubuntu
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| 04:20 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 04:20 | <ogra> see the latter link :)
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| 04:21 | <DawnLight> i don't ubuntu. thanks
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| 04:21 | <ogra> well, its where ltsp5 comes from ....
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| 04:22 | but debian does a good job porting it, you just have to live with testing/unstable or backports there
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| 04:23 | <DawnLight> there are no backports
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| 04:23 | <ogra> (if lenny comes out in time, debian might actually be ahead with ltsp5 versioning this time though)
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| 04:23 | they re described on the wikipage
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| 04:23 | *are
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| 04:23 | <DawnLight> "LTSP-5 is available in Debian Etch. If you want an easy installation, you should use the Debian packages to install LTSP."
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| 04:24 | this is from http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads#Ltsp_5_on_Debian
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| 04:24 | <ogra> read the howto ...
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| 04:24 | i wasnt aware vagrant put subpages in place (i dont read the debian wiki usually)
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| 04:25 | at the bottom it has a backports section
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| 04:31 | <alkisg> ogra, I'm going to modify ipconfig so that it prefers answers from ltsp servers (in DHCP SELECT phase), to make it easier to have multiple dhcp servers (now it falls to busybox if the "wrong" server answers first). Any ideas on how to check that the dhcp offer comes from an ltsp server? (in case it goes upstream or if anyone else finds my mod useful). I was thinking either to prefer a dhcp offer with a filename field, or use a custom dhcp option in d
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| 04:33 | <ogra> alkisg, if we had found a way yet we would have implemented it :) the way to use a second DHCP server (at least in ubuntu, not sure that got inot other distros yet) is to use a different port
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| 04:33 | <alkisg> ogra, different dhcp servers can coexist, and it would be easy for ipconfig to select one of them. A select phase is defined on the dhcp protocol.
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| 04:34 | <ogra> i'll happily merge it if you send me any patch/branch url that fixes that :)
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| 04:34 | <alkisg> I'll make it, I'm just asking for your opinion on what would be the best route for this
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| 04:34 | <ogra> currently the problem is that who andswers first will get the hit ...
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| 04:34 | *answers
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| 04:35 | <alkisg> I'll implement a wait in the selection phase, to receive more answers if the first is not "good enough"
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| 04:35 | <ogra> and usually the non netbooting dhcpd is less busy so you likely get the wrong one
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| 04:35 | <alkisg> E.g. by preferring the dhcp offers that have a filename option set, no changes in dhcpd.conf would need to be made, but the "other" server may also provide a filename
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| 04:35 | <ogra> make sure to not slow down the bootprocess though ... at least not by more than 1.2 secs
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| 04:35 | *1-2
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| 04:35 | <alkisg> No, some msec would be enough
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| 04:36 | <ogra> good
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| 04:36 | <alkisg> By using a magic number, we would be sure that we get the answer from the ltsp server, but dhcpd.conf would need to be modified.
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| 04:36 | Which of these 2 you think is best?
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| 04:36 | <ogra> i mean in the default setup with a single dhcpd indeed ... if it takes longer with corner case setups i cant help it :)
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| 04:36 | <alkisg> The default setup will have no delay
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| 04:36 | <ogra> modifying dhcpd.conf is bad
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> If it gets the "correct" answer first, it won't have to wait for another answer
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| 04:37 | <ogra> at least in ubuntu and debian its a conffile
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| 04:37 | so its hard to do automatically
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| 04:37 | if its avoidable to touch dhcpd.conf, please try to do so
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> So I modify ipconfig to wait a little in case it receives a filename option. If it receives it first, it doesn't wait at all.
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| 04:38 | a little = some msec, I'll look at the specs.
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| 04:38 | <ogra> let it be a second
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| 04:39 | i just dont want to get back to 2 minute boot times :)
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| 04:39 | <alkisg> No, it won't loop, just extend the select phase
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| 04:39 | Because now as soon as it gets any offer, it accepts it without waiting for a second one.
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| 04:40 | <ogra> right
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> OK. Thanks, I'll post in klibc list and here when I have it ready.
