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Channel log from 26 January 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:39 | <piet> back here to say hello and thank You again for Your help yesterday!
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| 09:41 | Especially the ones that helped me in solving my problems in setting up ltsp with desktopless server.
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| 09:42 | Last night I had been successful in setting up my workstations as fat clients finalley. And it looks as if it works fine.
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| 09:43 | I learned lots about the whole thing but of course there are still lacks in my understanding of ltsp.
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| 09:45 | My question now is : are there any blogs or wikies where I could read something about expiriences of the work with ltsp, possibilities and tips and tricks in administrating the whole thing?
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| 12:02 | <andygraybeal_> hi hi hi, okay - i started the build fat client script at 4.50am and by 7am it is done and i'm logged in to fat clients! yay
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| 12:03 | i do have some problems, the clock is 5hours off exactly, and that also happens to be my timezone, -5 gmt. lts.conf has my timeserver set, but i'm betting it's getting gmt time and not -5gmt. any suggestions?
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| 12:06 | also when i open a terminal it says: "i have no name" and it lists a bunch of groups that it cannot find. :(
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| 12:08 | hahahah, omg, this is awesome, when i typed in 'ssh andy@termserv' it responds with "you don't exist, go away!' !! hilarious
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| 12:09 | calgone, take me away.
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| 12:12 | <andygraybeal_> how do i run a gnome-terminal on my terminal server from my fat client?
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| 12:13 | or even ssh at this point to my terminal server from my fat client? maybe i'll just ssh to it from my laptop
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| 13:09 | <andygraybeal_> i downloaded and run 'ltsp-chroot' ... sudo ltsp-chroot -c -p --arch i386 ... and i get: /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot: 184: detect_vendor: not found. Mounting the package cahe is not available for your distribution. then dumps me to a 'root' prompt
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| 13:10 | i have ltsp 5.2 the regular one that comes with ubuntu 10.04
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| 13:21 | where does 'swap' memory live for a fatclient?
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| 13:27 | <andygraybeal_> can someone hold my hand with the ltsp-chroot command?
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| 13:28 | <Mava> naturally
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| 13:28 | <andygraybeal_> Mava, awesome
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| 13:28 | * Mava grabs the hand | |
| 13:28 | * andygraybeal_ swoons | |
| 13:29 | <andygraybeal_> can you tell me why i'm getting 'detect_vendor: not found' and why mounting package cache is not available for my distro?
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| 13:29 | i'm running 10.04 amd64 distro with 32bit clients
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| 13:29 | <Mava> to be honest no idea =)
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| 13:29 | <andygraybeal_> nice :)
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| 13:30 | i like your nickname
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| 13:30 | <Mava> sounds like some weird amd64 vs. i386 problem for me
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| 13:31 | but still.. never done those cross-systems before. really no idea
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| 13:31 | <andygraybeal_> i'll wait around till someone has the time to help me
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| 13:32 | <Mava> maybe good idea, sorry that couldn't help you more than just holding hand
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| 13:32 | <andygraybeal_> no prob :)
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| 13:32 | thank you :P
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| 13:32 | are you here often? i don't rmember your nick
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| 13:34 | <Mava> always, but just lurking in the background
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| 13:34 | <andygraybeal_> nice :)
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| 13:34 | what environment do you run ltsp in?
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| 13:35 | <Mava> atm. in nowhere, just keen into this project. next looking forward to study the performance in virtual servers
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| 13:35 | and you ?
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| 13:36 | <andygraybeal_> i work at a worker owned restaurant corporation and we run a small office and manufacturing division.
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| 13:36 | <Mava> nice
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| 13:37 | <andygraybeal_> i'm trying out the 'fatclient' mode versus thinclient mode... to see if it might be better for us. we've been running in 'thinclient' mode for.. i dunno a year or more.
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| 13:38 | hahah at this point, i'm several hours into it and i've switched all the clients to manually run thin.. until i can get my client straightened out as a fatty.. then i'll switch everyone else over.
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| 13:38 | <andygraybeal_> started at 4.50am.. it's not 8.38am
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| 13:38 | er now
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| 13:38 | i got a list of problems, i need to resolve :) first one being the ltsp-chroot :)
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| 13:38 | script file
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| 13:40 | <andygraybeal_> since i have manually told the clients to boot thin, i'm not in a rush or frantic any longer :)
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| 13:40 | ltsp is so configurable and easy to configure :)
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| 13:41 | i had too much sugar this morning
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| 13:42 | <Mava> seems so =D
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| 13:42 | <piet> did You allready got an answer to Your swap-question?
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| 13:42 | <andygraybeal_> piet, no
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| 13:42 | <Mava> don't worry, you will eventually resolve these problems
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| 13:42 | <andygraybeal_> Mava, yes, that is one thing i am sure of as well :)
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| 13:42 | greetings piet :)
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| 13:43 | <piet> USE_LOCAL_SWAP in lts.conf will do it localy . . .
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| 13:43 | <andygraybeal_> piet, i don't have harddrives
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| 13:43 | <muppis> nbd swap?
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| 13:44 | <piet> NBD_SWAP will do it on the server I think . . .
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| 13:44 | <andygraybeal_> muppis, i'm not sure; i am looking at the 'system resources' and my swap is 100% in use
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| 13:44 | on my fatclient
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| 13:44 | i just wondered where the swap lives because i don't have harddrives :)
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| 13:44 | <muppis> andygraybeal_, I think some reports that if it doesn't exist.
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| 13:45 | <andygraybeal_> muppis, interesting
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| 13:45 | yea, i need to throw more ram into this puppy, i got 512MB in there now
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| 13:45 | <muppis> andygraybeal_, what swapon -s says?
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| 13:46 | <andygraybeal_> says, the command could not be located because '/sbin' is not included in the PATH environment variale. this is most likely caused by the lack of administrative priviledges assiated with your usera ccount,
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| 13:47 | <andygraybeal_> i guess i don't know how to do root on my fat client yet
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| 13:47 | i feel like a fish out of water here, with my first fat client go round.
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| 13:48 | sudo kind of laughs at me and says unknown id.
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| 13:48 | <muppis> Funny. At my desktop I can run swapon command as regular user.
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| 13:48 | <andygraybeal_> yea, i can't help but wonder if i mucked something entirely
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| 13:49 | ah.. i just ran ./swapon -s in the /sbin directory
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| 13:49 | and it worked
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| 13:49 | says: /dev/ramzswap0 partition 127032 126936 100
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| 13:49 | <muppis> Most /sbin executables can be accessed directly.
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| 13:50 | There you go. With 512 of ram, no wonder if it is 100% used.
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| 13:50 | <andygraybeal_> i'm just curious, where is this swap at?
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| 13:51 | i don't have a harddrive locally on the fat client
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| 13:51 | so i assume it's on the main server
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| 13:51 | <muppis> That it ramdrive made at your client's ram.
