IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:01 | <Barni> hi all
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| 00:01 | i have a qauetion
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| 00:01 | is there any tool which helps to search for files
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| 00:02 | ???
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| 00:02 | <rcy> Barni: locate and find
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| 00:04 | <Barni> in X windows ???
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| 00:04 | without to run updatedb???
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| 00:04 | it's needed for LTSP thin clients
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| 00:04 | <rcy> oh
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| 00:06 | <Barni> for example, if somebody creates file and the updatedb process is starting periodically, for example daily, and to be able to find files without to run it...
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| 03:03 | <nsar> hello, does openmosix can migrate entire ltsp apps from station to station cause i know that it migrates only single thread apps?
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| 03:15 | <nsar> hello vanya
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| 03:15 | <vanya> hi
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| 03:16 | <nsar> are u using ltsp?
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| 03:18 | <vanya> yes
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| 03:19 | <nsar> did u use also openmosix?
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| 03:20 | <vanya> no
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| 03:21 | <nsar> i need to make all the apps to migrate on all the stations
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| 04:47 | <garbat> salve
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| 04:48 | ho appena finito di configurare la mia rete con ltsp-5
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| 04:48 | sotto ubuntu feisty
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| 04:53 | <garbat> c'è nessuno?
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| 04:56 | ho dei problemi con lo smontaggio delle periferiche locali
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| 05:47 | <Avatara> rere
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| 05:56 | <cliebow> there\
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| 05:57 | 8~)
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| 05:57 | ping 192.168.1.1
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| 06:52 | <rafaelcardoso> I'm using ltsp 4.2, how to slow mouse speed? usb or ps/2?
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| 07:33 | <_JR_> bom dia a todos
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| 07:34 | <str4nd> English please.
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| 07:34 | <_JR_> alguem ja mexeu com KRFB (compartilhador de area de trabalho) no ltsp ?
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| 07:35 | <str4nd> English only.
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| 07:35 | rafaelcardoso: "LTSP-5.0 is the current version that you should be using." :)
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| 07:38 | <rafaelcardoso> hehe JR brasileiro eh?
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| 07:38 | <cliebow_> _JR_, :watch for Guaraldo..perhaps he can help..
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| 07:38 | <_JR_> rafalcardoso sim
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| 07:39 | <rafaelcardoso> ltsp 4.2 works fine, only issue is mouse speed
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| 07:40 | <_JR_> rafaelcardoso "o pessoal aqui fala mais em ingles"
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| 07:40 | <rafaelcardoso> using rdesktop script, in lts.conf have mouse speed to 100
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| 07:40 | eh suporte em ingles neh
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| 07:40 | entao fale a lingua deles
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| 07:40 | <Guaraldo> _JR_: Opa... /join #ltsp-br
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| 07:41 | <_JR_> blz .. vlw
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| 07:42 | <Guaraldo> _JR_: O canal em português... :-D
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| 08:10 | <rafaelcardoso> rdesktop in ltsp 5, have same bug in ltsp 4.2, within CAPS on windows keys, ctrl + c don't work?
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| 09:02 | <nsar> hello
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| 09:03 | beyond openmosix that doesn´t migrate multithreaded apps can i use openssi or lvs for process migration to the stations?
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 09:14 | ogra: ping
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| 09:14 | <nsar> hello jammcq
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> hey nsar
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| 09:14 | <ogra> jammcq, pong
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> ogra: hey, do you have any of the pictures from the hackfest at my office?
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| 09:15 | <ogra> yup, but not online ...
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> I'm giving a talk today in Minneapolis, and I'd like to show the group photo
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| 09:15 | the one from my backyard, that showed all the developers
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| 09:16 | <ogra> lets see if f-spot is willing to give it to me :)
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| 09:17 | <jammcq> I'm thinking scotty has the pictures, but he's not online yet
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| 09:17 | <nsar> in one channel they had told me that linux is a madness that come
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| 09:18 | in one channel they had told me that linux is a madness that come´s and passess they are really crazy they are really disslike linux
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| 09:18 | <mss_> I am logginging into a 7.04 edubuntu ltsp client , but it gives me just a blank white screen with arrow cursor after starting session
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> nsar: I'd stay away from that channel
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| 09:18 | <mss_> if AI change ldm to startx, I am able to get a good session
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| 09:19 | any idea on what could be wroong ?