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| 04:40 | <ogra> cool !
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> Oh, we'll need to modify ltsp_nbd
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| 04:40 | e.g. ipconfig -f
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| 04:40 | <ogra> no problem on that
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> ok
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| 05:33 | <DawnLight> what would be a viable way to get sound working in debian ltsp in kde? the Sound wiki page makes me dizzy
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| 05:34 | <ogra> select arts over esd in kcontrol
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| 05:34 | there is a setting for that afaik
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| 05:35 | if you use the backports the low level sound stuff will already be in place and work, nothing to do there
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| 05:35 | <DawnLight> that might be useful
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| 05:36 | <ogra> (note that we dont use esd, but since kde 3 isnt maintained anymore nobody bothered to update that naming :) )
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| 05:54 | <ace_suares> y
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| 05:54 | hi ogra
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| 05:54 | wassup dude :-)
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| 05:54 | <ogra> busy times :)
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| 05:55 | <ace_suares> hmmm is 8.10 approaching already :-)
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| 05:55 | Hey ogra, I run now a virtual machine inside hardy 64-bit
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| 05:56 | and in the VM i have damn smaal linux runnding the win4lin stuff
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| 05:56 | <ogra> well, hardy isnt done yet ... busy with 8.04.1
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| 05:56 | <ace_suares> but how would I go about synchronizing the users on the vm with the host ?
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| 05:56 | i was thinking of ldap
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| 05:56 | <ogra> that a possibility
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| 05:56 | rsync teh respective files would be another
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| 05:56 | <ace_suares> are you or your people working on anything like a central userbase for ltsp hosts !?
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| 05:57 | <ogra> no
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| 05:57 | <ace_suares> is that planned or tought of in any way ?
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| 05:57 | <ogra> well, the implementations we spec usually avoid that kind of stuff to use the standard things used on the server
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| 05:57 | no
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| 05:57 | <ace_suares> kay thanks for the heads up.
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| 05:58 | i think syncing the files (but not all users hah)
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| 05:58 | would be a q&d hack that could get it all working
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| 05:58 | maybe I go with that for now
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| 05:58 | <ogra> ltsp should not depend on any additional user maintenance tool, it should always just use whatever you set up on the server
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| 05:58 | <ace_suares> not enough time and experience to make a whole ldap interface I am afraid.
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| 05:59 | yeah thats a good tought :-) but does schooltool not have mnore advanced usermgmt ?
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| 05:59 | <ogra> i.e. our localdev implementation will get its user info without depending on an ldap client in the chroot
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| 05:59 | etc etc
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| 05:59 | <ace_suares> I really miss a easy tool to put pupils in classes and move them to antoehr class next year and stuff like tht
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| 05:59 | <ogra> trying to keep the codebase as small and easy to grasp as possible
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| 06:00 | <ace_suares> hmmm didn't even think about that...
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| 06:00 | <ogra> in edubuntu i'll work on a new task driven menu system that i plan to integrate with a scheduling system later
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| 06:00 | that could be such a setup as you want at some point
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| 06:00 | <ace_suares> so I need to do something to the chroot to make ldap work for localdev ? :-?
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| 06:01 | you prolly will be finished earlier then I am :-)
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| 06:01 | <ogra> err. sorry, my typo
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| 06:01 | s/localdev/localapps/
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| 06:01 | <ace_suares> I got the holidays about 3 weeks but noit full time for this
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| 06:01 | <ogra> to much local stuff around nowadays
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| 06:01 | <ace_suares> oh yeah
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| 06:01 | too much to know and to learn too
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| 06:02 | for old people :-) like me.
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| 06:02 | thx catch you later ogra. Good luck with 8.04.1 :)
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| 06:02 | <ogra> thanks :)
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| 06:06 | <DawnLight> how can i make a script run on boot time in a specific client?