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| 13:51 | <andygraybeal_> aah weird
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| 13:52 | so it has a swap drive made out of ram :)
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| 13:52 | hilarious
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| 13:52 | <muppis> Yeah. :)
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| 13:52 | <andygraybeal_> okay, priority is to get more ram in this thing
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| 13:52 | i got some laying around here somehwere
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| 13:52 | <piet> as long as You don't have enough why not running it on the server?
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| 13:53 | <andygraybeal_> piet, lightning.
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| 13:53 | <muppis> yes, nbd_swap can be a solution.
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| 13:53 | <piet> I think so
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| 13:53 | <andygraybeal_> what is nbd_swap ?
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| 13:53 | is it swap on the server?
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| 13:53 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 13:53 | <piet> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man5/lts.conf.5.html
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| 13:54 | <andygraybeal_> sounds confusing and possibly slow
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| 13:54 | <piet> confusing no but slow probabely, why not trying it?
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| 13:54 | <muppis> But usable until you get more ram to clients.
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| 13:54 | <andygraybeal_> i'll give it a shot :)
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| 13:55 | <andygraybeal_> it says i need to edit /etc/hosts.allow .. now is this on the server or the chroot?
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| 13:55 | <muppis> On server.
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| 13:56 | <andygraybeal_> do i need to restart networking if i edit hosts.allow?
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| 13:56 | <muppis> No.
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| 13:56 | <andygraybeal_> rock!
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| 13:57 | <piet> don't know I'm newie as You, but I think in the client config because this makes the connection being kept alive I guess
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| 13:58 | <muppis> Need to hit the road.
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| 13:58 | <andygraybeal_> piet, i'm infinite newb. everyday is a new day for me
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| 13:58 | <muppis> Bye for today.
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| 13:58 | <andygraybeal_> muppis, thank you man
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| 13:58 | <muppis> No prob.
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| 13:59 | <piet> :)
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| 14:00 | <piet> Im trying around like You do at the moment . . .
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> andygraybeal_: put this line in your /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf: SIZE=512
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| 14:01 | (you need to create that file)
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| 14:01 | !nocompcache
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| 14:01 | <ltsp> alkisg: nocompcache: compcache is a module that compresses 25% of the client RAM and uses it as swap space. In LTSP we have NBD_SWAP though, so it's better to disable compcache by putting nocompcache as a kernel parameter in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> Also do that ^ to remove the compressed ram swap drive
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| 14:01 | <andygraybeal_> alkisg, okay thank you
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> And finally put NBD_SWAP=True in lts.conf
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| 14:02 | Then for a single test client put LTSP_FATCLIENT=True, so that one boots as fat
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| 14:02 | And boot it and see the memory usage etc
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| 14:03 | <andygraybeal_> after i edit pxelinix.cfg/default - do i rebuild the image?
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> No, for noone of those do you need to rebuild or update the image
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| 14:04 | <andygraybeal_> rock!
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| 14:07 | alkisg, okay sadly, i'm afraid to make a change to the /var/lib/tftboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default ... here is my file: http://pastebin.com/hPjjdtbk -- where do i add 'nocompcache ?
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nocompcache nbdport=2000
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| 14:08 | <piet> @alkisg I already asked this morning if tere is any blogs or wikis around where one can find administrational tips ans tricks . . .
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| 14:08 | do You know places like this?
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> piet: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/
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| 14:13 | <piet> @alkisg thanx that gives me plenty to read. Something like that I was looking for but havn't been succussful until now . . .
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| 14:14 | <andygraybeal_> alkisg, okay, i don't think my nbd swap got mounted. how can i make sure?
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| 14:14 | i re-checked all the config files you told mje to update, and i think they are okay
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> andygraybeal_: do you have a shell on the client?
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| 14:15 | <andygraybeal_> yes, i'm running gnome-terminal on the client
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> If you run `hostname`, is that your client hostname, or your server hostname?
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| 14:16 | <andygraybeal_> it shows ltsp54, the client
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> And what's the output of `free` ?
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| 14:17 | <andygraybeal_> http://pastebin.com/A6WnuFzC
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> You did disable compcache, but you didn't enable NBD_SWAP, let's see
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| 14:18 | getltscfg -a => does this show NBD_SWAP=True?
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| 14:18 | <andygraybeal_> hm okay
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| 14:18 | (on the clien or the server?)
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> Client
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| 14:19 | <andygraybeal_> nope, lemme edit it again
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| 14:19 | maybe i was just confused
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| 14:19 | <xsl> is there any bug on LTSP ( ubuntu 10.04 ) that can cause IRQ interrupts on network cards ( r8169 driver ) ?
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| 14:20 | <andygraybeal_> hmm...aah i have it in the wrong location... in the file
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> xsl: LTSP isn't related to interrupts in network cards. You only get the problem with ltsp and notwith a local installation or live usb stick?
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| 14:22 | <xsl> its an ltsp server, randomly gets IRQ interrupts on the network card facing "ltsp clients"
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| 14:22 | <andygraybeal_> alkisg, awesome, i got it this time :)
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> Nice, any other problems?
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| 14:22 | <xsl> people told me to disable APCI on ltsp server, but dunno if there is another best practice to do related to networking
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| 14:23 | <alkisg> xsl: LTSP servers are regular machines, not PXE-booted, so for any driver etc problems it's best that you check your distro channels, #ubuntu, or even the kernel mailing lists etc
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| 14:24 | You don't even need to mention that you're using ltsp to them
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| 14:24 | <andygraybeal_> alkisg, i can't get ltsp-chroot to run properly it says: sudo ltsp-chroot -c -p --arch i386 ... and i get: /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot: 184: detect_vendor: not found. Mounting the package cahe is not available for your distribution. then dumps me to a 'root' prompt
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| 14:24 | <xsl> yeah im asking there aswell ... i was just trying to see if here anyone had a similar problem
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| 14:24 | ty alkisg and sorry if it was a bad issue to talk here
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> xsl: the #ltsp channel is open to general discussions, I'm just saying that you have better chances asking elsewhere
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| 14:25 | andygraybeal_: what's your distribution?! ubuntu? which version?
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| 14:25 | <andygraybeal_> ubuntu 10.04
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| 14:25 | i d/l'd the ltsp-chroot from svn
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| 14:25 | from the fatclient page on LTSP ubuntu pages
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> Ah. Let me try it here...
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| 14:26 | <andygraybeal_> brb, pee and update coffee
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| 14:27 | <xsl> btw a related topic issue :) i'm trying xubuntu instead of ubuntu, seems to be more light to have xfce4 in a thin-client enviroment than gnome
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| 14:27 | the build image process is the same tough, right?
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> xsl: the thin images don't have any desktop environment at all, yes, the procedure is the same.
