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Channel log from 5 February 2007 (all times are UTC)

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03:11	Hello all from Spain
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06:57	<kaminski-ltsp-br> good morning(s)
07:01	<cliebow> mornings
07:03	<Envite> good morning
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07:05	<cliebow> Envite:morning...furnace went wonky..waiting for the heaTing guy
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07:44	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> hi.. i check all but my tftp when i start ltsp-client said cannot open connection :S
07:48	<NeonLicht> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: have a look at the log files and see what the error might be
07:49	sh3mh4mf0r4sh: also you can try to install a tfpt client and try to download something from your server to see if that works out or not
07:49	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i reinstalled again
07:49	i try make this now
07:49	change my 1st dhcpd.conf when ltsp-client start (and stop by kernel panic) but start
07:49	and now tftp said
07:49	tftp...........
07:49	tftp open time out
07:49	i mean said now other messages..
07:50	where can i see the atftpd logs?
07:50	<NeonLicht> you mean the client says that?
07:50	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> tftp open time out
07:51	ltsp-srv:~# netstat -aun \| grep 69
07:51	udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:*
07:51	:\
07:52	<NeonLicht> syslog
07:52	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> normal
07:52	Feb 5 03:43:05 ltsp-srv dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:17:31:ef:43:6f via eth0
07:52	Feb 5 03:43:05 ltsp-srv dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.2 to 00:17:31:ef:43:6f via eth0
07:52	Feb 5 03:43:09 ltsp-srv dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.2 (192.168.0.1) from 00:17:31:ef:43:6f via eth0
07:52	Feb 5 03:43:09 ltsp-srv dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.2 to 00:17:31:ef:43:6f via eth0
07:53	<NeonLicht> there are no msgs from tftpd?
07:53	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> no out nothing from atftp
07:53	<NeonLicht> make sure it's running
07:53	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> look up
07:53	ltsp-srv:/etc/dhcp3# netstat -au \| grep tftp
07:53	udp 0 0 :tftp :*
07:54	have this at inetd.conf
07:54	tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --tftpd-timeout 300 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 239.239.239.0-255 --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 /tftpboot
07:54	<NeonLicht> make sure /tftpboot/ or whatever dir you're using is really being used by tftpd
07:54	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> is used by root
07:55	<NeonLicht> ah, it seems so, by your last pasted line :-)
07:55	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> what?
07:56	<NeonLicht> I mean that /tftpboot is really being used, since it is confured to do so on your inetd.conf
07:56	mmmhhhh... are you, maybe using a firewall or something which might prevent you to acces the tftpd?
07:56	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> noo..
07:56	nothinf about fw
07:57	<NeonLicht> I'm running out of ideas :-)
07:57	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i know :)
07:58	i don't know why said tftp open time out if ltspadmin said at 'S'
07:58	tftpd Yes Yes Yes Has '-s' flag
07:59	hey i dpkf-reconfigure atftpd
07:59	ask what level log i want
07:59	what i set to can see at messages?
07:59	or syslog?
08:00	debug,info,notice,alert or warning
08:01	anjaaa
08:01	atftpd.lo exist at /var/log
08:01	look said
08:01	Feb 05 03:57:13 ltsp-srv atftpd[3779.-1210460480]: atftpd: can't bind port :69/udp
08:01	and netstat said open
08:01	who said the true?
08:04	well tftp ruuning fine i guess
08:05	now said
08:05	file not found
08:05	hoooohoooo
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08:14	<pscheie> morning all
08:14	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> NeonLicht: r u there? :)
08:16	well.. i fix the aftpd trouble but when ltspclient start have a kernel panic by this
08:17	<jammcq> pscheie: hey, you getting some of this wonderful cold weather?
08:17	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(1,0)
08:17	<jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: what does it say before that?
08:17	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i have my server mount on a LVM partition.
08:17	could that said a problem :\|
08:17	<jammcq> shouldn't matter
08:17	sh3mh4mf0r4sh: what does it say before that?
08:17	<pscheie> hey jammcq
08:18	yes, it's a balmy 17 below right now
08:18	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> tftp open timeout
08:18	but now i fix.
08:18	<jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: what does it say NOW !!!!
08:18	pscheie: it's -4F here, that's cold enough
08:19	it's -40F up in Winnipeg. Watch when Scotty pops in, he'll say "It's not so bad"
08:19	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(1,0)
08:19	<jammcq> and he'll be lying :)
08:19	sh3mh4mf0r4sh: BEFORE that
08:19	<pscheie> yesterday was windier; today, so far it's rather still
08:19	<jammcq> you already told me that
08:19	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> No filesystem coult mount root, tried, ext2
08:19	<pscheie> so today almost seems nicer
08:19	<jammcq> BEFORE that
08:19	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhm
08:19	RAMDISL compressed image found at block 0
08:19	more before?
