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Channel log from 22 January 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:07 | <nikok> i have a crappy "planet" usb print server, and just wondering do i need it at all...
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| 00:36 | <johnny> it is possible that it would just work
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| 00:37 | but it can definitely be made to work
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| 04:00 | <jsoyer> hi
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| 04:01 | anyone using ltsp with ldap and pam mount ? i have some problem under Ubuntu feisty when i try to unmount automaticaly share at logout
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| 04:02 | anyone can help me please ?
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| 06:50 | <misui> กดห
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| 07:15 | <cdealer__> good morning all
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| 07:15 | ogra: how can I set ltsp to mount pen-drive with suporte for utf8 file names ?
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| 07:25 | when I open my pen-drive on the server or other local machine any word witch special characters are displayed normal but on the clients every special character becames some strange letter...
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| 09:13 | <uranellus2> hey, how do I switch the keyboard layout to 'de' for a german keyboard on ltsp5 with ldm
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| 09:13 | I've added XBDLayout de but that doesnt work
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> make it all caps
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| 09:14 | XKBDLAYOUT
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| 09:14 | er
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| 09:14 | XKBLAYOUT
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| 09:14 | (no 'D')
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| 09:19 | <kyron> uranellus2, I have a similar problem :( Gadi now how do I do it so kxkb still can be used?
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| 09:20 | in other words: using the ubuntu 6.10 i386 "image", how to I get the keyboard layout to work?
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> XKBLAYOUT = de
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| 09:21 | in lts.conf
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| 09:22 | you may need: XKBVARIANT = nodeadkeys
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| 09:22 | (from what ogra tells me)
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| 09:23 | and, kyron, do you mean 7.10?
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| 09:23 | or are you using edgy?
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| 09:23 | <kyron> Gadi, sorry, no, I did mean the 6.x series
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> ah, well are you using ltsp5 or ltsp4?
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| 09:24 | <kyron> ltsp5
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> that will be a very old version of ltsp5, then
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| 09:24 | I would suggest you upgrade the server
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| 09:24 | * uranellus2 as well | |
| 09:24 | <Gadi> or grab a gutsy tarball for the chroot
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| 09:25 | <kyron> geez, I really am being vague huh ;) I "upgraded" on a whim yesterday to LTSP5 after being frustrated that ltspadmin wouldn't find the 4.2 tree...and though it would be time I "evolve" into the next generation ;)
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> well, building ltsp5 on an edgy or dapper server will produce a very old chroot
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| 09:25 | <kyron> loather-work told me not to touch the gutsy version
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> as ltsp has improved much since then
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| 09:26 | <kyron> Gadi, note: the server is Gentoo
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> oy
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| 09:26 | <kyron> I just needed the term "chroot"
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> now my head hurts
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| 09:26 | <kyron> gnehehe
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> so, you already grabbed a tarball?
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| 09:26 | for the chroot
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| 09:26 | but, you grabbed one from edgy?
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| 09:26 | <kyron> Gadi, yes
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> at least get one from feisty
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| 09:27 | if you dont want gutsy
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| 09:27 | 7.04
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| 09:27 | :)
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| 09:28 | * kyron just hates version "names" ...quite an annoyance | |
| 09:28 | <kyron> especially when they tend to sound like the state of my internal organs
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> heh
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| 09:28 | well, with each iteration the chroots been a changin
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| 09:29 | so, I couldnt even tell you if the XKBLAYOUT stuff was in edgy
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| 09:29 | tho, I would expect that it was, seeing as ogra would have hated using a us keyboard
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| 09:29 | :)
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| 09:30 | <ogra> actually i start to prefer us :) thanks to constant classmatePC usage ;)
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| 09:30 | <kyron> Gadi, XKBLAYOUT has been there for quite some time...theoretically since 3.x, but I only started using LTSP in the 4.x series
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| 09:30 | <ogra> buut yes, XKB* was supported since the very beginning ....
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| 09:31 | kyron, ltsp5 was/is a rewrite/redesign
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| 09:31 | <kyron> My problem is that the students expect to be able to switch layouts..
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| 09:31 | <ogra> so features were added over time
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| 09:31 | <kyron> ogra, LTSP5 is not a rewrite of X ;)
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| 09:31 | <ogra> do that in gnome then
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| 09:31 | kyron, X has nothing to do with lts.conf ;)
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| 09:31 | <kyron> ogra, I expect gnome to fail as miserably as kde... the problem is X related
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| 09:31 | sigh...
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| 09:31 | <ogra> no
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| 09:32 | <kyron> ogra, setxkbmap <<-- if that doesn't work than no WM can "cheat" around it...
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| 09:33 | <ogra> thats pretty weird .... setxkbmap works on all releases here
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| 09:33 | but you are right, the gnome kb selector tools all use setxkbmap
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| 09:34 | <kyron> ogra, let me guess, your server is ubuntu based?
