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05:51 | <alkisg> (11:06:37 μμ) bennabiy_: vagrantc, so I installed ltsp-client, now where do I put the grub info to match pxelinux.cfg/default?
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05:51 | ==> bennabiy, don't mix local caching with booting from local kernel
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05:52 | You don't want to maintain local installations, do you?
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05:52 | For starters, just edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg, and when you get it right, you can put it to /etc/grub.d/09_ltsp like vagrantc said
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05:53 | If your dhcp is configured correctly, you would need the same command line that appears in pxelinux.cfg/default on the server
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05:53 | If you get a busybox, type: cat /proc/cmdline, and tell us the result
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05:54 | And of course the message that dropped you to busybox...
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05:56 | When you manage all this and learn everything, you should then be able to drop grub.efi, vmlinuz, initrd.img, and a very simple grub.cfg, to the efi partition, without ever installing ubuntu locally.
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05:57 | So don't bother with the local installation, it's just a simple way for you to learn how to manage uefi
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05:59 | * vagrantc needs to learn how to EFI | |
05:59 | <alkisg> vagrantc: did you get stuck anywhere, or are you talking in general?
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05:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i've just always been able to get away with not having to learn it
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05:59 | <alkisg> Haha
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06:00 | <vagrantc> worked a little on some arm systems, and supporting efi emulation from u-boot (e.g. to be able to use grub on arm systems that would otherwise just support u-boot)
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06:01 | apparently my laptop uses it, as debian-installer set up /boot/efi and all that
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06:01 | <alkisg> I did invest a couple of weeks some months ago to check how to support uefi on ltsp, but I discovered that many of the tools we need for proper support weren't ready for it yet
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06:01 | So I postponed its implementation in ltsp
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06:02 | It's possible to do it in multiple ways, yet each method has either small or severe issues
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06:02 | I think a couple of them have been solved in the mean time, I'll have a look at it again in the future
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06:03 | (e.g. proxydhcp support in dnsmasq for uefi, syslinux.efi improvements...)
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06:04 | The most stable method by far, was with normal dhcp and grub.efi in the tftp
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06:04 | But the local grub.efi also worked most of the times (it did have issues with some uefi network stacks)
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06:05 | <vagrantc> ok, looks like if i keep postponing learning about efi, i'll barely have to think about it at all
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06:05 | <alkisg> That's true :)
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06:06 | <vagrantc> i was thinking i should maybe get a couple EFI-only clients ... but i don't have any real-world application at the moment
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06:10 | * alkisg also advices people to just switch to CSM, but bennabiy didn't see the link I sent him on how to enable it | |
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06:11 | <highvoltage> what's CSM alkisg?
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06:11 | <alkisg> Just another name for the legacy mode, i.e. bios emulation from uefi firmware
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06:11 | compatibility support module
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06:12 | <vagrantc> i'm not sure all systems support that
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06:12 | <alkisg> True, but I found a link that was mentioning the firmware that bennabiy said the clients had
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09:03 | <ronstar> hey all
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09:03 | <alkisg> Hello
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09:04 | <ronstar> I have a quick question re: pinet
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09:04 | <alkisg> !raspberrypi
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09:04 | <ltsp> raspberrypi: (#1) Ubuntu/LTSP on Pi 2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi, or (#2) Debian/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/, or (#3) unofficial Ubuntu/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://pinet.org.uk/
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09:05 | <ronstar> well yeah, haven
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09:05 | <alkisg> pinet isn't supported here, its author says you're supposed to email him
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09:05 | <ronstar> 't found an answer online so I thought I'd ask here
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09:05 | it'
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09:05 | oh well
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09:06 | I just wanted to know whether it's possible to send a command to all raspi at once
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09:07 | <alkisg> !epoptes
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09:07 | <ltsp> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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09:07 | <alkisg> epoptes can send a command to multiple ltsp clients
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09:07 | <ronstar> ah right, haven't looked hard enough then
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09:08 | laters
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09:08 | <alkisg> bb
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12:22 | <bennabiy> alkisg: CSM is only if the client has the OPROM
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12:22 | These do not have it, so no CSM
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12:22 | Only UEFI
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12:39 | <slog1235> hey bennabiy
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12:40 | <bennabiy> slog1235: hi
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12:40 | <slog1235> i figured out some of my problems
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12:41 | <slog1235> tbh not the important ones lol ..the bottom line is i will send back this mini pc
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12:41 | one big issue with is it has no ntfs support on the bios
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12:42 | still i have another system that is uefi
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12:42 | so we can continue testing just with some thing that is going to be allot easier to work with
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12:45 | intel cpu in that mini pc is weird to you need to pxe it a 32bit image but it must a run 64bit os from what I was told so that is ugly .. and which brings me to dnsmasq and why it wont get recognized with option client-arch 7 and also not get a IP unless its not client-arch 7 but thats what dnsmasq was report it as when it was getting a ip
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12:53 | all this which has me baffled
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12:53 | if its X86-64_EFI
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12:53 | then it should be client-arch 9
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13:09 | <bennabiy> slog1235: What client are you working with?