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| 09:19 | <nsar> did you configure correctly xdmcp ?
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| 09:19 | <mss_> I already tried the ssh update keys, it does not help
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| 09:19 | <nsar> did you allow on the xserver tcp connections?
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| 09:19 | <ogra> jammcq, copying them to http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/detroit_hackfest_pics/ right now
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| 09:19 | <yhan> hi
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| 09:20 | <ogra> beware, they are uncompressed
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| 09:20 | <yhan> I've a question regarding this term : http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/info/ltsp_t1220.html
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| 09:20 | <jammcq> ogra: thanks, much appreciated
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| 09:20 | <nsar> i was trying with gdm also and i face the same problem mss_ until i use gdmconfig to fix it
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| 09:20 | <mss_> I di not know I have to configure xdmcp - startx works fine, so why doesn't ldm ?
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| 09:20 | <yhan> is it possible to use the accelerated graphic mode with ltsp 5.0 ?
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| 09:20 | <nsar> ldm?
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| 09:21 | did you look the configuration files ?
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| 09:21 | or you got the default configuration setup
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| 09:21 | <mss_> yes - the supported display manager for edubuntu clients
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| 09:21 | what should I look for ?
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| 09:21 | <nsar> can i see the config file?
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| 09:21 | <mss_> which one ?
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| 09:21 | <nsar> not here
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| 09:21 | of the ldm
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| 09:21 | <jammcq> yhan: that terminal requires the openchrome driver, which is in universe, I think
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| 09:22 | <mss_> :-)
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| 09:22 | which file is that ? lts.conf ?
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| 09:22 | <ogra> jammcq, nope it isnt you need to build it manually
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| 09:22 | <jammcq> ogra: really?
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| 09:22 | <ogra> i want to have it in gutsy, but its not in feisty
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| 09:22 | <jammcq> k
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| 09:22 | <ogra> it clashes with the unichrome drier which is in universe as well
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| 09:23 | <nsar> where you are uploading text output remind please
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| 09:23 | <yhan> does anyone using that term ?
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| 09:23 | <jammcq> ogra: I don't have permission to see those pics you put up :(
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| 09:24 | <ogra> whoops
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| 09:24 | <yhan> jammcq, xserver-xorg-driver-via package ?
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| 09:26 | <mss_> nsar - are you asking me that ?
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| 09:27 | <jammcq> yhan: dunno.
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| 09:27 | <rafaelcardoso> what chipset via you use?
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| 09:28 | <nsar> to see the config files of ldm and ltsp if i can see if you had miss something
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| 09:28 | <ogra> jammcq, should work now
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| 09:29 | yhan, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
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| 09:29 | <yhan> I'm on the point to buy the terminals actually
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| 09:29 | ogra thanks
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| 09:30 | <mss_> which is the ldm config file ?
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| 09:35 | <mss_> # This is the default lts.conf file for ltsp 5.
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| 09:35 | # For more information about valid options please see:
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| 09:35 | # /usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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| 09:35 | # in the client environment
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| 09:35 | | |
| 09:35 | [default]
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| 09:35 | # SERVER=10.11.12.254
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| 09:35 | SOUND=True
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| 09:35 | LOCALDEV=True
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| 09:35 | NBD_SWAP=True
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| 09:35 | SYSLOG=server
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| 09:35 | SCREEN_03=ldm
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| 09:35 | # SCREEN_04=startx
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| 09:35 | X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
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| 09:35 | X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75.00 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync
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| 09:35 | # X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
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| 09:35 | that's the lts.conf file I have
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| 09:36 | <jammcq> ogra: awesome pictures, thanks
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| 09:38 | <mss_> looks like nsar gave up on me :-)
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| 09:38 | any ideas on what to look for ogra ?
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| 09:41 | <Guaraldo> !ltsppbot
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| 09:41 | <ltspbot> Guaraldo: Error: "ltsppbot" is not a valid command.
