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Channel log from 24 October 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:17 | <mwright1> Hi Just wandering how
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| 03:18 | Sorry just wandering if ubuntu gutsy.. with ltsp kernel is this supported in the xen kernel as well
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| 03:18 | <mwright1> We are running a centos 5 xen server, and would like to install the ubuntu in a xen instance dom0 but also want full ltsp sound and local devices support
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| 05:20 | <multik> hi everyone
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| 05:21 | can someone please remind me .. if I make any changes to lts.conf file do I have to rebuild ltsp client?
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| 05:22 | all I did was to add xorg.conf file to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc folder and set path to lts.conf to point to that file.
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| 05:23 | <exodos> multik: are you using gutsy?
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| 05:23 | <multik> yes 7.10 on edubuntu
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| 05:24 | <exodos> if you want to keep it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc you have to rebuild everytime
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| 05:24 | but you can also plase lts.conf in tftp dir of ltsp
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| 05:24 | <multik> I don't care where it is as long as I wont have to rebuild ltsp client every single time.
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| 05:24 | I have copied lts.conf from it's default location to /tftpboot dir
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| 05:25 | damn, still no picture on LTSP client.
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| 05:26 | so 7.10 fixed nothing for AMD VGA chipset
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| 05:28 | <exodos> you have to place it in the subdir of /tftpboot where you have initram vmlinux and other stuff
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| 05:28 | <multik> you mean xorg.conf file?
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| 05:28 | <exodos> lts.conf
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| 05:28 | <multik> it is there
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| 05:28 | it's in ar/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 05:28 | var*
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| 05:29 | <exodos> looks ok
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| 05:29 | <multik> and xorg.conf is in opt ...
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| 05:29 | <exodos> but you have to rebuild the image if you added some files to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 05:29 | <multik> umm
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| 05:30 | <cliebow> ltsp-update-image
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| 05:30 | <multik> if I type ltsp-build-client it complains that I already have stuff in /i386 folder
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| 05:30 | update image, aaah
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| 05:31 | <multik> oh my, if you don't know these things, it's pretty complicated :) Thanks man
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| 05:31 | <cliebow> heh..if you watch the packets you will see it will e doenloaded from your tftp dir
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| 05:37 | <multik> watch the packets?
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| 05:48 | <cliebow> use ethereal to capture the packets and analyze them
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| 05:50 | <multik> ah, never done it before
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| 05:51 | <cliebow> it is called wireshark now...tremendously useful
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| 05:52 | <multik> interesting.
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| 05:52 | how can I authorize a workstation to connect to LTSP server?
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| 05:52 | <cliebow> sounds like you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 05:53 | <multik> you reckon?
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| 05:53 | do i have to do it every time I add a thin client?
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| 05:53 | <cliebow> no
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| 05:53 | <multik> once?
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| 05:53 | <cliebow> yes
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| 05:54 | <multik> ok, done, rebooting my thin client
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| 05:54 | I added new user to edubuntu server. Do I have to specify somewhere that this user can log in thru thin client?
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| 05:54 | <cliebow> remember this thing develops so fast no one but ogra/sbalneav can keep uip
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| 05:54 | i think not
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| 05:55 | <multik> "This workstation is not authorized to connect to this server!
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| 05:55 | ogra: you around mate?
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| 05:55 | <cliebow> wierd...yesterday sshkeys fixrd this
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| 05:56 | <multik> i'm just wondering how many ltsp thin client manufacturer use edubuntu? or is it the problem of *ubuntu or ltsp or what the h'''' is wrong.
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| 05:56 | I take debian, use their how-to on LTSP, connect my client and it works.
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| 05:56 | I wait for 1y for edubuntu or *ubuntu to fix their stuff and still nothing works.
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| 05:57 | <ogra> can you point me to the bugreports ?
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| 05:57 | * ogra doesnt have any that are open for a year | |
| 05:57 | <multik> ogra, hi, what do I have to do to authorize thin client on edubuntu
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| 05:58 | I reckon Q-Funk has talked to you about this client. But let's leave it for now.
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| 05:58 | <ogra> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 05:58 | <multik> did that already, nothing.
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| 05:58 | <ogra> every time anything below /opt changes you need to run ltsp-update-image
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| 05:58 | ltsp-update-sshkeys updates a file in the chroot so -update-image is needed afterwards
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| 05:59 | hardy will have gui tools that help you ...
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| 06:00 | multik, Q-Funk approached me during gutsy development about that client ... gutsy took 6 months to develop and he didnt talk to me at the start of gutsy ... thats not 1year
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| 06:01 | we invested a big load of time to make the LINUXBios stuff boot at all and to my knowledge that works fine now
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| 06:02 | <multik> it doesn't afaik
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| 06:02 | I'd like to promote and use edubuntu, but I can't get my clients to boot into it
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| 06:02 | <ogra> well. it does here and for sbalneav
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| 06:02 | <multik> so I'm here to learn from you
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| 06:02 | <cliebow> aqhah..
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| 06:03 | <cdealer> hi
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| 06:03 | <ogra> sadly i dont have any time to do big support stuff before the UDS
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| 06:03 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: why im getting workstation not authorized to login ? Im guessing that have anything to do with ssh but dont know hwo to figure out
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| 06:04 | <ogra> i know the LinuxBios stuff does the network boot just fine here, so how do you get the client booted if it doesnt work ?
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| 06:04 | (it took several weeks of debvelopment to make that work properly, it would be a shame if the network booting doesnt work for them)
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| 06:05 | cdealer, sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 06:05 | you dont have a matching key for the server IP in the client chroot ...
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| 06:05 | <multik> it boots now, I just need xorg.conf to see the GUI login prompt
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| 06:05 | <ogra> so the LinuxBios works, right ?
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| 06:06 | <multik> all I need to know is how to authorize thin client to log in to Edubuntu 7.10 gutsy
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| 06:06 | seems to, now.
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| 06:06 | <ogra> your xorg prob is not an ltsp prob ...