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| 09:34 | <ogra> kyron, heh
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| 09:35 | <-- wrote about 1/3 of ltsp5 ... on ubuntu ...
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| 09:35 | so yes
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| 09:35 | since ltsp5 got developed on ubuntu the last two and a half year all my servers are ubuntu
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| 09:36 | <kyron> ogra, see, you're cheating!
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| 09:36 | gna!
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| 09:36 | <ogra> kyron, you shouldt mix versions btw ...
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| 09:37 | client and server should have the same ltsp version
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| 09:37 | <kyron> so your X keyboard mapping is obviously compatible client <-> server
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| 09:37 | ogra, O_o...
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| 09:37 | <ogra> else breakage is guaranteed
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| 09:37 | <kyron> you mean, client and server should have the same X version
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| 09:37 | <ogra> no
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| 09:37 | <kyron> ogra, historically, that isn't true
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| 09:37 | <ogra> ??
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| 09:37 | kyron, i promise you it will break
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| 09:38 | <kyron> meaning that the keyboard mapping was meant to be portable ;)
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| 09:38 | as in, independent from client--server
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| 09:40 | <kyron> ogra, here's an example of weird result, if I execute the following in a term screen, the LTSP term crashes: setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout ca -variant fr -print | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY
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| 09:41 | <ogra> define "term screen"
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| 09:41 | in an X session ? or at a terminal console
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| 09:42 | <kyron> well...in an X session obviously... that string of command would be quite...useless otherwise :)
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| 09:43 | <ogra> ?
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| 09:43 | as long as DISPLAY ia valid and you have auth rights to it it shouldnt matter
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| 09:43 | s/ia/is/
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| 09:44 | but i'm pretty sure the piping to xkbcomp isnt valid anymore ....
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| 09:44 | <kyron> ogra, hrm, I don't see $DISPLAY being used in a tty
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| 09:44 | ogra, which version of X is used in 6.x?
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> kyron: try: setxkbmap ca -print | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY
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| 09:45 | <ogra> Gadi, dont use "-print | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY"
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| 09:45 | setxkbmap ca
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| 09:45 | just that
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> well, try both
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| 09:46 | <kyron> well...that froze my term
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| 09:46 | sorry, X session
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> which ?
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| 09:46 | <kyron> the `setxkbmap ca -print | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY`
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> weird
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| 09:47 | <kyron> dberkholz, Mr X, any of this look familiar
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| 09:47 | I even loose the pointer
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> well, try what ogra said
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| 09:47 | <kyron> hdparm is missing on the LTSP image (to shut down useless HDD :P)
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| 09:49 | Hey, ogra (when you get back), are the tarballs on the web site actually functionnal chroots in the way that I could chroot into one and run some sort of `apt-get update all` type of command?
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> yes, they are
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| 09:51 | <kyron> recommended (surely not :P )
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> go fo rit
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| 09:51 | the mirrors are probably the basic ones
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| 09:51 | not the updates
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| 09:51 | do: apt-get update
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| 09:51 | and apt-get upgrade
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| 09:51 | in the chroot
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| 09:52 | and see if it updates
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| 09:52 | <kyron> I'll try that later :P
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> also, you can apt-get hdparm in there, if you like
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| 09:52 | :)
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| 09:52 | <kyron> ogra, Gadi : the setxkbmap ca / setxkbmap us do work ;)
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| 09:53 | <Gadi> ah, great
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| 09:53 | <kyron> now to convince kxkb to _use_ that approach :/
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| 09:53 | <Gadi> must be xkbcomp on the gentoo side that is incompaible?
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| 09:54 | <kyron> actually, I just tried that from a simple blackbox console...not a kde session
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| 09:54 | Gadi, define compatible ;)
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| 09:54 | <cdealer__> how can I set ltsp to mount pen-drive with suporte for utf8 file names ?
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| 09:54 | when I open my pen-drive on the server or other local machine any word witch special characters are displayed normal but on the clients every special character becames some strange letter...
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> ie computes a keymap that can be loaded into the xserver on the ubuntu side
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| 09:54 | :)
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| 09:55 | <kyron> imho, Gentoo is one of the distribs that respects closely the original packages compared to most others.
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| 09:58 | <ogra> kyron, you could upgarde a chroot to a newer release, through chrooting into it, but the changes between release were so massive in the past that it will likely break stuff
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| 09:58 | <Gadi> cdealer__: you will need to modify /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/udev/add_fstab_entry
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| 09:58 | <ogra> general upgrade instruction in ubuntu and debian for the client is to rebuild the client chroot
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| 09:59 | that will change in the next releases, i dont expect such massive changes anymore
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| 09:59 | <Gadi> cdealer__: and modify the line 'echo /dev/........ >> ${FSTAB}' - change "defaults" to whatever options are needed to mount with utf chars"
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| 09:59 | <kyron> ogra, so I figured...