08:19	<jammcq> what's the FIRST error you are getting?
08:20	are you seeing an NFS error ?
08:20	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> nothing more
08:20	no
08:20	<jammcq> or a DHCP error?
08:20	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> no
08:20	<jammcq> it just boots the kernel, and goes right to a 'no filesystem' ?
08:20	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> exact!
08:20	<jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: show me the 'filename' entry in your dhcpd.conf file
08:21	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> 1 sec
08:21	have to change the UTP :)
08:21	<pscheie> jammcq: I've got an old PC with an S3 video chip, 2mb video ram
08:21	<jammcq> ah, good ole S3
08:21	<pscheie> X only starts if I set the res and scan for 640x480
08:21	<jammcq> not very well supported by Xorg i'm afraid
08:21	<pscheie> however, with Chuck's help yesterday, i got it to 800x600 using vesa driver
08:21	<jammcq> although you can try forcing XSERVER = s3 or Xserver = s3v
08:22	<pscheie> letting the kernel auto-build X, it would correctly identify the video
08:22	but all I'd ever get was a black screen
08:22	and on one monitor an 'out of scan range' error
08:23	why would vesa work but not the native driver?
08:23	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> filename "/tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0";
08:23	<jammcq> vesa is like a plain old vanilla driver that doesn't push very hard. the 'out of scan range' means the card is attempting to overdrive the monitor
08:23	<pscheie> with the vesa I still had to specify a scan range but at least it worked
08:23	so, should I try a better monitor
08:24	<jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: ok, show me the contents of /tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/pxelinux.cfg/default
08:24	<pscheie> better = higher scan range?
08:24	<jammcq> pscheie: or try the VERTREFRESH and HORZREFRESH settings in lts.conf
08:24	<pscheie> I was using some old 17" monitors for this
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08:25	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> reeee
08:25	have ping time out :S
08:25	jammcq: r u there?
08:25	<jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: yes
08:25	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i repeat your filename at dhcp
08:25	host ws001 {
08:25	hardware ethernet 00:17:31:EF:43:6F;
08:25	fixed-address 192.168.0.2;
08:25	filename "/tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0";
08:25	option option-129 "NIC=r8169";
08:25	}
08:25	<jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: ok, show me the contents of /tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/pxelinux.cfg/default
08:26	sh3mh4mf0r4sh: setting option-129 does NOTHING when using PXE
08:26	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> prompt 0
08:26	label linux kernel bzImage-2.6.17.3-ltsp-1 append rw root=/dev/ram0 initrd=initramfs.gz
08:26	ok
08:26	<pscheie> ah, I had tried twiddling with the X_HORZSYNC setting, made no difference
08:26	<jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: do you have any custom config files in the same place as the 'default' file ?
08:27	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> no
08:27	that was by default when ltaspadmin was created
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08:27	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> only that
08:28	<jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: how much ram in the client?
08:28	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> 512
08:28	<jammcq> hmm
08:28	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> server is dualcore 3ghz with 2 gram
08:28	<jammcq> it sounds like it's loading the kernel, and then loading the initramfs, and then unable to mount the initramfs as a root filesystem
08:28	server doesn't matter
08:28	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> so?
08:29	then..?..?
08:29	<jammcq> so....
08:30	so when you boot the client, what is the line just before the line about mounting the root fs?
08:31	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i try to copy and paste hand to hand
08:31	ACPI: (support S0 S1 S3 S4 S5)
08:32	RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
08:32	No Filesystem could mount rot, tried, ext2
08:32	Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkonwn-block(1,0)
08:32	stop there
08:32	<jammcq> wow
08:32	fails very early in the boot process
08:32	ok, do this:
08:33	cd /tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1
08:33	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok
08:33	<jammcq> sum initramfs.gz
08:33	tell me what number it shows
08:33	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> 40414 1147
08:33	<jammcq> ah, that's bad
08:33	should be 18896 1139
08:33	do this:
08:33	sum bzImage-2.6.17.3-ltsp-1
08:33	<pscheie> jammcq: can't find HORZREFRESH; did you mean X_HORZSYNC?
08:33	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> 10239 1557
08:34	<jammcq> pscheie: yeah
08:34	sh3mh4mf0r4sh: that is correct
08:34	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> look.. maybe your 2st numbers can be incorrect
08:34	here have to unzip the initrams and make som things to can pxe boot
08:34	<jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: but MINE works, yours doesn't
08:35	sh3mh4mf0r4sh: huh?