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| 06:06 | that thing is that the driver itself is broken on autodetection
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| 06:06 | <multik> yes i know
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| 06:06 | <ogra> and id ask you to contact the maintainer fo this driver for a fix ... which is ... uhm... Q-Funk
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| 06:07 | <multik> nope, it's AMD ;)
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| 06:07 | Q-Funk aint the manufacturer
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| 06:07 | <ogra> so dont blame ubuntu for breakage we cant influence
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| 06:07 | the fact that it works for you in debian is based on debian having 1year old packages in etch
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| 06:07 | <multik> I saw quite a few AMD packages being fetched with I did upgrade, I hoped that VGA issue would be solved as well
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| 06:07 | <ogra> but he's the maintainer
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| 06:08 | and your contact to the upstream developer (AMD in tis case)
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| 06:08 | <multik> ogra, how to authorize client to connect to the server=
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| 06:08 | sshkeys doesn't resolve it for me.
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| 06:08 | <ogra> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 06:08 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: Hmm I did only the ltsp-update-sshkeys... will do now the ltsp-update-image too =)
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| 06:08 | <ogra> you need to run both in that order
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| 06:09 | <multik> ok
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| 06:09 | thanks
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| 06:10 | <ogra> hardy wil make all that easier, promised
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| 06:10 | <multik> ogra can I have a word with you in private?
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| 06:11 | <ogra> sure, but not to long i have some deadlines to match this week and an awful amount of work ahead
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| 06:19 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: still doesnt work... "this workstation isn's authorized to connect to server"
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| 06:19 | <ogra> sshd is running ?
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| 06:20 | <cdealer> sure... im connected here through ssh O.o
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| 06:21 | <ogra> anything intresting in auth.log ?
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| 06:22 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: no.. only my connection that im using from here, nothing from ltsp...
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| 06:23 | [ogra]:: Im thinking about build the client again and reinstall the sshd
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| 06:24 | <ogra> no need for that
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| 06:24 | <cdealer> what you suggest?
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| 06:25 | <ogra> check /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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| 06:25 | it should contain a line for your IP
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| 06:25 | (server IP that is)
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| 06:26 | <cdealer> removing this file wont help ?
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| 06:26 | ssh_know_hosts: ltsp-server ssh-dss AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBAOSuXeQS (...)
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| 06:28 | <ogra> ltsp-update-sshkeys will recreate it
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| 06:28 | no ip or anything ? only the hostname ?
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| 06:29 | (thats wrong ... there shold be a line for the IP as well)
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| 06:30 | <cdealer> there are 3 blocks like this
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| 06:30 | 200.xxx.31.55 ssh-dss AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBAOSuXeQSlEIUAdRafuR5h0ggEts9q0B8iAx6GvTtHA8FITtmWrqoPlnzcPDC+mu91LzRFcwSCHeZu+BFwZ+
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| 06:31 | [ogra]:: but this is strange, because the box have to Nic one to the LAN and other directly to the WAN...
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| 06:31 | <ogra> one needs to match the IP the client is connected to
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| 06:32 | do you have such an entry ?
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| 06:32 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: just change to the server lan ip will do?
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| 06:32 | <ogra> no
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| 06:32 | <cdealer> I will remove this file...
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| 06:32 | O.o
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| 06:32 | <ogra> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys --export ./ssh.test
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| 06:33 | check if ssh.test has a line for that IP
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| 06:33 | <cdealer> now there is
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| 06:33 | <ogra> (removing the file wont help you if the server has no key for the IP)
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| 06:34 | <cdealer> this ssh.test has the server lan ip
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| 06:34 | <ogra> and if you run it without --export it doesnt update the file in the chroot to look the same ?
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| 06:34 | (--export is just redirecting what otherwise would end up in the chroot)
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| 06:34 | <cdealer> yeah
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| 06:35 | <ogra> thats a bug ...
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| 06:35 | <cdealer> but I did before like you said... ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image... I will do know again
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| 06:35 | the chroot file isnt updated...
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| 06:35 | <ogra> hmm
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| 06:36 | copy ./ssh.test over to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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| 06:36 | then run sudo ltsp-update-image ....
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| 06:36 | check if it works ...
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| 06:36 | then file a bug please :)
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| 06:36 | <cdealer> okay
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| 06:43 | [ogra]:: now is working fine =) thanks dude =D
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| 06:44 | <ogra> sorry for the bug though ...
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| 06:44 | i wonder whats wrong
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| 06:46 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: is the first time this happen here...
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| 08:08 | <cliebow__> ogra:fwiw..just playing with netvista a mite...standard kernel loads..then the machine shuts down...8~)
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| 08:08 | <ogra> disable splash and quiet :)
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| 08:09 | it should throw out any kindof error
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| 08:10 | <cliebow__> will do
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| 08:11 | this is loading nbi.img
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:15 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:15 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:15 | <sbalneav> Hey hey!
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| 08:15 | <Blinny> j0j0!
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| 08:18 | <exodos> sbalneav: mornin'
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| 08:18 | <cliebow__> sbalneav:!!
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| 08:19 | turning off splash with nbi.img?
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| 08:20 | <exodos> sbalneav: I was going through ldm2 source code (I need to debug some things) and I couldn't find place where ldminfo.server is initialized. Can you point me to correct place?
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| 08:21 | <Guaraldo> !s
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| 08:21 | <ltspbot> Guaraldo: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:23 | <cliebow__> filename "/ltsp/i386/vmlinux.netvista";..if that is a link shouldnt that download?
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| 08:24 | <cliebow__> filename "/ltsp/i386/vmlinux.netvista";..if that is a link shouldnt that download?
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| 08:24 | i get file not founfd
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| 08:27 | <cliebow__> hmmm tftp appears to not follow symbolic links
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| 08:28 | <ogra> it does, as long as they are relative to the root
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| 08:29 | you cant link to files outside the tftp root though
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| 08:32 | <cliebow__> hmm.this client seems to require the 4.1 filesystem in same directory as kernel
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| 08:36 | <jammcq> gooood morning
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| 08:37 | <prpplague> jammcq: greetings earthling
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| 08:37 | <jammcq> hey prpplague
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| 08:38 | <prpplague> jammcq: whats cookin?
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| 08:47 | <Blinny> Interesting.
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| 08:52 | <cliebow__> bbiab
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| 08:53 | jamster!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:54 | <rjune> cliebow__: !
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| 08:58 | <multik> my god, I'd like to scream and shout ... I got my thin client to work with Edubuntu!!!!! YUHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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| 08:59 | <sonjag> Good morning... anyone out there know of issues with running NFS exports with LTSP? I'm trying to get 2 edubuntu servers to share home folders for users, and it crashes when the home folders are accessed.