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| 10:00 | now, for some reason, the setxkbmap doesn't work under kde :/... weird...very
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| 10:00 | <Gadi> cdealer__: probably "utf8"
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| 10:01 | <ogra> we should probably default to mount with utf8 option ....
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| 10:01 | <cdealer__> Gadi: thanks gadi, I will try it
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| 10:01 | =)
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| 10:01 | <ogra> i know scott wanted to look into multi language support for ltspfs since quite some time
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| 10:02 | <Gadi> I believe that should work
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| 10:02 | <ogra> i'm ot sure that gets properly forwarded by ltspfs ...
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| 10:02 | *not
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| 10:02 | <Gadi> especially, if ur media is always: vfat, ntfs, or iso9660
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| 10:03 | ah
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| 10:03 | well, worth a shot
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| 10:03 | :)
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| 10:03 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:04 | <kyron> ogra, you might be able to answer this one: Why does the X server no respawn on a CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE (from login screen)
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| 10:04 | <Gadi> cdealer__: let us know if it works
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| 10:05 | kyron: that was fixed later
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| 10:05 | <kyron> oh... LOL
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| 10:05 | <Gadi> gutsy? feisty?
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| 10:05 | <kyron> Gadi, vomit
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| 10:05 | <Gadi> heh
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| 10:05 | <kyron> 6.x
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| 10:05 | <laga> ogra: you were right. unionfs on nfs is still broken if NFS is the RW branch. they just fixed unionfs for when NFS is the ro branch
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| 10:05 | <ogra> which 6.X ?
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| 10:05 | <Gadi> I think the ldm was not in a loop before, so when you killed X X just, well, died
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| 10:05 | <kyron> is the one I run... and I was told the 7.x was harder to get working out of the box
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| 10:06 | ogra, the one on the web site :P
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| 10:06 | <ogra> kyron, stop using the x please
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| 10:06 | <kyron> ogra, * then?
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| 10:06 | <Gadi> kyron: 6.10 is diff from 6.04
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| 10:06 | <kyron> ogra: ubuntu_6.10_i386
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| 10:06 | <ogra> you dont help yourself if you dont tell the right version :)
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| 10:06 | thanks
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| 10:07 | as the version number indicates there are usually 6 months between the releases
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| 10:07 | so there are huge differences
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| 10:07 | <kyron> ogra, sorry, I thought it was "common knowledge" which ones are available on the LTSP site (only `Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) i386 ` and `Ubuntu feisty (pre-prelease) i386`)
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| 10:08 | <ogra> i didnt upload them there, dont blame me :)
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| 10:08 | and i actually only saw that page twice in my life :)
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| 10:08 | my users usually use ltsp-build-client and not tarballs :)
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| 10:08 | <kyron> hehehehe
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| 10:09 | I don't ;)
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| 10:09 | <ogra> well, you are not the typical ubuntu user :)
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| 10:09 | <kyron> ogra, hey, would that ltsp-build-client work under gentoo or does it _expect_ the server to be [k]ubuntu?
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| 10:09 | ogra, oh definately not ;)
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| 10:09 | <ogra> the thing with ltsp5 is that it relies on being integrated very deeply into the distro
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| 10:10 | <kyron> I install it for windows users but that is the limit of my interaction with the buntu series ;)
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| 10:10 | <ogra> you will miss a good bunch of stuff on the server side with gentoo
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| 10:10 | <laga> ogra: i like the integration with ubuntu
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| 10:10 | <kyron> ogra, I know: http://wiki.neuralbs.com/index.php/Gentoo_Diskless_Client
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| 10:10 | <ogra> saying thins i think using the 6.10 client setup migth actually be the best
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| 10:11 | <kyron> ogra, which is the one i am using atm...
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| 10:11 | <ogra> you will at least get sound (even though crappy since its esd based)
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| 10:11 | <kyron> ogra, ...so...killing X means I need to reboot huh^
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| 10:11 | ogra, LOL
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| 10:12 | <ogra> ctrl-alt-bs works fine here
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| 10:12 | i cant remember how it wax in 6.10 though
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| 10:12 | <kyron> that link is to some old notes of mine on building an SSI. when I finish my studies I might get more time to integrate LTSP5 into GEntoo ;)
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| 10:12 | <ogra> ont expect my mind to reach 2 years in the past :)
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| 10:12 | <kyron> ehehheeh
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| 10:12 | well, it won't respawn here
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| 10:13 | <ogra> dberkholz, started a gentoo port and there is a page for it somewhere as well but it was never finished
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| 10:13 | (and given that the page is even very old much of the stuff might not be valid anymore)
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| 10:13 | <kyron> ogra, yeah...I know the guy ;)
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| 10:14 | ogra, don't rely on the page, the work is somewhere else iirc
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| 10:14 | <cdealer__> changing the add_fstab_entry file I need to rebuild image or anything like this ?