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13:11 | alkisg: how do you install printers to a fat client? I did ltsp-pnp from a server which had printers installed, but cannot print from my fat client (cups server not enabled_)
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13:11 | <slog1235> its a ECS Liva bat-mini v1.0 .. basically its a celleron baytrail M system on chip deal with integrate eMMC and 2 GB of DDR3-UL ram
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13:11 | <bennabiy> hmm, sounds similar to the nexbox I am working with
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13:12 | mostly set up for android
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13:12 | or windows
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13:12 | <slog1235> yeah this one they give you instruction on how to isntall ubuntu via fat32
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13:12 | <bennabiy> It is not properly netbooting UEFI, but I am not saying I have it set up correctly
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13:12 | <slog1235> so I guess I could fat client it that way
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13:13 | <bennabiy> I installed Ubuntu just fine as 64 bit etc
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13:13 | network booting is just not working
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13:13 | and I cannot put it in legacy modem because legacy mode does not exist on this hardware
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13:13 | modem=mode*
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13:19 | <slog1235> yeah
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13:19 | that is the same for me
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13:19 | http://pastebin.com/dSyMPHyx
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13:30 | I wonder if its because the proxy code is not forwarding authoritative flag
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13:45 | <bennabiy> slog1235: have you tried iPXE instead of gpxe?
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13:46 | I am probably not going to be able to work on this this weekend... building a deli. Will have to look at this more after the weekend
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13:47 | slog1235: did you try this ? av
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13:47 | http://doc.rogerwhittaker.org.uk/ipxe-installation-and-EFI/
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13:48 | <slog1235> let me have look at that again
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13:49 | i was going to try with shim.efi as well
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13:56 | <alkisg> bennabiy: the general idea about printers is, you enable printer sharing on the server, and leave the default CUPS_SERVER=server for the clients
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13:56 | <alkisg> bennabiy: that way you manage/install printers in one place only
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13:57 | <bennabiy> alkisg: It was very much easier to administer the server from a thin client, but now that I am on a fat client, I can see the need to either use X2GO or such to be able to directly make changes on the server (things that are better done outside ssh / cli)
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13:58 | <alkisg> Here we have the teacher log in and use the server directly
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13:58 | <bennabiy> I have a monitor hooked up to the server and to my fat client, so I can switch between them easily, but somewhat inconvenient
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13:59 | <alkisg> We don't want to waste the extra seat that the server provides
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13:59 | <bennabiy> alkisg: I have been running from the server in the past, but I put myself on a fat client to lessen my impact on the other users, as well as to debug the process and fine tune it
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13:59 | I sit at about 3 computers at once...
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14:00 | Not counting remote access :)
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14:00 | Actually, 4, but one is not running right now :)
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14:00 | <alkisg> Sure, x2go is an option, also a vbox thin client is another one
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14:00 | <bennabiy> thin client from the fat client?
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14:00 | <alkisg> Or even setting LTSP_FATCLIENT=False for a specific machine
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14:00 | Yup
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14:01 | <bennabiy> that could work for me
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14:01 | <alkisg> !kvm
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14:01 | <ltsp> kvm: Virtual thin client: kvm -vga-vmware -ctrl-grab -no-shutdown -net nic,model=virtio -net user,tftp=/var/lib/tftpboot,bootfile=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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14:01 | <bennabiy> and just have a set apart admin user
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14:01 | handy
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14:04 | <alkisg> btw, (03:22:10 μμ) bennabiy: alkisg: CSM is only if the client has the OPROM ==> afaik, "oprom" is firmware on adapter cards, while csm is part of the motherboard firmware, i.e. those 2 are not related concepts
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14:05 | <bennabiy> alkisg: I looked in the firmware, and it says next to legacy (OPROM only)
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14:05 | and it does not show up in the firmware
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14:05 | <alkisg> legacy what? video?
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14:05 | or network stack?
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14:05 | <bennabiy> network
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14:05 | <alkisg> OK, it's not related to what we were discussing
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14:05 | That will be activated when you activate csm
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14:06 | <bennabiy> ok, tell me again how to do it? and I will try it
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14:06 | secure boot is disabled, etc
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14:06 | <alkisg> search the logs for "alkisg" and "bennabiy" on the same line; I pasted the link 3-4 days ago, I don't have it handy now
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14:06 | What was your firmware name again?
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14:07 | <bennabiy> insydeh20
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14:09 | alkisg: that search takes a while to complete...
