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Channel log from 1 March 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:06 | <gnunux> hi
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| 06:15 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 06:17 | <vvinet> good morning mgariepy
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| 08:03 | <nepalinux> hello everybody
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| 08:04 | <nepalinux> I found this ltsp system to be very useful for schools where we can't afford much computer hardwares
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| 08:04 | <wakko222> Does anyone know if wyse products do pxe boot? (Wyse 1125SE)
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| 08:04 | <nepalinux> and I was trying to test how good it works.
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| 08:05 | So I installed ubuntu in virtualbox and then installed the ltsp server
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| 08:06 | But when I try to do "sudo ltsp-build-client" command I get an error saying something about chroot.
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| 08:06 | I used the local mirror with the command as
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| 08:07 | "sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///home/ltsp/ubuntu/ --security-mirror file:///home/ltsp/ubuntu/
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| 08:07 | Any idea why I did get that error? Btw, if I download the client from repos, it works perfectly.
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| 08:29 | <nepalinux> what is this error for?
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| 08:29 | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 09:05 | * jammcq wonders if anybody remembers him | |
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| 09:12 | <Naranek> Hi! I asked this before, but got some mixed answers. Is it OK to run ltsp-update-image while I have people logged on. Will it crash their session, or just update seamlessly? I've been googling for a definite answer, but to no avail.
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| 09:12 | <jammcq> yes, it should be fine. i've done it many times
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| 09:12 | the next time the user boots their client, they'll get the new image
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| 09:13 | <Naranek> so the previous image is stored in memory?
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> well... as I understand it, the previous image still has a process accessing it (nbd) so even tho the file has been removed from the directory, it still exists in the filesystem until the last process releases the inode
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| 09:17 | <abeehc> ive' found and i guess it makes sense; clients won't (re)boot properly while the image is being built
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| 09:21 | <Naranek> ok, thanks
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| 09:34 | <m4xx> i'm trying to incorporate freenx with my ltsp install as described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1236601 . When the get's to the login both monitors are mirrored. Any ideas on how I might make the second extend instead of mirror?
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| 09:39 | <abeehc> xrandr?
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| 09:40 | <m4xx> i see xrandr_reflect in the lts.conf man page
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| 09:44 | <abeehc> you should be able to change it at runtime via xrandr
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| 09:45 | then you could work backward to populate your lts.conf
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| 09:53 | <m4xx> manual xrandr works fine, i've got the following in my lts.conf http://paste2.org/p/1275906
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| 10:09 | <abeehc> that looks good; no idea/. maybe look at ldm logs
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| 10:26 | <m4xx> where might the ldm log be?
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| 10:27 | <abeehc> it doesn't look like it'll have anything interesting anyway after all but possibly the X log
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| 10:27 | both are on the client
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| 10:27 | you'd want to unlock root ont he clients
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| 10:39 | <alkisg> m4xx: freenx actually causes *more* CPU load than remote (unencrypted) X
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| 10:39 | I'm guessing that the person in the forums didn't know about LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 10:40 | So freenx is fine over WAN (ADSL etc) but not for LAN
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| 10:40 | <m4xx> that's my plan
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> Then you don't need to configure it like the person in the forums
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| 10:41 | You just run it from the gnome menu
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| 10:41 | <abeehc> what's the thread link
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> (06:34:38 PM) m4xx: i'm trying to incorporate freenx with my ltsp install as described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1236601 . When the get's to the login both monitors are mirrored. Any ideas on how I might make the second extend instead of mirror?
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| 10:41 | <abeehc> ty
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| 10:42 | <m4xx> i'm going to use some old hardware in remote offices to pxe boot some thinclients that will nx into our office
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| 10:42 | if i can get it to work properly that is ;\
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| 10:43 | <abeehc> i'm very much interested in how it goes
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| 10:43 | <alkisg> m4xx: so in those offices all hardware is old (so no proper ltsp server), and to connect to your office you have a slow connection that needs freenx?
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| 10:43 | <abeehc> i trust the dual monitors isn't a show stopper? ;)
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| 10:44 | <m4xx> i was told ltsp wouldn't perform well over wan
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> Correct, that's what I'm asking, if it's a slow connection
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| 10:44 | If it is you indeed need something like freenx
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| 10:44 | <m4xx> yes
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| 10:45 | only 2mb up
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| 10:45 | <alkisg> And the pxe server specs?
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| 10:45 | That's local, not over wan, right?
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| 10:45 | <m4xx> the local ltsp server is a beefy machine.
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| 10:46 | <abeehc> i assume thats wan but are we talkin bits or bytes
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| 10:46 | <m4xx> bits
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| 10:46 | <abeehc> could be worse hehe
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> m4xx: and client RAM?
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| 10:46 | <m4xx> 1gb
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> Oooh and you call that old hardware?!!!
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| 10:46 | <m4xx> no no no
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| 10:46 | that's the thinclient
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| 10:47 | currently there is one desktop in the office
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| 10:47 | i have a few thin clients i'm going to bring down there
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| 10:47 | i'm going to use the current desktop as a dhcp/pxe server
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| 10:47 | that's a p4 w/ 2 gigs
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> So, the clients that you want to run freenx on, they have 1 Gb RAM?
