IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 21 March 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:04 | <pmatulis> anyone have problems with tftpd-hpa on lucid after recent kernel upgrade?
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| 05:12 | <mnemoc> what sort of problems?
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| 06:18 | * jsass tips his hat | |
| 06:19 | <jsass> Where is the temporary xorg.conf file created on a booted ltsp client?
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| 06:19 | I seem to remember /var/run...
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| 06:20 | <Appiah> check the xorg log file
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| 06:20 | it should say where
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| 06:21 | <jsass> hmm
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| 06:40 | <cVsup> somebody can help with smartcard
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| 06:40 | ?
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| 06:44 | <Appiah> is there still a bot in this channel?
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| 06:46 | !docs
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| 06:46 | nope >_>
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| 06:46 | cVsup: tried asking?
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| 07:27 | <highvoltage> good morning everyone
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| 07:40 | <elias_a> highvoltage: It is a gorgous, radiant day, isn't it! ;-)
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| 07:46 | <highvoltage> elias_a: indeed!
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| 07:47 | <elias_a> highvoltage: Where are you? Lithuanian IRC server but morning there?
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| 08:24 | <highvoltage> elias_a: well, my IRC session is in Germany but I'm in Canada
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| 08:52 | <ltsp001> I can change whole session (Gnome or LXDE) for users with "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" in latest Edubuntu 11.04
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| 08:53 | But how I can change session inside Gnome, I do not want "Unity 2D" or somethng, I want plain Gnome desktop with no effects?
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| 08:54 | <jsass> alkisg: alexc has written up some information about your request for the LTSP logo licensing. We made a site for it. Here it is: http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ltsp-logo-license.html
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| 08:56 | <ltsp001> btw, Atom/ION thin client works very well with Nouveau/Gnome desktop (no effects). And Google Chrome works very well with Vimeo/HTML5 as a local application
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> jsass: cool, I'll tell vagrantc, he wanted to use it on debian
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| 09:04 | ltsp001: don't you see the available sessions in ldm?
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| 09:05 | <jsass> alkisg: I don't remember if it was you or vagrant that originally asked me about that...
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| 09:05 | <ltsp001> yes, ican choose but how i can force users use classic gnome desktop, default drops in Unity thnig
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> jsass: it was me, but we had a relevant chat with vagrantc before I asked you. In any case, nice job :)
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| 09:06 | <ltsp001> i can force Gnome or LXDE but how I can force more detailed Gnome session
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| 09:16 | <trey_> hey guys
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| 09:17 | I'm thinking about setting some fat clients up for the first time and wanted to know if this link was still for ubuntu
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| 09:17 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 09:17 | <alkisg> "was still for ubuntu" - if you mean valid, then yeah it is
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| 09:18 | <trey_> alkisg: cool ty
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| 09:20 | <alkisg> Although it seems many people have modified it recently, haven't read it in the past 6 months or so, I hope it's still accurate
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| 09:24 | <ltsp001> bye
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| 09:58 | <evil_root> anyone else have issues with fat clients unable to lock the screen?
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| 10:06 | <Roasted_> What's the requirement with mounting /proc when installing applications to the fat image chroot?
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| 10:07 | <highvoltage> All requirements for mounting proc are met, you just have to do so:
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| 10:08 | mount -t proc proc /proc
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| 10:08 | (inside the chroot)
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| 10:08 | <Roasted_> yeah I know. I wa sjust curious what it does.
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| 10:08 | like how it utilizes /proc
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| 10:08 | Me reading a command and just knowing I "just have to do it" is one thing. I like to understand WHAT it's up to. :P
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| 10:08 | <highvoltage> Some applications read things in proc while installing, when it's not mounted, some packages may fail to install
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| 10:09 | <Roasted_> I see. So /proc is the only one that needs to be mounted?
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| 10:09 | then when I'm CD'd into the chroot I can just apt-get install vlc and whatever I desire?
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| 10:09 | and bingo bango it's on the fat clients?
