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Channel log from 11 December 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:51 | <empiric> hi all
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| 00:51 | i have installed ubuntu +ltsp4.2
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| 00:51 | all is good
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| 00:51 | but i have diferent monitors
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| 00:51 | and lcds
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| 00:51 | some 17'' moniotrs are not working
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| 00:51 | any idea
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| 01:00 | <krins> hi all
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| 01:01 | my monitors wont get disply in ubuntu +ltsp4.2
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| 01:01 | any idea
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| 01:39 | <krins> helo
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| 01:39 | my screens are blinking
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| 01:39 | some of not all
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| 01:58 | one one mac hine i saw
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| 01:58 | XDMCP fatal server error maximum session declined maximum no of open session reached
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| 01:58 | any idea
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| 01:58 | i have changed vi /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf
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| 01:58 | and make XDMCP = true
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| 01:58 | here i found max session filed its disabled
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| 02:38 | <krins> Hello
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| 03:00 | <krins> hi
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| 03:01 | i have some screen resolution prbs
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| 03:13 | <wizzy> krins: There are some settings for max open xdmcp sessions in gdm.conf
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| 03:13 | screen resolution - change settings in lts.conf
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| 04:32 | <krins> wizzy
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| 04:33 | yes i have mate maxsession=50
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| 04:33 | ok
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| 04:33 | but strange things are going on
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| 04:33 | with some of my monitors
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| 04:36 | http://pastebin.ca/275228
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| 04:36 | see the link
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| 04:38 | i have some moniotrs working at X_MODE_0 = 800x600 X_MODE_1 = 1024x768
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| 04:38 | but now it wont works
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| 04:43 | <krins> yanu
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| 04:43 | u there
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| 04:43 | any one knows
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| 04:43 | am changing settings in lts.conf
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| 04:43 | but it seems nothing going to change
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| 04:43 | i am using ubuntu+ltsp4.2
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| 04:48 | gdm[3278]: (child 3349) gdm_slave_alrm_handler: ws081.ltsp:0 got ARLM signal, to ping display
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| 04:49 | what this error mean
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| 04:56 | helo
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| 05:11 | <krins> wizzy
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| 06:02 | <Envite> Hello all from Spain
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| 06:02 | Hola a todos desde España
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| 06:16 | <vykarian> morning =]
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| 06:22 | <cliebow> mornings 8~)
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| 07:08 | <krins> morning cliebow
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| 07:08 | hai i got some prbs in ubuntu+ltsp4.2
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| 07:08 | some of my old monitors wont get display
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| 07:09 | <vykarian> krins booting runlevel 3 or 5?
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| 07:09 | <krins> 5
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| 07:09 | i have FUITSU seimens and IBM monitors
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| 07:09 | seimens have 2 models one works fine and other wont
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| 07:09 | no idea whats going on
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| 07:10 | <Envite> frefcuencies?
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| 07:10 | <vykarian> i'm not expert in runlevel 5
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| 07:10 | <Envite> i had some issues with monitor frecuencies when started in ltsp
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| 07:10 | <vykarian> but setting resolution for 640x480 for start could help?
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| 07:11 | <Envite> use a multimode modeline
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| 07:35 | <ogra> vagrantc, !
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| 07:35 | morning
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| 07:35 | <vagrantc> ogra: indeed!
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| 07:35 | * vagrantc can't sleep | |
| 07:36 | <ogra> vagrantc, mdz forwarded me a mail from you where you complain about policy bugs in ltspfs ...
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| 07:36 | why dont you file them ?
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| 07:36 | <ogra> s/dont/didnt/
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| 07:36 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, i already talked to you about them, and to you there were a non-issue :P
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| 07:37 | <ogra> well, but if theyx hold up the package for debian adoption i'm fine to fix it ...
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| 07:37 | is it only the manpages or anything else ?
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| 07:37 | sbalneav has to change it btwe
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| 07:37 | <vagrantc> it's the editing of configuration files in the .postinst scripts
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| 07:38 | i think those were the main changes.