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| 10:47 | <m4xx> yes
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| 10:48 | <m4xx> is there a better way to achieve the outcome i'm looking for?
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> How many clients over this 2 mbps line?
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| 10:49 | <m4xx> maybe 6
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| 10:49 | no video or anything
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> And, how big home dirs? Maybe you could use them as fat clients with a remote /home...
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| 10:50 | <m4xx> they're thin clients, no disks
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| 10:50 | <alkisg> It doesn't matter, you can still boot them as fat clients
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| 10:50 | In the ltsp sense, fat == all processing on the client, but still no local disk
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| 10:50 | !fatclients
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| 10:50 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "fatclients" :: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> For 1-2 clients a 2 mbps connection is OK for freenx, but I don't think it can handle 5-6 connections
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| 10:51 | While a remote /home (e.g. with sshfs) doesn't need much bandwidth, unless the user has really large files
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| 10:54 | (fat clients use sshfs by default)
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| 10:54 | <m4xx> i do have a server in a dc that i can use for a file share
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> You can temporarily boot a thin client with an ubuntu live usb stick to see how it performs
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| 10:55 | And mount /home/username with sshfs
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| 10:55 | m4xx: if you don't need central /home dirs, then it's even better, you can use that p4 for a local server
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| 10:56 | <m4xx> well, i want to do a central home
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> OK, sshfs then
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| 10:56 | <m4xx> i have yet to implement one yet
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| 10:56 | how would you automate that though?
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> That's the default fat setup
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| 10:56 | <m4xx> would i have to set up keys for every user?
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> So it's out of the box, nothing to automate
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| 10:56 | No, ldm uses ssh for authentication
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| 10:56 | And sshfs uses that ssh connection for sshfs
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| 10:56 | It's all automatic, nothing to setup
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| 10:57 | You just need to see if 2 mbps is enough for a remote /home dir
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| 10:58 | <m4xx> i'll just use the server in the dc for that
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| 10:58 | <alkisg> Keep all the programs in your local network, only have the /home remote
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| 10:58 | I.e. install any programs that you need in the fat chroot
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| 10:59 | <m4xx> would it be bad practice to do something like a local networked home and rsync it every x minutes?
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| 10:59 | so if the user goes to another office
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| 11:00 | they will still have the same files
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| 11:00 | but again on a locally networked home
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| 11:00 | or maybe even rsync on logout
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| 11:00 | <alkisg> Try sshfs first, if it doesn't cover your needs then you can see about rsync'ing
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| 11:01 | There's a possibility that it's good enough for you, so you don't have to customize anything, only have an out-of-the-box fat client installation
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| 11:01 | <m4xx> i just worry that if there is a broken route or dc server goes out the computer will be useless
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> That's true for freenx as well
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| 11:02 | <m4xx> yes
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| 11:02 | that's why i like the fat client idea
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| 11:03 | <bieb> jammcq: How's it going??
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> m4xx: Are the users usually working on the same PCs, same offices?
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| 11:03 | If so, you can have local /homes and only rsync them when they log on to other offices
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| 11:05 | <cliebow> WHAt Ho!! someone said jammcq!
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| 11:06 | <m4xx> some are
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| 11:06 | <bieb> chuck! what's happening?
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| 11:07 | <m4xx> but we have managers that travel to different offices
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> m4xx: maybe you can tell them to use freenx from inside the fat session
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| 11:07 | If the managers are fewer than the static users, that is
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| 11:08 | Or have them automatically connect to the central /home with sshfs
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| 11:08 | <bieb> cliebow: Jim was in here earlier...
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> Just to avoid the rsync hell, because it can be a pain
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| 11:11 | <cliebow> bieb:Oh thrashing about..Inundated with freaking macs..
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| 11:11 | How about you?
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| 11:11 | <bieb> schools changing over to macs??
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| 11:11 | not too bad here .. enjoying the weather change
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| 11:11 | <cliebow> oh we have been for like 8 years..but now i am apple certified i see all the wreckage
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| 11:12 | <bieb> ohhh.. you're apple certified.. cool
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| 11:12 | <cliebow> i cant tell you how many broken screens have been across my desk
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| 11:13 | 75 at least since december
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| 11:13 | <bieb> damnnn.. what are they doing to them?
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| 11:13 | <cliebow> got no respect...
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| 11:13 | didnt have to make any effort to get one..
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| 11:14 | <bieb> true
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| 11:14 | <cliebow> ive found them out oin snowbanks..by the side of the road..
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| 11:14 | <bieb> wow!
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| 11:15 | <cliebow> sorry..i have a jaundiced opinion of the whole thing..we were going broke sending stuff down to the depot to be fixed..so tewo of us went for certification
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| 11:16 | <bieb> can't blame ya.. they dont take care of what they dont pay for
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| 11:16 | how much was apple cert?
