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Channel log from 5 June 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:32 | <try2free> hi
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| 01:32 | anyone using scanner on terminal?
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| 03:33 | <try2free> hi
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| 03:33 | anyone using scanner on terminal?
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| 03:51 | <_Shane> Yes.
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| 04:15 | <try2free> _Shane: can you help me?
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| 04:16 | i try all, but still can not access scanner
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| 04:16 | _Shane: intructions from http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Scanners
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| 04:17 | _Shane: did i miss something important? because scanimage -L no scanner detected
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| 04:18 | <_Shane> try2free: OK, I didn't follow those as they are for LTSP4.2 and my setup is LTSP5.
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| 04:18 | try2free: you will need to have sane-backeds installed on both the server and the client chroot.
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| 04:20 | try2free: Then in the client chroot configure sane as the server (/etc/sane.d/net.conf)
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| 04:21 | try2free: Oops the previous shoudl be ${client-chroot}/etc/saned.d/net./conf
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| 04:22 | try2free: Gah! Ignore the last two lines.
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| 04:22 | <try2free> _Shane: i am using ubuntu 8.04 with LTSP5
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| 04:22 | _Shane: sane-backeds?
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| 04:23 | <_Shane> try2free: On the server configure it as a client. In /etc/sane.d/net.conf put the ip address(es) of the terminal.
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| 04:24 | <try2free> _Shane: it's done
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| 04:25 | <_Shane> try2free: In the client chroot add or uncomment "net" from /etc/sane.d/dll.conf
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| 04:26 | <try2free> _Shane: it's done too
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| 04:26 | _Shane: you mean i must install sane-backends ?
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| 04:27 | <_Shane> try2free: add the LTSP server IP address(es) to teh client chroot /etc/sane.d/saned.conf
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| 04:27 | <try2free> _Shane: i try this one
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| 04:28 | <_Shane> !pastebot
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| 04:28 | <ltspbot> _Shane: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 04:29 | <ltsppbot> "_shane" pasted "runsaned script for saned daemon on client" (32 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/367
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| 04:29 | <try2free> how to client chroot /etc/sane.d/saned.conf??
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| 04:30 | <_Shane> I've just pasted the bulk of a startup script for the thin client. Next I will paste the script that it lainches.
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| 04:31 | <ltsppbot> "_shane" pasted "scanner daemon script." (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/368
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| 04:31 | <try2free> _Shane: sorry i don't know how to use that
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| 04:32 | _Shane: very difficult to try
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| 04:34 | <_Shane> try2free: It might be easier to look at a startup script for a simple service, then copy and modify it to suit launching the second script.
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| 04:35 | try2free: I had to use this as starting the saned deamon from xinetd worked for the first connection and then stopped.
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| 04:36 | try2free: OK lets take this back a step or two.
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| 04:37 | try2free: Have you set up a shell login on the terminal you are setting up?
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| 04:37 | <try2free> yes
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| 04:38 | <_Shane> Have you done the client chroot configuration, rebooted the client, and tested for the scanner at a shell login?
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| 04:38 | <try2free> no
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| 04:41 | <_Shane> Ok could you do that so we know the client/scanner communication work.
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| 04:41 | <try2free> ok i'll try
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| 04:47 | <try2free> thanks to help, i must go. bye
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| 07:06 | <IHS_intern> So, I've downloaded LTSP on ubuntu, and want it to do the PXE boot stuff to eth0, while eth1 connects to the outside world. I've downloaded ltsp-server-standalone and openssh-server, and am currently doing ltsp-build-client
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| 07:07 | I -don not- want the DHCP server part from trying to serve DHCP on eth1, as the network eth1 is connecting to already has a DHCP server.
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| 07:08 | <alkisg> IHS_intern: if you set up your eth0 to 192.168.0.254 it should work fine
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| 07:08 | The default /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf uses this subnet, so dhcpd will see which NIC to hook to.
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| 07:09 | (I suppose eth1 does not have network id = 192.168.0.x)
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| 07:11 | <IHS_intern> editing network settings isn't something I'm familiar to, so before I google, can you tell me off the top of your head what I need to do?
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| 07:12 | <alkisg> Hmmm if you had used the alternate cd it wouldn't need any settings
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| 07:12 | OK, do this: gksu gedit /etc/network/interfaces
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| 07:14 | What do you see in there? Paste it to pastebot:
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| 07:14 | !pastebot
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| 07:14 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 07:15 | <IHS_intern> It's 2 lines auto lo and iface lo inet loopback
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| 07:16 | also, gedit didn't open, so I used nano.