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| 07:38 | also, all of the bzr branches i could find were out of sync with the packages in ubuntu
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| 07:38 | <ogra> sbalneav has the most recent branch iirc
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| 07:38 | i only upload his package ....
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| 07:39 | <vagrantc> it was more out of date than yours
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| 07:39 | <ogra> hmm
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| 07:39 | <vagrantc> well, the packaging branch.
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| 07:39 | <ogra> i need to talk to him then
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| 07:39 | my branch only has patches for his package ... that shoul have been merged
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| 07:40 | <vagrantc> ogra: scotty hasn't been around much ... i should probably email.
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| 07:40 | <ogra> the postinst ? you mean /etc/modules ? that can even be dropped, it depends on fuse-utils anyway, which cares for the module loasding
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| 07:40 | <vagrantc> i get so used to irc with certain people sometimes...
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| 07:40 | <ogra> well, real bugs would also help ;)
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| 07:40 | <vagrantc> ogra: i made patches in my bzr branch, did you get the mail with mention of my bzr branch?
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| 07:41 | <ogra> i tent to forget about things you pointed out on irc :)
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| 07:41 | nope
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| 07:41 | *teand
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| 07:41 | argh
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| 07:41 | *t e n d
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| 07:41 | <vagrantc> i also cross-posted it to pkg-ltsp-devel
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| 07:41 | <ogra> hmm, when ?
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| 07:41 | <vagrantc> ogra: honestly, i have no idea where to report bugs.
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| 07:42 | Sat, 9 Dec 2006 17:24:26 -0800
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| 07:42 | <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+filebug
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| 07:42 | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+filebug
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| 07:42 | <vagrantc> like i'll remember that.
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| 07:43 | <ogra> the latest msg from you i have in pkg-ltsp-devel is from NOV 28th
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| 07:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: hrm. i got my own message ...
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| 07:43 | <ogra> oh207, wow, it just hit my inbox this second
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| 07:44 | you forgot to mention that users have to be in the fuse group
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| 07:44 | <vagrantc> yes, i realized that/
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| 07:44 | i'll probably discuss it a little bit in a debian-edu meeting later today
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| 07:45 | <ogra> the postinst can really go right away, we dont need it aqnymore (fuse-utils cares)
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| 07:45 | <vagrantc> ogra: sorry for any headaches i've caused you- i thought it was essentially a "wontfix" :P
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| 07:45 | <ogra> the manpage issue can be solved by moving the scripts to /usr/lib/ltspfs
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| 07:45 | well, the functionallity moved to fuse-utils :)
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| 07:45 | <vagrantc> manpage issues?
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| 07:45 | <ogra> there are four scripts without manpage
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| 07:46 | <vagrantc> ah, yes.
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| 07:46 | <ogra> (see the lintian override file)
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| 07:46 | i'm not sure whys they are in /usr/bin now ...
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| 07:46 | i'Äll clearify that with sbalneav
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| 07:46 | <vagrantc> it probably wouldn't be a *bad* thing to have manpages for them :P
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| 07:46 | and lintian warnings are non-fatal.
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| 07:47 | <ogra> not really, a user should never use them directly
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| 07:47 | <vagrantc> so i felt the best thing, from a debian perspective, is to be reminded to make some manpages
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| 07:47 | <ogra> so /usr/lib is the right place imho
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| 07:47 | <vagrantc> well, knowing how likely i am to skip documenting anything, i appreciate the warning.
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| 07:47 | /usr/share (if they're arch-independent)
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| 07:48 | <ogra> right, but they shouldnt have any manpages, they are executed by udev or by ltsp-client and not designed to be run by users ...
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| 07:48 | <vagrantc> there are *lots* of manpages for things not in *bin.
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| 07:49 | <ogra> right, /usr/share then
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| 07:50 | <vagrantc> at any rate, etch just froze today, so i'm not likely to want to make any major changes in the near future for debian. :)
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| 07:50 | <ogra> still, if scripts that act as a clutch between different other scripts are there, they shouldnt have manpages but good inline documentation ... all people that will ever read that docs are programmers :)
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| 07:50 | <vagrantc> not that ltspfs will make it into etch :(
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| 07:50 | hopefully i don't need any tweaks to ldm in etch to get localdev working ... i tested it months ago ...