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| 11:17 | <cliebow> school paid for it..five days in Boston then two days in Bangor..i think about 4500
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| 11:18 | <bieb> how was BTS?
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| 11:19 | <cliebow> Lesseee..November..it rocked..but i didnt bring anything to the table..my ltsps have been backburnered for the mscs
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| 11:19 | macs
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| 11:19 | <bieb> ahhh
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| 11:20 | good lobster dinner again?
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| 11:22 | <cliebow> We went to Scotty's rest.. some had lobs some other entrees..mine rocked..
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| 11:22 | <bieb> ummmmm... Scotty's rest???
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| 11:22 | <cliebow> aurant
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| 11:23 | <bieb> scotty who???
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| 11:23 | I knew the aurant part
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| 11:23 | lol
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| 11:24 | <cliebow> oh just a local guy..leasing a place on the Manset shore looking up Somes SOund
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| 11:25 | <bieb> ohh ok.. thought you were talking about Balnaeves
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| 11:28 | cliebow: was scott there too?
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| 11:30 | <mateobur> hello
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| 11:31 | the port for tftp (69) appears as closed in nmap
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| 11:31 | what can I do to open it ?
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> mateobur: distro/version?
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| 11:38 | <mateobur> ubuntu 10.04
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| 11:38 | it's really strange
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| 11:38 | some terminals boot
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| 11:39 | others stuck in TFTP open timeout
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| 11:39 | <mateobur> it's totally random
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> This page helps in tftp troubleshooting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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| 11:40 | But if it sometimes works, then it doesn't sound like a usual problem...
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| 11:40 | Are you sure you only have 1 dhcp server in your network?
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| 11:41 | <mateobur> alkisg, they catch the DHCP correctly
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| 11:41 | <cliebow> bieb:OH YEAH..Scottywas there alrighty
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| 11:42 | <bieb> LOL
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| 12:10 | <jammcq> bieb: hey
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| 12:10 | cliebow: howdie
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| 12:10 | <bieb> jammcq: how's it going Jim?
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| 12:11 | <jammcq> going well
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| 12:11 | been busy
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| 12:11 | <bieb> thats a good thing right?
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| 12:11 | <jammcq> yeah, it is
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| 12:12 | <bieb> good
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| 12:13 | <jammcq> how's things with you?
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| 12:13 | <bieb> not too bad at all.. just busy also..
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| 12:14 | missed BTS this year
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| 12:21 | <cliebow> Nice to see you Jim..Not the same witohut you standing guard
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| 12:21 | <jammcq> cliebow: hey, well. things get busy
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| 12:22 | <cliebow> i understand..busy here woth mundane stuff
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| 12:22 | <bieb> just dont put him in charge of guarding the lobster tank.. :)
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| 12:22 | <cliebow> nothing with any chutzpah
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| 12:22 | hahah..no lobster races this year..
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| 12:22 | <bieb> lol
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| 12:22 | <cliebow> eating them i mean
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| 12:23 | <bieb> and chuck you probably didnt even bring your vice this year
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| 12:32 | <cliebow> hweeeee!!it was a big c clamp..i figured on squezzing that claw til it broke..but as it happens hitting it was far more efficient
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| 12:32 | <bieb> lol
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| 12:32 | <cliebow> id get just dso much pressure on it and it would go flying off
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| 12:32 | <bieb> yeah that would not have been good.. too messy
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> i guess good thing i didn't roll out ltsp 5.2.5 to debian yesterday :)
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| 13:44 | we should drop the need to use ip addresses at all in ltsp-update-sshkeys, and just configure LDM to ignore the IP address.
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| 13:44 | unless, of course, it's only ip address and not hostname...
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| 13:45 | which i guess is the default.
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| 13:54 | <komunista> !factoids search #ltsp svn*
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| 13:54 | <ltspbot`> komunista: No keys matched that query.
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| 13:54 | <komunista> !factoids search #ltsp *svn*
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| 13:54 | <ltspbot`> komunista: No keys matched that query.
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| 13:57 | <komunista> vagrantc: I cannot to find address for svn to check my translations status, can you help me, please?
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> komunista: not svn, but bzr: http://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 14:00 | <komunista> thank :-)
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| 14:03 | vagrantc: the ltsp.pot and ldm.pot seems to be some months old, are they updated?
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> the strings haven't changed very often, but they might be out of date.
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| 14:04 | komunista: what language?
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| 14:04 | <komunista> slovak
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| 14:04 | sk
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> already have some translations for that
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| 14:05 | ldm recently was updated which might have affected the translations
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| 14:07 | <komunista> is there way to get updated POT without downloading all sources?
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> komunista: i'll try to make sure they're updated tonight so you can download
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| 14:15 | <komunista> vagrantc: OK, I will check it tomorrow, thanks :-)
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> at initial glance, they both look current, though
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| 14:25 | <komunista> it is a lot of time when I publish them, then I can check status
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| 14:26 | if strings are not changed - then developers are very "friedly" for translators (and then for users too) :-)
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> komunista: or we're not properly making new strings translateable :(
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| 14:29 | <komunista> ;-)
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