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| 09:42 | <Guaraldo> !pastebot
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| 09:42 | <ltspbot> Guaraldo: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:42 | <mss_> thanks
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| 09:44 | <vagrantc> mss_: X_MODE_0 only supports the screen dimensions, not the whole line
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| 09:45 | i.e. X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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| 09:45 | <mss_> vagrantc : ok .. but is that why the screen is going blank after logging into the session ?
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| 09:45 | because of the extra stuff ?
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| 09:45 | <vagrantc> mss_: does it go blank and stay that way indefinitely, or does it come back to the login screen ?
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| 09:46 | <mss_> the white screen and the arrow cursor stay on indefinitely ... the cursor moves with the mouse ...
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| 09:47 | also, if I use startx instead of ldm, it works fine
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| 09:48 | <vagrantc> mss_: which linux distro ?
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| 09:48 | <mss_> edubuntu 7.04
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| 09:49 | <vagrantc> mss_: and messages in /home/user/.xsession-errors ?
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| 09:53 | <mss_> vagrantc : sending you the .xsession-errors
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| 09:55 | <vagrantc> mss_: use the pastebot
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| 09:56 | <ltsppbot> "mss_" pasted "~/.xsession-errors" (38 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/177
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| 09:56 | <mss_> there it is
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| 09:59 | I noticed session manager says ICE-unix , is that right ?
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| 10:01 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 10:01 | nothin obvious to me
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| 10:04 | <mss_> it looks like the session is up - just in some vague state ...the mouse / cursor is moving ...
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| 10:10 | vagrantc - thanks anyway .. I think I'll send an email to the lists...
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| 10:11 | bye
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| 10:25 | <Blinny> I continue to experience random FF crashes with 'BadAlloc' errors on multiple video chipsets and computers. Does anyone have a real, actual idea of what causes this?
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| 10:26 | I've read everything from xserver's uncompressed pixmap caching to errors in the xservers to FF errors
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| 10:27 | This has occurred 5 times so far this morning when using a LTSP 1225e terminal with the disklessworkstation-provided via openchrome driver.
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| 10:28 | <Blinny> I spent close to $5k on a server trying to get this organization away from the grips of Microsoft licenses and I can't find a single thin client that doesn't crash.
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| 10:31 | I'd really appreciate some concerted, focused help on this issue. Unfortunately this channel seems to be primarily a tool for developer communication, not All Things LTSP, as it is advertised.
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| 10:46 | <sepski> Blinny, ltsp on what os ?
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| 10:46 | <Blinny> sepski: Fedora. This is K12LTSP
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| 10:46 | v4.2
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| 10:46 | <sepski> oohh sorry i dont know much about ltsp pre ltsp5
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| 10:47 | <Blinny> Well, thanks for responding (;
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| 10:47 | <sepski> you can try a premade os with ltsp out of the box ? like debian-edu or skolelinux
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| 10:47 | <Blinny> That's what K12LTSP is.
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| 10:47 | <sepski> atlest to get some motivation from seaing it "work"
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| 10:48 | <Blinny> I do see it work; at least, until Firefox crashes.
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 11:52 | <Blinny> Morning.
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| 11:54 | <Lumiere> Blinny: hi it is a help channel
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| 11:54 | <Lumiere> just have to have the people on who can help ;)
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| 11:54 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> hi all
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| 11:54 | XDMCP: fatal error: Session declined Maximum number of open sessions reached
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> Someone need help with something?
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| 11:54 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> with gdmn
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| 11:54 | gdm
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| 11:54 | <Lumiere> sbalneav: see if you can help Blinny :)
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> kaminski-ltsp-br: you need to bump up the max sessions in gdm
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| 11:55 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> sbalneav: ok... and restart the gdm too?
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| 11:55 | <Blinny> sbalneav: I need help with an easily-reproduced crashbug.
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| 11:55 | <sbalneav> kaminski-ltsp-br: yep. Unfortunately.
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| 11:55 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> MaxSessions=100
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| 11:55 | sbalneav: all right... ;)
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| 11:55 | thx
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| 11:55 | <sbalneav> np
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| 11:57 | Blinny: ....and the problem you're having is?