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| 10:10 | <highvoltage> yep
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| 10:10 | <Roasted_> good deal
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| 10:11 | now I'm currently building a fat image. If I decide I want to go back to thin client images, if I just delete /opt/ltsp/i386 and re-initiate the build-client command WITHOUT --fat-client, I grab the thin client image, right?
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| 10:11 | <highvoltage> well, the thin client and fat client chroot is pretty much exactly the same
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| 10:11 | if you speficy fat client you just get more packages installed
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| 10:12 | <Roasted_> would it be smarter to keep the chroot fat and adjust lts.conf to force thin images?
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| 10:12 | <highvoltage> if you don't set a machine as fat client in lts.conf you get a thin client
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| 10:12 | yep, I think that's the best way to do it
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| 10:12 | <Roasted_> I thought if you have a fat client image built and it has above 300mb of RAM it gets fat by default.
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| 10:12 | <highvoltage> you can also easily have a mixed environment then- useful if you have some older machines and newer machines
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| 10:13 | <Roasted_> yeah, I'm not planning on going back to thin. I see more advantages of using a fat chroot. I'm just trying to understand all angles, even if it's not an avenue I want to go with.
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| 10:13 | <highvoltage> hmm, I remember someone requesting that feature at some point, not sure if it got implemented
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| 10:13 | <Roasted_> well even still I can just set that tag in lts.conf
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| 10:13 | to default to fat
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| 10:13 | I forget what it is offhand but I remember reading it
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| 10:13 | <highvoltage> fat chroot is great, you get to use all that local cpu/ram in all the client machines
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| 10:13 | <Roasted_> I thought if I had a fat chroot I used fat image regardless, unless otherwise specified by lts.conf entries.
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| 10:14 | <highvoltage> LTSP_FATCLIENT=true
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| 10:14 | <Roasted_> yeah. that's it.
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| 10:14 | I NEED that for fat images, even if I have a fat chroot with 1gb RAM clients?
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| 10:14 | <highvoltage> (I googled it and got my own blog entry about it as the first hit :p)
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| 10:15 | <Roasted_> for some reason I thought it would just default to fat images if I have sufficient RAM and a fat chroot.
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| 10:15 | without the need for LTSP_FATCLIENT=true
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| 10:16 | <highvoltage> I remember there being a good reason to do it this way, I just can't remember the reason :)
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| 10:16 | <Roasted_> so I DO need that entry in lts.conf
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| 10:16 | I'll write that down...
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| 10:17 | <highvoltage> Roasted_: maybe you're right, my blog entry (http://jonathancarter.org/2010/11/24/how-do-ltsp-fat-clients-work/) doesn't say that you do need it. I guess it's a good idea to write it down anyway :)
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| 10:17 | <Roasted_> and just to get this on the table so I can understand it...
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| 10:17 | if I'm using a thin client, all boxes share the server. therefore when I install audacity via software center, all thin clients see it.
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| 10:18 | but fat c lients have a separate, independently ran chroot, so when I install audacity via software center, you DONT see it on clients because it only installs to server.
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| 10:18 | hence the need for installing via terminal to the fat chroot for the clients to receive, in this case, the audacity application
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| 10:18 | is that accurate?
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| 10:19 | <highvoltage> yes, you'll have to install everything twice, once on the server, and once in the chroot
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| 10:19 | that is, if you have a mixed environment
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| 10:19 | <Roasted_> what happens if I install to chroot and not the server?
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| 10:19 | ah
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| 10:19 | cancel that
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| 10:19 | I gotcha
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| 10:20 | <highvoltage> :)
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| 10:20 | <Roasted_> so realistically my server can have literally *zero* apps installed
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| 10:20 | yet the fat clients could have a chroot of 3,000 applications installed
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| 10:20 | <highvoltage> if you have it installed on both, you can also specify in lts.conf whether an application should run on the server or client. I forgot how to do that but alkisg or mgariepy could tell you :)
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| 10:20 | yep. indeed
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| 10:20 | <Roasted_> ahh, localapps
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| 10:21 | I have a link saved somewhere with localapps
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| 10:21 | <highvoltage> when you do that your server just becomes a very fancy file server
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| 10:21 | <Roasted_> but I'm not sure I'll go down that road
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| 10:21 | yeah
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| 10:21 | <alkisg> localapps/remoteapps, yup
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| 10:21 | <Roasted_> do I have to unmount /proc when I'm done installing apps to the fat chroot?