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| 07:17 | <alkisg> gedit didn't open? Is that the deskop edition, or the server edition?
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| 07:17 | <IHS_intern> desktop.
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| 07:18 | <alkisg> IHS_intern: ok, can you also upload to pastebot the results of this command: ifconfig -a
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| 07:18 | <ltsppbot> "IHS_intern" pasted "ifconfig -a" (36 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/369
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| 07:19 | <IHS_intern> Xubuntu 9.04, desktop.
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| 07:19 | <alkisg> IHS_intern: ok do these, but warning, you'll lose your network for some seconds: (wait until you have all the info):
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| 07:19 | sudo invoke-rc.d networking stop
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> Then replace the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces with those:
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| 07:20 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "interfaces file for IHS_intern" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/370
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> And finally: sudo invoke-rc.d networking start
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| 07:20 | That should give you the correct static IP in eth0.
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| 07:21 | <IHS_intern> alright, that's it? if yes I'm about to try it.
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> Yes, do that
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| 07:32 | <IHS_Intern> On a different computer, eth1 won't come back up on that computer.
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| 07:33 | <IHS_Intern> Downloading the Desktop alt. CD, will the LTSP stuff be on it? (it's almost done...but it doesn't take too awfully long to download here at the school)
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| 07:33 | Ubuntu 8.04.2 Desktop alt cd*
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> Hmmm sorry, I don't understand why. Is eth0 ok? does ifconfig show the correct ip for it?
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| 07:33 | <IHS_Intern> eth0 shows the correct IP.
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> OK, then do the same thing but with this intefaces:
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| 07:35 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "new interfaces for IHS_Intern" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/371
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> With the networking stop/start so that you don't have to reboot
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| 07:38 | <IHS_Intern> execve (/sbin/dhclient-script, ...): Permission Denied repeats a few times, and it doesn't show up in ifconfig\
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> After the first change in interfaces, did you reboot, or just used the networking stop/start?
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| 07:39 | <IHS_Intern> stop/start
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> Maybe the network manager has some glitches
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| 07:40 | Could you retry with the *first* interfaces file, but reboot instead of stop/start?
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| 07:40 | * alkisg always removed NetworkManager in ltsp servers... | |
| 07:41 | <IHS_Intern> Well, something else went horribly wrong I see...looked away from terminal, and XFCE is definetly still running, the bars are still there.. but applications and places vanished. along with my icons.
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| 07:42 | and the alt-desktop cd (8.04)is almost done. I'll wait for it, the longer support will be nice anyways.
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> Changing the interfaces file shouldn't have anything to do with applications and places vanishing. Do try a reboot with the first interfaces file though...
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| 07:47 | <IHS_Intern> Aaaand important detail I forgot to mention(thought I had, actually, I see I didn't) It was on a live CD. I've got at best 2 hours 20 minutes left before summer, when I'm done working as an intern.
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> Erm, the system RAM on a live CD wouldn't be enough to hold all the files for ltsp-build-client
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| 07:48 | <IHS_Intern> how many GB does it need?
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> So what you saw was probably problems due to insufficient memory
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| 07:48 | In RAM? It's supposed to be written to disk...
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| 07:50 | E.g. /opt/ltsp/i386 is 516 Mb in my disk, but I don't think it would be so little if a tmpfs was used...
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| 07:50 | and /opt/ltsp/images is another 200
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| 07:54 | IHS_Intern: the alternate CD *is not* a live CD, you'd have to install it to try it
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| 07:55 | <IHS_Intern> alkisg, I know. LiveCD was trying while downloading the alternate, and hoping it would work like that.
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| 08:00 | <cyberorg> IHS_Intern, if you want liveDVD for ltsp try http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live
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| 08:00 | there's a live usb stick too
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| 08:06 | <IHS_Intern> the alternate CD does make it a lot more simple, thus far/
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| 08:54 | <pmatulis> my client issues this command during login
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| 08:54 | ssh -Y -t -M -S /var/run/ldm_socket_4968_10.0.0.1 user@server echo LTSPROCKS; /bin/sh -
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| 08:55 | how does this work actually? each x program launched uses this to forward back to the client?
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> pmatulis: yes
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| 09:04 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: there's a 2nd similar command used as well, containing env variables, it runs /etc/X11/Xsession, what is that about, to get the initial display?