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| 08:59 | multik: congratulations :)
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> sonjag: Did you install the package "nfs-client" on the client, and "nfs-kernel-server" on the server?
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| 09:01 | <jammcq> "crashes" in what way?
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| 09:01 | kernel panic?
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq!
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| 09:02 | <jammcq> terminal crash?
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| 09:02 | server crash?
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| 09:02 | Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:02 | cliebow__: hey
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| 09:02 | <sonjag> jammcq: terminal crashes... or just might be hung for a *really* long time. On reboot, user can log back in but if they access their home folder, gone again.
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| 09:03 | <jammcq> so it just hangs
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| 09:03 | no errors?
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| 09:04 | <sonjag> jammcq: on the server's syslog: Oct 24 08:59:26 crick gconfd (12vfick-13115): Failed to get lock for daemon, exi
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| 09:04 | ting: Failed to lock '/tmp/gconfd-12vfick/lock/ior': probably another process ha
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| 09:04 | s the lock, or your operating system has NFS file locking misconfigured (Resourc
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| 09:04 | e temporarily unavailable)
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 09:05 | maybe you need lockd running
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| 09:05 | it's been a while since I messed with nfs and file locking
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> Have you installed the package "nfs-client" on the client.
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| 09:05 | <ogra> why would he need it on the client ?
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 09:05 | <sonjag> sbalneav: clients are ltsp
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| 09:05 | * jammcq wonders too | |
| 09:06 | <sbalneav> because "nfs-client" package includes libs to do proper locking.
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| 09:06 | <ogra> is that gutsy or feisty ?
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| 09:06 | <sonjag> ogra: I'm running fiesty
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| 09:06 | <ogra> i'm not sure we install nfs-commn in gutsy by default (its not used by anything)
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| 09:06 | ah
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> You're sharing home dirs between two edubuntu servers, right?
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| 09:07 | <sonjag> yes... well, I want to. I want to have 2 servers use dhcp load balancing to share clients. Not running yet because I need to share home folders.
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> Guess I'm talking to myself.
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| 09:08 | <jammcq> sbalneav: when you start answering yourself, that's when you have to be careful
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| 09:08 | <sonjag> sbalneav: yes... well, I want to. I want to have 2 servers use dhcp load balancing to share clients. Not running yet because I need to share home folders.
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> I'll say it a third time.
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| 09:09 | Have you installed the package "nfs-client" on the edubuntu machine that's mounting the home dirs?
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| 09:09 | <jammcq> can you even mount an nfs share without the nfs-client package?
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> because if you don't you'll run into this exact problem.
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| 09:09 | yes you can
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| 09:09 | <jammcq> oooooh
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| 09:09 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> but locking doesn't work
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| 09:09 | <jammcq> well then, I highly suggest doing what sbalneav says
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| 09:10 | cuz he's the shiznit
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| 09:10 | <sonjag> sbalneav: [noob here] when I run ps aux | grep nfs, I see about 8 results, some are nfs, some nfsd. None are nfs-client. Am I lookign in the right place?
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| 09:11 | <jammcq> sonjag: you have to actually INSTALL the nfs-client package
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| 09:11 | sudo apt-get install nfs-client
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| 09:11 | <jammcq> err
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| 09:12 | <jammcq> sbalneav: ummmm, I have no nfs-client package available on my machines
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| 09:12 | <sonjag> jammcq: Note, selecting nfs-common instead of nfs-client
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| 09:12 | nfs-common is already the newest version.
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| 09:12 | <sonjag> jammcq: the last post is the result of apt-get install nfs-client
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> sonjag: yeah, I'm waiting for some confirmation from sbalneav
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> Guess I'm talking to myself
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> oin$ aptitude search nfs-
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| 09:15 | v nfs-client -
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| 09:15 | i nfs-common - NFS support files common to client and ser
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| 09:15 | it's a virtual package that installs some libs
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| 09:16 | Specifically, the locking libs
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| 09:16 | <jammcq> how does that not show up with apt-cache ?
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| 09:16 | <sonjag> sbalneav: are you telling me to install that? if so, I've never used aptitude... does it just work? Or do I need to do something. I just use apt.
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| 09:16 | <exodos> I have segfault during setup of x11-common while creating ltsp chroot. Clean gutsy install. Can anyone help?
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| 09:16 | <sbalneav> aptitude's the same as apt-get
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| 09:17 | aptitude install nfs-client
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| 09:17 | <jammcq> except it shows things apt-get doesn't
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| 09:17 | hmm
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> exodos: Where does it segfault
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| 09:17 | <jammcq> apt-get finds it, apt-cache doesn't
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| 09:17 | * jammcq is running around the office all freaked out | |
| 09:17 | <exodos> Setting up x11-common (1:7.2-5ubuntu13) ...
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| 09:17 | /dev/mem: mmap: Bad address
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| 09:17 | /dev/mem: mmap: Bad address
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| 09:17 | Segmentation fault
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> All I know is, for r/w mounts, if I don't install nfs-client, I get exactly the same problems. File locking won't work.
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| 09:18 | We never run into it for most things in ltsp, since we mount ro, so locking semantics don't enter into the picture.
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| 09:18 | <exodos> I thought I saw something similar on launchpad, but cannot find it anymore
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| 09:19 | <jammcq> sonjag: 'sudo apt-get install nfs-client' should take care of it for you
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| 09:19 | arkwys: please stop dropping and joining
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| 09:19 | <exodos> :)
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| 09:20 | <sonjag> sbalneav: after sudo aptitude install nfs-client.... No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> ogra: Wasn't there some bug at one time that the X package was actually testing the card on the server?
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| 09:20 | <ogra> sbalneav, only for xen iirc
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> ok, so, you've already got all the libs it requires.
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| 09:21 | exodos: You doing this under xen or vmware?
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| 09:21 | <exodos> xen
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| 09:21 | <sbalneav> sonjag: How are you doing the mount
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| 09:22 | <sonjag> sbalneav: in fstab on client: 172.27.1.41:/home/ELLISEAGLES /home/ELLISEAGLES nfs defaults 0 0
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| 09:22 | <sbalneav> Man, I really wish the FIRST thing people would say is: "I'm trying to install <x> under [xen/vmware], it would really save us 20 questions
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> GO ELLIS EAGLES!!!!!!
