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Channel log from 30 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:19 | <HereBeDragon> Hi
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| 02:19 | What package do I need to install to convert my centos 5 box into an LTSP server?
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| 02:53 | <sahil> HereBeDragon:http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/utils/ltsp-utils-0.25-0.noarch.rpm
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| 04:12 | <sahil> for sound with sis7109 do i need to build my own kernel?
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| 10:38 | <breun> hello, I just installed K12LTSP 5 EL (the CentOS based distribution) on a dell poweredge 2900. the clients are booting, but seem to hang at "nfs: server 10.0.0.254 not responding, still trying"
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| 10:38 | nfs is running, I restarted it and disabled the firewall, but still no luck
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| 10:38 | does anyone have any idea?
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| 11:12 | <yigal> is there a "performance study|" that shows the affect of client's capabilities? e.g. how much DRAM should the client have, clients cpu strength etc?
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> if you're running as a real thin client, 64-128MB of ram and a 300-400MHz processor would be great
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| 11:16 | if you're running your sessions unencrypted, even less processing is needed
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| 11:16 | <breun> still no one that knows why I get "nfs: server 10.0.0.254 not responding, still trying" on my fresh K12LTSP 5EL install?
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> yigal: but i don't know of any studies in that matter. that just comes from experience
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| 11:17 | breun: have you looked on the wiki page ?
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| 11:17 | breun: i'm pretty sure there's some troubleshooting tips for that on there
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| 11:18 | !troubleshoot
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| 11:18 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "troubleshoot" is not a valid command.
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| 11:18 | <breun> for NFS?
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 11:18 | * vagrantc looks for a wiki page | |
| 11:18 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 11:18 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', 'troubleshooting', 'sbnet', (1 more message)
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| 11:18 | <breun> the k12ltsp wiki or the ltsp wiki?
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| 11:18 | <yigal> i am ramping up a class, real thin clients. I plan to have some 64MB clients, some 128MB and up.. I am afraid of network trafic, and reponsivness of the client
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> wiki.ltsp.org
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| 11:19 | yigal: network traffic is rarely the bottleneck with 100Mbit networks
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| 11:19 | !troubleshooting
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| 11:19 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "troubleshooting" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting
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| 11:19 | <vagrantc> breun: try that
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| 11:19 | <yigal> what if they will play music or go to youtube?
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| 11:20 | <vagrantc> music probably will work ok. videos are likely going to be very bad
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| 11:20 | even with just one client
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| 11:21 | <breun> ok, it seems it has something to do with NFS blocksizes...
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| 11:21 | I'll look into it
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| 11:27 | <breun> great, editing /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default worked!
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| 11:27 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#Solution_when_using_PXE
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| 11:27 | thanks
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| 11:33 | <yigal> I have a problem: using edubuntu, the client is booting ok, I entered the user name and password, but it always bringing back the login window. same with several clients, and with different users - also root. any idea?
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| 11:48 | <wpgmb> I need help with the dhcp.conf file - I'm using two NICs, and a separate DHCP server. Can anyone point me to a working config for that setup?
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| 11:50 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: does it need to be a DHCP server for both networks, or just the LTSP network ?
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> yigal: which version of edubuntu ?
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| 11:51 | yigal: have you run ltsp-update-sshkeys ?
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| 11:51 | yigal: are you able to ssh into the server from another machine ?
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| 11:51 | <wpgmb> vagrant: My firewall is also my dhcp, and if it could be the dhcp server for both the ltsp server and the clients, that would be great (less load on the ltsp, I guess)
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: DHCP is ridiculously low load ... you want to have control of the DHCP server for your LTSP clients on the LTSP server.
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| 11:53 | <wpgmb> vagrant: setup as follows: Internet -> firewall (Smoothwall = DHCP server) -> LTSP server (7.04) (Static IP) -> switch(es) -> clients (Static IP's)
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| 11:53 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: if you're got two NICs in the server, then you can leave DHCP alone on your firewall, and setup DHCP on your LTSP server to only answer on the thin client network
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| 11:54 | wpgmb: yeah, that's perfect. set up your LTSP server to server DHCP only on one interface
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| 11:54 | should be the default behavior on a fresh edubuntu install
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| 11:55 | <wpgmb> where can I paste my current dhcp.conf?
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> !pastebot
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| 11:55 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: do you have ltsp-server-standalone installed ?