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> That's the actual Xsession.
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| 09:06 | The first login sets up an ssh command socket, and establishes the X forwarding
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| 09:06 | the second ssh actually runs your X session.
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| 09:07 | You can read how ltsp works in the documentation
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| 09:07 | !docs
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| 09:07 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 09:09 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: did a search on 'forwarding' and it just has iptables stuff
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| 09:10 | also nothing on 'xsession' except 'LDM_XSESSION' variable
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> ssh itself can do X forwarding.
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| 09:10 | <pmatulis> ok :)
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> man ssh for details
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| 09:17 | <IHS_Intern> LTSP now sort-of works. starts to load, gets to initrd.img then shows the loading screen, and freezes. It at one point was running on 10mbit, got it to 100mbit by undoing a second NIC in the client..then hooked them directly together, both should have gigabit.
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| 09:17 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: what's the point of "echo LTSPROCKS"?
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| 09:19 | <alkisg> IHS_Intern: put your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and the result of ifconfig to pastebot
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> pmatulis: We need a sentinel to know when we've logged in
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| 09:21 | unfortunately, ssh's SSH_ASKPASS mechanism doesn't extend to expired passwords
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| 09:21 | <pmatulis> ok, where does it make itself known?
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| 09:21 | <sbalneav> so we actually have to manage the login process by "emualting" a tty.
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| 09:21 | looking for the password prompts, etc.
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| 09:22 | the only way we can tell if the session is logged in is to see a predefined string come down the tty
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| 09:22 | <ltsppbot> "IHS_intern" pasted "dhcpd.conf and ifconfig -a" (57 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/372
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| 09:22 | <sbalneav> we chose "LTSPROCKS"
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| 09:23 | the ltsp display manager (ldm) is what manages the login process.
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| 09:24 | IHS_Intern: Could be either a network problem, or a problem detecting the video card.
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| 09:25 | <IHS_Intern> well, I have all summer to figure it out. I got ~10 minutes right now, and later tonight, graduation.
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| 09:25 | <alkisg> IHS_Intern: open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove "quiet splash" from there so that you can see the error messages
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| 09:29 | <IHS_Intern> apparently, there's no such thing as eth0, so it can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf, it then kernel panics.
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| 09:29 | <alkisg> What chipset does that nic have? Can you try a different one?
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| 09:30 | <IHS_Intern> It's an intel integrated one, at least as new as socket 775. I'll try another one.
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| 09:31 | <IHS_Intern> Oh, right, that's the dell with the impossible to open case...I'll try another computer.
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| 09:33 | And a gateway booted, quick-like.
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| 09:35 | now, in my last few minutes.. how can I see what speed I'm connected as?
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> cross cable?
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| 09:35 | <IHS_Intern> Yeah. Not sure what the gateway has. the switches are all 100mbit
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| 09:36 | so I connected directly
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> sudo ethtool eth0 on the server
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| 09:37 | (if your nic supports it)
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| 09:37 | <IHS_Intern> gigabit, yay!
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| 09:38 | just need to be able to afford gigabit 24port switches
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| 09:38 | <alkisg> gigabit from server to switch and 100mbps to the clients are also pretty OK... those switches are cheaper
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> Has anyone tried video players as localapps? Am I right to assume that totem and vlc are not appropriate because they use gconf?
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| 10:35 | <try2free> hi
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| 10:35 | anyone using scanner on terminal?
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| 10:49 | <pmatulis> how does the pxelinux boot file know which kernel/initrd to use?
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| 10:49 | <ogra> from pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 10:52 | <pmatulis> of course, thx
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| 10:52 | <try2free> anyone using scanner on terminal?
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| 10:52 | <stgraber> alkisg: we use mozilla-mplayer here
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| 10:52 | with a firefox as localapp
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| 10:52 | <alkisg> stgraber: does that have a way to open a file other than firefox navigation?
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| 10:53 | I.e. a file > open menu?
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| 10:53 | <stgraber> I don't think so
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| 10:53 | <alkisg> OK, thanks... I think mplayer and gxine will work, but I haven't tried them
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| 10:54 | <try2free> i am follow instruction on http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Scanners but scanner stil not detected, anyone can help?
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| 11:13 | <Mip5> Hey Gang - I hope all are well.
