IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 December 2011 (all times are UTC)
| 00:59 | <andygraybeals> Hyperbyte, yes, cable management
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| 00:59 | Hyperbyte, i was just curious man.. i'm trying to do the best i can with it myself. i liked the look of what you did.
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| 01:01 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 01:01 | I'll take some better & more detailed pictures when it's all finished
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| 01:01 | I'm just glad I've got all the patch cables and patch panels and wall contacts done.
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| 01:02 | Not patch cables, but network cables, I mean.
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| 01:22 | <andygraybeals> looks good :)
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| 13:25 | <andygraybeal> trying out 'empathy' for irc
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| 13:27 | <muppis> Works quite well.
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| 13:29 | <andygraybeal> muppis: do you use it?
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| 13:30 | <muppis> Used to use it sometimes.
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| 13:30 | Now I use Irssi only.
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| 13:30 | <andygraybeal> yea, i used to use irssi
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| 13:31 | then got lazy and used xchat
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| 13:32 | <muppis> I run irssi in screen so I can access it whenever I like.
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| 13:33 | My ltsp kvm pileup looks good. :)
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| 13:56 | <andygraybeal> hmm. i was sitting here thinking, so there is that ability to log you out if your logged in more than once. i wonder if there is a way to transfer the old session to the new session. so it keeps all your apps running, but moves it over to the new login session.
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| 13:58 | roaming sessions?
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| 14:16 | <muppis> andygraybeal, no directly, but with FreeNX.
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| 14:23 | <stgraber> andygraybeal: X doesn't support it as different X servers (your thin clients) may have different support protocols and extensions
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| 14:23 | andygraybeal: the only way of doing it is by running the session on a X server using a framebuffer as it's backend, then replicate that to your client
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| 14:24 | andygraybeal: that's what xrdp, vnc and NX do
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| 14:24 | andygraybeal: the side effect is that you won't get any client acceleration, so you'll just get compressed png/jpg of the screen from the server, you can basically forget watching a fullscreen video or 3D, or if you can that'll be at the cost of high CPU and bandwidth usage on the server
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| 16:20 | <andygraybeal> welp, it's monday. hows everyone doing so far?
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| 16:22 | nobodies broken anything yet? come on!
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| 16:22 | :P
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| 16:23 | i'm still fighting with zentyal ldap and ltsp :) i got it to work once, but i guess i was doing it very convoluted.
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| 16:23 | i'm trying a simpler approach now.
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| 16:23 | <khildin> hehe
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| 16:24 | <andygraybeal> heya khildin.
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| 16:24 | <knipwim> andygraybeal: what's the advantage of ldap?
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| 16:24 | <andygraybeal> knipwim: one user database.
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| 16:25 | i'll have one user database for all my applications.
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| 16:26 | <knipwim> and you can use multiple application servers
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| 16:26 | check, makes sense :)
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| 16:26 | <andygraybeal> eventually, when i easily have the ability to do proper accounting, say for instance.. changing your password every 3 months... you don't need to rmember what system has what password and ithey won't get out of sync.
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| 16:27 | i worked in a job where every system had it's own user account.. and holy crap.. each system had a different accounting cycle.
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| 16:27 | it was horrible.
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| 16:27 | <khildin> lol
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| 16:27 | nah.... that's not horrible... that's a 'challenge' :P
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| 16:28 | <andygraybeal> omg, it's just a waste :)
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| 16:28 | the support for it was a nightmare.. we had 1000's of users.
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| 16:28 | it was so consant, i'm locked out of this or that system... etc.
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| 16:28 | <khildin> btw... will you be at fosdem in brussels in februari?
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| 16:28 | <andygraybeal> me? .. brussels... let me look at the air prices.
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| 16:29 | <khildin> for me 1,5 hours by train... ;)
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| 16:29 | <andygraybeal> holy crap $600 and less. round trip.
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| 16:30 | i'm not a developer man :)
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| 16:31 | <khildin> me neither... but there will be a lot of interesting people to meet
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| 16:31 | <andygraybeal> i think i'm more or less an ignorant monkey trying to get this all to work.
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| 16:31 | <khildin> LMAO...
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| 16:31 | a bit simmilar like steve ballmer... :P
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| 16:32 | <andygraybeal> where is the actual schedule
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| 16:32 | ah feb 4-5
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| 16:32 | <khildin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edN4o8F9_P4
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| 16:32 | yes... 4-5 feb
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| 16:33 | <andygraybeal> i thought brussels was in germany
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| 16:33 | i see it's in belgium :)
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| 16:33 | <khildin> :P
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| 16:33 | <andygraybeal> aah $1000
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| 16:34 | <andygraybeal> lemme keep loking
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| 16:35 | $730
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| 16:35 | yea, looks like $700 round trip
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| 16:37 | would love to get out and do something like that, but ... :)
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| 17:58 | <andygraybeal> we got our new stove hooked up :)
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| 18:01 | er wrong channel
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| 21:04 | <bixter> is grub used after a client pxe boots?