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| 10:21 | <evil_root> alkisg any clue why the screensaver wont lock the screen on a fat client?
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> Roasted_: yes
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| 10:22 | <Roasted_> for the sake of learning, is there bad consequences if I don't?
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> evil_root: how would the user unlock a locked screensaver? There's no password stored in the client, for safety reasons
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| 10:24 | <evil_root> for the no password reason i did configure my clients with ldap so they had all the user accounts
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| 10:24 | <alkisg> So you can run `sudo ls` from a fat client?
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| 10:24 | ...or `su user`?
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| 10:25 | <evil_root> no they cant run sudo, they are not in the sudoers file
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| 10:25 | * evil_root just tried it | |
| 10:26 | <alkisg> What about `su user`?
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| 10:26 | (another user, not the one logged in)
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| 10:26 | <Roasted_> how many developers are there for LTSP?
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| 10:26 | <evil_root> it tries the su but fails if i dont know the user's password that i am switching to
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> evil_root: try with a user that you know. I just want to verify that you're indeed able to successfully use a password in the fat client
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| 10:28 | OK try with `su yourself`
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| 10:28 | <evil_root> lol
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| 10:28 | after the su
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| 10:28 | I have no name!@ltsp204
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| 10:28 | and whoami
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| 10:29 | says canot find name for user ID 1002
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| 10:29 | i can ssh to the client using a un/pass from the ldap
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> So it's not completely setup then
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| 10:30 | Maybe that's the reason why screensaver won't lock
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| 10:30 | <Roasted_> alkisg, can you confirm/deny something highvoltage and I were discussing earlier? ----> For use with fat clients, even if you have a fat chroot and your clients have plenty of local resources, you HAVE to add LTSP_FATCLIENTS=true in lts.conf T/F?
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> Roasted_: didn't we go through that some days ago? :)
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| 10:30 | If you build a fat chroot,
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| 10:30 | then clients with > 300 will automatically boot as fat,
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| 10:30 | <Roasted_> yes, but we were discussing mixed environments at the time.
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| 10:30 | ahh
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> while with < 300 ram will automatically boot as thin
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| 10:31 | If you want to modify this, use LTSP_FATCLIENT=true/false
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| 10:31 | <Roasted_> but ultimately, I dont NEED the FATCLIENT=true entry in lts.conf if I want to use the 300mb default limitation
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> And if you want to modify the "300" threshold, use FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD
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| 10:31 | <Roasted_> yes
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| 10:31 | I remember that
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| 10:31 | I was just curious if FATCLIENT=true was needed for ANY use of fat clients, regardless.
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> Yup, you don't need the Ltsp_FATCLIENT variable if you're satisfied with the defaults
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| 10:32 | <Roasted_> so if I want to change the default threshold, I need 2 entries then. FATCLIENT=true and FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD=700 or whatever
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| 10:32 | <alkisg> No, just one
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| 10:32 | FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD=700
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| 10:32 | <Roasted_> oh
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| 10:32 | all right
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| 10:32 | * highvoltage didn't know about FAT_RAM_THESHOLD - nice | |
| 10:32 | <Roasted_> thanks guys
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| 10:32 | <alkisg> np
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| 10:33 | Note that if you force LTSP_FATCLIENT=True (or false), then of course the threshold isn't considered at all
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| 10:34 | For the ltsp devs, see: https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 10:34 | <Roasted_> so it'll force even 128mb clients to run fat?
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| 10:34 | <alkisg> Yes, if you put it on the [Default] section, it will
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| 10:35 | <Roasted_> good deal
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| 10:36 | how many of you guys work on ltsp?