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| 09:23 | * Gadi apologizes - it had to be said | |
| 09:23 | <sbalneav> sonjag: ok, so, lets take a look on the server.
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| 09:23 | <sonjag> gadi: hi :)
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| 09:23 | <sonjag> sbalneav: on exports server: /home/ELLISEAGLES *(rw,no_root_squash,async)
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> hi, sonjag: I'm bouncing around and only read CAPS
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| 09:23 | :)
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| 09:24 | <sonjag> gadi: thanks for the smile... we crash 3-4 times daily these days... I need smiles!!!
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> sonjag: is mountd, lockd, and portmap running on the server?
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> sonjag: crash the server?
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| 09:24 | <sonjag> sbalneav: which server or both?
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> the NFS server
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| 09:24 | For the home dirs
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| 09:25 | <sonjag> sbalneav [noob here] which one is considered the NFS server? The one the export is coming from or the one picking it up?
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> exodos: No work has been done to ensure an edubuntu install works under xen.
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| 09:25 | <jammcq> sonjag: where is the data ?
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> The one the export is coming from.
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| 09:25 | <jammcq> THAT'S the server
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| 09:26 | <exodos> sbalneav: I've already found a launchpad bug about it (#134865). Thx for pointing xen issue here.
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| 09:26 | <sonjag> sbalneav: 172.27.1.41 is where the exports are coming from and all 3 of those processes are running.
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> What kind of switch is connectiong the two together?
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| 09:27 | <jammcq> arkwys: PLEASE STOP
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> sonjag: are you loadbalancing and getting dropped terminals?
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| 09:29 | <sonjag> sbalneav: mish mash (I work at a school) HP 4104gl working as backbone (managed, gig port for server, 10/100 for clients). Clients might jump through other switches possibly SMC, Dlink, Amer.com, but all 10/100 ports.
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> if so, you should try putting the primary into a partner-down state
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| 09:29 | <sonjag> gadi: When this problem happened, yes.
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> yeah, you need to go into partner-down
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| 09:29 | <sonjag> Gadi: how do I do that?
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> on the primary, edit: /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> Gadi: I'm also thinking the switch could be blocking udp
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| 09:30 | <sbalneav> Which would hang the nfs home dir mounts
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> sbalneav: if she's loadbalancing, its probably introducing the prob
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| 09:30 | the two servers arent communicating properly
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| 09:30 | and are handing out the same IP to two clients
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| 09:30 | causing IP conflict
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| 09:30 | and the terminals dropping
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| 09:30 | <sonjag> gadi: Don't you mean dhcpd.conf? And what line do you want me to add?
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> sonjag: no
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| 09:31 | loadbalancing is a weird beast
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| 09:31 | that gets angry and throws things if you don't set it up right
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| 09:31 | <sonjag> gadi: okay, what line do I want to add to leases?
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> sonjag: do you see a stanza like:
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| 09:31 | ...Gadi gets example...
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| 09:32 | damn
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> a stanza about the current state and previous state
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| 09:32 | I dont have a good example handy
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| 09:33 | <ogra> Gadi, and that can influence gconfd's behavior on nfs mounted homedirs ?
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| 09:33 | <sbalneav> I was understanding that it wan't terminals dropping, but accessing home dirs was hanging
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> (also, when you get a chance, copy the dhcpd.conf's from both servers to pastebot:
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| 09:33 | !pastebot
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| 09:33 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:33 | * ogra is curious how dhcpd affects that | |
| 09:33 | <Gadi> ah,
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| 09:33 | <sonjag> gadi: DOH!! This failed when I wasn't using load balancing! Sorry for the confusion. In my fury lately, I isolated the secondary server, and have them running differently. They are on 2 different subnets... could that be an issue? The terms trying to get the export are on 192.168.0.x while the server is on 172.27.x.x
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> if its NFS dropping thats different
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| 09:33 | ah, ok
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| 09:34 | belay those orders and Gadi returns to the corner
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| 09:34 | <ogra> sonjag, so to understand your setup, you have two servers and one is being used as a fileserver for /home ? and one is client to this ?
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| 09:35 | or how did you set it up exactly ?
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| 09:38 | <sonjag> ogra: Mendel (172.27.1.41, doles out 172.27.5.x to 172.27.7.x on eth0) is running LTSP and holds the home folders. Crick (172.27.1.40, doles out 192.168.0.x on eth1 on isolated subnet) is running LTSP and gets home folders from export from Mendel via nfs mount. Crick's terminals are isolated right now becuase I can't get them to work. Eventually, all will be on 172.27.x.x if I can get this home folder issue solved.
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| 09:38 | <sbalneav> brb
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| 09:38 | <sonjag> sbalneav: what is brb?!!
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| 09:38 | <ogra> so you only run one nfs server and one nfs client, right ?
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| 09:39 | <sonjag> ogra: yes
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| 09:39 | <ogra> sonjag, be right back
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| 09:39 | not two servers and you crossmount /home between them or so
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| 09:39 | (that could become an intrsting loop :) )
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| 09:39 | *intresting
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| 09:40 | <sonjag> ogra: no. Only Mendel is exporting. If it matters, they authenticate via winbind and to match UID/GID, I copy idmap from Mendel to Crick nightly. Not elegant, but login is working. However, UID/GID could be problematic so I mention it here.
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| 09:41 | <ogra> yeah that sund like a possible problem
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| 09:41 | *sounds
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| 09:42 | <sonjag> ogra: since users are logging in and can get into their home folders, I don't think that's it. Or could this be related to permissions? Is there a way to check?
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| 09:42 | <ogra> no, i remember there once was a bug with hidden dirs (like ~/.gconf) and nfs
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| 09:43 | the users are not logged in multiple times i suppose
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| 09:43 | <sonjag> ogra: nope
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| 09:44 | <ogra> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=211529
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| 09:44 | smells like the same prob
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| 09:45 | looks like http://linuxlab.dk/tipsntricks/gnomennfs.php has a suggestion
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| 09:46 | googling "gconfd nfs locking" actually revelas tons of hits
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| 09:46 | <sonjag> ogra: will look at that. Can't try until after school, but will give it a whorl. Also found this <http://linux-nfs.org/pipermail/nfsv4/2005-March/001355.html> which is old but sounds very similar too.
