IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 4 September 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:16 | <bennabiy> christophe_y2k: what does the console say
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| 00:22 | vagrantc: you still here?
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| 00:22 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: ish
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| 00:22 | <bennabiy> ish = man in hebrew
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| 00:23 | Who ends up making a decision to merge branches?
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| 00:25 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+members#active
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| 00:26 | <bennabiy> I saw that list. How is the decision made?
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| 00:26 | <vagrantc> although realistically, alkisg, myself, enslaver, stgraber and ... whoever works on gentoo :)
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| 00:26 | bennabiy: people use their judgement
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| 00:29 | <bennabiy> I just need to know how to direct my efforts. I wrote the the mint developers to see if they could tell me what I need to know, as well as fix their system.
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| 00:29 | I appreciate your advice, even though this doesn't really involve what you do. Thank you for that
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| 00:29 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: there's a ltsp-developers mailing list
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| 00:30 | <bennabiy> is it open for me to subscribe?
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| 00:30 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: not sure... but you can try
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| 00:30 | * vagrantc thinks the gentoo person is knipwim_ | |
| 00:31 | <bennabiy> now, is the picture of the support person alkisg?
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| 00:31 | <vagrantc> i don't know what picture you speak of
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| 00:32 | <bennabiy> http://ltsp.org/images/ircsupport.png
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| 00:33 | I can only find the ltsp-discuss list on the website
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| 00:34 | <vagrantc> no idea who that is in the picture
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| 00:35 | bennabiy: same link, just use ltsp-developer
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| 00:35 | bennabiy: it's not very active ... a lot of development happens over irc.
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| 00:38 | <bennabiy> it let me on.
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| 13:34 | <matthias_android> Hi may i ask a question?
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| 13:34 | <dead_inside> !ask
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| 13:34 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 13:36 | <matthias_android> Ok thanks. What is the best way to create a transfer folder for my fat clients on my server. I testet symlinks but never worked. Ubuntu 12.04.3 lts
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| 13:38 | <dead_inside> a transfer folder?
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| 13:38 | <matthias_android> Yes for sharing files etc.
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| 13:38 | Understand me?
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| 13:38 | <dead_inside> yea i think
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| 13:38 | i would recommend a nfs share, one you have the fat client image configured to mount on boot
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| 13:43 | <matthias_android> Where do i have to configure it for the fat clients excatly?
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| 13:45 | <dead_inside> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients#Further_chroot_customizations
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| 13:46 | once your in the chroot you can configure the nfs share like you would on a regular ubuntu desktop
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| 13:46 | when done exit and update the image
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| 13:53 | <matthias_android> Ok im just reading the ubuntuusers wiki article and trying understand. Thank you for your help do far
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| 13:57 | Am i doing it right if i write the mount option into the fstab file on the client? Where would it be displayed in nautilus?
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| 13:58 | <dead_inside> yes your writing it in the fstab file, i would recommend making a directory some where on your image that your users will easily be able to navigate to in nautilus, then using that directory as the mount point in fstab
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| 13:58 | <matthias_android> As a hdd bookmark....?
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| 13:59 | <dead_inside> i'm not sure, i honestly dont use nautilus
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| 14:12 | <matthias_android> And if i want to install dropbox on the fat client images would that work for sync a dir on the client with a private home pc
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| 14:15 | <dead_inside> i have never used dropbox, but you can sure try, when your in the chroot you can install anything like you would on a regular desktop, exit and update the image
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| 14:15 | its something i really love about ltsp
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| 14:17 | <matthias_android> Yes a way better than windows and it does not get slower after installation
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| 14:17 | I asked because dropbox usually creates an folder called dropbox in the home dir
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| 14:52 | <bennabiy> alkisg: this is from the mint15 install DVD under preseed ltsp.seed
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| 14:52 | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2971329
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| 14:55 | <alkisg1> bennabiy: ltsp.seed isn't mint-specific
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| 14:58 | <bennabiy> there is a mint.seed as well, but it is all commented out
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| 15:00 | Here is the filesystem.manifest http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2971434
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> ....they ship apache2 preinstalled?