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| 07:52 | <ogra> can you send me a list with the things in ltsp you want changed (like the optional socket instead of a static one) ?
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| 07:52 | (or file bugs)
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| 07:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: would you prefer a list of things i want changed, or patches? :)
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| 07:53 | <ogra> as you like
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| 07:53 | i have some time to code myself in the next weeks ;)
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| 07:53 | <vagrantc> they let you do coding?
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| 07:54 | * vagrantc almost forgot that | |
| 07:54 | * vagrantc hides | |
| 07:54 | <ogra> even though that will be sucked up by ltsp-manager and edubuntu-auth-server/client
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| 07:54 | sometimes they do ... between the travelling :P
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| 07:57 | (dunno if you read my blog :) )
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| 07:59 | <vagrantc> ogra: no
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| 07:59 | * vagrantc sees that fuse-utils in debian doesn't handle loading the fuse modules | |
| 08:00 | <ogra> it should .... through some weird udev tweaking which i rip out in ubuntu
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| 08:00 | (its incompatible with ubuntus udev as is)
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| 08:01 | <vagrantc> how does udev support it?
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| 08:01 | * vagrantc looks | |
| 08:02 | <ogra> udev loads the module if /dev/fuse is accessed
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| 08:02 | there is an udev rule
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| 08:02 | <vagrantc> i thought udev only worked when the module is loaded, not loading the module...
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| 08:02 | onlyrules i see are for setting the permissions
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| 08:02 | <ogra> and the postinst calls some udev reload mechanisms that arent used in ubuntu
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| 08:03 | <bricode> ogra: does the ltsp-build-client --workstation work as of yet? I'm starting to play around with it.
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| 08:04 | <ogra> bricode, not yet, ltsp in feisty is broken currently give it one or two days so the new dependencies are moved to main
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| 08:04 | i havent merged the fat-client tree yet
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| 08:05 | <bricode> ogra: groovy. I'm starting to play around with it. I got it to do some stuff last night. Boot up with kernel and such, but homedir stuff was broken, so no gdm login.
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| 08:05 | ogra: I'd like to help out with testing on this. I've got a setup that's working as a testbed.
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| 08:06 | <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-fat-clients has the --workstatiojn plugin
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| 08:07 | it will still need bits and pieces for different desktops (currently it only installs edubuntu-desktop and makes the nece4ssary dirs writeable
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| 08:08 | i'm planning something like --workstation ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu/edubuntu
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| 08:08 | so the option gets a switch for the preferred desktop
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| 08:10 | <bricode> ogra: I remember you talking about that down at Google.
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| 08:10 | ogra: I'm also interested in that because of xubuntu's use of xfce.
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| 08:10 | <ogra> ah, right, you are brian :)
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| 08:10 | hi there :)
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| 08:10 | <bricode> ogra: check :)
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| 08:11 | <ogra> i just got the remaining patches to edsadmin, so we're on our way with the ldap stuff ... (thats what's currently holding up the fat-client implementation)
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| 08:11 | <bricode> ogra: finally get settled back in Europe?
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| 08:11 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:12 | i had to do some east europe travelling though ...
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| 08:12 | <bricode> ogra: I've downloaded the feisty-fat-client stuff using bzr. What's the best way to start using it?
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| 08:13 | <ogra> bzr diff -r452..454 in the source tree should show you the code
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| 08:13 | <bricode> And I make those changes to my current set of files?
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| 08:13 | <ogra> apart from that, you should be able to just run apt-get build-dep ltsp; debiuld
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| 08:14 | right
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| 08:14 | you change anyth9oing in the code tree and run bzr --commit afterwards
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| 08:14 | <bricode> Okay. I'm still getting used to debian packages and ubuntu flow.
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| 08:14 | <ogra> of you want me to merge your stuff, copy it on a webserver (sftp and bzr push)
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| 08:15 | <bricode> Cool beans.