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| 10:14 | <ogra> kyron, right ... but still there were many changes since
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| 10:15 | like alsa support ... ldm rewrite ... and recently switching away from nfs
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| 10:16 | <kyron> ogra, yeah, the switch away from NFS is the one that intrigues me the most...
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| 10:17 | <ogra> yeah, its really fast and slim :)
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| 10:18 | <kyron> ogra, ...hmmm...fast..slim.. good for cluster nodes??
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| 10:18 | <ogra> you mean to netboot clusters with a modified variant ?
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| 10:18 | <kyron> ogra, I made my own images
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| 10:18 | <cdealer__> changing the add_fstab_entry file I need to rebuild image or anything like this ? =)
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| 10:19 | <ogra> or to boot clients from a cluster ?
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| 10:19 | <kyron> the usual problem is that the kernel only supports NFS as the root...
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| 10:19 | <ogra> not with ubuntus initramfs-tools
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| 10:19 | <kyron> ogra, boot the nodes from a server which serves the `diskless` nodes with a boot image
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| 10:19 | <ogra> adding support for anything is a breeze with that
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| 10:19 | <laga> ogra: well, not with your additions :)
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| 10:19 | <ogra> ah
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| 10:19 | yeah, that should be trivial with ltsp
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| 10:19 | <kyron> laga, hehehe
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| 10:20 | <ogra> laga, well, my nbd script is actually the nfs script with probably 20 lines added
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| 10:20 | <laga> ogra: yup
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| 10:20 | <kyron> oh207, I'm not thinking of using LTSP for that, I mean to say future SSI will probably go NBD instead of NFS
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| 10:20 | <ogra> and ten ripped out or so
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| 10:20 | <laga> ogra: i've spent a lot of time in both scripts :)
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| 10:21 | <cdealer__> Gadi: there are any need to rebuild the image after changing that file ?
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| 10:21 | <kyron> ah craps... it seems my keyboard problem is dug deep into KDE somehow. switching with setxkbmap works under blackbox but not under kde O_o
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| 10:22 | <ogra> cdealer__, every time you change something below /opt/ltsp/$ARCH you need to rebuild
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| 10:22 | <cdealer__> hmm okay didnt know
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| 10:23 | <ogra> cdealer__, i'm working on something t make it easier for you :) http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-image-shell/
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| 10:23 | but i'm very short on time atm so no promises it will be out soon
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| 10:23 | <laga> ogra: i want that for mythbuntu-control-centre
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| 10:23 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:24 | i need to put the bzr branch up somewhere
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| 10:24 | its basically working and should be a good base for people to contribute/enhance
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| 10:24 | <cdealer__> ogra: that will be nice
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| 10:24 | <laga> ogra: in fact, i was going to add something similar. just a few buttons like "give me a shell inside the chroot", "launch a package manager", "commit changes to squashfs" [run ltsp-update-image]
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| 10:25 | <ogra> right
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| 10:25 | i was planning synaptic and update-manager integration as well
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| 10:25 | <laga> well, unless i get a working unionfs it'll have to wait another 6 months
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| 10:26 | <cdealer__> ogra: why the shutdown/reboot buttons are not in the client gnome ?
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| 10:26 | * ogra thinks some far day in the future he will even finish http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ | |
| 10:26 | <ogra> cdealer__, in the logout dialog ?
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| 10:26 | <cdealer__> ogra: yep
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| 10:27 | <ogra> they come from the locally running gnome-power-manager :)
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| 10:27 | so the shutdown/reboot would actually apply to the server :)
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| 10:27 | you likely dont want that
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| 10:27 | <laga> ogra: wow. i have to steal that progress dialog from you :)
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| 10:27 | <kyron> ogra, so, if I get this right, one of the big changes in LTSP5 is NBD being used as the net mounted root protocol instead of NFS... apart from getting that to work...
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| 10:28 | <ogra> kyron, you mean vs the 4.x series of ltsp ?
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| 10:28 | <kyron> yeah
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| 10:28 | <ogra> no
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| 10:28 | nbd is just the latest addition to ltsp5 ...
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| 10:28 | ltsp5 is a completely new design
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| 10:29 | <cdealer__> adding the iocharset=utf8 inside the /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/udev/add_fstab_entry worked =)
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| 10:29 | <ogra> while all former versions were their own monolithic builds of a minimal linux system uses ltsp5 the packages of the hosting distro to assemble the client
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| 10:29 | which means a) we dont need to care for kernel, X, hardware detection etc ....
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| 10:30 | <Gadi> cdealer__: excellent! thx for reporting back
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| 10:30 | <kyron> ogra, yeah, with the ltspfs and all...which means I also need to integrate that into the server somehow.. well, this is a discussion I would be better to have with dberkholz anyways, he's been staying on top of things on that front
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> cdealer__: did you just change 'defaults' to 'iocharset=utf8' ?