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| 15:01 | <bennabiy> and filesystem.manifest-desktop http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2971435
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| 15:01 | This is in the casper folder of the DVD
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> Did you ask the "how to create a mint chroot" question anywhere in the mint forums or mailing list or irc or...?
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| 15:02 | <bennabiy> I asked the question to root@linuxmint.com, and I am going to post the question to the forum as well
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| 15:03 | the website says to ask dev questions to root@
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> Sure, if he says so... :)
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| 15:04 | Did you find out anything else that is needed to support mint,
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| 15:04 | except for detect_vendor, a mirror, and a list of packages?
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| 15:06 | <bennabiy> I am trying to see if there are any more clues I can glean from the DVD, but nothing much so far
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> So far I still don't think it deserves a different directory
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| 15:07 | Just some package lists, one for vanilla mint, one for xfce, kde ...
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| 15:07 | and one for lmde, and gain with xfce, kde...
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| 15:07 | *again
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| 15:08 | And that's just because they don't have appropriate packages to do that with 1 -desktop package...
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| 15:08 | <bennabiy> I just found the dev IRC channel, gonna see if anyone is there.
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| 15:10 | * alkisg notes again that what we want to know is, "how to build a mint chroot", "how to build a mint with xfce chroot", "how to build e.g. lmde with lxde chroot" etc | |
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| 16:11 | <bennabiy> It seems that the mint devs are very friendly towards providing information.
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| 16:12 | That is helpful
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| 17:00 | <Zaphoid> I'm having an issue where my fat clients won't shut down completely. Restart works fine, but not shutdown.
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| 17:17 | <bennabiy> alkisg: I am talking with the devs of mint right now. They seem very friendly towards providing whatever info we need
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| 17:20 | <alkisg> Zaphoid: I think there's a hook for nbd missing in ubuntu that causes this.. which version are you using?
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| 17:20 | <Zaphoid> Ubuntu 12.4
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| 17:20 | <alkisg> bennabiy: nice, any answers so far?
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| 17:21 | Zaphoid: if you want, search the irc logs or the ltsp mailing list or launchpad, workarounds were mentioned more than once
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| 17:21 | <Zaphoid> Ha, ok, finally found it.
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| 17:21 | Been looking since I asked.
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| 17:23 | <bennabiy> mint-meta-mate and mint-meta-codecs are two which contain a good bit of it
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| 17:29 | <alkisg> Hmm mint-meta-mate is available but not installed in my linuxmint-14.1-mate-dvd-32bit.iso...
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| 17:29 | <bennabiy> It is the requirements for mate desktop
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| 17:29 | here is the pastebin of the package
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| 17:29 | <alkisg> That dvd does have the mate desktop, but not the mint-meta-mate package
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| 17:29 | <bennabiy> http://pastebin.com/S3kW8hYy
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| 17:29 | <alkisg> I don't know if they changed anything after that...
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| 17:30 | État: non installé
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| 17:30 | Doesn't that mean "not installed"?
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| 17:30 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 17:30 | <alkisg> So you don't have it installed either
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| 17:30 | <bennabiy> That is not from my computer
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| 17:31 | that is from Clem's (the main mint dev) but he is running cinnamon at the moment, so it is not installed on that machine
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| 17:35 | <alkisg> In LMDE, mint-meta-mate isn't even available for installation
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| 17:42 | <bennabiy> I am asking what the equiv would be for LMDE
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| 17:43 | I think that mint-meta-mate is only there to pull the reqs, not as a "required" package. If the reqs are there manually ( like on a DVD ) then no need to pull them.
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> How does he create the DVD? Does he use a seeds file? Where is it?
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| 17:45 | <bennabiy> I asked... waiting
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| 17:46 | * alkisg didn't yet really understand how "mint" is defined... is it a distro? is it a collection of packages? Is e.g. mintmenu used even in the KDE version? If not, which differences does KDE mint have from e.g. kubuntu? Etc etc... | |
| 17:47 | <alkisg> I'm downloading Olivia mate to check out the latest version...
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| 17:47 | <bennabiy> ok. I have the image available as well
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> Do they plan on sending patches for debootstrap?