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| 08:15 | <ogra> theere is no need to know the poackaging to submit patches though
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| 08:15 | ;)
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| 08:15 | <bricode> I used Gentoo for too long. I think I'm broken :)
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| 08:15 | <ogra> heh, many of our developers come from gentoo ;)
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| 08:16 | * ogra will be afk for 1h or so ... bbl | |
| 08:16 | <bricode> Yeah, when you actually want to get something done it's worth switching :) It took me about 5 hours to get a Ubuntu box up and running.
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| 08:16 | <ogra> thats long :)
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| 08:16 | <bricode> Needed custom kernel and funk for 1TB RAID.
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| 08:16 | And different nvidia drivers.
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| 08:16 | <ogra> ah, ok, then its normal :)
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| 08:53 | <bricode> ogra: Is there a way to use a local repository so that I don't have to keep downloading everything with ltsp-build-client?
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| 09:18 | <vagrantc> bricode: --mirror file:///
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| 09:18 | <bricode> vagrantc: so I just feed the directory where I've downloaded all of the packages?
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| 09:18 | <vagrantc> bricode: though, even better, set up a local web server and do --mirror http://127.0.0.1/...
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| 09:18 | bricode: it's needs to be an apt repository...
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| 09:19 | <ogra> easiest is to just use a CD iso and mount it -o loop :)
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| 09:19 | <bricode> vagrantc: Where's the apt repository on Ubuntu? Can I use apt-cache or something?
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| 09:19 | * vagrantc agrees with ogra | |
| 09:20 | <bricode> bricode: digs up install cd
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| 09:20 | <ogra> it needs to bew a feisty CD for the feisty client by default ...
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| 09:20 | *be
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| 09:21 | <bricode> ogra: Okay. Need to move a few bits then :)
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| 09:21 | <ogra> :)
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| 09:22 | <bricode> I need a faster internet connection. 3 Mbit just doesn't cut it.
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| 09:22 | Hey Gadi.
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| 09:23 | ogra: Have a link to feisty cd?
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| 09:24 | <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-1/
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| 09:25 | <bricode> Excellent. I'm still finding my Ubuntu legs.
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> bricode: mornin - give me a sec - im hittin the ground runnin this mon morning
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| 09:32 | <bricode> Gadi: No worries. Have some news for you.
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| 10:00 | <bricode> Gadi: let me know if you got my other mesages.
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| 10:07 | <jammcq> howdie kids
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| 10:17 | <Gadi> bricode: nope
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| 10:17 | mornin, jammcq
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| 10:17 | <bricode> Humm. Weird.
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| 10:17 | <Gadi> you may need to identify with Nickserv
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| 10:28 | <bricode> Haven't used irc in like 8 years.
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| 10:28 | <efra> Hi everybody
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| 10:45 | <vykarian> hey
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 11:17 | <efra> morning sbalneav
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: YOU!
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| 11:28 | * vagrantc smiles | |
| 11:29 | <sbalneav> Me?!?!
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| 11:29 | Hey!
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| 11:29 | Quick question:
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: we's got some ltspfs talking to do :P
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| 11:29 | <sbalneav> Sure.
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> we missed it for etch, but might be able to get it into debian-edu/etch.
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| 11:29 | <sbalneav> I'm using xdmcp for login, and users just shut off their boxes at the login prompt.
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| 11:30 | <vagrantc> ok...
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| 11:30 | <sbalneav> leaving a hung nbd-server. And a file in /tmp
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| 11:30 | <vagrantc> yeah...
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| 11:30 | <sbalneav> any way to have these time out after a while? Or the 2 am pkill cronjob's the way to go? :)
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> well, you can set a timeout on the nbd-server ... but it might yank your terminal's swap out from under you... so that's no good.
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| 11:32 | i was thinking you could basically write a little nbd-ping on the terminal that just does a read from a random segment of the nbd device now and again, and then you set the nbd-server timeout to something higher than that ...
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| 11:32 | <sbalneav> Meh.
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> the ideal way is to get nbd smart enough to implement the pinging stuff itself.
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| 11:32 | <sbalneav> cron's easy :)
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| 11:33 | yeah. For later.
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| 11:33 | So, what can I help you with ltspfs wise?