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| 11:13 | I'd like to setup my ltsp servers (jaunty) to connect to our Mac OS X ldap servers (so we can have one place to manage usernames and passwords).
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| 11:14 | I've tried the following link for a single linux client (jaunty) as a first step. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OSXLDAPClientAuthentication
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| 11:15 | But I can't get a successful test result from: getent passwd - have any of you worked with this?
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| 11:25 | <sbalneav> Mip5: Not really an ltsp question per se. Might have better luck in #ubuntu
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| 11:27 | <Mip5> sbalneav - good idea. I'll try that. Once I get it going on the single client, I'll have to bring it back to the ltsp server, but hopefully it'll be a similar process.
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| 12:02 | <staffencasa> Anyone, is there documentation on the issues with DNS in the current version?
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| 12:28 | <Bob_Dole> is it possible to share the connection from the connection to the outside world to systems on the same NIC serving the LTSP terminals.. ie if I hook a system not netbooting to the same switch as the systems that are, I can get online with it?
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| 12:29 | can I get online with it*
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| 12:32 | <Mip5> sbalneav - I got no responses over at #ubuntu. Can you recommend any reference documentation for me on this? I'm running jaunty client (and eventually jaunty ltsp server). The tutorial I followed was based on 8.04 - have there been a lot of changes that might affect binding to an ldap server?
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> Bob_Dole: see the section about IP Masquerading in https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html (don't know your distro though)
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| 13:09 | <Bob_Dole> And as I think I'm about done.. I'm a tad bit confused, at the NAT table rules
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| 13:14 | -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE it says this is forwarding eth1 through eth0.. so eth0 is the outside connection here? and the IP range... should it be as the same as the main Router hands out(I get the feeling this is a no) and the /24, is this meaning 192.168.0.0-192.168.0.24?
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| 13:18 | <sbalneav> Mip5: I have no experience with Mac LDAP servers, so I don't know.
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| 13:19 | All my experience is with OpenLDAP
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| 13:21 | <Mip5> sbalneav - thanks. I'm looking at the traffic in wireshark, and seeing a failure response from my mac osx server (no such object) when I run getent passwd.
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| 13:22 | I'll have to around in the docs to see if I can find the common ground. It *should* work roughly the same, as Apple is purportedly using LDAPv3
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| 13:24 | Thanks all - ciao for now.
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| 13:30 | <Bob_Dole> reading the next method explained the first better, so nevermind. It works :3
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| 13:44 | <IBC_jkenney> Hello
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| 13:44 | i was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction
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| 13:44 | i want to restrict my thin clients to use enlightenment as the desktop manager
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| 13:44 | i google
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| 13:44 | i am now in tears
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| 13:45 | does anyone know where i can find it using ubunto LTSP and if i have to rebuild the thin client afterwords?
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| 13:45 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 13:45 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 13:45 | <sbalneav> I beleive there's a session on setting the Xsession
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| 13:45 | section, sorry
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| 13:46 | LDM_SESSION, iirc
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| 13:53 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:53 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq!
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| 13:56 | <Lumiere> IBC_jkenney: the easy way is to remove the other WMs from the system
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| 13:56 | so e is the only one left
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| 13:58 | <rjune_> !j
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| 13:58 | <ltspbot> rjune_: "j" is jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:00 | <jammcq> hey rjune_
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| 14:00 | <rjune_> What's new?
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| 14:14 | <jammcq> umm, not much
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| 14:14 | just working hard, and glad to be doing that
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| 14:20 | <IBC_jkenney> I am still a bit confused on how or where to make e17 the default for all thin clients
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| 14:23 | <stgraber> sbalneav: btw, any idea about that logout issue ? I'm available for any kind of testing/debug that would help you with it ;)
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| 14:23 | <sbalneav> IBC_jkenney: If you have an xsession script that comes with enlightenment, have you tried doing an update-alternative x-window-manager?
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| 14:23 | stgraber: I've been working on it on and off all day.
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| 14:23 | <stgraber> sbalneav: I guess it was easy to reproduce ?
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> I upgraded my home machine to Jaunty, so I've been dealing with that on-and-off too.
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| 14:24 | <stgraber> it seems to happen 9/10 times or so
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> Good thing I'm home sick :)
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| 14:24 | <stgraber> yeah ;)
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| 14:25 | <sbalneav> I'm gonna take a break for a bit. My eyes are puffed up from looking at the screen. Gonna go make myself a hot cup of tea.