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| 10:31 | <kyron> ogra, I know all that ;) That was the intent of the MueKow project ;)
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| 10:31 | <cdealer__> Gadi: defaults,iocharset=utf8
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| 10:31 | <ogra> GRRR
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| 10:31 | <cdealer__> Gadi: every strange character now is looking normal
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| 10:31 | * ogra shakes his fist in direction where he suspects the AP sits in this office | |
| 10:31 | <ogra> kyron, right
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| 10:32 | so we dont need to care for more than the ltsp scripts
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| 10:32 | <kyron> of course, making Jim happy ;)
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| 10:32 | <ogra> the whole ltsp source is about 200k big nowadays
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| 10:32 | <kyron> hehehehehe, yeah..woot!
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| 10:32 | <ogra> if you compare tat to the big tarball blob they had to build before .....
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| 10:33 | and we can just rely on the kernel team of our distro to care for the kernel ... the X team for X etc
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| 10:33 | <kyron> yeah, made less sense
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| 10:33 | but it was the easiest way for it to "just work"
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| 10:33 | <ogra> installing a restricted driver because you have an nvidia in your client takes only some minutes instead of hours/days
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| 10:33 | <kyron> ogra, which is essentially the Gentoo philosophy :P
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| 10:34 | <ogra> not really
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| 10:34 | <kyron> oh yeah! especially that
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| 10:34 | ogra, oh, though you were a ubuntu user :P
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| 10:34 | <ogra> i'm talking about distr teams (the ubuntu kernel team or X team in my case)
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| 10:34 | not about upstream X or kernel :)
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| 10:35 | <kyron> ok, so we're cheating...but we do have teams ;)
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| 10:35 | <ogra> heh :)
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| 10:36 | <kyron> anyhow, my kde is not playing nice with setxkbmap somehow :(
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| 10:36 | * ogra cant say aything about KDE | |
| 10:36 | <ogra> last time i used it the version started with a 1
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| 10:37 | <kyron> lol... that goes _way_ back
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| 10:40 | <ogra> i pretty quickly switched to gnome when it started becoming usable
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| 10:42 | <warren> sorry I've been away for a few days
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| 10:42 | food poisoning, I was in pretty bad shape
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> ogra: havve there been issues booting gutsy live cd from qemu/virtualbox?
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| 10:43 | <Q-FUNK> warren: is everything back to normal?
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| 10:43 | <kyron> ogra, that's a human interfacing issue, Mac users are better off with Gnome where as Win users might be easier to accomodate under KDE.
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| 10:44 | <cdealer__> Hey.. other litle problem here... diskets are not mouting on clients... there is no activity with the disket driver
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| 10:44 | <warren> Q-FUNK, not exactly
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| 10:44 | Q-FUNK, I'm trying to get back up to speed at work now
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| 10:44 | <cdealer__> pen-drives and cds are mouting normaly
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| 10:50 | <Q-FUNK> :(
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| 10:54 | <cdealer__> ogra: you know why only disket are not mouting on the client ??
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| 10:54 | <cliebow_> anyone use aa promise sata controller in edgy successfully
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| 10:58 | <cdealer__> ogra1: you know why only disket are not mouting on the client ??
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| 11:06 | <johnny> my floppies stopped mounting
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| 11:06 | <cdealer__> johnny: my too
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| 11:06 | =)
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| 11:06 | <johnny> but i don't know why, didn't see any ltsp package changes
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| 11:06 | so it might not be related
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| 11:07 | <cdealer__> johnny: but cds and pendrives mounts without problems
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| 11:07 | <johnny> yes
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| 11:07 | and?
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| 11:07 | <cdealer__> so you have the same problem that I do
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| 11:08 | <johnny> but as i said, i dont' recall any package changes
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| 11:08 | <cdealer__> still waiting for some answer or idea on how to workaround this
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| 11:08 | <johnny> for ltsp
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| 11:08 | so it might not be their faults
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| 11:09 | <cdealer__> may be not, but they are who knows what are talking..
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| 11:09 | :)
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| 11:09 | <johnny> doesn't mean they will solve other random problems for you
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| 11:09 | i haven't had a chance to look into why it doesn't work yet tho
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| 11:09 | <cdealer__> johnny: whats random on this? Diskets doesnt mount...