08:35	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> because can't found the correcr drviver for my ethrnet driver
08:35	<jammcq> ltspadmin should have installed that for you
08:35	you modified initramfs ?
08:35	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yes just to jump the driver of eth
08:35	just that
08:35	and zipping again
08:35	so can continue
08:35	but now stop here
08:35	<jammcq> well jeez, seems like that's an important peice of information
08:36	initramfs is the ROOT filesystem, and you are UNABLE to mount the root filesystem
08:36	so maybe you mucked something up when modifiying it
08:36	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhm coud be.
08:36	but wait
08:36	i made the copy
08:36	have the orig hwew
08:36	here
08:36	<jammcq> ok, try that
08:37	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> check this
08:37	<jammcq> what kind of ethernet card do you have?
08:37	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ltsp-srv:/tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1# sum initramfs.gz-old
08:37	13742 1145
08:37	<jammcq> jam@biglap:/tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1$ sum initramfs.gz
08:37	18896 1139
08:37	that's the one you need to find
08:37	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Realtek oh.. nono.. my ltsapadmin was created that from 1st instance
08:37	:\|
08:38	i tell you now the eth
08:38	Realtek TRL811B/8168B Gigabit Thernet Controller v2.03 (060516)
08:38	sorry
08:38	left 1
08:38	Realtek TRL8111B/8168B Gigabit Ethernet Controller v2.03 (060516)
08:38	<jammcq> so how did you modify it?
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08:39	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> well in fact has made my friend of my side and him not comming yet to work
08:39	i waiting to know what he does.
08:40	i try to put again the orig initrams.fs
08:40	to see what see client now
08:40	wait
08:40	<kaminski-ltsp-br> jammcq: so.. do you go to fisl?
08:41	<jammcq> kaminski-ltsp-br: yep, i'm planning on it
08:41	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> oh see... havea kernel panick because NIC= parameter not found
08:41	<jammcq> it'll be my 5th time there, and 6th time in brazil
08:41	<pscheie> clients shouldn't really need a gigabit NIC should they?
08:41	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> was that because i typed option-129 at dhcp.conf config file
08:41	<jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: you need to put 'NIC=xxxx' in your pxelinux.cfg/default file
08:41	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> but more before said
08:41	<kaminski-ltsp-br> i'm looking fo a chance to go to an event at another country
08:41	<pscheie> IOW, sh3mh4mf0r4sh shouldn't really need to build a new initramfs to accomodate a card that's overkill for a client
08:42	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> hehe
08:42	i guess that
08:42	because ALL my clients are same hardware
08:42	O:)
08:42	<jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: you need to read this: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions#PXE
08:42	<vanya> hi, all. need help net-booting some old laptop. it has 3com 574B PC Card NIC, not supported by rom-o-matic.net, BIOS (motherboard) doesn't support network boot. What should I do? Laptop has no floppy, no CD.. There is Windows 2000 set up on it. What should I do in order to get network booting using PXE work?..
08:42	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> well.. ok i read noe but said kernel
08:42	<jammcq> vanya: PCMCIA isn't supported by LTSP
08:42	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> freein unsuse kernel memory
08:42	==================
08:42	running /linuxrc
08:43	mountinr /proc
08:43	<jammcq> ok, getting farther
08:43	<vanya> jammcq, so, what are my options to boot this laptop?.
08:43	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> and stop there by i said befor
08:43	<pscheie> vanya: put knoppix on hard drive, have it boot to runlevel 3
08:43	<jammcq> vanya: put a full linux distro on the hard disk
08:43	<pscheie> then call 'X -query 192.168.0.254'
08:43	<vanya> hmm
08:43	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i see :)
08:44	<kaminski-ltsp-br> boot the knoppix and call the X
08:44	<vanya> is there any chance to boot just the kernel from it and everything alse from LTSP server?..
08:44	<jammcq> no, because you don't have a root filesystem
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08:45	<jammcq> the LTSP root filesystem doesn't support pcmcia
08:45	<vanya> it has just 128 MB of RAM, I don't want to waste it to all those local processes
08:45	oh, I see
08:45	<kaminski-ltsp-br> vanya: boot the knoppix and call the X from the server
08:45	<pscheie> 128mb RAM is luxurious
08:46	<kaminski-ltsp-br> vanya: you can install a basic linux at the HD and call the X too
08:46	<pscheie> 128MB ram is more than enough
08:46	<vanya> any hints on setting up Knoppix from Win2000 ?
