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Channel log from 18 July 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:42 | <vagrantc_> stgraber: is ldm still broken in ubuntu? i just uploaded 2.0.42 to debian with the patches reverted ...
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| 07:02 | <vagrantc_> ogra: i just talked with joeyh about using debconf-apt-progress in the ltsp-client-builder udeb to get a better progress bar ... did you remember exploring that?
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| 07:03 | <ogra> no, since when does it exist ?
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| 07:03 | <vagrantc_> not sure.
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| 07:04 | looks promising... though with all the file descriptor redirections, this stuff gets tricky
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| 07:05 | <ogra> yeah
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| 07:06 | the prob is that we run two different subprocesses in ltsp-client-builder, one for ltsp-build-client and one for ltsp-update-images
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| 07:06 | i never managed to make both work
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| 07:07 | beyond that in-target already steals the descriptors
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| 07:07 | <vagrantc_> showed me some ways to stop and resume progress ... i.e. start here at 25%, stop at 50%, do stuff, start back up at 50% ...
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| 07:09 | <ogra> right, but it requires that you capture the info from the different subprocesses somehow
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| 07:09 | showing a progressbar was never my problem :)
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| 07:09 | are you in europe btw ?
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| 07:10 | <vagrantc_> ogra: yeah, extremadura :)
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| 07:10 | * ogra just remembered there is debconf next week | |
| 07:10 | <vagrantc_> debcamp this week
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| 07:10 | <ogra> ah, i was already wondering why you work at that TOD :)
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| 07:10 | <vagrantc_> the highlight of my day, yesterday was unloading a truck full of debian-branded wine
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| 07:10 | TOD?
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| 07:10 | <ogra> hehe
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| 07:10 | time of day
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| 07:11 | <vagrantc_> it's kind of silly that spain is still at +2 ... solar high noon is around 2pm or so...
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| 07:12 | speaking of which ... lunch!
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| 07:12 | <ogra> not only spain :)
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| 07:51 | <szczym> helo all, do you know what might be a reason of "acpi: Invalid PBLK length" during boot of thin client? it stops booting on console login screen... thanx for help
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| 08:02 | <ogra> szczym, what distro/release ?
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| 08:02 | sounds like a kernel problem
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| 08:02 | <szczym> 9.04
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| 08:04 | <ogra> probably https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/197267
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| 08:04 | there are some links to the ACPI debugging page
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| 08:04 | <szczym> i installed it on other server computer and inserted HD into new server. would it be a problem ?
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| 08:05 | <ogra> in ltsp you set kernel options in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 08:05 | <szczym> but its booting fine into gnome and all works on on server
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| 08:05 | <ogra> you said you see the message on a thin client
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| 08:05 | <szczym> yes, i see on client
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| 08:06 | <ogra> so ut doesnt matter if your server works fine, the thin client is different hardware and you are seeing a hardware problem with the kernel
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| 08:07 | * ogra would start with this suggestion: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/197267/comments/3 | |
| 08:08 | <szczym> thanx for help ogra, i will tray that
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| 08:36 | <GGD> question
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| 08:37 | <vagrantc_> !question
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| 08:37 | <ltspbot> vagrantc_: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 08:37 | <GGD> if i put ltsp on a particular os does it automatically netboot that OS?
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| 08:41 | does that make sense?
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| 08:41 | <vagrantc_> ltsp5 will typically build an LTSP environment that's built using the host OS.
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| 08:41 | <GGD> oh ok
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| 08:51 | <ogra> vagrantc_, oh, since when does ltsp-server depend on debconf-utils ?
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| 08:54 | <vagrantc_> ogra: a good long while ago
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| 08:54 | probably added it to support preseeding or some such
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| 08:55 | ogra: seems like all the way back to 2005
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| 08:56 | <ogra> wow, i wasnt aware
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| 08:56 | <vagrantc_> ogra: part of mdz's merging pere's patches
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| 08:56 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:01 | hmm, five lines changed, ltsp-build-client --arch armel is running ;)
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| 09:01 | * ogra wonders if it gets through until kernel selection | |
| 09:06 | <ogra> vagrantc_, do you have any idea if $DEBOOTSTRAPOPTIONS needs to be available in the second stage if building for --foreign ?
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| 09:06 | hrm "W: Failure while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times ..."
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| 09:07 | would be nice if it could be a bit more verbose
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| 09:07 | especially since debootstrap works fine just building a chroot
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| 09:08 | funny and it just moves on then
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| 09:08 | <vagrantc_> ogra: i thought --foreign actually wrote a script that should hopefully pass those options on...
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| 09:08 | but i don't really know ...
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| 09:08 | <ogra> ah, good, then i did it right
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc_> i sure hope you don't have to repeat all the same options...