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| 11:09 | <johnny> sure. but they used to
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| 11:10 | and no ltsp package changes
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| 11:10 | so.. it's prolly not to do with ltsp
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| 11:10 | <cdealer__> johnny: sometime only diskets was mouting, after a tip of ogra my pendrives and cdroms start mouting but diskets have stoped
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| 11:10 | <johnny> yes.. i had to do that too
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| 11:11 | it's a registered bug in launchpad
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| 11:11 | <cdealer__> johnny: my problem is not disket in general, but diskets in ltsp clients
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| 11:11 | <johnny> i don't have a floppy drive
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| 11:11 | in my server
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| 11:11 | to verify
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| 11:12 | <cdealer__> so I think it have to do with ltsp, on the server everything mounts fine
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| 11:13 | <johnny> i'll take a look into it when i get a moment
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| 11:13 | i'm not near my installs atm
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| 11:13 | going to go there later tonight
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| 11:14 | i'm closing the store by myself tho.. so i'll see if i can make some time
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> cdealer__: can you log into your client's console (on ctrl-alt-f1)
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| 11:15 | if you can, log in and cat /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
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| 11:16 | look for the floppy drive in there
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| 11:16 | <cdealer__> Gadi: I will first need to change the lts.conf and then reboot the clietn.. just a minute
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> ok
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| 11:16 | <ogra1> Gadi, floppies are handled by delayed-mounter
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> also, I am assuming this is gutsy?
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| 11:16 | <cdealer__> yes
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> ogra1: yes, but they need an entry in ltspfs_fstab first
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| 11:16 | <ogra1> no
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| 11:17 | <Gadi> no?
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| 11:17 | huh
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| 11:17 | <ogra1> delayed-mounter should add that
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| 11:17 | <cdealer__> so ... what I must do ?
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| 11:17 | <Gadi> no it doesnt
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| 11:17 | not in gutsy
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| 11:17 | delayedmounter the ldm rc.d script?
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| 11:18 | <ogra1> hmm
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> cdealer__: cat /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
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| 11:18 | <ogra1> yes, its the rc.d one
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> the rc.d just ssh ltspfsmounters everything in ltspfs_fstab
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| 11:19 | so, udev needs to have put it there
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| 11:19 | its all about udev
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| 11:19 | :)
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| 11:20 | <johnny> udev == awesome
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| 11:21 | PC floppy drives == the sux0r
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| 11:21 | <cdealer__> Gadi: the first entry is for the disket
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> ok, thats good
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| 11:23 | are you logged into ldm on the other screen?
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| 11:23 | <cdealer__> Gadi: yeap, I saw before and after login the entry is the same
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| 11:24 | and the disket is dead
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| 11:24 | <Gadi> the disk appears as a drive but you cannot access it?
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| 11:24 | or it does not appear at all?
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| 11:25 | <cdealer__> it does not appear at all... and if I go to computer > floppy drive it gives me an error saying that cannot mount
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> well, Computer > Floppy Drive is the *server*'s floppy
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| 11:26 | if you open a terminal window and do: ls /media/$USER
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| 11:26 | <ogra1> a client floppy drive should have a persistent icon on the desktop iirc
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> what do you see?
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| 11:28 | <cdealer__> Gadi: there are no /media/$USER
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| 11:28 | not for this user
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| 11:28 | ogra1: there are no icon on the desktop ...
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> cdealer__: are there any other local drives?
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| 11:32 | or just the floppy?
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| 11:32 | <cdealer__> Gadi: I can use pendrive and cdrom without problems, both mounts on the desktop
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| 11:33 | Gadi: What im still having problem is with the disket and the sound (i think that there is nothign to do with the disket problem)
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> ok, try this: go back to the console screen on the thin client and type:
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| 11:35 | ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm*socket server "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /var/run/drives/floppy0"
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| 11:36 | (I know its a mouthful)
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| 11:36 | in other words, try executing the command that delayed_mounter (/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S10-delayed-mounter) would run
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| 11:37 | <cdealer__> okay
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| 11:37 | just a sec...
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| 11:38 | <ogra1> Gadi, he probably should just add the -X to delayed-mounter :P
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| 11:40 | * Gadi thinks the same | |
| 11:40 | <cdealer__> Gadi: okay, now it mounted the disket in the desktop and I could access the disket files from the client (I had to add "add" after floppy0 )
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> ok - edit /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S10-delayed-mounter and add a -X option to the ssh line
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| 11:41 | it was noticably absent in the gutsy release
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| 11:41 | ogra1: whats the deal with getting upgrades into gutsy?
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| 11:41 | <johnny> yeah.. like the other local dev bug
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| 11:42 | <ogra1> Gadi, a good bunch of paperwork .... then a long time for the package in -proposed ....
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| 11:43 | <Gadi> ah... gone are the days of just bribing jim with enough beer
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| 11:49 | <cdealer__> how the clients plays sounds?
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| 11:52 | <johnny> hmm, so .. perhaps a silly question, but where are the files that decide what specific versions of a package go in the chroot
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| 11:52 | my cairo in the chroot for example, does not match the one on the server, and it doesn't give me a choice when trying to upgrade it
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| 11:57 | <cdealer__> Gadi: the client connects to teh server with pulseaudio ?