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| 06:07 | <Stax> ^ do want to know
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| 06:07 | use mac to load different
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| 06:07 | maybe
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| 06:08 | <DawnLight> this client has an acpi bug of some sort that turns off the cpu fan and i fix this using the proc filesystem
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| 06:08 | * DawnLight doesn't want his apartment burnt away | |
| 06:09 | <ogra> use the RCFILE_nn (where nn is 01 up to 09) lts.conf parameter to point to a script inside the chroot
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| 06:10 | <DawnLight> thanks
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| 06:11 | <ogra> note that paths are relative to the chroot
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| 06:11 | i.e. /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/myscript must become RCFILE_01=/usr/bin/myscript
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| 06:11 | <DawnLight> ogra: is there a recommended place?
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| 06:12 | <ogra> no, up to you, just make sure the path is right
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| 06:12 | <DawnLight> aight
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| 06:12 | or else it is barbecue
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| 06:12 | <ogra> since we dont use lts.conf in ltsp5 by default its all up to you there as soon as you use that file :)
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> ogra, is LDM_REMOTECMD still available? http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/customizing-thin-client.html
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| 06:37 | <ogra> i think it was renamed to LDM_SESSION
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> thanks, i'll try it
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| 06:42 | <ace_suares> ogra
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| 06:43 | ogra: me again
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| 06:43 | ogra: could you recommend anyone from the ubuntu community to come and speak on a seminar 17/18 setp 2008 in Curacao !?
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| 06:43 | ogra: preferably a gifted speaker :-)
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| 06:43 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:44 | <ogra> i'll forward that to one of the community managers, lets see
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| 06:44 | <ace_suares> ogra: okay please use ace@suares.an as my address
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| 06:44 | <ogra> will do
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| 06:45 | <ace_suares> ogra: it owuld be very interesting if this person had a 3+ yrs running education project
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| 06:45 | pgra: with ltsp and edubuntu and stuff. But a generalist can be good too :-)
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| 06:45 | thanks
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| 06:58 | <daduke> ace_suares: my man!
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| 07:19 | <Guaraldo> Hi, all...
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| 07:20 | Does anyone has used a terminal printer on kiosk mode of LTSP5?
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| 07:21 | I've tried the same way of normal LTSP5 and it didn't work...
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| 07:21 | <DawnLight> at one client's boot, i read, right after "DEFAULT DEPTH: 16", "0 value set" and then "0 true" and then it repeats a few times. this takes some 10 seconds. what is this?
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| 07:23 | <ogra> thats getltscfg parsing lts.conf
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| 07:26 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 07:26 | <ogra> jammcq, hey
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| 07:26 | <jammcq> hey ogra
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| 07:26 | you still coming to portland?
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| 07:27 | <Guaraldo> Hi, jammcq...
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| 07:27 | <jammcq> bom dia Guaraldo
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| 07:28 | <cyberorg> hi all we are having our weekly LTSP GUI Google SOC meeting in #opensuse-soc if anyone is interested, please join
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| 07:28 | <ogra> jammcq, lets see i have some issues with my passport now that your country requires me to register before entering it i have to solve these first
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| 07:28 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Did you ever used a terminal printer on kiosk mode of LTSP5?
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| 07:28 | <jammcq> ogra: that's easy tho. just a website you need to go to
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| 07:28 | Guaraldo: nope
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| 07:28 | <ogra> jammcq, yes, but my adress doesnt match the one in my passport i need an update
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| 07:28 | <jammcq> oooh
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| 07:29 | our passports don't have our addresses
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| 07:29 | <stgraber> ogra: ?? one more security thing with the US ? :)
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| 07:29 | <ogra> stgraber, yeah, lucky you that you only have to deal with canada
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| 07:29 | <stgraber> ours either (swiss)
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| 07:29 | <ogra> at least short term :)
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| 07:29 | <jammcq> ogra: that registration thing is just to avoid filling out the paper form when you are on the airplane
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| 07:29 | <stgraber> ogra: well, I need to deal with the Canada ambassy when we don't have one in Switzerland so not that much better actually :)
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| 07:30 | ogra: I have to choose between the one in Berlin and the one in Paris, both case it's lot of travel if they require an interview ...