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| 17:49 | Things would be much more sane if mint was just a package, installable over plain ubuntu etc, without special "versions" like olivia and nadia ...
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| 17:50 | <bennabiy> He puts it together manually
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| 17:50 | for lmde it's mint-meta-debian-mate
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> ...I don't have that either, maybe I have an older version of LMDE...
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| 17:52 | <bennabiy> like I said, I think these packages are just pullers for the required packages
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| 17:52 | like placeholders
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> It's not even available, I'm not just talking about "installed"
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| 17:52 | apt-cache policy mint-meta-debian-mate => nope
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| 17:54 | Ah sorry, wrong VM
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| 17:54 | Yup it's available in LMDE
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| 17:55 | <bennabiy> 01:53:57 PM - clem_: bennabiy: no, mintmenu is only used in the MATE edition
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| 17:55 | 01:54:15 PM - clem_: bennabiy: it's hard to answer, it really depends on what you call a distribution
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| 17:55 | 01:54:30 PM - clem_: bennabiy: typically we use the upstream repositories as well as our own
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| 17:55 | 01:54:59 PM - clem_: bennabiy: so if you look at it from a package base point of view you can think of Mint as being the same as Ubuntu + pinned packages
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| 17:57 | 01:55:44 PM - clem_: bennabiy: but if you look at it from a project point of view, you'll see two distinct directions
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| 17:57 | 01:56:44 PM - clem_: bennabiy: we classify ourselves as a separate distribution because we don't depend on Ubuntu or Debian, we simply use them to implement what we have in mind, as such we consider them upstream components
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| 17:59 | <alkisg> Well, that might sound nice from a philosophical viewpoint, but not from a technical viewpoint
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| 17:59 | If I want to build an ubuntu system, I use `debootstrap <ubuntu-version>`
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| 17:59 | <bennabiy> 01:57:26 PM - clem_: bennabiy: that's needed because the lsb info is used by many apps to show the user visual info
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| 17:59 | 01:58:06 PM - clem_: bennabiy: in the end of the day it doesn't really matter what it is, it is a separate product than Ubuntu
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| 17:59 | 01:58:18 PM - clem_: bennabiy: Ubuntu isn't really its own distribution either
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| 17:59 | <alkisg> If a debian, <debian-version>
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| 17:59 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 17:59 | <alkisg> While for mint, I'd use <ubuntu-version>, and then manually add packages...
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| 18:00 | <bennabiy> 01:58:38 PM - clem_: bennabiy: they use Debian as a package base and apply a set of patches on top, they rebase on that every 6 months
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| 18:00 | 01:58:55 PM - clem_: bennabiy: so although they're not compatible with them, they don't maintain their own packages
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| 18:01 | <alkisg> Well, these are distributions: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=d-i/debootstrap.git;a=tree;f=scripts;h=9dcd8eea4eaf2ed8700fd72ef51e12076c9f34c2;hb=HEAD
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| 18:01 | ...based on debian, but supported from upstream debootstrap
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| 18:02 | <alkisg> There's a reasoning for using a series name, like "precise" or "wheezy"... it's used in deboostrap, in apt sources etc
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| 18:02 | When using both "precise" and "maya" in apt sources, and only "precise" in debootstrap, there are issues...
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| 18:03 | <bennabiy> 02:00:48 PM - clem_: very few tools are designed with dual-base distributions in mind
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| 18:03 | 02:01:14 PM - clem_: they typically look in LSB, identify the distribution and assumes it maintains its own packages
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| 18:03 | 02:01:33 PM - clem_: that's the reason we got rid of software-properties and developed mintsources
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| 18:03 | 02:02:07 PM - clem_: Mint 15 doesn't just have one codename when it comes to repositories, it has 2..
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| 18:03 | 02:02:12 PM - clem_: olivia and raring
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| 18:03 | 02:02:31 PM - clem_: debootstrap wasn't designed to support that
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| 18:04 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 18:04 | That's why I think it's a bad idea that clem does it that way
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| 18:04 | <bennabiy> what about multistrap?