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> i bet i could write a little nbd-pinging thing in a matter of minutes...
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| 11:33 | sbalneav: well, none of the branches are in sync with the current packages in ubuntu.
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| 11:34 | sbalneav: and ogra wondered why a bunch of stuff was in sbin/bin directories ...
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> i forget what all else, off the top of my head ... been trying to get the packages compliant with debian policy.
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| 11:34 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, the "upstream" one SHOULD be in sync with the ubuntu one.
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| 11:35 | * vagrantc notes the use of SHOULD | |
| 11:35 | <sbalneav> If it's not, then ogra fixed something, and I missed a note from him.
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> i think the "static dev" stuff is missing from bzr ...
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| 11:35 | <sbalneav> Whatever's needed to get them ok, policy wise, let me know, and I'll fix 'em
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> grab the .orig.tar.gz from ubuntu, and compare it to your upstream branch ...
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| 11:36 | <bricode> um, what's ltspfs used for?
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> ok, I'll check into that later today. Seems like I've got an NFS bug killing me :(
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> bricode: local device access from the LTSP server.
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| 11:37 | <bricode> vagrantc: like usb/cdrom/whatever serverside?
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> bricode: yeah. accessing the thin-client's devices from the server (where users usually log in).
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| 11:38 | <bricode> vagrantc: ah. Other way around. Check. So accessing thin client's usb/flash.
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> bricode: correct.
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| 11:39 | <bricode> vagrantc: Doesn't that create a whole lot of devices on the server since each thin client may have multiple devices?
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| 11:40 | <vagrantc> bricode: sort of, yes. though it's done in such a way that that shouldn't be much of a problem. though i guess it may require patches to some programs.
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| 11:41 | <bricode> Nifty.
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| 11:41 | <cliebow_> sbalneav:
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| 11:41 | <sbalneav> Hey cliebow
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| 11:41 | Ugh. Looks like my NFS problem's a kernel bug :(
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| 11:42 | Woe is me, I have to compile a kernel :(
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| 11:42 | <cliebow_> sbalneav: Hi: im getting "backend initialization failed setting up a script for instaling ldap.
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| 11:43 | am i missing a library? db4.2 and db4/2 util are there
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| 11:43 | <bricode> sbalneav: Winnipeg cold yet? :)
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| 11:43 | <sbalneav> Nah. only -3 c
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| 11:43 | cliebow_ what did you install? slapd?
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| 11:43 | <cliebow_> yeah
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| 11:44 | going by my working slapd on the lappie
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| 11:59 | <bricode> !vi
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| 11:59 | <ltspbot> bricode: Error: "vi" is not a valid command.
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| 12:03 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 12:04 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 12:58 | <str4nd> hmm
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| 12:58 | freenode is broken?
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| 12:58 | <weeswordy> Hi vagrantc - you got a minute to spare?
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| 12:59 | still struggling with ltsp5
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| 13:00 | I think it's a font problem I have now.
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> weeswordy: font problem, eh?
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| 13:13 | <weeswordy> Well, maybe...
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| 13:14 | Terminals now boot fine, up to the point where X starts - then the keyboard dies
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| 13:14 | I have seen a few error messages about fonts, and putting 2 and 2 together, I got 16
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| 13:15 | Have tried booting to a shell, and the keyboard then works, though the machine persistently asks for a login
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| 13:16 | interspersed with command prompts
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| 13:16 | Hope my explanation makes some sort of sense!
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> strange ...
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| 13:19 | i don't suspect it's really a font problem.
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| 13:20 | weeswordy: have you set SCREEN_NN where NN is less than 10 ?
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| 13:20 | weeswordy: in lts.conf
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| 13:21 | <vagrantc> weeswordy: and is this ubuntu or debian?
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| 13:21 | <weeswordy> Yes - I copied a working ltsp4-2 lts.conf into the directory
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| 13:21 | It's debian etch
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| 13:21 | <vagrantc> well, you musn't set SCREEN_NN where /etc/inittab is already spawning something.
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| 13:22 | i.e. SCREEN_01 through SCREEN_06, on a typical debian system.