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| 11:55 | <wpgmb> moment
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> because then it will use /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 11:56 | <ltsppbot> "wpgmb" pasted "dhcp.conf" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/195
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| 11:57 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: dpkg -l 'ltsp-server*'
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| 11:57 | <wpgmb> moemnt
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| 11:58 | <ltsppbot> "wpgmb" pasted "ltsp-server" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/196
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: so which file did you paste to the pastebot ?
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| 11:58 | <wpgmb> both the dhcp.conf, and the ltsp output
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| 11:59 | <vagrantc> did you paste /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf or /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 11:59 | <wpgmb> /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 11:59 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 12:00 | wpgmb: so what is your server's static IP address ?
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| 12:00 | wpgmb: and what address is it getting from DHCP ?
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| 12:00 | <wpgmb> 192.168.0.25
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| 12:00 | same
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| 12:01 | dhcp firewall/server setup to hand out IP's by MAC
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| 12:01 | <vagrantc> you probably want to set your static IP address to 192.168.1.1
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| 12:01 | and restart DHCP
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| 12:01 | wait a minute ...
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| 12:01 | <wpgmb> That wouldn't be on the same network as the firewall, or are you talking about the NIC for the LTSP side?
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| 12:02 | <vagrantc> yes, the LTSP side
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| 12:02 | <wpgmb> sorry
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| 12:02 | hang on
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| 12:02 | <vagrantc> you should have two IP addresses ... one that you get from your firewall's DHCP server ... and one that you set staticly for the LTSP network.
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| 12:02 | <wpgmb> yep
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| 12:02 | <vagrantc> each network card should have a different IP address on a different network.
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| 12:02 | <wpgmb> correct
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| 12:03 | <vagrantc> so what IP address did you get from your firewall's DHCP, and what IP address did you statically configure for the LTSP network ?
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| 12:04 | <wpgmb> firewall to eth0 = 192.168.0.25 & eth1 (for LTSP) is static at 192.168.1.1
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 12:04 | <wpgmb> I haven't configured DHCP for LTSP yet
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> looks like you've configured /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ... ?!
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| 12:04 | <wpgmb> (I was hoping it would be simplified by pointing the clients to the firewall's dhcp)
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> that will add 100 headaches
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| 12:05 | use the LTSP server's DHCP.
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| 12:05 | <wpgmb> ok
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| 12:05 | how do I check that config?
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> check what configure?
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| 12:05 | <wpgmb> or - correct it...
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> change 192.168.0. to 192.168.1.
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| 12:06 | that should fix it.
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| 12:06 | <wpgmb> hang on there... are you talking about the current dhcp.conf as pasted earlier?
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| 12:06 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 12:06 | <wpgmb> moment
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| 12:06 | <vagrantc> looks like you've modified it
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| 12:06 | <wpgmb> I did - was chatting with scotty before :o)
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> or you could just comment out domain-name-servers, domain-name and routers
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| 12:08 | <wpgmb> I was just going to ask
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| 12:08 | moment
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> it's not really needed for an LTSP environment
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| 12:08 | <wpgmb> ok - restarting dhcp
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| 12:10 | <ltsppbot> "wpgmb" pasted "dhcp restart ----- succesful???" (27 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/197
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
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| 12:11 | wrong command :P
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| 12:12 | <wpgmb> invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "restart" failed
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| 12:13 | dhcpd self-test failed. Please fix the config file.
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| 12:13 | back to the dhcp.conf, I guess
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| 12:14 | In my dhcp.conf, as it is, don't I need to reflect having two nics in my system?
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| 12:15 | <vagrantc> should just ignore networks with undefined interfaces ...
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| 12:16 | <wpgmb> sorry -don't understand
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| 12:16 | vagrant: it appears my current dhcp.conf is no good. Want me to paste it again?
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> hold on a second.
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| 12:16 | <wpgmb> k
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: sudo egrep -i dhcpd /var/log/syslog
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| 12:17 | wpgmb: and paste that to the pastebot
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| 12:18 | <ltsppbot> "wpgmb" pasted "egrep" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/198
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: that's not the command i asked you to run.