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> See the link above :)
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| 10:36 | 15 active members. But of course not all of them are active right now
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| 10:36 | And there are some contributors that are not on that team
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| 10:37 | <Roasted_> nice, nice
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| 10:38 | I always wanted to help with OSS but I can't code to save my life. :(
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> You can put your notes on wiki pages. And a lot more :)
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| 10:39 | Time for gym, bb all
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| 10:39 | <highvoltage> ciao alkisg!
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| 10:40 | <Roasted_> I'd have to organize my notes tod o that
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| 10:40 | as I'm already getting lost in my lengthy google doc here.
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| 10:41 | I try to make my own notes because while the LTSP PDF is AMAZING with information, it's so much that doesn't necessarily pertain to me.
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| 10:41 | so I try to redo my docs based on what *I* need.
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| 10:41 | <highvoltage> Roasted_: or you could start contirbuting to the LTSP docs and make sure that what you've learned so far is in there
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| 10:42 | <Roasted_> I'll do some comparisons and see.
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| 10:42 | I for one thought the documentation of fat clients in the PDF was a little light...
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| 10:42 | but I was scanning the PDF for FATCLIENT, fat client, etc, with no responses.
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| 10:42 | that's why I was buggin here so much about it.
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| 10:42 | <highvoltage> Roasted_: it is indeed, it's a bit of a weak point
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| 10:42 | <Roasted_> Who would I send my docs to?
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| 10:43 | <evil_root> sucks that alkisq left :( i just got the clients to fully auth
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| 10:48 | do anyone else have a trick to get the screen to lock on fat clients?
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| 10:54 | <highvoltage> evil_root: do you have gnome-screensaver installed in your chroot?
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| 10:54 | <evil_root> yes
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| 11:03 | <Roasted_> is mount -t proc proc /proc the proper command?
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| 11:03 | It says it's already mounted
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| 11:03 | and I also can't seem to find my previous link about installing applications to the chroot.
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| 11:04 | all of my darn searches on google are purple
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| 11:04 | <evil_root> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup
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| 11:04 | Roasted_^^
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| 11:05 | <Roasted_> thanks
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| 11:05 | thats not the link I had though...
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| 11:05 | the other one I had had an entry about copying the sources.list file over
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| 11:06 | got it
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| 11:06 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
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| 11:09 | do I have to update-image each time I install an app to chroot?
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| 11:10 | <evil_root> yes
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| 11:10 | <Roasted_> mucho thanks
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| 11:10 | <evil_root> np
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| 11:16 | <Roasted_> Another question. To set local default profiles, I have to edit /etc/skel. That works fine with thin clients. Am I using the same protocol for fat clients too? I just wasn't sure if I was to add the profile to /etc/skel or if I have to add it to the chroot somehow.
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| 11:21 | <Roasted_> not so sure about fat clients on our gear here
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| 11:21 | so far its running like maple syrup vs thin clients
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| 11:26 | <bieb> ogra: you here?
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| 11:29 | <m4xx> has anyone successfully used a touchscreen monitor with an ltsp5 setup?
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| 11:30 | <vvinet> I've used one
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| 11:31 | <m4xx> did it work well or have any quirks?
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| 11:31 | <vvinet> as far as I know, it was working well, yes
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| 11:32 | <m4xx> if you can recall, what make/model did you use?
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| 11:32 | and did you use it with ltsp4 or ltsp5?
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| 11:34 | <vvinet> m4xx: EeeTop + ltsp5 IIRC
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| 11:35 | highvoltage: amirite?
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| 11:36 | <highvoltage> vvinet: yep
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| 11:36 | m4xx: the eeetop at least works out of the box
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| 11:45 | <Roasted_> I see fat clients also make harder use of the fans as well
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| 11:45 | me thinks I need to go back to thin clients on these boxes...