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| 14:29 | <andygraybeal_> okay back
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> andygraybeal_: you need an older version of ltsp-chroot, because this new one that you downloaded needs more files
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| 14:31 | Let me get you the last one without the plugins system...
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| 14:31 | <andygraybeal_> awesome, is it easy to browse back through the versions?
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| 14:31 | awesome, maybe pastiebin would be good
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| 14:31 | or url atleast
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> url, wait...
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| 14:32 | <andygraybeal_> <- supah patient
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> andygraybeal_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/1776/server/scripts/debian/ltsp-chroot
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| 14:36 | <andygraybeal_> rock!
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> But please update the wiki with that link
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| 14:37 | <andygraybeal_> yes!!!
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| 14:37 | i will.. last time ihad probs with getting an acount.. lemme try agian
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| 14:38 | i switched email providers from an isp to myself.. so i hope that solves the issue
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| 14:46 | <xsl> the admin guide does not talk about fat-clients
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| 14:46 | *Admin Reference Guide
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| 14:46 | what wiki you guys talking about, if you dont mind sharing
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| 14:46 | * xsl is still young on ltsp :P | |
| 14:46 | <andygraybeal_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 14:46 | that's the meat :)
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| 14:46 | <xsl> ok ubuntu wiki
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| 14:49 | <andygraybeal_> gah, no vim in my chroot, villains
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| 14:50 | <xsl> *bastards*
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| 14:51 | :D
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| 14:51 | <andygraybeal_> :)
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| 14:51 | <xsl> do you know a firewall doc for LTSP environments?
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| 14:51 | <andygraybeal_> yea
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| 14:51 | hold on
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| 14:51 | <xsl> mainly i can port anything to ufw if it shows me iptables rules
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| 14:51 | tyvm andygraybeal_
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| 14:53 | <andygraybeal_> i don't know exactly what you need, but this is all i needed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT/
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| 14:53 | i have two nics.
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| 14:54 | if you need more, i can't help ;(
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| 14:54 | you probably know lightyears about this stuff compared to me
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| 15:02 | <xsl> i know how to nat
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| 15:02 | i want is to close undesired ports
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| 15:02 | <andygraybeal_> okay
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| 15:03 | <xsl> like... documented ports used by ltsp
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| 15:03 | i know that nbd has changed from port_assign to name_assign and uses an IANA documented port
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| 15:04 | but i wanna know if i close everything .. what i need to open ... like dhcp broadcasts, dhcp, nbd, tftp
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| 15:04 | etc :D
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| 15:04 | <andygraybeal_> yea, i don't know.. i'm sure someone does
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| 15:05 | <xsl> andygraybeal_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFirewall
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| 15:11 | <andygraybeal_> bad assness
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| 15:14 | <andygraybeal_> awesome, i just got my ubuntu login
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| 15:22 | <xsl> gz
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| 15:28 | <cliebow> andygraybeal_, how goes the battle?
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| 15:34 | <andygraybeal_> cliebow, i still need help, but i'm making some headway
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| 15:35 | i just got done editing the fatclient wiki with the ltsp-chroot for ubuntu 10.04
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| 15:35 | cliebow, thank you for asking :) i have plenty more questions - but for now i'm gonna focus on my chroot and updating software in it for now
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| 15:46 | <||cw> i have a touch screent that I've made work on normal linux installs, it requires an InputDevice section in xorg.conf, is there a way to make that work in a thin client without having to generate and maintain an org.conf for each PC model I want to use it with?
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| 15:51 | <andygraybeal_> yea, check out the lts.conf settings here: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man5/lts.conf.5.html
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| 15:51 | look up: USE_TOUCH
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| 15:52 | <||cw> yeah that works like crap. the 3M twxinput driver works worlds better
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| 15:52 | <andygraybeal_> okay, sorry
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| 15:52 | what 3m do you got? i just bought me a 3m viewtouch 16 incher
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| 15:52 | er 17 incher
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| 15:52 | er no, microtouch
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| 15:53 | <||cw> 15" and 17" microtouch
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| 15:53 | <andygraybeal_> yea, nice you like them? what are you using them for?
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| 15:53 | if you get it to work, pls document! i will be following your steps possible in a few years.
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| 15:53 | <||cw> the drivers that come with the distro "work", but they are WAY too sensitive
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| 15:54 | I really like the screens, been using them for kiosks in the plant here for years on windows
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| 15:55 | lts.conf seems to let me chaneg mouse device and protocol only, if I could set the driver it'd be golden
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| 15:56 | <andygraybeal_> ||cw, yea.. if you have the patience alkisg will be back soon enough
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| 15:56 | <||cw> so I'm up to hacking up rc scripts that generate the needed conf files
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| 15:57 | <andygraybeal_> sounds like a blast, i don't really understand rc files yet.
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| 15:58 | i guess they are just started scripts though run in a certain order
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| 15:58 | <cliebow> andygraybeal_, i d be no help anyway..my ltsp got backburnered when they went 1 to 1 macbooks
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| 15:58 | <||cw> these are just shell scripts, not true rc.d stuff
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| 15:58 | <andygraybeal_> cliebow, ahh, sounds like lots of overhead maintenance!!!
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| 15:58 | cliebow, i might cry if i were you
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| 15:59 | <||cw> the advantage is that the lts.conf can send params to the scripts so that you can push mac specific settings to the thin client instance
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| 15:59 | <cliebow> oh yeah..i had toget apple certified to justify using up a lot of perfectly good air for no reason
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| 16:00 | <||cw> the disadvantage is that every instance has all the scripts present, needed or not, and they only get executed if the lts.conf says to for that mac address
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| 16:00 | <andygraybeal_> ||cw, you can have the [default] settings and then mac specific setting, but you probably know this already
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| 16:01 | ||cw, aah i see what your saying know, i re-read your sentance
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| 16:01 | *now
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| 16:01 | cliebow, did the school board make that decision?
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| 16:02 | does apple have a terminal server.. synonymous to citrix or ltsp?
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| 16:03 | <cliebow> yeah..that and the new tech director
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| 16:03 | oh you could make it wwork..i guess..
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| 16:03 | <andygraybeal_> ah new tech director.. .sounds scary
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| 16:04 | <cliebow> knows about classrooms and politics..but not computing
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| 16:04 | <andygraybeal_> i'm sorry, repeat, does apple have a terminal server?
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| 16:05 | i
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| 16:05 | i'll google
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| 16:05 | <cliebow> well you can netboot the things ok..from an apple server..netboot form isc dhcp is another story..I havnt really loked into the possiblities
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| 16:06 | cause with 1600 running macbooks there is no call for it
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| 16:06 | <andygraybeal_> aquaconnect? 'm seeing
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| 16:06 | <cliebow> i had g4 netbooting but never macbook
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| 16:06 | from isc dhcp
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| 16:06 | <andygraybeal_> are you looking for new employment?