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| 13:22 | (though maybe sometimes you can use SCREEN_04+
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| 13:22 | )
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| 13:23 | weeswordy: got it?
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| 13:27 | <weeswordy> Yep - I can use the keyboard, but it is just running as a PXE booted machine, with a local login
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| 13:27 | no login to the server, as normal with ltsp
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| 13:28 | Is the lts.conf file way different in this version, and if so, is there a guide of some sort?
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> there's one for ubuntu, which is pretty similar.
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| 13:28 | the main difference is that in many cases, you shouldn't even need an lts.conf
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| 13:29 | <weeswordy> sounds good,
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| 13:29 | is the plan to still connect to the server for all the user's requirements?
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> and that you have to watch out for conflicts with things in inittab
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| 13:30 | weeswordy: that's the default, but certainly not the only option.
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| 13:30 | <weeswordy> How do I tell it which server to connect to?
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| 13:30 | is it just an X command in inittab?
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> weeswordy: are you using ldm or xdmcp (gdm/kdm/xdm) ?
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| 13:31 | ldm is the default ...
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| 13:31 | <weeswordy> gdm
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> SCREEN_07=startx
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| 13:32 | <weeswordy> OK, just trying that now
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> as for specifying the server .... i don't remember off the top of my head. i don't think it's any different from ltsp 4.x
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| 13:33 | <weeswordy> It all makes a lot more sense now - you are my hero!! :)
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| 13:33 | <weeswordy> Thanks
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> i try :)
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| 13:33 | <weeswordy> Just while you are there - if I want some local apps, I just chroot to /opt/Ltsp
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| 13:33 | and install debs or compile packages
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc> chroot /opt/ltsp/ARCH apt-get install foo
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| 13:34 | weeswordy: where ARCH is likely i386
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| 13:34 | <weeswordy> Marvellous!
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> but having a mixed remote/local login requires a lot of tinkering
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| 13:35 | <weeswordy> Hopefully off to play with voip apps now - thanks again for your help.
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> at the moment, it's simplest to do everything locally, or everything remotely.
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| 13:36 | <weeswordy> Can I run a local app in a similar way to version 4.2 - I got that sort of working ok?
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> weeswordy: there's no built-in support for it- you will have to manually configure all the stuff required...
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| 13:38 | <weeswordy> Ah well, if I get it going, I will try to write up some notes about it for laughs!
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| 13:45 | <bricode> VoIP apps huh? Interesting.
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| 14:27 | <bricode> Does anyone know where the xorg.conf is pulled from if you're doing a fat client setup?
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| 14:28 | <sbalneav> Well, depending on HOW you're setting up the fat client, ether in the nfs choot, or it's auto-generated.
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| 14:29 | <bricode> sbalneav: Is there an easy way to tell? I've edited the chroot one, and it's not being pulled in.
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| 14:29 | sbalneav: So, where is it autogenerated?
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| 14:30 | <sbalneav> First of all, HOW are you setting up a fat client? That's not a standard part of LTSP.
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| 14:31 | <bricode> sbalneav: I know :)
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| 14:31 | sbalneav: I'm using Oliver's workstation plugin.
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| 14:31 | <sbalneav> So, you've done a full "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" under the chroot?
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| 14:32 | <bricode> sbalneav: Yes, the script does that for you. Except it uses Edubuntu instead of Ubuntu.
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| 14:32 | <sbalneav> Then it should be pulling it from $CHROOT/etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> autogenerates.
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| 14:33 | <sbalneav> In a full fat-client install?
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> it gets generated on each boot, most likely.
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| 14:33 | unless you configure it otherwise.
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| 14:34 | if there's no configuration in lts.conf telling a client to do anything else, it will autogenerate it.
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| 14:34 | <bricode> vagrantc: lts.conf on server or $CHROOT?
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> bricode: chroot
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| 14:35 | is there an lts.conf on the server (other than within the chroot) ?
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| 14:36 | <bricode> Nope.
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| 14:36 | I found it.
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| 14:36 | Is there documentation for lts.conf file?