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| 11:57 | <Lumiere> 10:20:36 < Blinny> I continue to experience random FF crashes with 'BadAlloc' errors on multiple video chipsets and computers. Does anyone have a real, actual idea of what causes this?
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| 11:57 | <Lumiere> *saves time*
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| 11:57 | 10:21:00 < Blinny> I've read everything from xserver's uncompressed pixmap caching to errors in the xservers to FF errors
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| 11:57 | <Blinny> Thanks.
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| 11:57 | <sbalneav> You're probably running out of swap.
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| 11:58 | Do you have swap turned on for the workstations?
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| 11:58 | <Blinny> Yeah, I have a certain page that will consistently crash my new LTSP 1225e
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| 11:58 | <sbalneav> what's the page?
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| 11:58 | <Blinny> sbalneav: http://www.alp-tschingla.ch/pics.htm
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| 11:58 | multiple big pics scaled down on the same page
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| 11:59 | I can force a crash by browsing around overstock.com's 100-shoes-per-page, however this is much quicker
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| 11:59 | I do not have swap turned on. Do you mean the 'USE_NDB_SWAP' setting?
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| 11:59 | <sbalneav> Yep
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| 11:59 | You'll need it.
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| 12:00 | Firefox allocates ram for pixmaps on the X server.
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| 12:00 | <Blinny> Should that be on by default?
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| 12:00 | ...or just for the problematic clients?
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> If you run out of ram on the workstation, your firefox will die.
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| 12:00 | What distro are you running?
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| 12:00 | <Blinny> Fedora6
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| 12:01 | <sbalneav> I'd turn it on for everyone.
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| 12:01 | <Blinny> (k12LTSPv6 based on 4.2)
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| 12:01 | OK.
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| 12:01 | Got a second to let me reboot this terminal and test?
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| 12:01 | <sbalneav> You'll need the ltspswapd as well.
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| 12:01 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> sbalneav: the default max sessions at gdm is only 16
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| 12:01 | <sbalneav> kaminski-ltsp-br: yeah, they set it pretty low.
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| 12:01 | Different distros set it differently.
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| 12:01 | <Blinny> ltspswapd is running
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| 12:02 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> sbalneav: at sarge was different
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| 12:02 | <Blinny> BRB
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| 12:10 | <Blinny> sbalneav: That worked.
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| 12:10 | sbalneav: Thank you. I've been wrestling with this problem since April.
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| 12:12 | <sbalneav> No problem.
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| 12:12 | <Blinny> ...as have other K12LTSPers - I'll share this bit with the list. Again, thank you.
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| 12:13 | <sbalneav> It's been beaten to death about 50 million times on the ltsp-discuss list. GIYF.
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| 12:14 | <Blinny> Maybe I should re-join that list.
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| 12:16 | Googling for the error I got when debugging firefox ('BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)') only turns up 11k hits.
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| 12:16 | The k12 list (including jammcq) didn't seem to have this information either. I'll be sure to pass it on. Thank you.
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| 13:40 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> heya!
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| 13:41 | finally getting ltspfs and sound support in debian more solid :)
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| 13:43 | <jammcq> coolio
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| 13:47 | * vagrantc tested LDM_DIRECTX too | |
| 13:47 | <vagrantc> gnome was really unstable for some reason
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| 13:50 | <rjune_> Hola!
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| 14:09 | <yigal> hi guys.. thanks for yesterday's support. Hope you have patients for anothe round
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| 14:10 | The issue is LTSP.. I installed Edubuntu server edition, and I managed to prepare floppy for the client and also to set it up as network boot
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| 14:11 | now I dont know how to tell the server to accept this client, or to tell the client which server to access
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| 14:11 | hope someone has an idea
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> That's what dhcpd is for.
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| 14:12 | What happens when you boot the client with the floppy?
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| 14:12 | By the way, have you read through the edubuntu handbook?
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| 14:12 | <yigal> i get endless lines which looks lige 386 registers set: AX:0212 BX:0000 CX:0000 DX:0000
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| 14:13 | and yes, I read too many manuals. I couldnt locate simple one for dummies
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> You're setting up network bootable thin clients.