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> cdealer__: the client runs pulseaudio daemon and sets an environment variable on the server upon login (if SOUND=True
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| 11:58 | on the server, it creates a pulseaudio device as a virtual sound card for ALSA
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| 11:58 | so, when apps use ALSA, the sound should get played on the "pulse" sound card which really redirects it to the pulseaudio daemon on the client
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| 11:59 | <johnny> now if only i could figure out
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| 11:59 | why the volume controls on the clients adjust the server volume
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| 11:59 | <cdealer__> Gadi: but on the server there are no pulseaudio, how do I see if this pulse driver its on the serveR?
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| 12:00 | <vagrantc> johnny: because they're connected to the wrong sound card
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| 12:01 | <johnny> shouldn't it default to local?
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| 12:01 | <vagrantc> johnny: are you logged in to the server? then that is "local"
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| 12:01 | <cdealer__> Gadi: there are no SOUND variable
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> SOUND in lts.conf
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| 12:01 | <cdealer__> Hmmmm
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| 12:01 | <johnny> i have folks logged into the clients and server
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> in lts.conf, you should have: SOUND=True
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| 12:01 | <cdealer__> i thought it was default
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| 12:01 | <johnny> the server is used as a point of sale terminal and music player
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| 12:03 | <cdealer__> I will reboot the clietn to see if the sound gets played
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> Gadi: SOUND=True is only necessary on older versions...
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| 12:05 | <ogra1> Gadi, not needed anymore
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| 12:06 | vagrantc, made it check for the sound software ... if its there sound gets started
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| 12:06 | * vagrantc made lots of checks like that | |
| 12:06 | <Gadi> check for what sound software?
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> pulse, esound, or nasd, i think ...
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| 12:07 | look in ltsp_config
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| 12:07 | <Gadi> but, you can still set SOUND=False, right?
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| 12:07 | or SOUND=N
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 12:07 | it only sets a default if it's undefined
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| 12:07 | <Gadi> when did you merge that code? is it in gutsy?
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> definitely in gutsy ...
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> huh
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| 12:08 | good tip
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| 12:08 | * Gadi is always explicit, so I don't ever remember how you default stuff :) | |
| 12:08 | <vagrantc> Gadi: all the defaults are basically in ltsp_config
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| 12:08 | * Gadi just hates the True/False Y/N controversy | |
| 12:09 | <vagrantc> controversy is over, they all work as expected
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| 12:09 | <Gadi> yeah, but everytime I hack something in, I always have to account for both
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| 12:09 | :)
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| 12:09 | just so *I* remember
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> what do you mean?
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> I mean every little shell script I write
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| 12:10 | that plays off a variable
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> I am always doing: if [ "$VAR" = "Y" -o "$VAR" = "True" ]; then ....
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> there should be function "boolean_is_true"
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| 12:12 | <ogra1> Gadi, its in since feisty iirc
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| 12:12 | <cdealer__> okay... so I think puting sound=true will not help (didnt already) =d
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| 12:12 | <ogra1> "boolean_is_true" even since edgy
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| 12:13 | * vagrantc notices that boolean_is_true is cut-and-pasted multiple places | |
| 12:13 | <Gadi> well, depending on where the script is, I may source ltsp_config or I may just eval `getltscfg -a`
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| 12:13 | ltsp_config does a lot more than parse the config
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| 12:13 | iirc
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> Gadi: always source ltsp_config, otherwise you may get inconsistant values
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| 12:14 | Gadi: all it does is sets defaults
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> inconsistent how?
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> because if you run getltscfg, and there is no value set, but ltsp_config sets the value ...
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> ah
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> you get inconsistant results
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| 12:16 | there is one advantage to setting the defaults in lts.conf- you might get a few less filesystem calls at boot
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| 12:17 | s,might,will,
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> ogra1: do you test ubuntu live cds with qemu/virtualbox?
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| 12:50 | <ogra1> Gadi, not really, but edubuntu-live :)
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> ogra1: so, what the trick?
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| 12:50 | <ogra1> trick ?
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> gutsy livecd keeps dropping into initramfs bec it cannot find the cdrom drive
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| 12:51 | <ogra1> sounds broken
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> works fine if you use it for real
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| 12:51 | (ie burn the cd)
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| 12:51 | <ogra1> no idea ... WFM
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> doesnt seem to make a /dev/hdc
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| 12:52 | hmm...
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| 12:52 | <ogra1> oh, wait, you have real CD hardware there or an image ?
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> I have an image
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| 12:52 | <ogra1> well, then i dont know ...
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> I am booting the iso image
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| 12:52 | <laga> should still work since qemu/vbox is emulating the cdrom drive
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| 12:52 | <ogra1> using an image here works just fine
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| 12:52 | * ogra1 doesnt use quemo though | |
| 12:53 | <ogra1> *qemu
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> I heard of this issue on gutsy in particular
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| 12:53 | <laga> qemo? :)
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> I tried in qemu and virtualbox
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| 12:53 | same result
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| 12:53 | drives me crazy
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| 12:54 | <cliebow_> strak raving crazy mad nutsy bow wow 8~)
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| 12:54 | <laga> cliebow_: you sound like someone who's been working with unionfs
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| 12:55 | <lns> Anyone using Compiz on thin clients? How does it work? I know Ogra said a while ago it worked pretty well - I'm assuming you should have nice thin-client vid hardware though.