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| 09:47 | <ogra> well, that might rather be broken nfs4
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| 09:47 | but could also be the same indeed
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| 09:47 | <sonjag> ogra: nfs4 is running. Is it not ready for production? How do I find these things out?
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| 09:48 | <ogra> that mail was from 2005 :)
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| 09:48 | nfs4 should be fine nowadays ... i just meant his specific issue
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| 09:49 | http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ aha, look at "I'm having a lock file problem. What do I do?" :)
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| 09:54 | <sonjag> ogra, sbalneav: thanks for all your help! I'll read these sites you reference. Hopefully I'll find a solution.
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| 09:55 | <ogra> if nothing works you can still resort to samba or cifs worst case :)
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| 09:55 | but given that many users run such setups it should be solvable
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| 09:56 | <sonjag> Gadi: Thanks for your help. I am planning on running dhcp load balancing. Can you send me info on setting up the partner-down thing you were talking about? Thanks!
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> GO ELLIS EAGLES!
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| 09:56 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:56 | <sonjag> gadi: killing me :) THE ellis eagle
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> sonjag: if you plan on doing loadbalanicing, I suggest reading man dhcpd.conf
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| 09:56 | and then lets chat
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| 09:57 | it follows a whole long spec, but there are some basic behavior things you need to get used to
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| 09:57 | in order to troubleshoot if things go awry
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| 09:57 | <sonjag> gadi: more things awry? yikes. but will do. thanks again.
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| 09:57 | <Gadi> don't take that as an rtfm kinda thing
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| 09:57 | btw
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| 09:58 | it's just its something you need to get ur mind around a bit
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| 09:58 | and easier to chat about
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| 09:58 | unless you're into long boring specs
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| 09:58 | :)
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| 09:59 | brb
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| 09:59 | <sonjag> gadi: I do need to do more rtfm :) ogra and sbalneav are going to ban me from the list soon :)
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| 09:59 | <ogra> never :)
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| 10:00 | sonjag, we all started once ;) you know ...
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| 10:15 | <sonjag> ogra: thanks :)
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| 10:25 | <sonjag> ogra: after reading the posts, I went to install nfslock. It looks like that might be an rpm only app. (tell me if I'm wrong here.) When I looked for similar, I found libfile-nfslock-perl. Any thoughts on this and whether it'll do what I need with locking?
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| 10:26 | <jammcq> sonjag: on your server, run this: rpcinfo -p
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| 10:27 | and see if it shows 'nlockmgr' running
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| 10:27 | <sonjag> jammcq: it does... is that similar/same as nfslock?
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| 10:28 | <jammcq> it's the server-side of the nfs locking mechanism
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| 10:28 | on the client, I think you need a 'lockd' process running
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| 10:28 | but my memory is a bit foggy
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| 10:31 | <sonjag> jammcq: nlockmgr is running on both client and server. The ltsp server acting as the client (mounting the nfs export) is not running lockd. Should it be?
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| 10:31 | jammcq: just read the "foggy" line... will google to find out more :)
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| 10:34 | <cliebow> sbalneav:csn you give me the ten second description how squashfs replaces nfs mount
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| 10:34 | ?
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| 10:36 | <vagrantc> cliebow: it's actually a combination of NBD+squashfs+unionfs
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| 10:37 | cliebow: NBD (network block device) is used to ... mount a block device over the network ... that contains a sqaushfs image (could easily contain ext2 or whatever fs) ... on top of that unionfs is used to layer the filesystem with a tmpfs mount, so that everything is writeable.
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| 10:38 | cliebow: though i am not sbalneav :)
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| 10:43 | <cliebow> this works 8~)
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| 10:43 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:43 | hey vagrantc
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> hi
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| 10:44 | ogra: so, i actually have a branch to split ldm into it's own source package.
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| 10:44 | wasn't nearly as difficult as i'd thought it would be
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| 10:44 | <ogra> cool
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| 10:44 | i havent started hardy at all yet, feel free to go forward as you like :)
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| 10:45 | i'm planning the merge and branch creation in boston with scott at my side
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> most likely i'll try and get an upload to debian experimental ...
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| 10:45 | ogra: i just merged gutsy into my debian branch and should do an upload this week
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| 10:45 | <ogra> so apparently we still use unionfs 1.4 in ubuntu since 2.0 is to buggy ...
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> not much different
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| 10:46 | ogra: that's why i haven't been able to get it to work in debian ?
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| 10:46 | <ogra> so we'll likely never see debian using the squashfs way
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| 10:46 | yeah
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| 10:46 | <vagrantc> at least, not until it's fixed
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| 10:46 | <ogra> unionfs 2.x is pretty odd
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| 10:46 | i dont think it will get fixed
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| 10:46 | <vagrantc> ogra: i did try NBD+squashfs+tmpfs mounts and it also proved unstable.
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| 10:47 | <ogra> i mean ubuntu is poking upstream since it exists about this stuff
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| 10:47 | we had quite bright people working on the bugs and they didnt manage ...
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| 10:47 | i think te future might be aufs once its mature
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| 10:47 | but its still very young
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| 10:47 | <unstable> Hey Gadi
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| 10:47 | <vagrantc> it seems like debian-live is moving towards aufs
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| 10:48 | <unstable> You about?
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| 10:48 | <ogra> if thats stable enough ubuntu might too
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| 10:48 | <Gadi> "unstable" - its like im talking to myself...
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| 10:48 | imnot, am I?
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| 10:48 | whoa
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| 10:49 | * Gadi bats invisible flies away over his shoulder | |
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| 11:23 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: yeah, password expiration work on gutsy the problem is when the user tries to change it ;D
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| 11:23 | <sonjag> ogra and vagrantc-- are you guys talking about mounting exports using NBD? is this better than nfs? should I be looking at something other than nfs for mounting exports between ltsp servers, or am I totally off on what you're discussing?