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> hmmm... looks like the nbd-client -swap option is fixed, now.
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| 14:33 | http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nbd/news/20090605T190204Z.html
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| 15:36 | <matttttt> i've changed our test ltsp server to use our lan's existing dhcp server now instead of the ltsp server for dhcp, it's pointing at the ltsp server for tftp/pxe, that part works, clients boot, get an ip, but the client never gets an ldm login screen, just stays at the opensuse splash forever
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| 15:37 | <Appiah> boot without splash and see if there's an error msg
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> matttttt: put kiwiserver=<your server ip> as a kernel parameter.
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| 15:39 | Ask in #kiwiltsp for how to do that - there was a help page somewhere
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| 15:39 | <matttttt> yeah i did that part
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| 15:39 | found it on the wiki
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| 15:39 | <nubae> cyberorg is probably asleep right now though, best try tomorrow
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> matttttt: I'm talking about this, have you seen it? http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Tips_and_Tricks#Using_another_DHCP_server.2C_not_on_LTSP_server
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| 15:42 | It worked fine for me...
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| 15:43 | <matttttt> yup, that's what i followed.
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> OK then do what Appiah said, remove the splash and check for errors
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| 15:43 | <matttttt> it's weird, i'm watching tcpdump -tni eth0 port 69 on my ltsp/tftp server, i see my client getting the initial pxelinux.0 and booting it
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| 15:43 | then, after having booted the client again without splash, i see the second phase of the boot it's contacting some other tftp server for some reason
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| 15:43 | some other one sitting on my network that i was unaware of, not sure why.
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> Ah, you may have 2 dhcp servers then
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| 15:47 | <matttttt> hmm, we have 2.
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| 15:47 | so what exactly does the second phase of the client boot process do differently? is it just making yet another tftp request?
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| 15:47 | the first one seems to hit the correct tftp server
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> The pxe boot process doesn't accept offers without a boot filename
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| 15:48 | The second one accepts whatever offer comes first
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| 15:50 | In any case you shouldn't have 2 dhcp servers without proper design
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| 15:50 | <matttttt> ok so my client boots, gets it's reserved ip i set up for it, contacts the proper tftp server (my ltsp box), gets pxelinux.0/initrd, then for some reason it looks like the client does another dhcp requset/tftp request to finish booting?
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| 15:50 | what's the second request/phase doing?
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> The first is the pxe one, the second is the os one
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| 15:52 | I don't know what dhcp client opensuse uses, but it could be e.g. dhclient, to renew the leases etc
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| 15:53 | Why do you need 2 dhcp servers in the same network?
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| 15:53 | <matttttt> this isn't my design
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| 15:53 | i just have to deal with it
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| 15:54 | i'm thinking maybe the secondary dhcp server doesn't have my reservation, so i'm checking that now.
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| 15:54 | seems the second time the client dhclients, it's getting a different ip, not the one i reserved for the clients mac.
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> Do you have access to the second dhcp server, to change its configuration?
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| 16:02 | <matttttt> hmm, network guy just left for the day, gotta check tomorrow to see if he made the reservation on the secondary as well.
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| 16:02 | oh well, i'm going in the right direction, thanks alk
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| 16:02 | such bearaucracy working for the state
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| 16:02 | some other button pusher in a different office manages that server
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| 16:02 | <matttttt> not like i can just hop on and vi dhcpd.leases
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| 16:02 | :-(
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| 16:03 | <IBC_jkenney> I am still having a hard time changing the default X session to enlightenment in ubunto jaunty the LTSP version
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> matttttt: you could see what vendor identifier the opensuse client sends (e.g. Ubuntu sends 'Linux ipconfig'), and tell the network guy to modify his server so that it doesn't offer leases to ltsp clients. That way you won't have to declare them one-by-one with mac addresses etc.
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| 18:44 | <supervisor> hi! iḿ have ltsp5 in 5 terminal and all exept one work fine. the kde show infinit loop in splash. Any idea???
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| 20:20 | <try2free> hi
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| 20:21 | anyone using scanner on terminal?
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| 20:23 | <loather-work> a barcode scanner?
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| 20:32 | <try2free> no, flat scanner
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| 20:38 | <Ahmuck> what the frell?!
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| 20:39 | a client computer is playing a flash game and the sound is coming out on the server]
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| 21:54 | <try2free> hi
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| 21:55 | intructions from http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Scanners, i still can not access my scanner, anyone can help?
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