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| 18:04 | <alkisg> Anyways, another question, more to the point,
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| 18:04 | Suppose we want a thin chroot, without a desktop environment
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| 18:04 | ...but we do want it to be a "mint" chroot
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| 18:05 | So we do want the appropriate boot logo, apt sources etc
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| 18:05 | Is there any package that contains just those?
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| 18:05 | <bennabiy> Let me ask
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| 18:05 | Here is the last of what he said...
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| 18:05 | 02:03:08 PM - clem_: in any given Mint release you can find the file /etc/linuxmint/info
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| 18:05 | 02:03:21 PM - clem_: that gives you important info about the release
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| 18:05 | 02:03:40 PM - clem_: then there's LSB which is set up under the Mint codename
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| 18:05 | 02:04:10 PM - clem_: the file /etc/linuxmint/info is provided by mint-info-mate (in the case of the MATE edition)
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| 18:05 | might be a hint for us to grab info for testing
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| 18:07 | <alkisg> .../etc/linuxmint/info doesn't contain the "base" distribution, like e.g. precise
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| 18:07 | We need that part for debootstrap
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| 18:07 | ...where can we find it, apart from /etc/apt/sources.list?
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| 18:08 | <bennabiy> mint-meta-core is the base file for chroot
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| 18:08 | <alkisg> Hmm there's an /etc/os-release
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| 18:09 | ...but that doesn't specify "sid" for debian... only "precise" for ubuntu
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| 18:09 | <bennabiy> which mint are you looking at?
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| 18:09 | precise was 11
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| 18:09 | I mean 13
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| 18:10 | <alkisg> It was just an example, actually I have "quantal"==nadia, and LMDE...
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| 18:10 | ...and linuxmint-15-mate-dvd-32bit.iso just downloaded... booting it...
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| 18:11 | <bennabiy> 02:11:09 PM - clem_: it's already in /usr/share/mintsources/%n/mintsources.conf
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| 18:11 | 02:11:26 PM - clem_: where %n is the lsb codename
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| 18:11 | brb
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| 18:15 | <bennabiy> back
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| 18:19 | It seems that the mintsources.conf has the info we need to script in an autodetect sequence for version
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| 18:20 | that way we do not even need the case testing in vendor_detect()\
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| 18:25 | <alkisg> Putting code to match linuxmint, then extract e.g. "nadia", then go to /usr/share/mintsources/nadia/mintsources.conf, then parse mintsources.conf etc...
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| 18:25 | <bennabiy> 02:22:38 PM - clem_: be aware that Mint is handmade though...
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| 18:25 | 02:23:16 PM - clem_: we're experimenting with auto-builds (building it from the repository) but we're not planning on using this much
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| 18:25 | 02:23:46 PM - clem_: at the moment I can't give you a list of packages and repositories to auto-build Mint
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| 18:25 | 02:24:07 PM - clem_: it's the result of handmade modifications to the Ubuntu ISO, and these modifications aren't always the same for each release
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| 18:25 | 02:24:35 PM - clem_: that's the sad reality of things when you're working on top of a moving base
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| 18:25 | <alkisg> ...it would be much easier to just hardcode the mint strings
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| 18:25 | But note that XFCE, KDE, LXDE etc are supported without them mentioned at ALL in the code
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| 18:25 | ...just because they all follow the same convensions
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| 18:27 | <bennabiy> alkisg: You misunderstood, /usr/share/mintsources/*MINT*/mintsources.conf
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| 18:27 | nm
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| 18:27 | I misread
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| 18:27 | <alkisg> There's no mint dir there
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| 18:27 | I actually looked at the mintsources.conf file... :)
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| 18:28 | <bennabiy> I thought you referenced the ubuntu codename, and then right after I hit enter, I reread what you wrote
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| 18:28 | <alkisg> Well... to sum up,
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| 18:28 | since Mint is by design a moving target,
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| 18:28 | personally I wouldn't bother at all to support it with code, but I would just write an ltsp-build-client.conf file, for each mint chroot version
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| 18:29 | One for nada, one for olivia etc... and also mention the different packages for thin vs fat chroots there
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| 18:29 | I'd put those in the ltsp.org wiki and call it a day :)
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| 18:31 | <alkisg> bennabiy: note that I'm not the one "in charge" of ltsp merge requests... that above ^ was what I would do if I wanted to support mint for myself
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| 18:31 | If vagrantc wants to review and merge your code, go for it, np from me
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| 18:32 | <bennabiy> I just know, for my situation, it would make all the difference in the world to not have to add some special config file just to make ltsp work
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| 18:33 | <alkisg> Why?