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| 11:24 | <vagrantc_> sonjag: ubuntu gutsy is using NBD+squashfs+unionfs instead of NFS+tmpfs mounts
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| 11:25 | sonjag: sounds faster, but i haven't gotten it to work on debian
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| 11:25 | <sonjag> vagrantc_ so if I update, will I need to rebuild it? doh, just read that you don't have it working. I'll stay fiesty and mount with nfs :)
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc_> sonjag: it is working on ubuntu gutsy, so i hear, but just not on debian
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| 11:26 | <ogra> you need to rebuild
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> sonjag: he's not referring to the home dirs
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| 11:26 | as in your case
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| 11:26 | <ogra> but as vagrantc says, only in gutsy
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc_> i would not recommend using it for home dirs, no
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| 11:26 | <ogra> right thats about the basic thin client system
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| 11:27 | vagrantc, why not, could be funny :)
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| 11:27 | /home on unionfs
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| 11:27 | <sonjag> Okay, thanks. Ogra... no making fun of the noob :)
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| 11:27 | * ogra hugs sonjag | |
| 11:28 | <sonjag> ogra: I feel better now... the weeping has subsided
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| 11:29 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc_> ogra: as best i can tell, the .po translations for ldm are not actually used or installed... ?
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| 11:31 | ogra: am i missing something?
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| 11:31 | <ogra> nope, you are right
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| 11:31 | <sbalneav> vagrantc_: It's entirely possible that i18n for ldm is completely wrong
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| 11:32 | <ogra> its not working at all
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| 11:32 | <sbalneav> It was my first attempt at i18n, and it's probably completely incorrect.
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| 11:33 | I have no idea how to do it, so I'd love it if someone could either point out my errors, or send me patches to make it work.
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc_> ok. i'm no i18n master either...
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| 11:34 | i'll re-open that one bug, then
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| 11:34 | <sbalneav> If you know someone who is, draft 'em.
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc_> i'll certainly look into it
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| 11:41 | <exodos> some LTSP devs here, so I will repete my question: I'm looking for a place where ldminfo.server i set and couldn't find it in ldm.c. Can anyone point me to correct place?
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc_> ogra, sbalneav: either of you mind if i cut and paste what y'all said about i18n on ldm to the bug report ?
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| 11:47 | <ogra> nope
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> Not at all
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| 11:48 | exodos: ldminfo.server is obtained from the greeter
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| 11:49 | in greeter_iface.c
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| 11:49 | It's ultimately obtained from the LDM_SERVER environment variabe
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| 11:50 | which is set up in the ldm screen script
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| 11:51 | <ogra> and should default to SERVER if not manually set differently
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| 11:51 | <sbalneav> correct
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| 11:59 | <staffencasa> now it reeks
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| 11:59 | sorry, wrong channel
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| 12:01 | <klausade> I'm using 5.0.8debian3 on etch and experience that some of my clients that act as printservers often stops acting as printservers, jetpipe and start_printers stops. they are all 700MHz/128mb machines. anyone have a pointer where to look?
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| 12:02 | they might work for a few hours.
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc_> klausade: i haven't actually used jetpipe ... so i don't really know.
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| 12:05 | * ogra wonders which version that is ... there was a bug | |
| 12:06 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/110609
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc_> ogra: was that the fix mentioned in 5.0.22 ?
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| 12:09 | <ogra> obvoiusly (see the bug closing msg :) )
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc_> ogra: uh, there's no mention of which bug it closed, or really what it did :P
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| 12:09 | or, nevermind
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| 12:09 | it does describe what it did
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| 12:11 | klausade: so, you'd probably have to patch jetpipe, or use the newer backports
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| 12:12 | <klausade> vagrantc_: thanks, i'll patch.
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| 12:15 | <unstable> Gadi may I pm you?
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> you may
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| 12:17 | just, if you really are unstable, don't go hanging out in the bushes outside my house
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| 12:26 | <sonjag> I need to edit my menu.lst. Can I just use nano on this (no one comment on nano... vi is a BEAST;) or is there some "proper" way to do it like crontab has or is nano'ing okay?
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| 12:27 | <klausade> sonjag: you can use nano.
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| 12:27 | <sonjag> klausade: thanks!
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| 12:28 | <sbalneav> sonjag: Now, you don't come in here and insult vi, and not expect to get some grief about it :)
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| 12:29 | <sonjag> sbalneav: I knew you guys couldn't leave that one alone :)
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| 12:30 | <sbalneav> You started it :)
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| 12:38 | <|jraf|> Hi. I am having a huge delay in the LTSP boot process (LTSP5, Ubuntu Gutsy), which takes several minutes. Syslog shows a lot of nbd errors on the client (attempt to read on closed socket). Does anyone hava any idea what may be causing this?
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| 12:39 | <sbalneav> Sounds like the nbd server process is dying, or having trouble
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| 12:39 | either that, or you're dropping packets on your network
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| 12:40 | Check your cabling, hubs, network cards for interrupt conflicts, etc.
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| 12:40 | <|jraf|> Good idea. I'll try to swap the server ethernet interface.
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| 12:42 | However, I did not have any problem while using the same number of clients on LTS 4.2, with nfs root, and with the same server. Does ndb increase the network usage or is more sensitive to dropped packages?
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| 12:42 | packages = packets ... :-)
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| 12:43 | <ogra> it lowers the network usage (a lot)
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| 12:43 | <unstable> Anyone have a link to the Scott Balneaves LTSP FISL video? from Sofware Livre in Brazil?
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| 12:43 | <ogra> well, not nbd but the fact that a squashfs is used on top
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| 12:52 | <ogra> ffsihateirc, why ?
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| 12:52 | ffsihateirc is now known as jcastro | |
| 12:52 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:52 | <jcastro> freenode, sigh
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| 12:53 | I needed an alternate nick to register to get that ubuntu member cloak
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| 12:53 | <ogra> talk to Seveas
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| 12:54 | <sonjag> jcastro: Hi! Long time. How's everything going? Still coming to Boston for Linux Dev Conf?
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| 12:55 | <jcastro> sonjag: I will be there!
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| 12:55 | ogra: yeah, already in contact with the irc team
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| 12:55 | <sonjag> jcastro: let's grab a beer! Might not be at the conf, but only an hour away.
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| 12:55 | <jcastro> I apparently had a bunch of old nicks registered to old passwords long forgotten
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| 12:56 | sonjag: send me a mail, jorge@ubuntu.com and I'll make my way out.
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| 12:56 | sonjag: I have a car so it's not a problem
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| 12:56 | <ogra> hey, take me with you !
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| 12:56 | <jcastro> ok
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| 12:57 | <ogra> we should don a #ltsp meeting one evening :)
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| 12:57 | <Blinny> Beer is good.
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| 12:57 | <ogra> *do
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| 12:57 | <sbalneav> Beer is always good.