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| 07:30 | <ogra> jammcq, oh, i didnt know, i thought they chack the data actually .... they should know by now that i'm not up for terror activities after i checked no several times on tehir forms :)
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| 07:30 | *check
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| 07:31 | stgraber, well, you want to settle there ... i only want to go there for some days :)
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| 07:31 | <jammcq> ogra: well, it's my understanding that's the reason. behind the scenes, ethere's probably other political/security crap going on
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| 07:31 | <stgraber> ogra: right :)
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| 07:31 | <DawnLight> did i do something wrong there? hmm... http://pastebin.ca/1044782
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| 07:32 | <ogra> DawnLight, [ltsp-simcha] will only work if you have nameservers set up and the resolver is set in the chroot etc etc ... use the MAC of the client rather than a name
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| 07:33 | SERVER defaults to the bootserver anyway, if you dont have a different one, drop it
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| 07:33 | are you sure you need X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH ? the X autodetection should determine that for you
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| 07:34 | <DawnLight> ogra: it gives me 60HZ by default
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| 07:34 | <ogra> X_COLOR_DEPTH defaults to 16 in the current packages, so that and the RCFILE_01 seem like the ony actual needed values
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| 07:34 | ah, k then the values make sense indeed
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| 07:35 | looks good apart from the MAC issue
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| 07:35 | (and SERVER)
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| 07:36 | <DawnLight> i've got the mac wrong, silly me. i have the mac with an ip in /etc/ethers in the server and the ip with the host name in /etc/hosts. it should work
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| 07:42 | <DawnLight> /etc/resolv.conf in the clients is 192.168.0.138 and not 192.168.0.1 like in the lts.conf. why is that?
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| 07:43 | <ogra> it gets the data from dhcp
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| 07:49 | <DawnLight> ogra: the line in dnsmasq, the dhcp server is "dhcp-option=6,192.168.0.1". it means that the dhcp clients should get this address as the dns server. wud is wrong?
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| 07:51 | <ogra> no idea, i never used dnsmasq myself :) in dhcp3 i use option domain-name-servers which gets handed over properly
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| 07:52 | btw there is no DNS option for lts.conf
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| 07:52 | which one are you referring to ?
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| 07:53 | <Guaraldo> ogra: How does terminal printers works on kiosk mode of LTSP5?
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| 07:54 | <DawnLight> ogra: i just guessed that it would be determined from the SERVER option. anyway, is there a way to check the data received from a dhcp server?
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| 07:58 | <stgraber> ogra: btw, those Transmetta based thin clients we had at our ReleaseParty worked perfectly with LTSP (Fujitsu thin clients IIRC)
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| 08:00 | http://www.stgraber.org/download/ltsp-zurich.png
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| 08:46 | <ByPasS> i just installed ubuntu 8.04 from wiki it says to set a nic with fixed ip for the thinclients BUT I have 3 nic cards (2 uplink - 1 for ltsp thin clients) anything special needs to be done in this case ?
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| 08:47 | and both uplinks are on fixed ips aswell :X
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| 08:48 | i gues i simply set it to the 192.168.0.1 for install and then change it over
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| 08:52 | <DawnLight> how does the client's /etc/resolv.conf get set?
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| 08:54 | <laga> DawnLight: on ubuntu? i dont think it gets set..
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| 08:56 | <ogra> ByPasS, if yu use the CD insall it will offer you a chooser for the two remaining cards that are not used as outbound device during install, just pick the right one
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| 09:01 | <Guaraldo> Does anyone know about kiosk mode of LTSP5???
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| 09:02 | I have a situation here about terminal printer on this issue...
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| 09:04 | <ogra> Guaraldo, ubuntu ?
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| 09:04 | <Guaraldo> 8.04
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| 09:04 | <ogra> well, you might need to install cups locally for that
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| 09:05 | you can also try to just loopback connect to the jetdirect port for the printer though
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| 09:05 | i.e. in the printer setup select a jetdirect interface and use localhost:9100 as the endpoint
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| 09:06 | <ByPasS> ogra : ive set the eth2 to 192.168.0.1 building the client atm and will switch after should work
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| 09:07 | <ogra> ByPasS, ah, so you did intsll ltsp after having a running sytem
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| 09:07 | with that IP set in advance it should all work fine that
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| 09:07 | *then
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| 09:09 | <ByPasS> i had a couple of errors when i did apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone tho
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| 09:09 | <ogra> oh ?