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| 18:34 | <bennabiy> Because in my group, there are very few people who are familiar with linux, let alone CLI or such. I basically am setting up systems, or walking people through how to set up systems which are not very technical minded people.
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| 18:34 | <alkisg> That's what I do too, for 500+ schools
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| 18:34 | I even have my own repositories to support them, with 10+ Gb of hand-package education software etc
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| 18:35 | Anyways, for coding support for it, I'd go for the detect_vendor patch, which would map mint versions to ubuntu or debian versions (for debootstrap DIST),
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| 18:35 | <bennabiy> The issue is that I am not always available for helping walk them through troubleshooting an install if for some reason their hardware goes down, but I can leave them instructions for how to run the apt-get install etc
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> and then I'd put the extra_packages mentioned for thin and fat chroots, and do 030-artwork, and the extra mirror... 3 scripts in total
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| 18:36 | <bennabiy> and having an ubuntu or debian script file for mapping back for the sources etc
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> I wouldn't use a separate dir for just 3 scripts
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| 18:37 | <bennabiy> I just think it is funny to have detect_vendor be patched for one distro, rather than go with its distro listing
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> But its distro listing is wrong
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| 18:38 | It's the same for both ubuntu and debian
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| 18:38 | You _have_ to special-case it, it's broken
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| 18:38 | Well... unless you want to have a LinuxMint dir that doesn't have symlinks to debian nor to ubuntu,
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| 18:39 | but that does have "if" statements that source either the debian or the ubuntu scripts, based on if it's LMDE or not
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| 18:39 | THAT would be too broken to commit upstream...
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| 18:47 | <bennabiy> I from a repositories point of view, LMDE does not use Debian
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| 18:48 | they copy the codebase and work from their copy
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| 18:48 | which is always codename latest
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| 18:48 | <alkisg> bennabiy: I don't think you understood the problem
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| 18:49 | Let's say you commit a LinuxMint dir in the ltsp code base
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| 18:49 | This dir has some symlinks for common scripts
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| 18:49 | Where would those point to? To the Debian/ dir, or to the Ubuntu/ dir?
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| 18:49 | <bennabiy> It would need to detect whether to pull debian scripts or ubuntu scripts because distributor ID is the same
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| 18:49 | because ltsp pulls its folder from distributor.
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| 18:49 | I understand
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| 18:49 | but technically it is a distributor which offers two different branches
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| 18:50 | <alkisg> If it's a distribution, then it ships its own ltsp packages
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| 18:50 | <bennabiy> so technically, there is not a conflict with ID, just with how ltsp uses it to differentiate
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| 18:50 | <alkisg> If that's the case, then ltsp does support it
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| 18:50 | You can have 2 dirs in the source tree,
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| 18:50 | E.g. LMDE and UbuntuMint,
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| 18:51 | and, upon *packaging*, select the correct dir to include to ltsp.deb
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| 18:51 | That's what Ubuntu does for ltsp.deb too, it overrides any debian scripts it wants *inside* the .deb package
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| 18:51 | But for that to happen, Clem would need to build ltsp and upload it to his repositories
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| 18:51 | If you and him are willing to do that, then there's no conflict anywhere at all
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| 18:52 | The "detect_vendor" code then would go into debian/rules only for the linuxmint packages, the upstream ltsp would never see that
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| 18:53 | <alkisg> We use the same technique for /usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d too, the files there are overlapped/overriden in the packaging stage
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| 18:54 | Each "child" distro overrides files from its "parent". So for example you'd have Debian > Ubuntu > MintUbuntu
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| 18:55 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files/head:/client/Ubuntu/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/
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| 18:56 | For init-ltsp.d, Ubuntu only overrides a single script from Debian
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| 18:56 | In turn, Debian overrides 11 scripts from "common": http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files/head:/client/Debian/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/
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| 18:56 | ...and here are the common, "grandfather" scripts: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files/head:/client/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/
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| 18:57 | The merging happens from debian/rules.