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| 12:58 | * ogra didnt want to stop a tete-a-tete from happening though | |
| 12:58 | <ogra> so just ignore me :)
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| 13:00 | <sonjag> I'm in for it. Anyone in New England? I'll teach you all to use nano (that's for sbalneav :)
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| 13:00 | * sbalneav sets +I for ogra :) | |
| 13:01 | <ogra> many of us will be in boston next week
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| 13:01 | <sbalneav> Don't need to know nano.
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| 13:01 | I know a *real* editor already.
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| 13:01 | :)
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> aww... shnap
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| 13:04 | <ogra> ?
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> do you believe that vi? he takes nano to the emacs! gedit?
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| 13:05 | <ogra> jo, jed or pico ??
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> nothing like when text editors talk smack
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> cat and sed is all the editor you ever need
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| 13:06 | <Blinny> I have two persistent problems that I've never been able to nail down. The first is gnome applets failing every now and then. Usually when logging in via NX, or after an ungraceful exit of gnome.
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| 13:06 | <ogra> bah ...
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| 13:06 | they are only pimped ed
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| 13:07 | <Gadi> Blinny: sounds like a similar issue I have on a box due to bonobo-server not dying upon logout
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| 13:08 | which stems from a bug in evolution
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| 13:08 | amongst other apps
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| 13:08 | <Blinny> Gadi: Hrm. I use neither.
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> when a user logs out, do you see lingering processes?
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| 13:08 | <Blinny> I haven't checked that..
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| 13:08 | <ogra> i guess Gadi means evolution-data-server (has nothing to do with evo apart from the name)
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> see if they do
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| 13:08 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Well, if you typed your code *CORRECTLY* the first time, you wouldn't need sed, now would you? :)
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| 13:08 | <Blinny> Okay.
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> ogra: right
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| 13:08 | sorry
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| 13:09 | <ogra> e-d-s is used by the calendar and time applet in gnome
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> its all a bag of mixed up messed up gnome yummy problems
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| 13:09 | <Blinny> Is there a way around them, other than upgrading? (;
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| 13:09 | <ogra> no mater if you use evo ...
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| 13:09 | the name just shows its inheritance
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| 13:10 | <Blinny> I am using the process purging when a user logs in/out
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> Blinny: not sure - haven't found a way yet
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| 13:10 | <Blinny> I assume my 2nd problem has to do with this
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| 13:11 | (this is an Eric K12-specific hack though I think)
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> Blinny: are you on LTSP 5 or 4?
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| 13:11 | <Blinny> 4.2
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| 13:11 | K12v6
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> ah, then it may or may not be related
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| 13:11 | <Blinny> heh
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| 13:11 | ok
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> still check for the lingering processes
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| 13:13 | <Blinny> The second is, also usually after an ungraceful gnome edit, a user will get what looks like a confirm box after putting in their login/password, but the box is filled with unprintable characters, and the two buttons also are. They look like squares all over the confirmation. - Pressing enter or escape will let them log in, but the next time they log in they'll get the same thing. Clicking the right of the two squared-out buttons returns the user to log
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| 13:13 | <ogra> i'd bet on dbus not exiting with the session
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| 13:13 | <Blinny> I assume this is 'you're already logged in, do you want to kill your previous login?'
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| 13:13 | <ogra> and all dbus apps hanging in wait state
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| 13:14 | <ogra> Blinny, there is a font missing ...
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| 13:14 | <Blinny> Yeah, I figured. Or corrupted.
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| 13:14 | <ogra> apparently you see an untranslated string there
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| 13:14 | <Blinny> Is that in gdmgreeter?
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| 13:14 | <ogra> no idea
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| 13:14 | <Blinny> Fun.
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| 13:14 | I've seen that box before I think, but it was printed characters.
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| 13:14 | (readable)
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| 13:15 | <ogra> probably something custom thats started on ligin as first app ...
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| 13:15 | *login
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| 13:15 | probably gdmgreeter ...
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| 13:15 | <Blinny> Where would I investigate that?
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| 13:15 | <ogra> we dont use gdm anywhere :) i could tell you where to look in ldm :)
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| 13:16 | <Blinny> gdm was used in 4.2 though yes?
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| 13:16 | <ogra> XDMCP was
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| 13:16 | 4.2 didnt ship a login manager
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| 13:17 | <Blinny> Ah.
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| 13:17 | <ogra> so whatever your X server connects to :)
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| 13:17 | <Blinny> Do you know of an XDMCP or gdm config file location?
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> Blinny: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf (or /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf)
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| 13:19 | <Blinny> I have an /etc/gdm/custom.conf
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| 13:19 | Again, maybe a k12-specific thing
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> dont mind ogra - he just tries to copy the look and feel of gdm ;)
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| 13:20 | <Gadi> nah, thats probably a fedora thing
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| 13:20 | its probably the custom gdm.conf
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| 13:20 | look inside
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| 13:20 | <Blinny> I don't see anything weird. Just my logo and MaxSessions
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| 13:20 | [xdmcp] enable=true
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| 13:21 | <Gadi> do you use a font server?
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| 13:21 | <Blinny> Messages, etc
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| 13:21 | xfs is running ...
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| 13:21 | <Gadi> there ya go
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| 13:21 | <Blinny> though I'd rather not. I've never understood the font server thing
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| 13:21 | <Gadi> do you have USE_XFS in your lts.conf?
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| 13:21 | <Blinny> =N
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| 13:22 | xfs is running on the server, mind
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> so, its running, but you dont use it?
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| 13:23 | <ogra_cmpc> meeo
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| 13:23 | err
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| 13:23 | meep
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| 13:23 | <Blinny> Gadi: Would it be used by local logins at the server's console?
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| 13:23 | Gadi: I've never understood how to _stop_ using it.
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| 13:23 | When I've disabled on my home PC, X won't start.
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| 13:24 | <ogra> remove it from xorg.conf
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| 13:24 | <Blinny> But that's just stopping the service; I don't know how to stop X from
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| 13:24 | Oh.
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| 13:24 | <ogra_cmpc> you might have a unix domain socket entry in teh font path settings
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| 13:25 | <Blinny> Change FontPath "unix/:7100" to some local parh?