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| 11:49 | <m4xx> vvinet: think this would work well? http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=ETP1602C-BK-X0163&oe=utf-8&um=1&hl=en&biw=1272&bih=751&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&ie=UTF-8&cid=14899984871241946516&sa=X&ei=nZuHTZF9kbi3B6GX5cME&ved=0CEgQ8wIwAA#
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| 11:51 | <Roasted_> wow
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| 11:51 | switched back to thin clients
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| 11:51 | much, much faster
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| 11:51 | 512mb ram, 2.0ghz P4 boxes
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| 11:52 | but these boxes suck. My atom netbook runs significantly faster than these. whether its the 1gb ram on my netbook vs 512 on these boxes, I dont know.
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| 12:01 | <vvinet> m4xx: yes, that seems to be it
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| 12:02 | <Roasted_> So even if I'm running a fat chroot with lts.conf configured to ONLY use thin images on everything, I still have to add/remove software through the chroot itself?
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| 12:09 | I'm finding it a little difficult to understand how I would install a .deb to the chroot. I guess I just have to extract it in terminal and run dpkg -i to install it?
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| 12:11 | <Roasted_> guess not
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| 12:11 | got a TON of dpkg errors
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| 12:11 | yet that's how I isntalled it on the server
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| 12:11 | maybe I should stick with thin clients ONLY and avoid fat clients until I use this setup more
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| 12:19 | <bluewool> Hi, anyone using LTSP on Ubuntu 10.10?
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| 12:24 | <Roasted_> Im tinkering with it, first time user though.
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| 12:25 | <bluewool> I am unable to install, I keep getting a error "/usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/010-chroot-tagging: line 3: /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/ltsp_chroot: No such file or directory"
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| 12:26 | Did you have the same problem?
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| 12:43 | <Roasted_> I did not
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| 12:43 | are you running ubuntu or edubuntu
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| 12:43 | <bluewool> Ubuntu 10.10
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| 12:44 | <Roasted_> oh
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| 12:44 | I'm on edubuntu 10.10
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| 12:44 | I wonder if that's why
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| 12:44 | did you install through the alternate CD for 10.10?
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| 12:44 | or livecd
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| 12:44 | <bluewool> Used the Livecd
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| 12:45 | So when you installed edubuntu, did you need to run ltsp-build-client ?
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| 12:45 | <Roasted_> I'll be honest, I'm new to LTSP. As much as I'd love to help I really don't know what to suggest. I only have installed LTSP through Edubuntu and through the alternate installer CD with Ubuntu. I have not installed it through the livecd so I'm not sure what may be different.
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| 12:45 | It did it for me. However I rebuilt the client on my own later through experimental reasons.
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| 12:46 | By default in Edubuntu, it installs LTSP (assuming you select the magic checkbox during the installer) and sets up DHCP for you, etc.
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| 12:46 | I edited my install because I did NOT want Edubuntu handling DHCP, as we have another DHCP server on the LAN.
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| 12:47 | <bluewool> Well that is helpful, I will actually try edubuntu and then copy the LTSP root from there
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| 12:47 | <Roasted_> can you do that?
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| 12:48 | just copy the chroot?
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| 12:48 | I suppose you could...
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| 12:48 | and just run the update command
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| 12:48 | was that your train of thought?
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| 12:49 | <bluewool> My problem is that I cannot get the chroot to build, so I plan to build it with Edubuntu if that works, copy the /opt/ltsp to my preffered server, and like you said apt-get update
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| 12:50 | <Roasted_> I didn't mean apt-get update
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| 12:50 | sec
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| 12:50 | I meant sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 12:50 | <bluewool> O, you mean for the keys
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| 12:50 | Yep, that too :)
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| 12:50 | <alkisg> vagrantc: http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ltsp-logo-license.html
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| 12:51 | <Roasted_> alkisg, just tried out fat clients on our P4 512mb gear.
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| 12:51 | It wasn't slow by any means, but certainly wasn't as fast as the thin image.
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| 12:52 | since I have the ram to spare on the server (4gb for 9 boxes) I went back to the thin image.
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> Roasted_: depends on the client, the server, and the programs you run
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| 12:52 | <Roasted_> on the flip side using fat image on my netbook as the client, wow that was fast.