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| 18:57 | So, is Mint willing to have an ltsp package in its own repositories, and for it to be different from the ubuntu one? (same for lmde too)
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| 18:57 | <bennabiy> I am asking
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| 18:58 | <alkisg> Hmmm although I forgot something...
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| 18:58 | That above is true for init-ltsp.d, but not exactly true for the ltsp-build-client plugin scripts,
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| 18:58 | <bennabiy> whats that?
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| 18:59 | <alkisg> ...because the idea was that someone using e.g. debian might want to build e.g. an ubuntu chroot,
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| 18:59 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 18:59 | exactly
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| 18:59 | <alkisg> so *all* the plugins are available, they are not merged in the packaging stage,
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| 18:59 | ...and thus, LinuxMint can only refer to either LMDE or UbuntuMint,
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| 19:00 | ...and thus, yup, again, it's impossible to not patch detect_vendor :)
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| 19:00 | <bennabiy> so why not just fully support it upstream, and if support breaks at some point because of something on the mint side, then either it gets fixed, or we are back to no support...
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| 19:01 | <alkisg> Sure go ahead no problem with me,
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| 19:01 | <bennabiy> I will probably be using mint for a while, and do not mind keeping up with the changes.
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| 19:01 | <alkisg> ...but do start with detect_vendor setting the correct VENDOR, DIST etc
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| 19:01 | Don't start with a separate LinuxMint dir, it's broken design
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| 19:02 | (because mint is broken)
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| 19:02 | Hrm. Well. Unless...
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| 19:03 | ...if you want to have a LinuxMint dir, that has the 2-3 scripts we talked about,
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| 19:03 | ...and an additional script that replicates the "source all Debian/ or all Ubuntu/ scripts" logic
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| 19:03 | (to avoid the "symlink to Debian/ or to Ubuntu/ ???" issue)
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| 19:04 | * alkisg wouldn't go for a LinuxMint dir though | |
| 19:06 | <bennabiy> Well, we want to pull the artwork and a couple key things. I wouldnt want to source all of ubuntu artwork
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> That's 1 of the 3 scripts, yeah
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| 19:06 | No issue there
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| 19:07 | <bennabiy> So actually have all the files, no symlinks, but source the Debian or Ubuntu files ?
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> 1) Patch detect_vendor to return VENDOR=Debian, DIST=sid, or VENDOR=Ubuntu, DIST=precise (instead of VENDOR=LinuxMint)
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| 19:08 | Then the current logic will source either the Ubuntu/ or Debian/ dirs without you doing anything more,
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| 19:09 | 2) Create Debian/000-basic-configuration-mint and Ubuntu/000-basic-configuration-mint scripts
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| 19:10 | (actually, those would be setting DIST, not detect_vendor)
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| 19:11 | <bennabiy> and within my Ubuntu/000-basic-configuration-mint have it pull the MINTDIST and DIST from the lsb_release and that mintsources.conf
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| 19:11 | <alkisg> 3) Patch 030-artwork so that it support mint. Don't create a separate script for that.
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| 19:11 | <bennabiy> so that I do not have to keep a manual running file needing to be constantly updated with each release
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> 4) Put some 010-mint-mirrors file
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| 19:12 | <bennabiy> Would it better to do an IF or a CASE in the artwork patch?
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> And finally 4) Somewhere, either in early or late packages, not sure where, install the packages that mint needs (the meta ones)
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| 19:13 | else
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| 19:13 | desktops=$(dpkg -l | sed -n 's/^ii.*\<\(.*buntu-desktop\)\>.*/\1/p')
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| 19:13 | fi
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| 19:14 | would be, elif [ -n "$MINTDIST" ]; then desktops=something with mint,
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| 19:14 | else <the previous code goes here>
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| 19:15 | Anyways, that would be _my_ plan to support mint in code... fell free to do it however you want, and talk with vagrantc about merging.