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| 16:07 | <cliebow> not really..i am more or less over the hill
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| 16:07 | i did apply a few years ago at College of the Atlantic
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| 16:08 | despite what is said..at 62 it is tough to convince anyone you ll be worth the learning curve
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| 16:09 | <andygraybeal_> yea, no offense to anyone thathas them.. but i started doing the cert path when i was 17 or something.. novell, ms, a+, and was planning on getting the cisco etc.. all my friends were doing it... but you have to get re-certed so often.. and because a user interface changes... not really a 'computing' change.. i kept seeing them become more and more pointless. and i said eff-it and went totally linux
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| 16:12 | did you get certified with the hardware also?
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| 16:12 | i almost had to get dell certified..
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| 16:13 | where i worked, we went from ingres to oracle .... i was so sad.
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| 16:14 | <andygraybeal_> then we had an army of api/db programmers working with peoplesoft
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| 16:14 | it just seemed like a uphill battle
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| 16:26 | <cliebow> i had to take both hardware and software December a year ago..then had to certify in 10.7 (never used it) software..and new models hardware which i di never used..
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| 16:27 | twas openbook this last one..I looked up every answer..
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| 16:33 | <andygraybeal_> okay... i'm using ltsp-chroot from here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/1776/server/scripts/debian/ltsp-chroot ... but i don't think i have a /proc in my chroot :( i'm trying to intsall openjdk and it's failing.. i could be thoroughly confused
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| 16:42 | <||cw> andygraybeal_: before you chroot: mount /proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc -o bind
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| 16:42 | make sure the umount that after you exit the chroot
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| 16:42 | do /sys and /dev too
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| 16:42 | <andygraybeal_> thanks ||cw
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| 16:45 | <||cw> lts should honor /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d/ right?
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| 17:06 | <andygraybeal_> ||cw, alkisg si the man... i bet he knows all the answers :)
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| 17:07 | <||cw> I think I'm getting close to tricking it....
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| 17:07 | is there what I can see the generated xorg.conf?
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| 17:07 | is there a way^^
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| 17:09 | looking at how configure-x.sh works, I should be able to get it working using the touch configs, but deons't seem to
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| 17:14 | hm, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is empty on my client, so configure-x.sh must not be run...
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| 17:15 | so i need to set CONFIGURE_X = True for that to happen?
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| 17:21 | <alkisg> ||cw: if you have a xorg.conf that works, you can use that with the X_CONF directive
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| 17:21 | What's your desired xorg.conf?
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| 17:21 | <||cw> trying to use 3m's twxinput touch driver
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| 17:25 | <||cw> Ithink I'm starting to see why the documented lts.conf touch settings never take effect, they are only referenced by configure-x.sh, but that's never called and X_TOUCH* aren't referenced anywhere in the client scripts
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| 17:25 | is this an ubuntu bastardization?
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> !ltsp-source
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| 17:27 | <ltsp> alkisg: ltsp-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> You can check the upstream sources there
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| 17:28 | I don't think Ubuntu touches any upstream files, it only provides the debian/ dir.
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| 17:28 | <andygraybeal_> alright, how do i use the printers on my terminal server from my fatclients? I already have the queues setup on my terminal server.
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> andygraybeal_: you go to the printer settings and select "publish printers"
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| 17:28 | <andygraybeal_> ah nice
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| 17:29 | <alkisg> (on the server). Nothing more.
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| 17:29 | <andygraybeal_> okay thank you
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| 17:30 | <||cw> I'm still getting an empty xorg.conf
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| 17:30 | <alkisg> ||cw: put your lts.conf to pastebin, and your desired xorg.conf too.
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> !learn fat-printers as to publish your server's printers so that fat clients can use them, from http://localhost:631/admin on your server, check [v] Share printers connected to this system. Or use `system-config-printer` if you have Gnome.
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| 17:32 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 17:32 | <||cw> lts.conf http://pastebin.com/nBvHF6br
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| 17:32 | at this point I'd be happy with any xorg.conf at all
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| 17:33 | my image has none, the clients have an empty one
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> ||cw: didn't you say you got it running at a standalone workstation?
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| 17:33 | <||cw> yes
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> I meant that xorg.conf
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| 17:33 | Also, your client's xorg.conf goes in /var/run, to see where exactly, run ps aux|grep X
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| 17:34 | Finally, what's the output of `getltscfg -a` if you run it locally on the client?
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| 17:35 | <||cw> getltscfg matches my lts.conf
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| 17:35 | ps auxww shows only: /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp :0 -auth /tmp/serverauth.f8SXKZPvn0
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| 17:36 | <alkisg> Err which ubuntu version is that?
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| 17:36 | <||cw> 10.04
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> Can you try without all that fancy menu stuff?
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| 17:37 | <||cw> intersting, I found a conf in /tmp this time, but it's just the 'X -configure' output
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| 17:38 | so add a screen=ldm for my mac instead?
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> SCREEN_02=shell
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| 17:40 | SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 17:41 | (unless if you have ssh or other root access to the client)
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| 17:41 | <||cw> I have ssh
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> OK, just SCREEN_07=ldm then
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| 17:41 | <||cw> hm, ldm isn't loading anymore
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| 17:41 | /usr/share/ltsp/configure-x.sh seems to be hung
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| 17:42 | http://pastebin.com/CL591EFj
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| 17:42 | grep -c XkbLayout seems to be locked
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| 17:43 | ah, input file is blank
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| 17:44 | sorry if I seem to be jumping around, this is how I debug, I dont' claim to be sane :D
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> Why don't you use a whole X_CONF file instead?
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| 17:45 | Get it from your standalone installation, put it in the chroot, done
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| 17:46 | INPUT_FILE=$(cat ${TEMPFILE} | grep "Your xorg.conf file is " | tr -d '\n' | cut -d' ' -f5)
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| 17:46 | <||cw> I don't want to have to code up an xorg for every possible pc/screen config I have
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> ==> it's possible that that grep no longer matches
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| 17:46 | You don't need a whole xorg.conf
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| 17:46 | Nowadays you can just use the snippets you need
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| 17:46 | <||cw> the main snippet I need is ServerLayout
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> Check the snippets in /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d/
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| 17:49 | So anyway can you pastebin the contents of TEMPFILE ?
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| 17:50 | (the one in /tmp)
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| 17:50 | <||cw> yes, the text no longer matches
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> (07:37:51 μμ) ||cw: intersting, I found a conf in /tmp this time, but it's just the 'X -configure' output ==> that one
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| 17:50 | <||cw> yeah, that was when the grep was hung
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> So that we better rewrite that INPUT_FILE=xxx line...
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| 17:51 | <||cw> also adding some error handling. where does logger output to?
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> Usually /var/log/somewhere, but I think most logging is turned off for thin clients
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| 17:53 | logger -t LTSP => that would go in syslog
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| 17:55 | * alkisg wonders why that line doesn't match... it matches for me, even though it could be rewritten better | |
| 17:56 | <||cw> mine says "Using config file"
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| 17:57 | <alkisg> I got 10.04 too, so that's weird
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| 17:57 | <||cw> maybe matching on xorg.conf.new would be better?