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| 09:09 | <ByPasS> nbd-server said it had nothing to do lol
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| 09:09 | <ogra> tell me about them
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| 09:09 | <ByPasS> but i guess thats not a big deal
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| 09:09 | <ogra> ah, thats fine
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| 09:09 | <ByPasS> and it didnt restarted inetd saying there was no service
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| 09:10 | <ogra> we dont use it as standalone service so it moans about not having a config file
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| 09:10 | <ByPasS> kk
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| 09:19 | <ByPasS> ogra : doesnt tftp needs to be set as a service tho ? fresh install and client cant tftp in
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| 09:20 | <ogra> should be run by inetd
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| 09:20 | <ByPasS> i think i found that by default
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| 09:20 | it was set to not run as a service
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| 09:22 | <toscalix> hi all, Ijust sent an e-mail to the disscuss mailing list with an idea we have related with massive extraction of information from PC using ltsp
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| 09:22 | <ByPasS> ogra : cat tftpd-hpa
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| 09:22 | #Defaults for tftpd-hpa
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| 09:22 | RUN_DAEMON="no"
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| 09:22 | OPTIONS="-l -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
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| 09:22 | root@linux:/etc/default#
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| 09:23 | <toscalix> we are thinking about using ltsp for doing this
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| 09:23 | and I would like to listen your suggestions
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| 09:23 | <ogra> ByPasS, thats the right setup
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| 09:24 | it should be in inetd.conf
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| 09:24 | <DawnLight> how ByPasS you might need to restart the inetd
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| 09:24 | s/how//
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| 09:24 | <ByPasS> thats what im thinking since the 3 lines got added to inetd
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| 09:24 | but during apt-get install it refused to start it saying there was no service or whatever
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| 09:24 | sec trying that
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| 09:25 | <DawnLight> how do i specify the grp:alt_shift_toggle thing?
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| 11:35 | <cliebow> anyone have update-rc.d cmd for dhcp3-server.
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| 11:53 | <sutula> vagrantc: I had serial mice working under Etch...upgraded to Lenny last night and somehow lost that functionality
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| 11:54 | vagrantc: I know I need to install joystick (and did so), but am not sure how that fits in, or even if it's still necessary on Lenny
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| 11:57 | * sutula wonders whether it's a simple as the Lenny kernel renumbering the ttySx devices | |
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| 12:29 | <cdealer> hey
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| 12:29 | need help to make pen-drive to work on client stations ... ltsp5 on ubuntu 7.10
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| 12:38 | <empiric> hi all i have boot my thin client i have a local hard disk attached to it how i can access tat disk from thin client
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| 12:38 | any idea
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| 12:38 | usb and cdrom works good with lts.conf entry LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/sdb1 for USB
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| 12:39 | what i do for local disk
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| 12:40 | <cdealer> well ... I took off the env['DISPLAY']='localhost :10.' from ltspfsmounter .. now Im updating image
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| 12:43 | <cdealer> solved X]
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| 12:58 | <empiric> helo
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| 12:58 | guys?
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| 13:12 | <yogesh> hi
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| 13:12 | does anyone can help me with K12LTSP
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| 13:13 | <laga> maybe. try asking a question
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| 13:13 | <yogesh> do u have idea about ntlm authentication or proxy authenticatio
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| 13:14 | <empiric> laga hi all i have boot my thin client i have a local hard disk attached to it how i can access tat disk from
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| 13:15 | <yogesh> my problem is i need to authenticate thin client user and i have to ways to do it either ntlm or proxy
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| 13:15 | and i havent been able to integrate both
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| 13:16 | does anyone have idea about proxy authentication in client
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| 13:17 | hey hello
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| 13:17 | <empiric> hey any one works on ltsp load balancing
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| 13:31 | <yogesh> anyone there
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| 13:31 | <laga> yogesh: patience is a virtue :)
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| 13:32 | also, your problem probably isn't exactly LTSP specific i guess
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| 13:32 | <yogesh> yep was just confused if everything is fine with irs or not
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| 13:33 | i am working on k12ltsp and need to have some authentication on the client
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| 13:34 | presently we have ntlm and proxy authentication so i was searching for a way to integrate them
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| 13:35 | laga : i hope i made clear what i am stuck at
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| 13:35 | <laga> i never used stuff like that so i can't help you. maybe someone else can. i don't why it should be different from a normal linux setup
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| 13:35 | yogesh: no, not to me at least.