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| 12:56 | <cliebow_> laga:no takes far less fro me..
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| 12:58 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i've definitely booted and installed debian using debian-installer and virtualbox ...
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| 12:58 | Gadi: using an .iso
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| 15:17 | <psycodad> hi, how can i stop kdm from starting a local display in debian etch ? in sarge i would just uncomment the corresponding line in Xservers but this file doesn't exist or is merged into kdmrc in etch
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> otavio: hey :)
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| 15:18 | otavio: did you get the upload email?
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| 15:21 | <otavio> vagrantc: yes, will do it later today
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> otavio: thanks :)
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| 15:25 | <sutula> vagrantc: I see another recent ltspfs in Etch-backports, with a different set of udev rules...is that a different approach to the problem we talked about almost a week ago, or something else?
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> sutula: it fixes the issue. the issue was i didn't quote the ATTRS{removable}="1"
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| 15:28 | sutula: tested it on etch with a real hardware thin client and a usb stick
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| 15:29 | sutula: so your "fix" probably worked more because you added quotes, and not because of the ../removable bit
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| 15:29 | <sutula> vagrantc: OK, so the hack I did before is now unnecessary? If so, I will remove it from the wiki (or you can).
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> sutula: and now we're back to just re-building for etch rather than having to add a patch :)
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| 15:29 | sutula: already removed from the wiki :)
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| 15:30 | <sutula> vagrantc: K...I missed the wiki e-mail, but sometimes it's a little slow
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| 15:31 | vagrantc: BTW, the problem with users not being able to login (I claimed unless they were members of plugdev) was my bad...so sorry to send you on a wild goose chase
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| 15:31 | <sutula> vagrantc: Most of my users are homed on an NFS-mounted filesystem, and (at least on Etch), it doesn't get mounted automatically on boot.
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| 15:32 | <vagrantc> sutula: heh
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| 15:32 | sutula: it's probably because ssh doesn't interface with pam-mount or something
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| 15:32 | <sutula> vagrantc: I have a cron script that watches for that situation, and remounts, so after I screwed around for a while (messing with group privs), the problem fixed itself :)
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| 16:16 | <kai4785> I've been able to get ltsp's PXE environment working. I was a bit suprised to not find tools like 'links' and 'wget' available. Is there somewhere I can go get those packages?
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| 16:43 | <otavio> vagrantc: upload has been done
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| 17:06 | <vagrantc> otavio: thanks :)
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| 17:06 | <vagrantc> otavio: how did lintian go? last time your upload came up with some lintian warnings that mine didn't
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| 17:07 | <otavio> vagrantc: fine. Just complained about the config for debconf
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| 17:07 | <vagrantc> otavio: last time for ltsp ...
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| 17:07 | otavio: ah, good.
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| 17:07 | otavio: i've still never figured out how to do lintian overrides
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| 17:07 | <otavio> vagrantc: that's easy
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| 17:08 | vagrantc: you install a file inside lintian overrides dir
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| 17:08 | vagrantc: and put the warning code there
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| 17:08 | vagrantc: http://lintian.debian.org/manual/ch2.html see 2.4
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| 17:15 | <sutula> vagrantc: If I pull in the new ltspfs on the server, do I have to completely rebuild the client chroot, or can I update it somehow?
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> otavio: yeah, i've tried it before, and still never gotten it to work
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| 17:17 | sutula: as long as the version in the chroot is 5.0.39+, you should be able to just update ... i think
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| 17:18 | <sutula> vagrantc: Hmmm...ltspfs isn't installed in the chroot, but the resulting udev rules are, right?
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| 17:21 | * sutula isn't sure how to "be able to just update" | |
| 17:31 | <vagrantc> sutula: ltspfsd is installed in the chroot
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| 17:31 | sutula: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update ; chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get upgrade
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| 17:32 | <sutula> vagrantc: K, thanks much!
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| 17:41 | <mathesis> !universalbot
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| 17:41 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "universalbot" is not a valid command.
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| 17:41 | <mathesis> !universalboot
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| 17:41 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "universalboot" is not a valid command.
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| 17:41 | <mathesis> !Floppy Universal
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| 17:41 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "Floppy" is not a valid command.
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| 17:42 | <mathesis> se vagrantc
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| 17:42 | how can i search universal floppy with ltspbot?
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| 18:02 | <vagrantc> !bootfloppy
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| 18:02 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 18:32 | <ltsp_user> anyone have a clue how to get firefox/flash running with DSP sound, or any sound?
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| 19:03 | <lns> ltsp_user, i386 server or amd64?
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| 19:04 | anyway, if it's i386 on the server see http://pulseaudio.revolutionlinux.com/PulseAudio
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