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| 14:13 | It's not an easy thing to do.
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| 14:13 | <yigal> i thought it's easy with Edubuntu
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> It's definitely easier than trying to set things up manually with ltsp 4.2
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> First question: what kind of ethernet card do you have in the client?
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| 14:15 | <yigal> sis-900 based
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> !bootfloppy
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| 14:15 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 14:15 | <sbalneav> Does it have a built-in PXE client?
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| 14:16 | <yigal> i dont know. I used rom-o-matic to generate the floppy when i tried floppy, and gave same result
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> Have you checked in the BIOS of that machine, to see if there's a "Network Boot" option?
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> yigal: ttry one of the floppies mentioned above. they support most network cards without having to know which you have.
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> but sbalneav 's sugegstion is better. see if your machine supports network boot
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: He might not need it if the bios has a PXE client built in.
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| 14:17 | <yigal> yes - there is a boot option and i tried it and it gave exect same result as floppy boot
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: :)
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> OK, why don't you tell us exactly what you got.
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| 14:17 | Did it get an IP address?
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| 14:18 | <yigal> i said it few lines above:
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| 14:18 | i get endless lines which looks lige 386 registers set: AX:0212 BX:0000 CX:0000 DX:0000
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| 14:18 | these lines repeat themselves
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| 14:18 | <sbalneav> Did it say "Downloading kernel"?
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| 14:18 | <yigal> no
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| 14:19 | but i am not sure the server is set properly
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| 14:19 | <sbalneav> Did it grab an IP address?
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| 14:19 | <yigal> i dont think so... how can i tell? I get endless loop
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| 14:19 | <sbalneav> When you turn it on, you'll see it say somthing like DHCP...
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| 14:19 | Then it will usually print an IP address
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| 14:20 | <yigal> it just say: AX=0212 BX=0000 CX=000 DX=000 , endlessly
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| 14:20 | <sbalneav> then it will begin downloading the kernel, usually displaying some dots to indicate it's progress.
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| 14:20 | So it says NOTHING else?
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| 14:20 | <yigal> yes
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| 14:20 | <sbalneav> Then you have a problem with the thin client.
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| 14:21 | <yigal> it's a P4 PC working well when it boots the hard drive, but I will try another PC
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| 14:21 | stay tuned. thanks so far.
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| 14:22 | <cottima> hello, is there good documentation for ltsp 5.0 from the ground up. I switched to debian for the compatibility.
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| 14:22 | <sbalneav> cottima: At the moment, documentation for LTSP5's a little thin
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| 14:22 | Check out LTSP.org for what we've got.
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> !debian
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| 14:23 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> there's room for improvement. that's why it's a wiki
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| 14:24 | cottima: there's not a lot there. but some starters
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| 14:24 | <cottima> sbalneav, so is 4.2 docs still an okay to get an idea of how it works and how to configure?
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> There's still some good information there.
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> but a lot of it is misleading ...
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| 14:25 | <sbalneav> The best, most current info is at the edubunu handbook.
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| 14:25 | <cottima> okay, thank you. also
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| 14:25 | Also, I have at least 200Mhz, about 2GB hdd, and 128MB ram for thin clients. Is there a way to have some of the resources or a debian install on the clients to relieve server system resources?
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| 14:26 | <sbalneav> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
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| 14:26 | At the moment, localapps are a very do-it-yourself proposition.
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| 14:27 | so, unless you're familiar with doing some scripting to get things set up, probably not.
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| 14:33 | <gonzaloaf_work> does ltsp 4.2 install and work good under the latest version of Ubuntu?
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> gonzaloaf_work: why not ltsp5 ?
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| 14:34 | <gonzaloaf_work> because I use local devices and autologin (gdm)
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| 14:34 | <Q-FUNK> is ltsp-5 packaged for feisty?