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| 12:52 | 1.6ghz atom and 1gb of ram
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> alkisg: completely unuseable for debian
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it doesn't allow derivative works
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| 12:53 | <Roasted_> was it the 1gb ram on my netbook that made it fast versus the 512 on these HP boxes? No idea... but thin image on these HP boxes is certainly snappy. Fat is too, but it's like comparing 85mph in a car versus 100mph. Not a huge deal, but noticeable to me at least.
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah. are derivative works needed? I guess resizing isn't a derivative work, right?
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: absoletely necessary to be able to make derivative works of any kind
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| 12:54 | * vagrantc is fighting with recovering from a stolen laptop | |
| 12:54 | <vagrantc> so i might not be as responsive as usual
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| 12:54 | <alkisg> Hmmm I thought e.g. embedding it to an ldm theme wouldn't count as a derivative work
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| 12:54 | Ouch
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| 12:54 | A good opportunity to get a brand new one :D
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| 12:55 | * alkisg hopes you didn't lose any data | |
| 12:55 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes, but anything in debian must have permission to modify it
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| 12:55 | <highvoltage> hey vagrantc, did you have a chance to look at that ldm theme?
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> jsass: ^^
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: i glanced at it ...
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| 12:56 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: would you prefer I put it in the ldm package and provide a debdiff for sponsorship or would you like to put it in yourself?
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| 12:56 | (assuming you're ok with that and that your stolen laptop won't get in the way too much)
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: i won't be able to do sponsorship for a while
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| 12:57 | highvoltage: i'm thinking it would still be best as it's own theme, but given the current theme problems... ugh
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> bluewool: are you sure you want an amd64 chroot? Are your clients 64 bit?
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| 12:59 | <trey_> hey guys, get this error on ub 10.04 lts, with a fat client setup, when tryign to build the client:
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| 12:59 | Reading state information... Done
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| 12:59 | Note, selecting nfs-common instead of nfs-client
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| 12:59 | E: Couldn't find package #
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| 12:59 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> trey_: maybe apt-get update
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| 13:00 | <trey_> alkisg: tried that as well
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| 13:00 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: ok, so I can put together a new package for it? what should it be called? ldm-spacefun-theme? (the ubuntu ones are currently 'ldm-edubuntu-theme', 'ldm-kubuntu-theme', etc)
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| 13:00 | <bluewool> Sorry alksig, that was a typo, I am using --arch i386
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| 13:00 | <alkisg> trey_: what's your exact ltsp-build-client line?
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| 13:00 | <trey_> alkisg: brand new install of 10.04 as well, server version
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| 13:01 | alkisg: cnc@fatltsp:~$ sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 13:01 | <alkisg> Hm. Then why does it try to install nfs-client?
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| 13:01 | <trey_> alkisg: using the fat client guide here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 13:01 | <alkisg> trey_: are you using an ltsp-build-client.conf file? If so, pastebin it
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| 13:02 | <trey_> k will do
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| 13:02 | but it's the generic one
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| 13:02 | !pastebin
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> Bot's down
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| 13:02 | <dan_l> Bringing up a 15 client ltsp5 setup. Only the 1st client will get to a login screen. I seem to remember reading of this proble. any ideas?
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| 13:02 | <trey_> ahh
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> But if it's the generic one, never mind
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| 13:02 | <trey_> http://pastebin.com/3qhJA9nn
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> trey_: so now you have a broken chroot, right? Can you chroot into it, with sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
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| 13:03 | dan_l: what dhcp server are you using?
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| 13:04 | <trey_> alkisg: well this is a brand new install, but i will try that command again, already deleted the "failed chroot" to run sudo apt-get update, reboot, and try again
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> trey_: if you're about to try again, just delete the nfs-client line
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| 13:04 | You can install it later on if you want it
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| 13:04 | <trey_> alkisg: is it needed?
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> Only if you want to share your /home with nfs
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| 13:05 | <trey_> alkisg: nope :)
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> Then nope :)
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| 13:05 | <trey_> alkisg: will try that and let you know dude!