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| 12:19 | er... wait
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| 12:19 | nevermind, my mistake
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| 12:20 | wpgmb: ps aux | egrep dhcpd
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| 12:21 | <ltsppbot> "wpgmb" pasted "egrep" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/199
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> hmmm "dhcpd self-test failed." ... wonder if this is an ubuntuism
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| 12:22 | wpgmb: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server stop
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| 12:23 | <wpgmb> done
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: ps aux | egrep dhcpd3
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| 12:23 | <wpgmb> done
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server start
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| 12:24 | <wpgmb> done
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> any error message this time ?
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| 12:24 | wpgmb: sudo egrep -i dhcpd /var/log/syslog
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| 12:24 | <wpgmb> nope
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> ok ... well ... no idea why restart failed ...
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| 12:25 | <wpgmb> no error - moment for the next one
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| 12:26 | <ltsppbot> "wpgmb" pasted "egrep" (15 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/200
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| 12:27 | <vagrantc> these don't look so good. "server dhcpd: receive_packet failed on eth1: Network is down"
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| 12:30 | <wpgmb> I noticed that
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> is this plugged into a switch ?
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| 12:31 | or direct to a client with a cross over cable ?
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| 12:31 | <wpgmb> eth1? nope - crossover (for now) to a client
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> is the client powered on?
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| 12:31 | wait ... network is down ...
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| 12:31 | is eth1 up ?
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| 12:32 | <zodman> eth1 network down is .................... cable not plugged right!!
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> ifconfig | egrep ^eth1
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| 12:32 | <wpgmb> not at the moment - I try every time we made a change, to see if it would find the ltsp server
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| 12:32 | eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:4B:97:68:A5
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> so, has it gotten an IP address from the server ?
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| 12:33 | <wpgmb> eth1 is the one we assigned statically to 192.168.1.1 , remember?
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| 12:33 | <vagrantc> has the thin client gotten an IP address from your LTSP server ?
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| 12:40 | <yigal> Vagrantc: sorry, i wa away. And you are correct! I didnt do "ltsp-update-sshkeys" - now it works!
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| 13:09 | <wpgmb> vagrant: you still there? Just wanted to thank you, and let you know my first client just booted. Whoo-hoo!!
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: glad to hear it :)
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| 13:16 | yigal: yay :)
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| 13:23 | <wpgmb> now I need to figure out how I can add clients... I was hoping that that would be "automatically" at the login screen, but nooooooooooooo
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| 13:24 | anyway - g2g for lunch, promised my wife.. I suppose that's more important than playing with my systems... :o)
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| 13:25 | If you have any suggestions, leave 'm here - I'll check when I get back
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| 13:29 | * vagrantc never needs to add clients | |
| 13:29 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: you mean logins ?
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| 14:06 | <yigal> guys - is there a way for someone to login as "one-time-user"? this is to allow a guest to login, browse the web, and not to store any of it?
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| 14:27 | <wpgmb> vagrantc: Yes, logins
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> wpgmb: you're on your own there
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| 14:45 | yigal: well, like many things, it is of course possible, but it requires a lot of work.
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| 14:49 | <wpgmb> anyone: do I need to create a user on the ltsp server, ie "jimmy", before "jimmy" can use his terminal to login as himself? lo
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> correct
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| 14:49 | the thin client logs into the server and runs all applications on the server... so you need an account on the server itself.
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| 14:50 | you can essentially think of the thin client as an extra monitor, mouse and keyboard for the server itself...
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| 15:19 | <wpgmb> ha - discovered the problem... "LAN" boot on an older system ain't necessarily working. **off to get boot floppies**
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| 16:52 | <ukasz> hi
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| 16:54 | i have a problem witch keyboard. i can not type anything in login prmpt
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| 16:54 | i have a diffrent XDM server
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| 16:54 | that thin client is redirected to
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> ukasz: what distro ?
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| 18:20 | <ukasz> debian
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> what's in your lts.conf ?
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| 18:21 | <ukasz> w8 i will paste it
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| 18:21 | <vagrantc> any SCREEN_* entries ?
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| 18:21 | !pastebot
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| 18:21 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 18:22 | <ltsppbot> "ukasz" pasted "lts.conf" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/201
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| 18:23 | <ukasz> do you have the info what i have pasted ?
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| 18:27 | vagrantc: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/201
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> patience :P
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| 18:29 | <ukasz> ok
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> ukasz: how did you install LTSP ?
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| 18:30 | <ukasz> apt-get
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| 18:30 | it is v 5
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> ok ... so comment out everything.