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: yes
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| 14:34 | !ubuntu
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| 14:34 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 14:35 | <yigal> guys.. I am back - the other PC is based on Marvel Yukon. No binary on rom-o-matic but once i enabled the BIOS I could try booting.. and it looks better now:
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| 14:35 | first i got MAC: 00 0e a6 91 1f 68
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| 14:36 | then GUID with lots of numbers
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| 14:36 | last: no bootfile name found
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| 14:36 | <gonzaloaf_work> is local devices and autologin available for ltsp5?
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| 14:36 | <yigal> i think it's time to set the server, I dont know how
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> gonzaloaf_work: local devices work, but autologin requires some patches
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| 14:37 | <sbalneav> yigal: please tell me a little bit about your network topology. Does your edubuntu have one ethernet card, or two? Is your edubuntu box the only dhcp server on the network?
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| 14:37 | <gonzaloaf_work> vagrantc, ltsp5 uses ldm right? this was one difficulty that I found when migrating to ltsp5
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> gonzaloaf_work: yes.
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| 14:38 | <yigal> I hav edimax router, the edubuntu machine has one network card
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| 14:38 | <sbalneav> Does the edimax router hand out dhcp addresses?
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| 14:38 | <yigal> yes
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| 14:38 | <sbalneav> That's going to be a problem.
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| 14:39 | <yigal> best solution would be?
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| 14:40 | <sbalneav> Normally, what I suggest to people is install another card into the edubuntu machine, and hang the terminals off of a separate switch/hub. Another possibulity is to configure both DHCP servers to hand out static IP address I.e. tied to a mac address, so they don't stomp on each other.
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| 14:41 | <yigal> what if we tell edubunto not to assign IPs and let the router only do that? no contension in that case
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| 14:42 | <sbalneav> Yes, but then you have to tell your router to hand out such magic information as the boot file name, and the root NFS server path.
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> yigal: better the other way around.
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| 14:43 | <sbalneav> Most simple routers won't handle that.
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| 14:45 | <yigal> I have 7 working computers at home, some static IPs some dynamic - I am not sure I understood what the router cany handle. Once the network card i sbooting, the router assigns the IP, right?
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> yes, but your DHCP server (the router) needs to tell the thin client additional information beyond just the IP address
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| 14:45 | many routers don't support that additional information
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| 14:45 | <yigal> i see. like what?
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> Correct, but the DHCP protocol is capable to assign more than just an IP address.
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> root path, and boot file
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> A thin client needs to know several things:
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| 14:46 | it's IP address, for a start, but..
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| 14:46 | It also needs to know what file to download to get booted,
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| 14:46 | and what server it should mount it's root from
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| 14:47 | Typically, the little dhcp server in most routers ONLY can supply the IP address.
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| 14:47 | <yigal> is there a way the server can say: "mount on me, baby"?
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> Yes
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| 14:47 | Through DHCP.
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| 14:47 | <yigal> :)
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| 14:48 | <sbalneav> So, if you have a seconds ethernet card, and a separate switch, the two dhcp servers won't bump into each other.
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| 14:48 | If you shut down the dhcp server on the router, and use edubuntu as your dhcp server, that will work too.
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| 14:49 | <yigal> ok.... here is what I will do next: I will put secondary network card, and try to connect the client to this card.
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| 14:49 | <sbalneav> yep.
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| 14:49 | <yigal> I will not shut the DHCP on the server,, looks bad direction
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| 14:49 | but ... but....
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> What is your main IP address range? 192.168.2.X? If I remember?
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| 14:50 | Then make the second card 192.168.0.254
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| 14:50 | <yigal> yes
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| 14:50 | ok
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| 14:51 | now I have more work... again.... mostly to find a switching cable if i have to connect the PCs directly
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| 14:51 | long time since I used these ones
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| 14:51 | thanks again for now
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| 14:58 | <yigal> one last Q: how can i determine network card and MAC address of an old PC which I cant install OS on it (low mem). Is there a small linux/DOS I can use for that? what util?
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| 14:59 | <sbalneav> yigal: is it a separate card?
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| 15:01 | <yigal> yes
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| 15:01 | <sbalneav> I usually just pop the card out, and look at it. Most of them have the mac address printed on them somewhere. :)
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| 15:02 | <yigal> no simple util that does that?