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| 13:06 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: ldm-spacefun-theme seems like a good idea.
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| 13:06 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: ok, I'll do that then, thanks!
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| 13:06 | <sniki-tiki> vagrantc: whats the problem with the license for Debian? what does debian need?
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| 13:07 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: i should be able to commit to revision control repositories and such, just can't do uploads for a while.
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| 13:07 | sniki-tiki: it doesn't allow derivative works ... just sent an email to ltsp-developer about it
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| 13:07 | <bluewool> Has anybody ever had this error? :/usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/010-chroot-tagging: line 3: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_chroot: No such file or directory
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| 13:07 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally"
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| 13:08 | <dan_l> I'm using dhcp from the standard ubuntu 10.04 install with the config in /etc/ltsp. Clients get dhcp, the Ubuntu boot screen loads and tha's it
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| 13:08 | <sniki-tiki> vagrantc: why would you need a derivative work?
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| 13:08 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: ok, if you happen to have some time and a computer by the time I'm done with it I'll ask you for a review, but I guess I can ask a bunch of other people to upload it if necessary
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> sniki-tiki: it's a moot question. it *must* allow derivative works.
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| 13:09 | sniki-tiki: if the logo is going to appear in any respectible distribution, it's going to have to allow people to make a logo that is derived from it.
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| 13:09 | * highvoltage realises we illegally ship the LTSP logo in Edubuntu | |
| 13:10 | <vagrantc> the logo shipped upstream should be removed as well, in my opinion.
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| 13:10 | which is the old ltsp.org logo from the old website
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| 13:10 | <sniki-tiki> vagrantc: the logo was licensed that way to ensure authenticity of the actual logo, it is our intention to have it used by debian, edu/ubuntu, etc ...
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> sniki-tiki: debian doesn't allow distribution-specific licensing terms ... if debian can use it, so can some random person off the street. or it doesn't go it.
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| 13:11 | doesn't go in
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| 13:11 | <sniki-tiki> vagrantc: what would be an acceptable license for debian? would any of the CC0's?
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> by use, i mean use, modify, redistribute, etc...
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| 13:12 | <highvoltage> like cc-by
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| 13:13 | or cc-by-sa, at least
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| 13:13 | <dan_l> alkisg:I'm using dhcp from the standard ubuntu 10.04 install with the config in /etc/ltsp. Clients get dhcp, the Ubuntu boot screen loads and tha's it
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> dan_l: try removing "quiet splash" from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default to see any error messages
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| 13:15 | <sniki-tiki> vagrantc: opinion on cc-by cc-by-sa?
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> cc-by-sa
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| 13:16 | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
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| 13:16 | that seems to maybe pass muster
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| 13:17 | <sniki-tiki> vagrantc: i will look at the e-mail you sent to ltsp-dev ... the goal would be to have it incorporated, not incorporating it would be a shame and waste of a good logo. it's important to us that the logo remains authentic as well as its use's. also happy to write a letter for the debian project to use it with free rein (if that would be acceptable).
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| 13:18 | <dan_l> alkisg: ok - back in a few after test - thnx
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> sniki-tiki: there's a clause "license must not be specific to debian" so that wouldn't work so well
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> sniki-tiki: in the debian free software guidelines
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| 13:19 | <sniki-tiki> vagrantc: can you point me to some docs?
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| 13:19 | <highvoltage> !google dfsg
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> sniki-tiki: they're in the email
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| 13:20 | http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
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| 13:20 | <sniki-tiki> vagrantc: thanks, whats the deadline related to these images?