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| 19:15 | bbl!
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| 19:16 | <bennabiy> Ok. It will probably be later this week when I actually get the time to code this. It is almost the high shabbat
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| 19:16 | I really appreciate your help.
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| 20:19 | <bennabiy> Does anyone have input for which makes a better LTSP chip, AMD or Intel?
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> bennabiy: it's the same question as "which makes the better linux chip"... so just google for that one
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| 20:38 | Intel usually supports Linux much better than AMD
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| 20:56 | <tfdl> Hello guys, I have (ubuntu 12.04.3 alternate-i386.iso installer) LTSP server and its thin-clients PXE boot and running very nicely for hour University Library. I am very happy, but because some of our thin client terminals need to rotate the screen portrait (orientation of the desktop needed to be portrait). I have looked at and read many article and pages on LTSP help but still can not make it work. Please if you can help even just point
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| 20:57 | i very much appreciate your help.
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| 20:59 | <bennabiy> I thought so
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| 20:59 | Alright, I will be back around in a couple days ( I will still be here though, although not at the desk)
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| 21:00 | <tfdl> hi bennabiy
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| 21:00 | wrong person?
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| 21:01 | <bennabiy> hi tfdl, and bye everybody!
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| 21:25 | <Nicaragua> hi!, epoptes doesnt recognize any thin client... why?
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| 21:26 | <tfdl> Hello guys, I have (ubuntu 12.04.3 alternate-i386.iso installer) LTSP server and its thin-clients PXE boot and running very nicely for hour University Library. I am very happy, but because some of our thin client terminals need to rotate the screen portrait (orientation of the desktop needed to be portrait). I have looked at and read many article and pages on LTSP help but still can not make it work. Please if you can help even just point
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| 21:27 | <Nicaragua> any idea please?
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| 21:44 | <||cw> tfdl: what have you tried?
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| 21:45 | various xrandr things i assume?
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| 21:45 | you may also need to force a different video driver on the client, not all support portrait mode
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| 21:46 | <tfdl> ok
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| 21:47 | you are right cw
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| 21:47 | i have tried xrandr
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| 21:47 | so i tried on the LTSP server
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| 21:47 | and it does not work even on LTSP server
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| 21:48 | <||cw> in tls.conf?
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| 21:48 | <tfdl> so I tried xorg.conf but this file is not there to modify
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| 21:48 | <||cw> or what do you mean "on the ltsp server"
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| 21:48 | <tfdl> i tried to run xrandr on the server
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| 21:50 | both of my thin server and thin clients are rung fine with nice desktops accept I can not rotate the desktop/screen portrait using xrandr and when i try to modify the /etc/X11/xorg.conf the file is not there to modify
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| 21:50 | you want me to look at the lts.conf?
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| 21:51 | <||cw> the X process is on the clients, not on the server. you have to send the configs via lts.conf
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| 21:51 | <tfdl> ok
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| 21:52 | i understand you
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| 21:53 | it was that because i could not rotate the client so i decided to try out the server but i could not do on the server as well. i do not need to rotate the server, i only want to rotate the clients as you indicated.
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| 21:53 | <||cw> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man5/lts.conf.5.html#contenttoc10
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| 21:53 | how did you try on the client?
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| 21:54 | <tfdl> open terminal run xrandr -> failed
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| 21:54 | <||cw> making xorg.conf's is the very last resort. you can do it, but it's harder and often unnecessary.
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| 21:54 | localapps terminal or via logged in client?
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| 21:54 | you'd need to use a localapp terminal, otherwise it runs on the server
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| 21:54 | <tfdl> the open desktop tried using the gui to rotate but there was only one option to pick that was Horizontal
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| 21:56 | right now by default on a fresh successfull install the client is logged in but i will want localapps terminal in the future. my next task is still rotate the screen 90 degree because our monitors here are set portrait
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| 21:59 | but because all our thin clients are diskless so i assume that i can not use localapps terminal.
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| 22:01 | cw, i will work the tls.conf file and using the instruction from here as you suggested http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man5/lts.conf.5.html#contenttoc10
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| 22:01 | thanks very much!
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