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Channel log from 23 September 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:02 | <pxeguy> Hi Guys, has anyone managed to get efi bios working with LTSP clients
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| 08:03 | I'm not getting past the "initialising devices" part in the network boot screen, it just boot loops over and over again. I'm using a mikrotik to point the client to the PXE boot file /ltsp/amd64/ipxe.efi
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| 08:03 | it's under the tftp root directory
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| 08:25 | <cyberorg> pxeguy, i've tested this https://github.com/openSUSE/kiwi/wiki/Setup-PXE-boot-with-EFI-Using-GRUB2
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| 08:25 | works on ubuntu also, adapt it as per your configuration
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| 08:26 | <pxeguy> Thanks man, I will use that. I was worried that it wouldn't work with ubuntu, thanks for confirming that.
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| 08:32 | <al-geo> hello people. Im little confused, i did setup kiwi-ltsp server and connect 2-3 clients. and all of them are just logged in server with ssh or rdesktop? than what is the meaning of i386.img? on clients lsb_release -a shows x86_64. i even dont know what to ask: can i change to login on client? (clients are diskless) can client have own IP? own arch? i find run apps localy option but if arch is different its useless for me. P.S. sorry for
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| 08:35 | <cyberorg> al-geo, http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Concepts thinclient mode everything runs on server after login, i386.img is used only to boot the client
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| 08:36 | fatclient mode everything runs on the client, so whatever is installed in i386.img or x86_64.img is run on the client, arch will show the image it was booting from
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| 08:37 | https://sourceforge.net/p/kiwi-ltsp/wiki/Customizing%20Image/ explains fatclient bit more
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| 08:38 | <pxeguy> Hi Cyberorg, I'm using a method where by the storage is on the server and the client does all the work i.e the server just provides the image but the client actually does the work
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| 08:42 | <cyberorg> pxeguy, on ubuntu, the difference was tftp path /var/lib/tftpboot and grub-mkstandalone -d /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/ -O x86_64-efi --fonts="unicode" -o bootx64.efi boot/grub/grub.cfg
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| 08:42 | rest everything as per kiwi's guide, other thing is this does not work if dnsmasq is run in proxy mode
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| 08:43 | <pxeguy> do I need to use dnsmasq for this to work, because with pxelinux.0 it worked just fine on a legacy bios
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| 08:46 | <cyberorg> pxeguy, this is what working dnsmasq.d/ltsp.conf looks like http://paste.opensuse.org/58123039
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| 08:47 | <pxeguy> so essentially, dnsmasq doesn't replace dhcp right?
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| 08:47 | and I can continue using dhcp on my mikrotik?
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| 08:48 | <cyberorg> pxeguy, it replaces dhcp
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| 08:48 | xinetd and named as well
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| 08:48 | <pxeguy> yes, so that is my problem at the moment. I need to use the mikrotik
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| 08:48 | to provide the boot file name etc
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| 08:48 | and dhcp
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| 08:49 | <cyberorg> then try providing bootx64.efi instead of pxelinux
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| 08:50 | <pxeguy> Have tried that aswell, I don't think I did it correctly though
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| 08:50 | It just skipped everything
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| 08:50 | and didn't even go into that booting environment
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| 08:50 | or the network boot screen
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| 09:05 | <alkisg> pxeguy: if you are able to switch your clients to legacy (csm) mode, it's by far easier than configuring ltsp to work with uefi :)
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| 09:06 | So do research that route, before continuing...
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| 09:06 | <pxeguy> yes it works fully with legacy boot and pxelinux.0
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| 09:06 | well not really.
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| 09:06 | It worked with an older thin client
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> I mean with the new clients, to configure them so that they don't use uefi but legacy csm mode
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| 09:07 | <pxeguy> but when I used this newer model all in one client, it loads everything but when it gets to where it's supposed to display the splash screen
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> Usually there's an option for that in their firmware
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| 09:07 | <pxeguy> but the display flashes green, blue, red...as if it's not able to display it
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| 09:07 | yes I'm configured that in the bios
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| 09:07 | and it loads fine
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| 09:08 | <alkisg> If you get it to load the kernel+initrd, then you're done
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| 09:08 | <pxeguy> yes it does
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| 09:08 | <alkisg> The next parts are not related to bios/uefi
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| 09:08 | <pxeguy> for sure
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| 09:08 | <alkisg> I.e. even if you implement uefi booting, you'll still see the display issue
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| 09:08 | <pxeguy> I see
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| 09:08 | then it is a problem with the actual unit?