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| 13:38 | <yogesh> ok i will try to explain in more detail, in case of LTSP, if the server has access to internet all the clients also have access to internet. But my problem is i have to give access to only authorized person on the client to access net. so need some authentication system. At present we use non ltsp system which uses ntlm and proxy authentication
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| 13:39 | laga : i hope u got it
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| 13:40 | <laga> yogesh: ah. that's not really specific to LTSP. in case of LTSP, all apps are running on the server so you just need to come up with a solution that works on the server and you should be good.
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| 13:42 | <yogesh> yeah but it is related to LTSP
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| 13:43 | ok my other problem is in need to stop unnecessary services running for client. like i dont need gdm and only need to load firfox
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| 13:44 | <laga> i didn't know gdm loaded on the clients..
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| 13:46 | <yogesh> even i am not sure but it shld run something to load all those menus and gnome environment
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| 13:46 | <vagrantc> yes, but that typically runs on the server
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| 13:46 | <laga> it's probably running LDM, but i'm not familiar with k12ltsp
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| 13:46 | <vagrantc> k12ltsp is ltsp 4.x
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| 13:47 | so not ldm
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| 13:47 | <yogesh> do u have idea how to stop tht
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| 13:47 | <vagrantc> with k12ltsp, you're going to need to log in somehow ...
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| 13:47 | so stopping your login manager doesn't seem like a good idea.
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| 13:48 | <cliebow> yogesh:wouldnt it be easier to log into squid?
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| 13:49 | unless you have like a trillion users..
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| 13:49 | <yogesh> log in directly into squid??
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| 13:49 | <cliebow> i think squid authentication keeps users without pw from accessing net..
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| 13:50 | <yogesh> yeah thts ok, but since the server has authenticated all the client are not asked for password
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> you can't authenticate by ip.
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| 13:51 | <yogesh> so one log in will be enough for all the client under a server
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| 13:51 | <cliebow> uhh..not sure..you might ping dtrask..i think hee does this
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| 13:52 | <yogesh> yeah squid server will be receiving the ip of the server all the time, since server is the getway
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| 13:52 | and never get the client ip
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| 13:52 | i hope ur getting me
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> yogesh: i think we totally get you. the issue is that the server has a single ip address, and you need to configure squid to authenticate based on something other than ip address.
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| 13:54 | <yogesh> even the mac authentication is not fisible
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| 13:55 | <laga> user agent?
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| 13:55 | <yogesh> coz its like cyber type environment so user keep changing and machines r fixed
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| 13:55 | have to authenticate user
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| 13:57 | i searched the net and couldnt find anything related to it
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| 13:58 | hope u all r getting me
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| 14:11 | <sutula> vagrantc: (from earlier) I had serial mice working under Etch...upgraded to Lenny last night and somehow lost that functionality
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| 14:12 | vagrantc: Is the joystick stuff still necessary in Lenny (the manual install)?
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| 14:12 | <laga> yogesh: maybe you can modify the user agent for each PC (assuming each PC has its own user)
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| 14:15 | <yogesh> laga: how is tht done
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| 14:15 | <laga> somewhere in firefox i guess ;)
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| 14:15 | but i dont know if squid can use that for auth
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| 14:17 | <yogesh> laga: do u mean there is some user agent in fire fox
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| 14:17 | <laga> yes
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| 14:19 | <yogesh> laga: how to access tht user agent
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| 14:20 | <laga> yogesh: the user agent is just a string used to identify the browser. it's not related to authentication or user management
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| 14:21 | <yogesh> oh
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> sutula: there was a bug report filed earlier today about that.