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| 18:30 | <ukasz> only 1 line
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| 18:31 | <vagrantc> change SCREEN_01 to SCREEN-07
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| 18:31 | er
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| 18:31 | change SCREEN_01 to SCREEN_07
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| 18:31 | <ukasz> ok
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| 18:31 | <vagrantc> so your NFS server is different from your XDMCP server ?
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| 18:31 | <ukasz> no
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| 18:32 | nfs dhcp and ltsp are on the same machine
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| 18:32 | <vagrantc> i see SERVER = 192.168.2.1 and XDM_SERVER = 192.168.2.255 .... ?
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| 18:32 | ok ... so just leave SCREEN_07=startx
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| 18:32 | <ukasz> yes becouse i want a separatemachine to log in via xdmcp
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| 18:33 | i also would like to learn how to configure ltsp to enable lg int the same machine where is ltsp dhcp nfs
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| 18:33 | <vagrantc> so your NFS server *is* different than your XDMCP server ?
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| 18:33 | <ukasz> yes
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| 18:34 | <jammcq> howdie
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> so, i asked the same exact question twice, and got a different answer each time :P
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| 18:34 | well, i emphasized *is* the second time
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| 18:34 | <ukasz> sry it is a little bit late
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| 18:34 | i am frm Poland and it is 01:30
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| 18:34 | :P
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| 18:35 | <vagrantc> XKBLAYOUT and XKBMODEL
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| 18:35 | all caps
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| 18:35 | X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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| 18:35 | that can stay
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| 18:35 | everything else should get commented out
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| 18:36 | er
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| 18:36 | XDM_SERVER
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| 18:36 | <ukasz> k i have logged in
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| 18:36 | :)
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| 18:36 | yupiiii
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| 18:36 | the SCREEN_07 wrked
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> yes, XDM_SERVER is respected, good. :)
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| 18:36 | ukasz: most of the values you specified are not needed ...
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| 18:37 | <ukasz> so summing it up what i will need
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| 18:37 | <vagrantc> but you've got it working, so whatever :)
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| 18:38 | <ukasz> 2 versins witch eternal xdm and internas ( that is on the same machine as ltsp dhcp etc)
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 ... SCREEN_07 = startx ... XDM_SERVER = 192.168.2.225 ... XKBMODEL = pc105 (maybe) ... XKBLAYOUT = pl
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| 18:38 | <ukasz> ok
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> and [Default]
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| 18:38 | that's all you should need
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| 18:38 | <ukasz> i will try now t lg in the same machine
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| 18:39 | <vagrantc> i'm confused about his "2 versins witch eternal xdm and ..." bit
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| 18:41 | <ukasz> now that i know how to log in to a separate machine (not that one that ltsp dhcp and nfs are runing on) i want to log on the same machine
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| 18:41 | do u know what i mean ?
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| 18:41 | <vagrantc> leave out XDM_SERVER
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| 18:41 | it will default to use the same server for everything
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| 18:41 | <ukasz> ok trying.....
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| 18:42 | <vagrantc> but you of course need to configure an XDMCP server on the machine
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| 18:44 | <ukasz> ok i have xdmcp enabled in gdm conf but it will not start
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| 18:44 | big whitespace with crss in the middle
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| 18:45 | cros in the middle
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| 18:45 | <vagrantc> !greyscreen
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| 18:45 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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| 18:51 | <ukasz> i don't have xauthrity file
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| 18:51 | gdm is runing and listening nport
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| 18:51 | prt
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| 18:53 | <vagrantc> but it works if you use XDM_SERVER ?
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| 18:54 | another question ... why XDMCP ?
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| 18:56 | you'll have to figure out how to configure local devices and sound yourself, as it is not currently supported via XDMCP
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| 18:56 | <ukasz> becuse XDMCP enables me to lgin to a different machine
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| 18:57 | crap i can't write anything. i have rw option in exports
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| 18:57 | therefore i can not read any lgs :(
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> yeah, but the client does read-only by default
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| 18:58 | if you enable write access, you'll need a separate tree for each and every client ...
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| 18:58 | <ukasz> s what do i have to do to rw via nfs
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| 18:58 | ?
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| 19:02 | k i have fund it in pxelinux
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| 19:02 | where are you from ?
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| 19:08 | ok it is working :)
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| 19:08 | ty verry much for patience and help
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| 19:08 | i am verry gratefoul
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| 19:08 | cu
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> fools
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