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| 14:36 | Nevermind. There's an example.
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| 14:46 | <cliebow_> sbalneav: all that bothered was an extra space in slapd.conf
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| 14:48 | <bricode> vagrantc: Any hints on how to make it so the autogenerated xorg.conf doesn't stomp the one I want?
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> bricode: specify XF86CONFIG=/path/to/config-file
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| 14:49 | i think.
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| 14:50 | <bricode> Yep.
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| 14:50 | vagrantc: Just found it in the lts-parameters file.
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| 14:50 | <mymarrandy> dhcp server on 192.168.1.254 - ltsp server on 192.168.1.200 second NIC on 192.168.2.254 - ws/thinclients on 192.168.2.x - Question - how do i stop the thin-clients from getting an address from the 192.168.1.254 dhcp server ?
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> mymarrandy: put them on separate physical networks?
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| 14:51 | <mymarrandy> which, occasionally, they do and abort during the boot
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| 14:52 | can you explain further
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> mymarrandy: have one switch for 192.168.1.x network, and one switch for 192.168.2.x ...
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| 14:55 | mymarrandy: does that make sense?
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| 14:55 | <mymarrandy> how does that work ?
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| 14:55 | hmmm...could do with some explanation of how it fixes the issue
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> you have two network cards on your ltsp server? plug one of them into one switch, and the other into another switch.
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| 14:56 | the thin-clients are doing a broadcast to get an ip address, by physically separating them, there is no way they will get dhcp from the wrong dhcp server.
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| 14:57 | mymarrandy: that's assuming you are running a dhcp server on your ltsp server ...
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| 14:58 | <mymarrandy> yes, two, actually, that's what i have already
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> you have two separate servers both running dhcpd ? or you have two dhcpd's running on one server?
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| 14:59 | <mymarrandy> hmm..will need to check my setup.
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| 15:00 | <pscheie> in a server with 2 nics, what controls which interface the dhcpd listens to?
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| 15:00 | is it a setting in /etc/dhcpd.conf? I see no reference in there to a specific eth0 or eth1.
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| 15:00 | <mymarrandy> wait one
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> typically, the the subnet declaration controls it
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| 15:01 | <jammcq> huh?
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| 15:01 | <pscheie> Is it just determined by the network number, e.g. it hands out 192.168.0 addys on the 192.168.0.254 interface?
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> pscheie: basically, yes.
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| 15:02 | <jammcq> but, it will still receive requests on whatever interfaces are set on the command line
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> sure, but it will only respond to ones it's configured to respond to.
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| 15:02 | <pscheie> which command line?
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| 15:02 | <jammcq> when dhcpd starts, from the init script
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| 15:03 | and the options are usually set in a config file, the location of which depends on the distro
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| 15:05 | <mymarrandy> internet comes in - goes to a firewall that has a dhcp server - to a switch - one port goes to 192.168.1.254 2nd nic assigned to 192.168.2.254 to a second switch - to the WS
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| 15:06 | I guess I don't get what your saying
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| 15:06 | <pscheie> on fc5/k12ltsp, I don't see anything that specifically ties it to eth0, aside from it having addy 192.168.0.254
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> mymarrandy: and you're saying that you're getting dhcp responses from the firewall's dhcp server on thin-clients plugged into the second switch?
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| 15:08 | <mymarrandy> oh, mean having another nic on the firewall that has the 192.168.2.x interface and running the sever toi that ?
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> mymarrandy: that's not what i meant, no.
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| 15:09 | <mymarrandy> The DHCP/ARP broadcast from the WS hits the switch, it goes to 192.168.2.254 on the ltsp server, as port forwarding is on, it goes out to the second switch and then hits the firewall DHCP server that responds with an offer
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| 15:10 | <pscheie> The idea I'm pondering is having multiple nics such that each nic would handle a separate physical network but with just one dhcpd.conf
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> pscheie: that's easy.
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| 15:11 | mymarrandy: why are you forwarding DHCP ports?