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| 14:28 | sutula: yes, joystick is needed to use serial support
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| 14:29 | <cdealer> hey ... how do I remove the pcspkr beep on clients?
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| 14:29 | <sutula> vagrantc: In the client chroot?
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> sutula: yes.
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| 14:29 | <elisboa> cdealer: you can unload it's module
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> sutula: in etch, it was installed pseudo-manually.
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| 14:30 | <sutula> vagrantc: I updated (recreated) the chroot a number of times, without installing joystick, and it continued to work, previously
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| 14:30 | <cliebow> any consensus what terminals to use if i can convince the school to get 40 terminals?
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| 14:30 | <cdealer> elisboa, I did rmmod pcspkr on server and put it on /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist too but still beeps
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| 14:31 | <elisboa> so, I don't know what cant it be :(
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> sutula: itais is the one who filed the bug report ... i haven't confirmed it myself.
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| 14:31 | <sutula> vagrantc: I'll take a look and maybe can help with it, since I need to get this working ASAP...maybe tonight
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> sutula: should just amount to installing joystick in the chroot.
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| 14:32 | sutula: and setting X_MOUSE_DEVICE *and* X_MOUSE_PROTO ... not sure on the exact variable names ...
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| 14:32 | the protocol must match the ones used by inputattach
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| 14:32 | <sutula> vagrantc: I'll start there, and also look at the bug...maybe I can help check it out
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| 14:33 | vagrantc: It isn't RC, is it? :)
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> sutula: definitely not RC.
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| 14:33 | * sutula needs to fix a RC bug | |
| 14:33 | <sutula> :)
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> since serial mice users != all mouse users
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| 14:37 | <warren> cdealer: on fedora I have to use "install pcspkr /bin/true" to truly blacklist it. Not sure why.
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| 14:39 | <cdealer> warren, this returns me "impossible to make stat in 'pcspkr': File or Folder does not exist
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| 14:41 | <warren> cdealer: (that goes into the modprobe.d file)
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| 14:44 | <cdealer> warren, Hmm =) thanks
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| 14:44 | <warren> I'm not sure why a blacklist line doens't work
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| 14:46 | <cdealer> warren, I made what you told, tomorrow I can tell if it works
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| 14:47 | <warren> don't blame me if it doesn't help
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| 14:47 | it works on Fedora
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| 14:52 | <ogra> it wont in ubuntu, unless you also remove it from the initramfs
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| 14:53 | <warren> oh
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| 14:53 | <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u && sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 14:53 | that should propagate the changes into your initramfs
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| 14:58 | <cdealer> ogra, thanks, will do it now.. I can stay with "install pcspkr /bin/true" before running that command ?
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| 14:59 | <ogra> in ubuntu you usually put in a line like: blacklist pcspkr
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| 14:59 | like the other lines in that file
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| 14:59 | <sutula> vagrantc: Another question...does Lenny currently use the update-image stuff? I didn't see it build the image during ltsp-build-client, but see it in /usr/sbin.
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> sutula: not by default. there's a commandline option for it... --squashfs-image i think
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| 15:00 | sutula: or you can do it all manually
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| 15:01 | <sutula> vagrantc: So it's unnecessary at this point?
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> sutula: well, necessary if you want those features
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| 15:01 | <sutula> s/unnecessary/unused by default/
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> sutula: yes, unused by default on debian
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| 15:02 | <sutula> vagrantc: thanks much
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| 19:56 | <nylt> Hi - I'm going to have a number of computers that I want to turn in to LTSP clients. However, I don't know what network cards they use, and i won't be able to find out. Is it possible to make a boot CD for the clients that can boot any nic?
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| 20:02 | <johnny> if they can pxe boot.. it'll just work
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| 20:02 | <nylt> i'm pretty sure they cant
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| 20:02 | <johnny> if they can't.. i think there is such a thing.. but i don't know of it
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| 20:02 | specifically
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| 20:07 | <RiXtEr1> nylt: there is a way...