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| 17:57 | <alkisg> If you run `X -configure` locally, you get that result?!
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| 17:57 | <||cw> on the thin client, yes
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| 17:58 | mines not clean I think, I also get "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices.
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| 17:58 | Configuration failed.
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| 17:58 | "
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| 17:58 | <alkisg> That's the main cause of the problem then
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| 17:58 | <||cw> it's a compaq sff P4 with an nvidia card in it
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| 17:59 | <alkisg> It has an onboard card too?
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| 17:59 | <||cw> no
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| 17:59 | <alkisg> And how many screens? (devices)?
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| 17:59 | Pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log...
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| 17:59 | <||cw> one, only the one vga plug on it
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| 17:59 | <alkisg> (or 7.log)
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| 18:00 | Also, if you fix or hardcode the INPUT_FILE line, everything else works fine?
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| 18:01 | <||cw> http://pastebin.com/w9eyPmrn
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| 18:02 | just rebuilt the image, trying now
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| 18:06 | <alkisg> !learn quick-nbd-tests as to quickly test stuff without rebuilding your NBD image and without switching to NFS, put "break=mount" in pxelinux.cfg/default, and then from the initramfs prompt run `chroot /root bash -l`. Edit any files you want and press Ctrl+D two times to continue the boot process.
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| 18:06 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 18:13 | <||cw> still making a blank xorg.conf, and leaving /tmp/xorg.conf.new
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| 18:23 | well, this will be find to diagnose http://pastebin.com/awnfC5bj
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| 18:23 | the file exists...
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| 18:26 | ah, my grep/tr/cut leaves quotes on the file, then later it quotes it more making: grep -c XkbLayout '"/tmp/xorg.conf.new"'
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| 18:30 | <cheche> Why sometimes a ltsp client fails to boot up? . power off and power on the system load fine... how can debug this kind of problem?
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| 18:31 | it stops before gdm starts
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| 18:31 | where the ubuntu dots goes red and white
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| 18:31 | my setup is a ubuntu 10.04
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| 18:37 | <||cw> alkisg: far as I can tell, X -configure always outputs to ~/xorg.conf.new no matter what, see any harm is just coding to that?
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| 18:40 | cheche: if you press esc or change the kernel line to not have "quiet splash" does it say why it fails?
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| 18:43 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash | echo cheche:
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| 18:43 | <ltsp> cheche: quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash .
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| 18:43 | <alkisg> ||cw: no idea what other distros do
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| 18:43 | <||cw> google says fedora and arch are the same, and that seems to be the xorg default
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| 18:43 | <alkisg> Sounds good then
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| 18:44 | So if you hardcode that, then it works?
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| 18:47 | <||cw> well, I get the right xorg.conf anyway
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| 18:47 | <cheche> alkisg: ok. the trouble is that is not always. I am trying to change it now and see what is the error line
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| 18:48 | <alkisg> cheche: a possible problem would be if you have 2 dhcp servers on your network, e.g. your ltsp server and a router.
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| 18:48 | ||cw: file a bug mentioning when it fails, and attach the patch
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| 19:10 | <andygraybeal_> hm. alkisg, i have the settings "LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True" & "LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT=True" in my lts.conf, it's been working great with the thinclients. It doesn't appear to work with the fatclients. Is there a way to get this to work?
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| 19:21 | <mnevans> Hello LTSP world. I'm having trouble getting the thin client to recognize a flash drive.
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| 19:21 | Following debugging instructions at wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev:
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| 19:22 | <andygraybeal_> make sure your users are in the 'fuse' group
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| 19:23 | <mnevans> The things that don't check out are: fuse module is not loaded on the server (lsmod | grep fuse gives nothing, but is listed in the kernel modules (more /lib/modules/.../modules.builtin | grep fuse gives kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko.
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| 19:24 | On the client, I only see a usb plug event when inserting the flashdrive.
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| 19:24 | The ltsp fuse udev rules don't fire.
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| 19:24 | @andygrabeal: users are in the fuse group.
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| 19:25 | <andygraybeal_> stick around maybe some one knows, sorry i can't be more help
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| 19:25 | <mnevans> And finally, I can't issue a manual mount command at the client. I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/ydfvxqmn
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| 19:26 | I think the problem must be that the fuse module is not loaded. Is fixing this as simple as lsmod fuse at the server?
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| 19:29 | <stgraber> mnevans: I don't really know the solution off hand or really have time to help you debug (sorry) but fuse is probably not the problem. I had a quick look on my system here and it's now a builtin kernel module
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| 19:30 | mnevans: so it's never going to show up in lsmod
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| 19:30 | mnevans: you can do "grep fuse /proc/filesystems" to check that fuse is indeed loaded (returns fuseblk, fuse and fusectl here)
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| 19:33 | <mnevans> @stgraber, thanks, more /proc/filesystems | grep fuse gives those three things here as well.
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| 19:34 | <alkisg> andygraybeal_: no idea, I
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| 19:34 | 've never used those
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| 19:34 | <andygraybeal_> alkisg, okay
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| 19:34 | alkisg, thank you
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| 19:34 | <andygraybeal_> alkisg, this might be the break point meaning i can't go to fatclients
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| 19:34 | <mnevans> @alkisg, my hero, is this a simple fix I'm missing?
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| 19:34 | <alkisg> mnevans: amd64 or i386?
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| 19:34 | <mnevans> amd64 on both server and client.
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| 19:35 | <alkisg> And which distro/version?
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| 19:35 | I think ltspfsd had problems with amd64, and it was only solved very very recently...
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| 19:35 | But I don't use ltspfs so not sure about the details
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| 19:35 | <mnevans> This is ubuntu 10.10, updates applied through last week. LTSP = ...
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| 19:36 | <alkisg> Nah it's older than the fix
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| 19:36 | <mnevans> ltsp-client-core 5.2.4
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| 19:36 | <alkisg> mnevans: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk/revision/153
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| 19:37 | 2011-10-29 00:38:07 upstream
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| 19:37 | <||cw> gah! I knew making the ltsp server x64 was going to be a pain... stupid driver installed the x64 version in my chroot
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| 19:37 | <alkisg> So it would need ltspfsd 1.0
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| 19:38 | <mnevans> @alkisg, I see in synaptic ltspfsd 0.7-0ubuntu1 is available but not installed here.
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| 19:39 | Would that not provide the update?
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| 19:39 | <alkisg> ltspfs on the server, ltspfsd on the client
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| 19:39 | <vagrantc> it's ltspfsd 1.0
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| 19:39 | <alkisg> ltspfs 1.0 is in ubuntu precise
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| 19:39 | vagrantc: do you remember the issue? What does it affect, amd64 chroots?