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| 09:08 | weird
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| 09:09 | it's like it doesn't want to pickup the display
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> So, try "nomodeset" or other things to troubleshoot it, not uefi
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| 09:10 | !nomodeset
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| 09:10 | <ltsp> nomodeset: Unfortunately, Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) doesn't work well with some cards. To disable it, open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset".
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> Try this ^
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| 09:11 | <pxeguy> cool thankyou alkisg
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| 09:11 | <alkisg> You're welcome; but try it first, and if it doesn't work there are other things to try as well
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| 09:11 | <pxeguy> yes for sure
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| 09:11 | I'm still going to push with efi
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| 09:12 | because there are about 25 clients
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> OK, but note that it's not really supported by many of the related software
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| 09:12 | <pxeguy> hmmm
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> It will be in a couple of years
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| 09:12 | <pxeguy> alright I understand
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| 09:12 | lemme try your suggestion and I'll let you know, should take me 5 mins
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| 10:12 | <pxeguy> alkisg: I cannot find this quiet splash option, my path is /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 10:12 | that quiet splash isn't in there for some reason
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> pxeguy: it's disabled in 16.04
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| 10:31 | Put it right next to forcepae
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| 10:38 | <pxeguy> # This file is regenerated when update-kernels runs. Do not edit # directly, edit the client's /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf instead. default ltsp-NBD ontimeout ltsp-NBD # This file is regenerated when update-kernels runs. # Do not edit, see /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf instead. label ltsp-NBD menu label LTSP, using NBD kernel vmlinuz-4.4.0-28-generic append ro initrd=initrd.img-4.4.0-28-generic init=/sbin/init-ltsp forcepae root=
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| 10:38 | sorry how do I paste something?
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| 10:39 | I want to show you the config
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| 10:39 | <alkisg> cat file | nc termbin.com 9999
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| 10:40 | !termbin
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| 10:40 | <ltsp> termbin: To share the output of some command, run: command | nc termbin.com 9999 . This executes command , sends its output to termbin.com, and returns a URL. Paste this URL here to share the command output with us.
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| 10:40 | <al-geo> cyberorg how can i log in fat client with root? i have root on server and i even "kiwi-ltsp --unpack-image i386, kiwi-ltsp --chroot i386, passwd root and kiwi-ltsp -l2 i386, rcklaoe restart" but sand clock is rounding and rounding on client
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| 10:40 | <alkisg> pxeguy: init=/sbin/init-ltsp forcepae nomodeset
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| 10:40 | Put it there
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| 10:40 | <pxeguy> okay ty
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| 10:41 | on all of the lines with forcepae?
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> The first one should be enough
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| 10:41 | <pxeguy> okay
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| 10:42 | done
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| 10:42 | can I go ahead and test again, or restart some services?
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| 10:42 | <cyberorg> al-geo, ltsp uses username and passwords created on the server, to log into the client follow https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KIWI-LTSP_tips_and_tricks#Passwordless_ssh_to_the_client
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| 10:44 | or boot the client in fatclient mode, log in as normal user and then use root password you created in the image
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| 10:45 | <pxeguy> fantastic alkisg
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| 10:45 | that worked ;)
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| 10:46 | <cyberorg> or use epoptes to launch local terminal as root
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| 10:56 | <pxeguy> Hi alkisg, another question, I've managed to boot up in legacy with this client, my resolution is just really off. it's about a 21 inch screen but the rez is at
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| 10:56 | 1024x768 4:3
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| 10:56 | where is the setting to change that?
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| 11:10 | <al-geo> cyberorg thank you :D. now new problem :D in client ip addr shows ip 192.168.50.49/32 and i want 192.168.50.49/22. i did change by myself in server /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp -> SERVER_IPS="192.168.50.20/22" but after kiwi-ltsp -c it returns to 192.168.50.20
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| 11:13 | <cyberorg> al-geo, you'll have to read networking and dnsmasq documentation, ip addresses to the clients are given by your dhcp server
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| 11:14 | depends on what the server uses /22 or /32
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| 11:15 | <al-geo> server uses /22
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| 11:15 | in /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd i didnt find option like that
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| 11:16 | ok i will figure out something. thank you very much
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| 11:17 | <cyberorg> dnsmasq is used for dhcp
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| 11:55 | <pxeguy> yo cyberorg
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| 11:56 | when I set my X_MODE_0 =
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| 11:56 | to my desired resolution, it doesn't seem to take it on my client
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| 11:56 | I've set XRANDR_DISABLE=True
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| 11:57 | <cyberorg> pxeguy, try to set it manually using xrandr in client terminal
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| 11:57 | <pxeguy> where would I set that?