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| 20:07 | if you can wait a moment i will try to help
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| 20:07 | gotta get the kiddo to bed
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| 20:10 | nylt: still around?
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| 20:16 | <RiXtEr1> nylt: http://rom-o-matic.net/
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| 20:17 | <nylt> RiXtEr1: ah - let me look at that
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| 20:19 | <rjune> RiXtEr1: sup
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| 20:21 | <RiXtEr1> my ailias rixter1?
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| 20:21 | rjune: how goes it
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| 20:21 | <rjune> sleepy
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| 20:21 | hopefully have my car fixed soon though
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| 20:28 | <RiXtEr> rjune: internet booted me sorry
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| 20:29 | did you get my messages about lumen
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| 20:29 | <rjune> no
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| 20:29 | what's up with lumen?
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| 20:30 | <RiXtEr> Our school moved over to lumen websis
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| 20:30 | <rjune> ah, how do you like it?
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| 20:30 | <RiXtEr> I've been talking to mike and bill on the phone some
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| 20:31 | So far so good, looks to have a bunch of potential when we get our stuff setup right.
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| 20:32 | Bill mentioned that he worked with you alot a while back.
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| 20:35 | I was wondering what I missed since its been a while since I've messed with LTSP, I set it up on my ubuntu box here (lts 8.04) and when I boot a client it only boots to a shell.
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| 20:35 | any way to get X up and running?
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| 20:36 | <rjune> install ubuntu-desktop
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| 20:36 | yeah, I worked for lumen for a while
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| 20:36 | they got out of LTSP
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| 20:36 | <RiXtEr> yeah
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| 20:37 | rjune: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop? or is there an ltsp specific command for it?
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| 20:37 | <rjune> Iif you're using ubuntu, then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should do it
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| 20:38 | <RiXtEr> ubuntu desktop is already the newest version.
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| 20:39 | <rjune> then you should have X installed and running
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| 20:43 | <RiXtEr> its not booting up with the client machines.
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| 20:55 | <RiXtEr> n e 1
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| 21:05 | <tempb0y> hi all
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| 21:05 | any of you install ltsp on dell poweredge servers?
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| 21:06 | i've got a 1950 i'm thinking about installing it on using ubuntu
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| 21:06 | quick install
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| 22:06 | <RiXtEr> so anyone around?
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| 22:17 | I keep getting 'Error: Connect: Connection refused' on my client then a list of mount errors and dropped to a shell, anyone able to help?
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| 22:18 | point me to a link? anything?
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| 22:37 | <johnny> RiXtEr, this is just really late for most folks
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| 22:43 | <RiXtEr> Yeah I know :)
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| 22:43 | I am rerunning the ltsp-build-client command
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| 22:44 | <johnny> connection refused. that's just too generic..
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| 22:44 | connection refused to what..
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| 22:44 | nbd?
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| 22:44 | make sure you have some nbd stuff in /etc/inetd.conf ..
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| 22:44 | <RiXtEr> I'd imagine
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| 22:44 | <johnny> that is.. if you're using ubuntu..
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| 22:45 | <RiXtEr> yeah I have stuff in there
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| 22:45 | relating to ltsp
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| 22:46 | I found a post that suggested doing this, We'll see what turns up/
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| 22:46 | .
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| 22:47 | <RiXtEr> I'd be willing to bet that my internet is pulling down corrupt files
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| 22:48 | I think I will call it a night and try again tomorrow night.
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| 22:48 | johnny: thanks for the suggestions
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| 23:37 | <generic> hi all
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| 23:37 | i am trying to enable sound on my thin clients
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| 23:37 | it give me xine can not detect audio-drivres
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| 23:37 | though when i boot from local disk sound is ok
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| 23:37 | ?
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| 23:43 | <johnny> does xine even work with pulse audio?
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| 23:43 | <Q-FUNK> probably not
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| 23:59 | <generic> jhony i have no idea
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| 23:59 | how i enable it on thin clients
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| 23:59 | in lts.conf i have
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| 23:59 | LOCALDEV = Y
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