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| 15:02 | or "DOS like linux"?
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| 15:03 | <sbalneav> no, not usually, because that util would have to know about every different kind of network card.
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| 15:03 | etherboot could tell you as well.
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| 15:06 | <yigal> ok... although i would expect it just to report MAC, vendor and type
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| 15:10 | <sbalneav> it needs to know about the card for that.
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| 15:10 | <yigal> i see
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| 15:11 | thanks
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| 15:11 | <testing> !ubuntu
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| 15:11 | <ltspbot> testing: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 15:16 | <testing> !ubuntu
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| 15:16 | <ltspbot> testing: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 15:20 | <testing> vagrantc, Ok I'm gonzaloaf from another pc, I have decided try ltsp5 again
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> testing: on debian or ubuntu ?
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| 15:30 | <testing> vagrantc, I would love to try it on debian, but I think ubuntu has a later version of xfce on its repos
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 15:57 | i can't get ltspfs to build anymore ... on etch or sid.
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| 15:57 | ./configure: line 3380: syntax error near unexpected token `LTSPFSD,'
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| 15:57 | ./configure: line 3380: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LTSPFSD, x11)'
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| 16:00 | <sbalneav> Hmm
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| 16:00 | doesn't do it for mine.
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| 16:00 | What version of autoconf and automake do you have installed?
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> yeah, and stratus just uploaded a new one
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| 16:01 | <sbalneav> ii autoconf 2.61-3
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> ii autoconf 2.61-4 automatic configure script builder
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| 16:01 | <sbalneav> ii automake1.9 1.9.6+nogfdl-3ubuntu1
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> ii automake 1.10+nogfdl-1 A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles
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| 16:02 | <sbalneav> wierd
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| 16:03 | * vagrantc tries with automake1.9 | |
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc> much better
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| 16:08 | <sbalneav> Hmm
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| 16:08 | Wonder what's changed between am1.9 and am1.10
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| 16:15 | <testing> I have executed ltsp-build-client but it failed, now do I have to remove the /opt/ltsp directory before try again?
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| 16:16 | !ubuntu
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| 16:16 | <ltspbot> testing: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 16:16 | <sbalneav> testing: Something you might find handy would be to use the --mirror option, in conjunction with something like apt-cacher
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| 16:17 | Yes, it's best to rm /opt/ltsp
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| 16:17 | <testing> sbalneav, so it will retrieve all pkgs from then net?
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| 16:18 | again?
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| 16:18 | <sbalneav> yes
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| 16:18 | You can shorten this quite a bit by doing the following:
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| 16:18 | install apt-cacher
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| 16:19 | cp the contents of your /var/cache/apt/archives/* dir into the import folder for apt-cacher,
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| 16:19 | running the script they inform you about on the man page.
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| 16:19 | then, everything you've already got on the box will already be in the apt-cacher.
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| 16:23 | <testing> sbalneav, where is the apt-cacher import directory?
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| 16:24 | <sbalneav> Off the top of my head, can't remember
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| 16:24 | Install apt-cacher, then man apt-cacher.
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| 16:24 | <testing> :$
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| 18:18 | <sahil> if im trying to do lbe on x86_64 will it still compile for i386?
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| 18:22 | cliebow:ping
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| 18:24 | also im trying to do the build_all fetch and im failing to get a package 19:22:09 Fetching: sh-utils-2.0.tar.gz FAILED !
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| 20:49 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 20:52 | <cliebow> sahil:im beatt..
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| 21:45 | <petre> sbalneav, ping
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| 21:45 | <sbalneav> Hey there!
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| 21:45 | How's the conference?
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| 21:45 | <petre> great! you were missed by many
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| 21:46 | had a great multi-steak dinner tonight
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| 21:46 | <sbalneav> Wasn't missed by the one most important to me, though :)
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| 21:46 | Good steak?
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| 21:46 | Gadi give a good talk?
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| 21:46 | <petre> True, you made the right choice
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| 21:46 | Steak dinner was great
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| 21:47 | or I should say, steaks dinner
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| 21:47 | yes, Gadi was great, his talk covered everything I wanted to know
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| 21:47 | which was basically "why doesn't sound work well in ltsp?"