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| 11:57 | in the client terminal
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| 11:58 | <cyberorg> yes
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| 11:58 | <pxeguy> command to set it?
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| 11:58 | <cyberorg> xrandr is the command
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| 11:59 | <pxeguy> xrandr 1600x900?
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| 12:00 | <cyberorg> if it shows when you run xrandr, then xrandr -s 1600x900, see xrandr --help
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| 12:01 | <pxeguy> says "size 1600x900 not found in available modes"
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| 12:06 | Ithink it's because I need to set the aspect ratio as well
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| 12:08 | <cyberorg> pxeguy, see xrandr --help (-q) you can only set supported resolutions
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| 12:08 | <pxeguy> oh I see
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| 12:08 | highest is 1024x768
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| 12:09 | <cyberorg> then you'd have to ask your #distro channel or google for how to troubleshoot that
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| 12:20 | <Alyssandro> vixe
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| 12:20 | Bom dia!
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| 12:20 | alguem ai fala portugues?
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| 12:21 | estou com um problema que parece facil de resolver mas ate o momento nao achei solução nem na net
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| 12:21 | vou usat o google translate
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| 12:21 | I have a problem that seems easy to solve but so far not found solution or on the net
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| 12:22 | someone willing to give me a hand?
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| 12:24 | no one?
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| 12:24 | <razielle_tzu> sorry, what is the problem?
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| 12:26 | <Alyssandro> "route del default gw 192.168.0.1"
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| 12:27 | sorry
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| 12:27 | I need to send a root command to run in the "Run command on the selected client" but does not work. Example: I want to run the "route del default gw 192.168.0.1". but not nothing happens.
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| 12:28 | already realized that command root does not work perfectly, but when it is a root command does not work.
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| 12:30 | also already I tried the command using sudo. did not work.
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| 12:31 | already I tried to create a script and run the server, as is the same way only works if you have common User commands if User root command does not work. even giving the necessary permissions.
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| 12:33 | also already I tried to give full permission for the file and for anyone using the tag "-s" with the chmod command and also failed.
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| 12:33 | Any idea?
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| 12:36 | <razielle_tzu> not really but i'm not surprised that i don't, i'm new to administrating an ltsp system. i just wanted more info for the people that might be able to help
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| 12:36 | i wasn't aware that routing applications that way was possible to be honest
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| 12:37 | *commands not applications
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| 12:39 | <Alyssandro> Good ! OK. Thank you for your help. I'll keep trying. do not give up yet. I'll try to see the documentation deeply to try to find this problem and solve it on my desktop.
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| 12:40 | <razielle_tzu> ok, good luck
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| 12:40 | <Alyssandro> thanks
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> (01:56:44 μμ) pxeguy: Hi alkisg, another question, I've managed to boot up in legacy with this client, my resolution is just really off. it's about a 21 inch screen but the rez is at
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| 13:02 | ==> which distro/version/kernel are you using?
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| 13:02 | It's probably an issue with new hardware and old kernel/xorg
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| 13:54 | <al-geo> cyberorg :( i didnt find where problem is. on my fat client dhcp gives true IP but false GATEWAY and NETMASK. on my server ip=192.168.50.20/24 gateway=192.168.50.1 . but on client ip=192.168.50.49/32 , default gateway=server ?
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| 13:55 | <pxeguy> alkisg: I tried to use XRANDR but the max res is 1024x768
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| 13:56 | <al-geo> on server in /etc/dnsmasq.d/kiwi-ltsp.conf there is only dhcp-range=192.168.50.20,192.168.50.252,1h
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| 13:58 | how can i add default gateway and netmask ?
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| 14:02 | <pxeguy> the difference was tftp path /var/lib/tftpboot and grub-mkstandalone -d /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/ -O x86_64-efi --fonts="unicode" -o bootx64.efi boot/grub/grub.cfg
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| 14:03 | cyberorg: Hi Man, refer to the message you posted earlier
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| 14:03 | when you say the differences I understand the /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 14:03 | but I have to run the rest of those commands ?
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> pxeguy: I can't help if you don't answer the questions...
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| 14:16 | (04:02:30 μμ) alkisg: ==> which distro/version/kernel are you using?
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| 14:17 | <pxeguy> oh sorry man
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| 14:17 | ubuntu 16.04
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> And which hardware is that? amd?
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| 14:17 | lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA, on the client
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| 14:18 | <pxeguy> intel corporation sky lake integrated graphics
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> pxeguy: is that on the server, or on the client?