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc> i think it was the thin-client side that was affected
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| 19:40 | <alkisg> I think so too
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc> i.e. running i386 clients worked fine with an amd64 server.
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| 19:40 | <alkisg> stgraber, do you think that mnevans could install the ltspfsd.deb from precise, to his 10.10 chroot?
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc> probably not hard to backport, eiher
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| 19:41 | <mnevans> I like the idea of trying to install the ltspfsd.deb to the chroot. Can't go to a build of 12.04 yet on the server.
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| 19:42 | What the best way to try that?
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> mnevans: first, if you don't have experience with downgrading packages etc, make a backup of your /opt/ltsp folder
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| 19:43 | Then, download this and install it to your chroot: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/ltspfsd-core
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| 19:43 | And then this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/ltspfsd
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| 19:43 | Since the dependencies should already be there, a dpkg -i would be enough, inside the chroot
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| 19:44 | Ah wait
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| 19:44 | <||cw> do rcfiles run before screens?
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| 19:44 | always?
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> mnevans: Let me see if we have daily builds for ltspfs...
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| 19:45 | <andygraybeal_> where is the "LIMIT_ONE_SESSION" script live?
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> mnevans: yeah it's there even though it has a weird version: https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+archive/daily?field.series_filter=maverick
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| 19:46 | <andygraybeal_> err. the LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT script i mean
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> mnevans: so you can download those 2 packages from there as well, and install them to your chroot
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| 19:47 | <stgraber> alkisg: yes, should work fine
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| 19:47 | alkisg: ltsp hasn't changed in precise yet
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| 19:47 | <mnevans> @alkisg, just to be clear, I should login to the client via ltsp-localapps xterm as root. Then backup /opt/ltsp. Then install the maverick package link you just sent, to the client?
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| 19:48 | <alkisg> mnevans: no, you should do something like this:
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| 19:48 | sudo rsync -a /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp-backup
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| 19:48 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 19:48 | dpkg -i ltspfsd-core.deb
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| 19:48 | dpkg -i ltspfsd.deb
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| 19:48 | exit
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| 19:48 | sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 19:48 | And then reboot your clients
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| 19:49 | <mnevans> @alkisg: all on the server, correct, in /opt/ltsp?
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| 19:49 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 19:49 | <mnevans> OK, here we go...
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| 19:49 | <alkisg> Don't forget to download the precise packages first :)
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| 19:53 | <mnevans> The packages from https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+archive/daily?field.series_filter=maverick, right? just ltspfs, or all 4 listed at that page?
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| 19:56 | <andygraybeal_> aah in the man page it says "LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION" is only for thin clients, not fat clients... grrrrr
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| 19:56 | <mnevans> ... and I am sorry to have to ask this but: from that page, best way to actually get the packages? :-)
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| 19:58 | <stgraber> mnevans: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/ltspfs/ltspfsd-core_1.0-1_amd64.deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/ltspfs/ltspfsd_1.0-1_all.deb
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| 19:58 | <mnevans> @stgraber, thank you, I was just reading about adding the repository, but maybe this is better for a test.
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| 20:03 | <mnevans> And one more question before I do this: in case of a disaster, I should just go to the server, mv ltsp-backup ltsp, ltsp-update-image, reboot client?
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| 20:04 | <stgraber> yes, though you should first start by moving the existing ltsp or removing it then
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| 20:06 | <mnevans> Oh, I thought ltsp-update-image updates an existing image. If I remove what's there, should I use ltsp-build-client instead?
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| 20:07 | <stgraber> no, just saying that if you do "mv ltsp-backup ltsp", you'll end up with ltsp/ltsp-backup :)
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| 20:07 | so you should do: mv ltsp ltsp-broken, mv ltsp-backup ltsp, ltsp-update-image, reboot client
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| 20:07 | <mnevans> Right.
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| 20:10 | Done. Rebooting...
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| 20:12 | <mnevans> @alkisg, stgraber: I am back, and plugged in the stick, and it works.
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| 20:12 | <andygraybeal_> why is it lts.conf and not ltsp.conf?
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| 20:12 | <mnevans> Hooray! Now I have two ltsp heroes :)
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| 20:12 | <andygraybeal_> mnevans, awesomeness!
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| 20:13 | <mnevans> Now I guess I should add my notes on this to my wiki entry about the AMD E-350 box, as a way of saying thank you?
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| 20:14 | I have to go now, but thanks again, and I will try to do that asap.
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> mnevans: also add some note to the ubuntu wiki
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| 20:16 | Nice job :)
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| 20:17 | <andygraybeal_> hooray, i edited the wiki today too!
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 20:23 | <||cw> andygraybeal_: because it's the linux terminal server config, not the projects config
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| 20:23 | <andygraybeal_> ||cw, aaah, thank you
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| 20:25 | <||cw> yeay! touchscreen works!
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| 20:25 | twxdriver is picky as hell
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| 20:25 | <andygraybeal_> so another question, LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION doesn't work with Fatclients, only thin clients... would there be a way to modify the script ( http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/view/head:/rc.d/S15-userLoginCheck ) in a way that it would know what client the person is logged into and be able to kill their session on that client?
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| 20:26 | <||cw> I have to make my own wrapper script for CONFIGURE_X_COMMAND= and have that call configure-x.sh and then start they driver service, otherwise the driver would not start
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| 20:26 | <andygraybeal_> ||cw, dood!! awesome, i totally want a copy of what you did.. i'm gonna be buying more 3m microtouch's!!
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| 20:26 | my whole bar staff loves them
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| 20:27 | <||cw> I'll try and get it on the wiki after I get this into production, today i hope
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| 20:27 | <andygraybeal_> i got some elo's and they hate those
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| 20:27 | thank you ||cw
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| 20:30 | ||cw, you got serial or usb monitors?
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| 20:33 | is there a way to find out what client someone is logged into?
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| 20:39 | <||cw> this one is usb, I have some serial I haven't tried with the new driver yet
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> (10:33:37 μμ) andygraybeal_: is there a way to find out what client someone is logged into? => type "w" on a terminal on the server
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| 20:44 | * vagrantc shudders at the idea of using CONFIGURE_X_COMMAND | |
| 20:44 | <vagrantc> you should be able to do the same thing with the plugins...
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| 20:49 | <andygraybeal_> alkisg, aah is there a way to use that information in userLoginCheck script? ... in such a way it kills the users session?
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| 20:49 | <vagrantc> if you killed the other ssh session, the homedir would no longer be mounted ...
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| 20:50 | <alkisg> andygraybeal_: Sorry but I don't understand neither your problem nor your idea :)
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| 20:50 | <vagrantc> but sshfs does not handle it's ssh connection getting pulled out from under it very well...
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| 20:50 | if you're using NFS_HOME stuff, no idea.