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| 21:04 | I want to change the background image on boot
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| 21:07 | <Gadi> you are looking for plymouth, not grub
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| 21:07 | grub == bootloader
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| 21:08 | plymouth == fancy graphical bootsplash
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| 21:08 | <bixter> ah thanks!
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| 21:20 | <bixter> ok, chrooted , installed a theme, choose it as a default, update initramfs, exit out of chroot, built image and kernels and still jsut get text on boot up, any ideas?
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| 21:21 | <Gadi> text is usually a fallback if the graphics doesn't work
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| 21:21 | did you ever get graphics?
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| 21:22 | <bixter> yeah, when I first installed ltsp, i changed /pxelinux.cfg/default to take splash out to debug, put it back in and it doesnt work
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| 21:23 | <Gadi> when you say text, is it the same console text as without splash or the text-based bootsplash (with the dots)
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| 21:23 | <bixter> i mean console text
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| 21:24 | <Gadi> try chrooting in, and instead of "update-initramfs -u" use: update-initramfs -c -k <kernel-version>
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| 21:26 | <bixter> k
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| 21:27 | and ltsp-update-kernels
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| 21:27 | ?
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| 21:27 | <Gadi> outside the chroot, yes
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| 21:29 | <bixter> k, rebuilding my image. added a new package
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| 21:31 | doesnt work
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| 21:37 | <Gadi> can you run plymouth from command line on the client?
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| 21:42 | <bixter> with what options?
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| 21:46 | <bixter> plymouth show-splash doesnt do anything
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| 21:48 | hrm
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| 21:48 | /dev/fb0
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| 21:49 | <Gadi> you may need to run plymouthd
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| 21:49 | <Gadi> (the daemon)
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| 21:49 | <bixter> there is no /dev/fb0
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| 21:49 | i am running it now in debug mode and i got that
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| 21:49 | <Gadi> ah
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| 21:49 | what video chipset?
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| 21:51 | <bixter> ion2
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| 21:51 | gt218
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| 21:53 | rebooting client, the nvidia-driver needs to be installed..... i wish there was an easier method than doing this for each client, my server that builds images is amd64 and nvidia wont install since it thinks its amd64 (in the chrooted env)
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| 22:13 | <Gadi> well, nvidia is always a tricky one
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| 22:14 | <bixter> going to install a fb device
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| 22:15 | <Gadi> one of the things we are working on is a VM-bootable chroot. Once we have that, it will be trivial to boot the chroot in an x86 VM and install nvidia drivers
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| 22:15 | but, of course, that wont help you right now
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| 22:15 | :)
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| 22:16 | <bixter> :)
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| 22:16 | that sounds awesome
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| 22:23 | i use this for my mythtv diskless clients, its fantastic
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| 22:25 | <andygraybeal> vm bootable chroot... i had a hard enough time wrapping my brain around chroot 2+ yrs ago..
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| 22:25 | <bixter> i came from ibm aix and thats all we did 15 years ago. great way to secure dns
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| 22:26 | <andygraybeal> right now what i'm doing is using a vm machine that just pxe boots; peice of cake - would this be different?
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| 22:27 | all apologizes.. cause i feel like i'm always the one that never understsands this stuf
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| 22:27 | <bixter> chroot changes the root of the running session to the directory provided.
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| 22:28 | so chroot /usr/thingy
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| 22:28 | <Gadi> andygraybeal: right now the way the chroot is built and the way ltsp integrates, it is a bit invasive
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| 22:28 | <bixter> /usr/thingy becomes / of that session
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| 22:28 | <khildin> chroot says it all: CHange ROOT... :)
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| 22:28 | <Gadi> we are working towards packages that will not break other things (like upgrades) and that will be able to be booted by a VM read-write
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| 22:28 | <andygraybeal> no no , i got the change root thing guys...
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| 22:29 | <Gadi> so that you can install packages as you would a normal desktop OS
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| 22:29 | <khildin> Gadi: also on ubuntu??
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| 22:29 | not breaking anything I mean... :)
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| 22:29 | <Gadi> right
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| 22:29 | <andygraybeal> Gadi: okay.. i need to meditate on this
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| 22:29 | <Gadi> prolly first and foremost ubuntu
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| 22:29 | <khildin> cos ubuntu tends to ... uhm... how do I say this nicely.... ^^
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| 22:30 | change things
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| 22:30 | <Gadi> well, at ltsp, we grew up around "working around" the distro. but slowly but surely we are getting better at working with the distro
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| 22:30 | :)
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| 22:31 | and that will have great benefits
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| 22:31 | especially for fat client chroots
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| 22:31 | <andygraybeal> ltsp installer on alternate cd... woot!!!