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| 13:20 | cc: highvoltage & alksig ^^
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> sniki-tiki: well, we haven't even included them upstream yet
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| 13:21 | sniki-tiki: i don't think debian or ubuntu will release any time soon... no idea on other distros
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| 13:21 | <highvoltage> ubuntu's artwork freeze is on thursday
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| 13:21 | <sniki-tiki> vagrantc: i'll make a goal of getting it handled this week, please plan on incorporating the logo as to not ... you'll get an update via ltsp-dev list when ready
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| 13:21 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 13:21 | <sniki-tiki> highvoltage: noted
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| 13:21 | <vagrantc> the attribution clauses always make me nervous, though
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| 13:22 | <highvoltage> but it would be nice to have the ltsp logo in there by oreinic (or whatever natty+1 is called) at the latest
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc> how do you attribute or make a logo distinctly modified? include text in the logo itself?
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| 13:24 | sniki-tiki: cc-by-sa looks reasonable to me ...
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| 13:24 | <sniki-tiki> vagrantc: ok, thanks for your input on this
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| 13:25 | <vagrantc> sniki-tiki: you could end up doing what mozilla did with firefox ... the logo is free from a copyright standpoint, but has a restrictive trademark ... and then we'd have to fork LTSP just to rename it :(
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| 13:26 | <sniki-tiki> vagrantc: that sounds no forkin good
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc> yeah, it's no fun
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| 13:28 | <highvoltage> I read in an interview with the debian firefox^wiceweasel maintainer that mozilla might change that soon and that it icedove/iceweasel might become thunderbird/firefox again in debian
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> sniki-tiki: apparently, cc-by-sa 3.0 is claimed DFSG compatible
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| 13:30 | the 2.0 version had some issues
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| 13:32 | <sniki-tiki> vagrantc: sounds good
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| 13:43 | <dan_l> alkisg: I removed 'quiet splash' as you suggested. 9 of teh PCs autologged in - 1 had to be restarted but came up on the second attemt. I don't have a warm fuzzy feeling :P
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> dan_l: here's a hunch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/589034
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| 13:48 | <dan_l> alkisg: That does look like my problem - I'll spend some time on this and let you know how it works out. Many thanks for you help!
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> It's a very common cause of "sometimes it boots sometimes it doesn't" :)
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| 15:53 | <cliebow> MONEY..ITS A GAS!!!
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| 15:58 | <Lns> Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash!
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| 17:00 | <tommylommykins> quick nooby (any maybe confused) question
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| 17:00 | I don't want to use ltsp for pxe booting
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| 17:01 | I want to be able to create a thin-client window in an already running OS
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| 17:01 | similar to ssh -X some-machine and running gnome-session, or startkde
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| 17:01 | is this reasonable achievable with ltsp?
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| 17:04 | <NeonLicht> You don't need LTSP for that.
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| 17:06 | <tommylommykins> NeonLicht: What do you reccomend
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| 17:06 | ?
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| 17:06 | <NeonLicht> X? VNC? NX?
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| 17:07 | <tommylommykins> plain X forwarding is a little... clunky
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| 17:07 | hmm
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| 17:07 | I make the assumption that it's imp[ossible to pxeboot using wireless hardware
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| 17:08 | * tommylommykins wants to thinclient-up his netbook | |
| 17:08 | <tommylommykins> and trailing an ethernet cable around isn't really what I want to do
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| 17:08 | <NeonLicht> Maybe gPXE (now iPXE, I believe) might do it.
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| 18:40 | <trey_> hey guys, i have a fresh install of ubuntu 10.04 and am trying to build a fat client
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| 18:40 | there are an insane amount of errors
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| 18:40 | similiar to this: debconf: (Failed to open fd 3: Bad file descriptor at (eval 24) line 3)
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| 22:13 | <alkisg> tommylommykins: you can't have an "ltsp-session" in an already running machine, as it requires some stuff running on your machine before you logon. For example pulseaudio sinks for network sound.
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| 22:13 | You can use a virtualbox thin client though, or nx
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| 22:14 | It's also possible to boot over wireless, if you put the kernel/initrd locally, and include the driver for your card and ssid for the network
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| 22:26 | <HrdwrBoB> silly idea IMHO
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| 22:26 | wireless netbooting
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| 23:23 | <muppis> Booting over wireless good for laptops. But what I tested with 54M, it was slow and suitable only for demo.
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