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14:10 | <alkisg> Yeah the ltsp server seems to be an actual 386 :D
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14:10 | <alkisg> I think it was saying something like "set a supervisor pass to disable secure boot, then save, reenter firmware, switch to legacy"
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14:12 | Anyway, are you still having issues booting those machines over the network? either with uefi or with a local kernel?
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14:14 | <bennabiy> I cannot network boot yet, but can load an Ubuntu install, so I know UEFI works for local boot
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14:15 | I set the password, but secure boot was not enabled in the first place, and no legacy mode to select
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14:15 | Btw, "In order to change the secure boot setting, you need to set a supervisor password. Once password is set, secure boot setting will no longer be greyed out. Disable. Switch UEFI to legacy and save. Now enter BIOS again and clear the supervisor password."
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14:15 | UEFI only shows IPV4 V6 and Both V4 and V6
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14:15 | no legacy
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14:16 | It mentions it on the side, with a comment OPROM only)
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14:16 | <alkisg> "switch uefi to legacy" is not for the network booting
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14:16 | It's for the whole firmware
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14:16 | <bennabiy> I could not find that
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14:16 | <alkisg> Once you enable legacy firmware, i.e. bios, then you won't even see an uefi network booting option at all
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14:16 | OK
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14:16 | <bennabiy> only thing mentioning legacy is legacy android
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14:16 | as os
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14:16 | or GMIN
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14:17 | whatever that is
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14:17 | <alkisg> Anyways, what about the local kernel thing? Did you made that work?
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14:17 | <bennabiy> It is the worst firmware I have ever worked with
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14:17 | I only got to a busy box
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14:18 | <alkisg> With what error message?
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14:18 | <bennabiy> will have to do it again to see
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14:18 | <alkisg> OK, also note /proc/cmdline when you do
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14:18 | I've been using that method for years in a laptop of mine
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14:19 | <bennabiy> ok, one moment
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14:19 | <alkisg> (I have a local uefi installation there for tests, so I don't want to have to enter the firmware to switch to csm every time I netboot it)
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14:33 | <bennabiy> alkisg: ok, so I busyboxed... /proc/cmdline shows... BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-36-generic.efi.signed root=/dev/nbd0 init=/sbin/ltsp-init ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
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14:34 | It is funny, that is not the kernel I put on there from the server...
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14:34 | I put a 4.6 kernel
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14:34 | but I did install ltsp-client on the local install
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14:35 | I switched the root= to /dev/nbd0 from the mmcblketc,,,,
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14:36 | I am thinking that if I cannot get this to work for LTSP, I am just going to turn them into PBX boxes
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14:50 | <bennabiy> So I get a no network interfaces found when I boot local kernel etc
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14:51 | I need to run, but will check in later today
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14:51 | * bennabiy waves | |
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15:44 | <alkisg> 14:33<bennabiy> alkisg: ok, so I busyboxed... /proc/cmdline shows... BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-36-generic.efi.signed root=/dev/nbd0 init=/sbin/ltsp-init ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
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15:44 | ==> that means that you're using the local kernel and initrd, i.e. you didn't manage to correctly edit grub.cfg
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17:56 | <kracosta> Hi !!. i need some help.. i cant broadcast my screen
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17:57 | im using linuxmint on Mate desktop
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18:09 | <alkisg> kracosta: everything else is working ok?
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18:10 | Which epoptes version do you have? dpkg -l epoptes
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19:53 | <kracosta> hi!.. i was in class :P... im using version 0.5.7-1
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19:56 | only the broadcast functions are not working, everything else is working ok
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20:55 | <alkisg> kracosta: you have an old version which has a few known issues that may cause this
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20:55 | So before even trying to troubleshoot it, upgrade it, by using the stable epoptes ppa
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20:55 | Which distro/version do you have?
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21:01 | <kracosta> i have netrunner
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21:01 | how do i upgrade the epoptes version??
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21:40 | <alkisg> kracosta: what's the output of: cat /etc/os-release
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21:41 | and the result of: apt-cache policy epoptes
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21:41 | Put those to pastebin
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21:41 | If netrunner is based on kubuntu, then you just need to use the stable epoptes ppa
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21:44 | !termbin
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21:44 | <ltsp> termbin: To share the output of some command, run: command | nc termbin.com 9999 . This executes command , sends its output to termbin.com, and returns a URL. Paste this URL here to share the command output with us.
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21:55 | <alkisg> http://www.epoptes.org/documentation/ppa
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22:28 | <JohnD> Hello
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22:29 | I am new to ltsp
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22:30 | I have a question about Ubuntu 14.4 it
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22:30 | Ltsp
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22:31 | KI installed it and logged in
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22:31 | How do I access the management gui
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22:33 | I when to the Ubuntu website to download it but couldn't find it
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22:37 | <vagrantc> what are you trying to manage?
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