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| 13:25 | *nod*
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| 13:26 | <ogra_cmpc> just comment it
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| 13:26 | there should be other local paths
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| 13:26 | <Blinny> Do I need to yum install xorg-x11-fonts*
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| 13:26 | <ogra_cmpc> no idea
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| 13:26 | <Blinny> heh
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| 13:26 | * ogra_cmpc has no clue about RH package names | |
| 13:27 | <Blinny> There is a /usr/share/fonts and /usr/share/X11/fonts filled with pcf files
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| 13:27 | ...but again, this is all on the server, not the clients. Is this just symantics or does this have to do with the funky-joe message I'm getting on the thin clients (recall USE_XFS=N)
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| 13:29 | There are no other entries for FontPath in my server's xorg.conf
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| 13:30 | <ogra_cmpc> weird ... might be an old setup ....
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| 13:30 | xorg doesnt need xfs since ages anzmore
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| 13:32 | <Blinny> Well.
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| 13:33 | How about if I try this on my home computer first. I'll change FontPath to /usr/share/X11/fonts, stop xfs and see how it runs
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| 13:33 | If that works, then I'll try it here on my LTSP server
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| 13:33 | (but I don't see how that matters if the thin clients aren't using XFS
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| 13:34 | The thin client I'm on have four or five entries on FontPath, none of this ware a domain socket
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| 13:36 | And, there isn't a corresponding package outside of the chroot - there is no /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts on the server
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| 13:37 | <Blinny> Crap.
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| 13:53 | <cliebow__> option root-path "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/i386.4.1";
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| 13:54 | how does this end up truncated to /ltsp/i386/i386.4.1??
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| 13:54 | at nfs mount time
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| 13:57 | <Guaraldo> option root-path "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/i386.4.1"; ??? Shouldn't it be option root-path "/ltsp/i386/i386.4.1"; ???
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| 13:57 | <cliebow__> i should think if it is /etc/exports the filesystem could be anywhere...
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| 13:58 | the prob with this client is the kernel must be in same dir as rootfilesystem
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| 13:58 | <Blinny> It's relative to tftpboot
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| 13:58 | <cliebow__> so kernel has to be below /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 13:58 | <Blinny> I believe so, yes.
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| 13:59 | <cliebow__> so then rootfilesystem for this client has to be below /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 13:59 | <Blinny> If your problem is correct, then yes.
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| 13:59 | Why?
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| 14:00 | <cliebow__> idiosyncracy of these old clients
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| 14:00 | they do not pxeboot (or etherboot)
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| 14:00 | <Blinny> Oh. Yuck.
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| 14:00 | Can you do a hard link?
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| 14:01 | <cliebow__> not of the kernel
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| 14:01 | tftp wont venture outside its chroot\
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| 14:05 | <cliebow__> Blinny, hee hee a softlink worked
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| 14:05 | <Blinny> Nice work trickin those old things
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| 14:06 | <cliebow__> ive had these in production for a couple years..trying to get a portable setup to take to ogra at bts
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| 14:54 | <cliebow__> brb
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| 15:00 | <sonjag> Is there a command to see who is logged in on an LTSP server if you are running winbind for authentication? Who only works for LDAP AFAIK
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| 15:03 | <sbalneav> who should work on Gutsy
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| 15:05 | <sonjag> sbalneav: is there anything that I can use on feisty?
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> ps -ef | grep Xsession should work
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| 15:06 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 15:06 | <laprag> hey jammcq
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| 15:06 | <sonjag> sbalneav: works great... thanks :)
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| 15:07 | <jammcq> tastes great too
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| 15:07 | laprag: HEY
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| 15:07 | great to see you
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| 15:07 | <laprag> likewise
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| 15:07 | did ogra release a new edubuntu?
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| 15:08 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 15:08 | <laprag> oh. sweet
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| 15:08 | major progress?
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| 15:08 | seem to remember that boot times were an issue
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| 15:08 | <ogra> laprag, edubuntu is always released with ubuntu (its build inside the same system and gets the same testing procedures)
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| 15:09 | <laprag> ogra: ok. any ltsp-related progress then?
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| 15:09 | <laprag> i know ubuntu has made a few steps here and there
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| 15:12 | <ogra> yeah https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
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| 15:13 | that and sbalneav's beautiful new LDM written in C :)
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| 15:27 | <laprag> night night
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| 16:32 | <cliebow> warren:so you coming North for bts?
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| 16:33 | <warren> cliebow, bts?
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| 16:33 | <cliebow> ltsp by the sea...with jammcq?
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| 16:33 | <warren> cliebow, yeah I'm goig.
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| 16:33 | going
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| 16:33 | <cliebow> cool...i sortof host it
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| 16:33 | my neck of the woods
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| 17:13 | <rcy]> ive edited lts.conf to try to enable autologins on edubuntu 7.10, but the thinclient justs comes up with the X mouse cursor on a blank screen when rebooting it
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| 17:13 | any ideas about how to debug this
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| 19:26 | <Gadi> !seen jammcq
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| 19:26 | <ltspbot> Gadi: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 4 hours, 17 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <jammcq> yeah
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| 20:12 | <jammcq> hola
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| 21:16 | * mistik1 can finally envision a day when I wont have to logout of X to change any of its settings | |
| 21:16 | <mistik1> Way to go Xorg
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| 21:22 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:24 | <mistik1> Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:25 | <sbalneav> Hey mistik1
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| 21:25 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:25 | <mistik1> what's up bro
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| 21:25 | Hey Jim
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| 21:26 | jammcq: those guys and xorg and been up to some really good stuff, eh?
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| 21:26 | <jammcq> yeah, they have
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| 21:27 | <mistik1> I just pushed my X setup to bleeding edge and so far I'm loving what I see
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| 21:27 | <jammcq> yeah, try plugging in an external monitor, or a projector
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| 21:27 | see the real goodness that we've all been waiting so long for
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| 21:27 | <mistik1> The ati driver is working excellently for my needs (which is multihead)
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| 21:28 | jammcq: that's exactly what i've been doing
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| 21:28 | just awesome with xrandr 1.2
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| 21:29 | I am starting to write a script to monitor every few seconds to see if the external was unplugged and switch back to single head mode
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| 21:29 | This is realy very nice
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| 21:30 | <jammcq> I think that's supposed to cause a udev event
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| 21:30 | which could trigger a rule to do something
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| 21:31 | I don't remember if that's in this release, or just on the plan
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| 21:33 | <mistik1> I'll check it out
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