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| 22:31 | <Gadi> where you would be able to boot the chroot rw in a vm and graphically install packages
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| 22:31 | <andygraybeal> Gadi: aaaah!
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| 22:32 | awesome
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| 22:32 | <khildin> I had this thought...... would it be possible to have a local copy of the chrooted image and just check if the local copy is the same as the version on server??
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| 22:32 | <Gadi> so, picture that and then shutting down the vm and running a magic ltsp-update-image-like command that wraps up the chroot and exports it
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| 22:32 | <khildin> to have less traffic at boot
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| 22:33 | <Gadi> khildin: possible. but beyond the scope of this course
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| 22:33 | :)
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| 22:33 | <khildin> especially for fat client chroot
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| 22:33 | <Gadi> it wouldnt cut down dramatically on the traffic, as most of the image filesystem gets cached cleverly
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| 22:33 | by nbd
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| 22:33 | <andygraybeal> local copy would mean i have to have a harddrive - my whole thing is not to have HD's on clients.
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| 22:33 | <Gadi> right
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| 22:33 | <khildin> but if you want to run most apps locally?
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| 22:34 | <Gadi> anyhow, gotta run
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| 22:34 | <andygraybeal> that was hfor khildin
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| 22:34 | <Gadi> keep brainstorming
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| 22:34 | :)
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| 22:34 | <khildin> harddrive.... or just a flashcard
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| 22:34 | <andygraybeal> khildin: you can with fat client mode in ltsp.. without harddrive@
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| 22:34 | not @, instead !
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| 22:35 | fatclient means that the apps run locally in memory and cpu.
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| 22:35 | thin client means that everythign runs on the server
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| 22:35 | <khildin> yes... I know...
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| 22:35 | <andygraybeal> no harddrive needed for either
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| 22:35 | okay.
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| 22:36 | <khildin> hmz... bummer that Gadi runs when it gets interesting... :P
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| 22:36 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 22:38 | <khildin> Then I am still curious what traffic fat clients generate during boot and using apps.... compared to thin clients
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| 22:38 | <andygraybeal> i wonder the same.
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| 22:41 | <khildin> I just don't understand why people bother to use thin clients while clients with a bit more processor power and memory can run all the apps locally.... it saves a LOT on server capacity
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| 22:42 | <andygraybeal> *nods :)
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| 22:42 | <khildin> I know a uni in Netherlands where they use a ATOM based server to serve 80 fat LTSP clients....
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| 22:43 | clients are also ATOM based... (D525's)
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| 22:46 | another thing that would be awesome to have: PXE boot over wireless.... without local OS... now THAT is a chalenge...
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| 22:47 | <andygraybeal> you can do it with a wap connect via ethernet ... some wifi nics support it but i guess it's very rare.. too
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| 22:47 | <khildin> or with local OS... and that OS is a local copy of the chrooted image....
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| 22:48 | problem copuld be: how to update the local image while it is in use...
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| 22:48 | <andygraybeal> like you could throw tomato on a $80 dollar router and hook it up to our pc's ethernet and boot pxe
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| 22:49 | <khildin> I would like to have laptops as LTSP clients
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| 22:49 | <andygraybeal> just turn the wap mode into client mode.
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| 22:49 | yea, nods.
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| 22:49 | <khildin> that would be great...
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| 22:50 | <andygraybeal> iuf the laptops have wifi cards that support pxe it'd work - and i hear some of them do
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| 22:50 | i don't know which ones though ;P
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| 22:50 | <khildin> I'm asking around for distri's to sell me 25 laptops for a school
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| 22:51 | preferably brazo's platform....
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| 22:51 | or something similar
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| 22:54 | <andygraybeal> brazo?
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| 22:54 | <khildin> AMD with build-in GPU
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| 22:54 | <andygraybeal> ah
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| 22:54 | new tome
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| 22:55 | to m
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| 22:55 | nm
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| 22:55 | <khildin> quite good for laptops: dualcore CPU @ 1.8Ghz... very decent GPU and 4 GB Ram... 8hr batterylife...
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| 22:57 | <khildin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_mobile_platform#Brazos_.28Fusion.29_platform_.282011.29
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| 22:58 | <andygraybeal> nice
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| 23:03 | <khildin> anyway... it's midnight overhere... I call it quits for today.... NN
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| 23:16 | <andygraybeal> i still love the splash screen :)
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| 23:16 | whoever designed it is awesome.
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| 23:16 | it is still not old :)
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| 23:16 | i like how the splash screen ... is really a splash!
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| 23:17 | it's like recursive!
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| 23:17 | a splash of a splash
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