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| 20:52 | <andygraybeal_> alright, LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION only works for thinclients because it only kills the users session on the server, not on the fatclient. I'm wondering if there is a way to modify that script file to log the person not only out of the server, but out of the fatclient also.
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| 20:52 | err. maybe said LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT
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| 20:53 | cause thta is the actual setting that logs a person out
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| 20:53 | this script in particular: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/view/head:/rc.d/S15-userLoginCheck
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| 20:55 | does that make a little more sense? i'm sorry i suck at explaining things
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| 20:58 | <||cw> er, so, where's the best place to document how I got this working?
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| 20:58 | also, the ltsp sf.net wiki seems kinda bare
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| 20:59 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: jammcq was asking, any progress on this? ^
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| 21:00 | <alkisg> andygraybeal_: Yes I see the problem, but you cannot instruct from the server the fat client to logout, unless a bit of more code is inserted at X95-run-x-session or similar
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| 21:00 | <andygraybeal_> okay, let me look at that
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| 21:00 | <alkisg> E.g. it could use the ssh tunnel to run a dummy executable on the server,
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| 21:00 | and when that executable is killed, it would also kill the local processes
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| 21:01 | An xprop can also be used if localapps are enabled, but they aren't always so
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| 21:02 | <andygraybeal_> ||cw, the ubuntu ltsp wiki!!! )
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| 21:02 | errr :)
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| 21:03 | <||cw> here? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 21:03 | <andygraybeal_> ||cw, yea yeayea ;(
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| 21:03 | er :))))
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| 21:05 | ||cw, are you using ubuntu?
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| 21:06 | alkisg, i understand what you said, but i'm no where near that sort of skill level ;)
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| 21:07 | <||cw> yes
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| 21:07 | <alkisg> andygraybeal_: why do you want to kill the old session, instead of having the person go there and logout himself?
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| 21:07 | (just curious...)
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| 21:08 | <||cw> speaking of local app, how does that work if you're using rdesktop screen?
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| 21:08 | or does it work?
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| 21:08 | <alkisg> It could work, but how are you going to set an xprop from windows?
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| 21:08 | <andygraybeal_> alkisg, because we have multiple terminals between two floors and everyone aorund here is too drunk to understand what is going on.
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| 21:08 | <||cw> I was thinking more of running the touch calibration
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| 21:09 | <alkisg> andygraybeal_: i would tell them where they are logged in, and that they cannot login until they go there and properly logout, otherwise they could even lose unsaved work which would be worse
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| 21:09 | <andygraybeal_> i've told them tirelessly this same thing.
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| 21:09 | <alkisg> I mean I'd use a dialog for that... to avoid straining my vocal cords :P
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| 21:10 | <andygraybeal_> yes, i have a blaster for these encounters.
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| 21:11 | alright, alkisg, i just talked it over, and we will again try to initiate this practice.
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| 21:12 | <alkisg> You can put a nicer dialog if you want, with more details on where their session is etc
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| 21:12 | <andygraybeal_> aaah how do i do this?
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| 21:15 | <vagrantc> andygraybeal_: implementing an idle session auto-logout might also help
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| 21:15 | * vagrantc is about 95% close to getting that working adequately | |
| 21:16 | <andygraybeal_> vagrantc, i dismissed that.. as it would just cause problems too
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| 21:16 | but yes.. i asksed about this early on last year
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| 21:16 | <vagrantc> admittedly, i'm only going to deploy it on essentially kiosk type systems
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| 21:20 | <andygraybeal_> vagrantc, yea, not when important unsaved documents can be lost
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| 21:21 | even though i also tirelessly threathen them "save often, save early"
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| 21:21 | <alkisg> Ideally, a proper "logout" would be called, and if some inhibitor cancelled it, the ldm-dialog would prompt the user that it can't log him out from the other location
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| 21:22 | So unsaved work => no logout, saved work => logout + login from the new location
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| 21:22 | <vagrantc> applications should implement autosave...
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| 21:22 | <alkisg> That can be tricky though, e.g. for web browsers the web page they're visiting should also be able to implement save + resume session
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| 21:23 | <vagrantc> suppose so...
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| 21:24 | alkisg: epoptes should hit testing in a couple days... next version coming out soonish?
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| 21:25 | <alkisg> vagrantc: we gave the translators until the end of the month... so I guess in 5 days
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| 21:25 | Is that ok?
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| 21:25 | <vagrantc> alkisg: also, i wasn't able to figure out the groups features ... i could create a new group, but couldn't figure out how to associate clients with groups
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| 21:26 | <alkisg> vagrantc: drag 'n' drop
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| 21:26 | We need to explain that somewhere :-/
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| 21:26 | You drag the clients you want to the groups you want
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| 21:26 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i could drag, but couldn't figure out how to drop it :)
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| 21:26 | <alkisg> Ah, you need to put the mouse exactly above the desired group
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| 21:26 | <vagrantc> that was a bit tricky ...
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| 21:26 | <alkisg> If you put it a little above or below it doesn't work
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| 21:27 | GTK problems... :(
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| 21:27 | Phantomas also started implementing multiple selection for the dragging, dunno if he finished it yet
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| 21:40 | <andygraybeal_> so alkisg, is there a way to make it so that "LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION" works for fatclients (only checks to see if your logged currently, and doesn't permit you to login again ... (not necessarily prompt you to kill your existing session)) and if so... how would i make a nicer dialog box pop up telling them what client they are logged into so they can log out?
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| 21:40 | the dialog would need to know the hostname of the client and the particular virtual terminal (f12, f11, f10... etc)
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| 21:50 | <komunista> alkisg: you are writing about translations, please, was some call for translation here?
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| 21:55 | <||cw> andygraybeal_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/3MMicroTouchDriver
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| 21:55 | <andygraybeal_> ||cw, thank you, i will read it now!
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| 21:55 | <||cw> that's from memory and looking at my configs. feel free to edit it for any corrections
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| 21:56 | <andygraybeal_> that was pretty fast to write all of that!
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| 21:57 | ||cw, maybe you already answered, but what application do you use the monitor in?
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| 21:57 | <||cw> rdesktop
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| 21:58 | <andygraybeal_> hmm like what business application
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| 21:58 | retail sales?
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| 21:58 | <||cw> custom
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| 21:58 | manufacturing
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| 21:59 | I have kiosks all over the plant, slowly moving them to thin clients
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| 21:59 | there's at least 1 PC in every department
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| 22:00 | <alkisg> komunista, if you read the irc logs, check https://translations.launchpad.net/epoptes/
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| 22:00 | andygraybeal_: errr well stated question, unfortunately the answer would require me writing the script, no? :)
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| 22:01 | The check if the user is already logged in is in the current code
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| 22:01 | <andygraybeal_> alkisg, i could strike a deal with you, i will pay for your effort.