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| 09:09 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:09 | yeah, that would be silly
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| 09:12 | gah
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| 09:13 | stgraber, we need to adjust ltsp-build-client for new upstart
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| 09:13 | /opt/ltsp/armel/etc/event.d/tty[2-6] are gone now
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| 09:16 | * vagrantc_ is reconsidering doing any whitelisting at all | |
| 09:18 | <ogra> in karmic+1 ubuntu can use upstart jobs for everything ... then it wont be needed anymore
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| 09:19 | we just switched to upstart 0.6
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| 09:20 | and given that we aim for 10sec bootime in karmic (including the dropping of usplash) fiddling with the bootprocess should be obsolete anyway
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| 09:50 | <ogra> hrm, many dependency errors
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| 09:55 | <GGD> !seen warren
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| 09:55 | <ltspbot> GGD: warren was last seen in #ltsp 2 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 20 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <warren> g
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| 10:10 | <ogra> hrm
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| 10:10 | seed mistmatches ... thats indeed bad
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| 12:17 | <rocco> :)
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| 12:18 | Is there anybody otu there??
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| 12:19 | <ogra> yes :P
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| 12:26 | ha !
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| 12:26 | --exclude sysklogd,klogd makes it work
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| 12:37 | <ogra> yay, it gets through until linux-image now ...
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| 12:37 | * ogra adds a special case for armel to the kernel plugin | |
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| 13:39 | <stgraber> ogra: thanks for your changes, I plan to tag and upload tomorrow or Monday
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| 13:57 | <ogra> stgraber, so essentially karmic should support these http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/01/pegatron-free-029.jpg once they are on the market :)
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| 13:58 | given that the netbooks are supposed to cost below $200 i would expect the nettops to be around $100 ...
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| 13:59 | <NeonLicht> what are the nettops?
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| 14:01 | mmmhhhhh... small lowpower desktops w/o HDD,etc (ala netbook), maybe?
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| 14:13 | <stgraber> ogra: do you have real video driver now ?
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| 14:13 | last I heard it was some FB driver without real acceleration
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| 14:43 | <ogra> there will be one, not sure it will be open, but it will be in ubuntu (worst case like nvidia)
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| 14:50 | <stgraber> good
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> ogra: wow. you've got armel support working?
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| 16:31 | <Kati_Zwisch> hi
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| 16:31 | i have this problem here
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| 16:31 | http://pastebin.com/m7b7a5338
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> Kati_Zwisch: can you try appending the following in a new line at the end of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default?
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| 16:34 | IPAPPEND 3
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| 16:35 | ...and reboot the client...
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| 16:37 | <Kati_Zwisch> is the kernel bug?
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> Kati_Zwisch: it may be, but it may also be something else. Did you try what I said?
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| 16:39 | <Kati_Zwisch> is it a kernel bug?
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| 16:39 | sorry
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| 16:39 | <alkisg> Kati_Zwisch: also, does the client have 1 NIC or does it have 2 NICs?
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| 16:42 | <Kati_Zwisch> just a moment, I'll try it
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: hey, i've got support for ipappend in the latest ltsp :)
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> vagrantc: is that commited upstream?
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yeah
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> cool :)
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: that's what i meant by latest ltsp
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| 16:55 | uploaded to debian, of course :)
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| 16:55 | also supports pxe menus, and memtest86*
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> Yeah but I'm a little fuzzy on which part of the initramfs is common between debian and ubuntu, what is ltsp upstream and what initramfs upstream etc
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> i pretty much have been meaning to get those features in since 2007
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| 16:56 | well, when debian pulls a new upstream version, it'll have support for it too
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| 16:56 | er, ubuntu pulls ...
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> Did the creation of pxelinux.cfg/default changed? I.e. the PXELINUX_CMDLINE variable in ltsp-kernel.conf?
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 16:57 | killed PXELINUX_CMDLINE
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| 16:57 | maybe
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| 16:57 | * alkisg needs to read up on this :) | |
| 16:58 | <vagrantc> it has options to append arbitrary files to the configs ... but the defaults essentially work the same.
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| 16:59 | still plenty of room for improvement, but most of the cases i've heard of that people have been fighting with should be more easily dealt with
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> I think Ubuntu will use udhcpc for Karmic, though...
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> shouldn't change anything
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| 16:59 | this is just the pxelinux boot menu
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| 17:00 | <alkisg> Well, the back-end handling would be different (i.e. ip=xxx parameter)
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| 17:00 | * vagrantc finds it ironic to hear talk of udhcp again | |
| 17:02 | * vagrantc has uploaded new versions of all things related to ltsp to debian in the last two days | |
| 17:02 | <alkisg> I don't know how bug-free udhcpc is, but I'm sure it has fewer bugs than ipconfig!
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| 17:03 | vagrantc: what do I need to install to try them out? sid or experimental?
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| 17:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's in sid, although you can probably install lenny with just the ltsp-relevent packages.
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| 17:12 | i'm testing it now
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| 17:20 | * vagrantc notices that debian excludes cron by default | |
| 17:21 | <vagrantc> so all stgraber's new cron code won't work
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| 17:24 | well, current ltsp seems to work in debian lenny/stable
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| 17:24 | at least with initial testing...
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| 17:25 | with the bonus that sound still works ...
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| 17:25 | * vagrantc can't figure out why pulseaudio doesn't start | |
| 17:40 | <Ahmuck-Jr_> pulseaudo doesn't start where?
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> on debian testing/squeeze ...
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| 17:40 | works fine on debian stable/lenny
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