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| 15:11 | <pscheie> and just assign a different scope to each nic
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| 15:11 | yes, it seems like it would be easy--just want to make sure I'm not missing something or oversimplifying
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| 15:12 | <mymarrandy> there are two interfaces in the ltsp server and packets are forwarded by default, otherwise wjen the WS came up, they would never get to the internet
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| 15:13 | it's not ports as such as the ARP broadcast as they WS don't have an IP yet
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> mymarrandy: port forwarding, or NAT ?
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| 15:13 | <mymarrandy> sorry, your right, NAT
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| 15:13 | bad terminology...my bad
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> i've never seen NAT get take over DHCP requests before.
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| 15:15 | <mymarrandy> aghh..my head hurts
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| 15:15 | <jammcq> dhcp uses ethernet broadcasts, that doesn't go THROUGH a router
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| 15:18 | <mymarrandy> I can fix it, by setting all my systems to static and turning off the firewall router so there is only one (the ltsp) dhcp server running, but...that's not a good fix for many people
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| 15:18 | Any ideas what i should be looking for ?
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| 15:19 | <jammcq> I don't think we understand your current config, because what you described already, about your dhcp going through NAT just isn't possible
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| 15:21 | * vagrantc agrees with jammcq | |
| 15:22 | <mymarrandy> it's going across the ltsp server interfaces from the 192.168.2.x (Workstations) to 192.168.1.254 (ltsp internal) and out through the second interface on 192.168.1.200 and reaching the dhcp server at 192.168.1.254
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| 15:23 | <jammcq> no it's not
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| 15:23 | it can't
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| 15:23 | <mymarrandy> typo - ignore that
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| 15:23 | <jammcq> dhcp doesn't do that
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> mymarrandy: does the dhcpd.conf have multiple subnet declarations?
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| 15:24 | <mymarrandy> it's going across the ltsp server interfaces from the 192.168.2.x (Workstations) to 192.168.2.254 (ltsp internal) and out through the (ltsp external) on 192.168.1.200 and reaching the dhcp server at 192.168.1.254
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| 15:24 | which one, ltsp or the firewall
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> ltsp server
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| 15:25 | <mymarrandy> No, they both have one - wasn't thinking clearly
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| 15:26 | usually i get the response from the ltsp dhcp server as it hits it first, but occasionally i see a reponse from the firewall server with an offer and then the WS aborts
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> mymarrandy: you sure there aren't any cables connecting the two switches directly?
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| 15:27 | <mymarrandy> No, they are separate, but your right, I will have to check again. Maybe I will have to start over.
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| 15:29 | if you mean the WS switch then no. It's a test system and the 2 WS connect to the switch that goes to the ltsp server internal port ie. 1 cable from the ltsp server to switch and 2 cables to the two servers
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> i tried. i give up. :P
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| 15:30 | <mymarrandy> they all sit next to each other, 3 cables in the switch, 2 to the WS and one to the internal ltsp server NIC
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| 15:32 | <bricode> Humm. That's irritating. They don't actually say to copy/edit the lts.conf in the /etc dir.
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| 15:33 | <mymarrandy> It puzzles me too - if I pull the external ltsp cable, the problem goes away. if I turn off the firewall dhcp, the problem goes away, if both DHCP servers are on, i see boot aborts and the logs show a response from the firewall DHCP so the ARP/broadcast requests are getting to the firewall DHCP server
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| 15:34 | and back obviously
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| 15:38 | <jammcq> mymarrandy: are the 2 switches connected together?
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| 15:47 | <mymarrandy> not directly. one sits between the ltsp server and the clients, the other sits between the firewall and the ltsp server
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| 15:48 | <mymarrandy> I don't believe the day has gone - I need to go and i'll do some more searching and testing - I need to get this boot relible/consistent
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| 16:01 | tks for the hints - regards
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| 18:26 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 18:28 | <mauricio> hey jimm
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| 18:29 | alguien es de la universidad nacional de colombia?
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| 18:30 | <jammcq> heh, no hable espaniol
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| 18:49 | <mauricio> im very happy becouse i can bypass all the proxy from my University
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| 18:53 | i have hacked 1 server from my university and 1 ISP and 1 simple server uuuyuuuuyyjjjujj
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