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| 22:01 | <alkisg> The prompt is there too, the difference is what to do after the prompt
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| 22:02 | <andygraybeal_> ||cw, aah manufactering! we run a restuaurant, bar and manufacturing division at my business.
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| 22:02 | small manufactering :)
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| 22:02 | <||cw> andygraybeal_: FWIW, on 3 sceens so far, one 17" 2 15" all usb, my touch params are all: 000 0 65535 0 0 65535 0
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| 22:02 | I'm guessing that means "it's usb and config stored on display's nvram"
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| 22:03 | <andygraybeal_> ||cw i need to get your contact info.. so far your the only one i've ran into doing this same thing i want to do with the screens.
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| 22:03 | <||cw> I have a couple serial ones in the plant, not sure when I'll be able to pull one to test that
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| 22:03 | I'm always on freenode :) even when I'm not
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| 22:03 | <andygraybeal_> nice is your nick always ||cw?
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| 22:04 | * ||cw is idler extraordinar | |
| 22:04 | <||cw> yes
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| 22:05 | <andygraybeal_> haha nice :)
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| 22:05 | you tried elo's yet?
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| 22:05 | <||cw> I have some elo's
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| 22:05 | old ones
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| 22:05 | <andygraybeal_> they want $1500 for linux drivers!!!!
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| 22:05 | <||cw> not tried on thin client yet
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| 22:05 | <andygraybeal_> well.. anything later than 8.04
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| 22:06 | <||cw> yeah, that sucks, especially when you can pick up a used 3m for $150
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| 22:06 | the elo's I have are all old CRTs
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| 22:10 | <alkisg> 'night all
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| 22:13 | <andygraybeal_> aah, old crt's
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| 22:13 | yea, the new touchscreens are crazy.. my staff hates them
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| 22:14 | ||cw, so you been buying your monitors used?
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| 22:14 | <||cw> yes
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| 22:17 | <andygraybeal_> nice
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| 22:17 | i didn't consider that yet.
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| 22:17 | i buy my servers and workstations used :)
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| 22:17 | monitors, i'm a little scared about
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| 22:18 | <||cw> only "bad" thing is they sometimes have blemishes, but I'm putting them in a dirt shop so they end up with blemishes anyway
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| 22:18 | <andygraybeal_> yea nice, what do you manufacter?
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| 22:19 | <||cw> most ebay sellers are good about pointing them out in the listing though, only been disappointed a couple times, both they were still usable
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| 22:19 | stuff for printing presses
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| 22:19 | <andygraybeal_> ah nice, we manufacter food stuff
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| 22:19 | <||cw> so, it's all metal working
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| 22:20 | <andygraybeal_> so you rdesktop from there and run a virtual windows box inside?
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| 22:21 | <||cw> yeah, terminal server even
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| 22:21 | <andygraybeal_> windows terminal server, yea?
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| 22:21 | <andygraybeal_> that is expensive
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| 22:21 | you got, what is it 2008?
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| 22:21 | <||cw> yeah. eventually I've move some to linux, I got chicken-egg issues though
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| 22:22 | <andygraybeal_> i used to help run citrix before microsoft had terminal server
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| 22:22 | <||cw> na, xp pro with a ts package on it
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| 22:22 | <andygraybeal_> i hated my life :)
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| 22:22 | oh wow, i had no idea windows xp had a terminal server package
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| 22:23 | <||cw> most kiosks run 1 app, and it's a custom web browser, but a lot of the code is way old, made for IE5, so won't run in chrome or ff based stuff
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| 22:23 | there's a couple commercial ones, or you can hack one in
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| 22:23 | <andygraybeal_> so dumb question, but can more than one person log into a windows xp terminal server?
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| 22:24 | <||cw> yes
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| 22:24 | <andygraybeal_> hah, i had no idea about this.
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| 22:24 | <||cw> I wouldn't call it trivial
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| 22:25 | <andygraybeal_> nice, is it a license you buy.. and software add on?
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| 22:25 | <||cw> but as I'm a developer as well as sysadmin, I can conjure up some stuff to make it reliable
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| 22:25 | <andygraybeal_> is it also per user / client based?
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| 22:25 | <||cw> the commercial ones you buy
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| 22:25 | per session based I think
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| 22:26 | <||cw> this is one of them http://www.thinstuff.com/products/xpvs-server/
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| 22:27 | <andygraybeal_> crzy, i thouhgt you had to buy the big server edition with terminal services
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| 22:27 | <||cw> you do if you want MS to support it
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| 22:28 | <andygraybeal_> yea, i hope i never go back to that, ever :)
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| 22:28 | * markit wonders if M$ license of the code permits that stuff to be 100% "legal" | |
| 22:28 | <||cw> markit: the hack your own isn't I'm sure
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| 22:31 | if thinstuff's implementation wasn't legal I'm sure MS would have them shut down by now, it's been around a long time
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| 22:31 | <cheche> is there a way to kill "nobody 25402 1570 0 Jan25 ? 00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img" automatic?
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| 22:32 | I do not know why those process are created in the first place.
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| 22:33 | <||cw> cheche: these are what the clients use to connect to the image they use to boot up and launch sessions
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| 22:33 | <cheche> ||cw: all systemas are off
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| 22:33 | <||cw> they should timeout then
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| 22:33 | <cheche> only the server is running at this time (11:30pm)
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| 22:34 | ||cw: maybe a session that did not startup propertly?
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| 22:34 | <||cw> dunno
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| 22:36 | <cheche> ||cw: ok, I will setup a cron job to kill those at mightnight.
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| 22:44 | <||cw> andygraybeal_: dumped some more scripts here https://github.com/chrwei/LTSP-Hacks
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| 22:44 | <andygraybeal_> *looking
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| 22:45 | <||cw> andygraybeal_: couple I used to get serial and usb with the 3M's using evdev before I found the 3M drivers
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| 22:45 | they work, just nto very well
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| 22:45 | should work with anything evdev supports
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| 22:45 | <andygraybeal_> okay
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| 22:45 | <||cw> also, a bonus apcupsd script :D
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| 22:45 | <andygraybeal_> i <3 apcupsd :)
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| 22:46 | <||cw> I have little P3 thin clients in wiring closets monitoring the UPS's for the switches
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| 22:46 | <andygraybeal_> nice
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| 22:47 | i gotta head home.. i've been at it for 12 hours
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| 22:47 | er.. 13 hours
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| 22:47 | i'll get one when i'm at home
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| 22:47 | i'll look at that git stuff
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| 22:48 | is that all stuff you did today?
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| 22:48 | or stuf fyou been working on?
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| 22:48 | are you worried about ubuntu 12.04?
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| 22:49 | aight, i'm out i'll catch up tonight
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| 22:50 | <||cw> heh
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| 22:51 | I'll worry about 12.04 when 10.04 just doens't cut it anymore. I think we're a long way from that, unlike 8.04
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| 22:51 | 10.04 might go down as the very best ubuntu release ever
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