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| 21:47 | He explained the history, layers, etc
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| 21:48 | <sbalneav> yeah, if everything used a proper audio stack, we'd be fine.
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| 21:48 | I always like to say: "Still writing to /dev/dsp? The '80's called, and wants their sound access back" :)
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| 21:49 | <petre> jammcq said you've been pounding on moving something written in python to C that improves 5's boot time
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| 21:49 | LDM?
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| 21:49 | <sbalneav> yep, I'm working on it as we speak.
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| 21:49 | Yeah, it's the display manager.
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| 21:49 | It's one of the factors that makes ltsp5 a little slow
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| 21:49 | <petre> so, what does that cut the boot time to?
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| 21:49 | <sbalneav> we're fixing it.
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| 21:50 | Well, I have a box here that under the LTSP5 in feisty takes about 2:20 to boot.
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| 21:50 | <petre> we had an ebox 2300 here and jammcq mentioned it takes 4:30 to boot under 5
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| 21:50 | <sbalneav> In the new gutsy, it's about 73 seconds.
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| 21:50 | the 2300's booot in about 1:30 now
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| 21:51 | <petre> 4.2 is < 30 seconds (not on the 2300)
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| 21:51 | think you'll get close to that?
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| 21:51 | <sbalneav> Nope.
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| 21:51 | Never.
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| 21:51 | <petre> 'cause of ssh?
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| 21:51 | <sbalneav> no
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| 21:51 | Because 4.2 was completely and utterly custom tweaked.
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| 21:51 | I'm not really impressed by the 2300
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| 21:52 | <petre> performance-wise, neither am I
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| 21:52 | <sbalneav> About the only thing going for it is that it's cheap.
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| 21:52 | Jammcq obsesses over boot time.
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| 21:52 | I tend not to.
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| 21:52 | <petre> price- and size-wise, it's noteworthy
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| 21:52 | <sbalneav> 5 minuets is too long, certainly
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| 21:53 | <petre> when doing demos, boot time can influence how people respond
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| 21:53 | feeds into their perception of how 'fast' it is
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| 21:53 | <sbalneav> I don't care what people think of ltsp.
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| 21:53 | <petre> OTOH, I suppose one could just talk during the boot
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| 21:53 | <sbalneav> They can use it or not.
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| 21:54 | I don't do this because of what OTHER people think of ltsp.
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| 21:54 | I do this because it solves MY need. :)
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| 21:54 | Scratches MY itch.
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| 21:54 | <petre> I care when my children's school is laying off teacher assistants but still buys fat Macs
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| 21:54 | but yeah, I agree, best to focus on one's own itches
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| 21:56 | <petre> We'll do NCLS again next year, and hope that you can join us
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| 21:57 | <sbalneav> Might be a bit better to hold it a little closer to the end of June, when all the "last concerts/games/competitions/etc" are done.
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| 21:58 | <petre> It also might make it easier for David Trask and/or Matt O. to come out, talk about ldap and all they've done
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| 21:58 | <sbalneav> Prolly.
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| 21:58 | <petre> But I worry if we push farther back in June, we'll lose people to summer vacations
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| 21:58 | teachers and school folk who we invite for the first day
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| 21:58 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 21:59 | <petre> hey jammcq, long time no see
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| 21:59 | <jammcq> petre: hey
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| 22:00 | <sbalneav> hey jammcq
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| 22:00 | <jammcq> !s
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| 22:00 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 22:00 | <jammcq> sbalneav: sure wish you coulda been here in Mnpls
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| 22:01 | <sbalneav> Well, I had someone here who needed me more :)
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| 22:02 | * petre agrees with sbalneav | |
| 22:02 | <sbalneav> rats, why won't this work.
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| 22:02 | <jammcq> sbalneav: yeah, I know
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| 22:02 | <sbalneav> ah.
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| 22:02 | that's why :)
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| 22:02 | * sbalneav realizes he's talking to himself | |
| 22:05 | * petre is exhausted and needs to go to bed | |
| 22:05 | <petre> g'night all
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