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| 14:19 | <pxeguy> client
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> What does the client prompt say, user@server, or user@ltsp123?
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| 14:19 | <pxeguy> user@ltsp123
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> So it is a fat client?
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| 14:20 | <pxeguy> yes indeed
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| 14:20 | that how we needed to set it up
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| 14:20 | works out a lot better for us
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> Sure, that's fine and recommended
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| 14:20 | How is the monitor connected? hdmi?
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| 14:21 | <pxeguy> it's an all in one system
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| 14:21 | hp pro-one g400 2
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| 14:21 | quite expensive
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> Put the output of these commands to pastebin:
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| 14:21 | lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 14:21 | cat /proc/cmdline
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| 14:21 | xrandr
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| 14:21 | and finally the contents of /var/log/Xorg.7.log
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| 14:22 | <pxeguy> okay let me log onto ltsp irc
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| 14:22 | from the client
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| 14:23 | <pxeguy1> alkisg: hi it's pxeguy
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| 14:25 | <cyberorg> alkisg, pxeguy1 this could be related http://askubuntu.com/questions/811453/w-possible-missing-firmware-for-module-i915-bpo-when-updating-initramfs
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| 14:25 | al-geo, read up on dnsmasq docs
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| 14:25 | <alkisg> cyberorg, pxeguy1, the resolution issue is because of nomodeset
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| 14:25 | nomodeset needs to be removed, but xorg needs to be fixed for the blank screen as well
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| 14:26 | bb in 20 mins
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| 14:26 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 14:28 | <pxeguy1> http://pastebin.com/K0StW0bH
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| 14:32 | <pxeguy1> http://pastebin.com/4vBsfd78
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| 14:32 | the above is for xorg.7.log
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> pxeguy1, you didn't include the output of xrandr
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| 14:55 | Or is it really empty?
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| 14:56 | pxeguy1, now you should remove nomodeset so that the proper driver is used
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| 14:56 | Because now you lack acceleration etc
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| 14:57 | You'll get a blank screen; to troubleshoot it more easily, install epoptes
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| 14:57 | !epoptes
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| 14:57 | <ltsp> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 14:57 | <pxeguy1> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768 default connected primary 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1024x768 61.00* 800x600 61.00 640x480 60.00
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| 14:57 | that's from xrandr
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> OK, you can add more resolutions, but it's not the proper solution because now you don't have a driver
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| 14:58 | So, remove nomodeset, install epoptes, and we'll continue then
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| 14:58 | <pxeguy> apt-get epoptes?
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| 14:58 | apt-get install epoptes?
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| 14:59 | on the server right?
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> See the link I gave
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| 14:59 | It has documentation for how to install it
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| 14:59 | Did you use ltsp-pnp?
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| 14:59 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 14:59 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 15:00 | <pxeguy> I need to ask my co-worker
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> ls /opt/ltsp/ on the server
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| 15:01 | if you see an i386 or amd64 folder there, you *didn't* use ltsp-pnp
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| 15:01 | Or paste the output of: ltsp-info
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| 15:02 | <pxeguy> amd64 images
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| 15:02 | that's the output of my ls /opt/ltsp
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| 15:03 | http://pastebin.com/qbGxdsiY
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> OK then you have a chroot, you're not using ltsp-pnp
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| 15:03 | (that means you make it harder for yourself...)
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| 15:03 | See the epoptes web site, it has instructions on how to install epoptes both to the server and the chroot
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| 15:04 | <pxeguy> yeah I saw the instructions for the chroot
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| 15:04 | hahaha how much harder?
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> Now? Much...
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| 15:04 | <pxeguy> oh boy
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> If you don't have specific needs for a chroot, ltsp-pnp is much easier
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| 15:05 | But ok you've already set up everything, so no worries; I hope you're not missing any firmware packages though...
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| 15:05 | <pxeguy> I hope so as well..
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| 15:06 | which is the link you would follow for ltsp-pnp?
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| 15:06 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 15:06 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> yup that one
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| 15:09 | <al-geo> people can you give me link or pdf where i can read about dnsmasq that helps? because what ever i do with /etc/dnsmasq.d/kiwi-ltsp.conf its rolling back after kiwi-ltsp -d or kiwi-ltsp -c
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| 15:13 | <pxeguy> I'll catch you later alkisg
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| 15:13 | going home from work now
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| 21:38 | <POP_> HI
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| 21:39 | i'm use ltsp on open suse my problem that i want to know how to build image to my clients
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