08:46	<kaminski-ltsp-br> but its not ltsp...
08:46	<pscheie> do you want to keep the win2000?
08:46	dual boot?
08:46	<ogra> he has no CD
08:46	nor a floppy drive
08:47	<kaminski-ltsp-br> no CD... no floppy... wow
08:47	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yes!!
08:47	<ogra> (he wrote that above)
08:47	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> NIC r8169 works
08:47	:)
08:47	bt have many panics here jajaja
08:47	<pscheie> what about the debian win32 installer?
08:47	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> now said
08:47	<pscheie> point web browser at some site, click on the installer, and it puts debian into the NTFS file system
08:48	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.17.3kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko
08:48	<pscheie> modifies the win boot loader
08:48	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> running dhcpd on port 67
08:48	<kaminski-ltsp-br> mount the image and run the debian win32 installer
08:48	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> error
08:48	<vanya> pscheie, have no experience with this, got some HOWTO for me?.
08:48	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> dhcpd failed
08:48	<vanya> I will try
08:48	thanks for your help!
08:48	<pscheie> http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
08:49	it's pretty new, I haven't tried it
08:49	but it would allow you to install debian, and then run 'X -query...'
08:49	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> why now said dhcp error if client have the kernel and boot all because dhcpd server 1st client found??
08:49	<vanya> yes, I understand this
08:50	I think it will be ok for me..
08:53	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> why now said dhcp error if client have the kernel and boot all because dhcpd server 1st client found??
08:53	<kaminski-ltsp-br> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: i had this problem because the cisco switch was negotiating at the second dhcp
08:53	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> eh?
08:53	have obligatore other dhcp?
08:54	<kaminski-ltsp-br> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: no...
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08:58	<ogra> pscheie, is that a derivative of http://cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/ ?
08:59	<pscheie> not sure
08:59	that url gives me a page not found
08:59	but I know ubuntu has a similar project
09:00	but I think they are separate
09:00	I think debian's is functional now; is ubuntu's?
09:00	when I looked at the ubuntu page on it a week or two ago, it looked more like just a spec/plan
09:00	but I didn't look around very hard
09:01	<ogra> ubuntus is two releases old ...
09:02	<pscheie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/install.exe
09:02	<ogra> so it should become functional finally, never tried it ...
09:02	<pscheie> slashdot says ubuntu installer inspired debian installer
09:03	I don't really have any windows boxes to try it on--and I like it that way!
09:03	actually, I do have one here in my cube, company-provided
09:04	<ogra> heh
09:04	poor you ... there is no win in 50m distance around me :)
09:05	<pscheie> yeah, I feel dirty after using it, have to go home & take a shower ;-)
09:06	<ogra> heh
09:10	<g333k_work> where is GAdi?
09:11	<pscheie> he's not here (yet)
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09:13	<pscheie> Gadi: right on cue; did g333k_work plan that?
09:14	<g333k_work> :p
09:15	<Gadi> 1 sec guys
09:15	* Gadi suffers from IM pouncing ;)
09:16	<pscheie> Gadi: I tried your snd-sb16 parameter suggestion with some old ISA SB cards, but I still get 'device not found' errors :-(
09:23	<g333k_work> Gadi, ready?
09:23	<Gadi> pscheie: you may need to specify the IRQ and DMA and such for those cards (found in BIOS)
09:23	g333k_work: mornin
09:23	<g333k_work> Gadi, morning!
09:24	<Gadi> yeah, but I must admit, my attention is not quite "undivided"
09:24	<pscheie> yeah, I just used the settings that worked with them under 4.1
09:24	<Gadi> as I used to say in a former chip-designer life: "mind the loop delay"
09:24	<pscheie> which was the default ISA IRQ settings
09:24	<g333k_work> Gadi, I tried to build the shutdown program statically, but I have these results: http://pastebin.ca/341329
09:25	<Gadi> pscheie: have you tried with no options, then?
09:25	<pscheie> do the sound error messages end up in dmesg?
09:25	<Gadi> g333k_work: looking....
09:25	<pscheie> yeah, same result
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09:25	<pscheie> actually started with no settings, got errors, then thought 'right, it's isa, gotta specify settings'
09:26	tried the default isa settings, but still no go
09:26	I don't have a non-patched sound setup to test against to see if it behaves any differently
09:27	correction: I do have a server with unpatched sound
09:28	I'll try it against that tonight, see if it's any different
09:28	<Gadi> also, do this:
09:28	find /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules\|grep isa
09:28	and take a lookk at some of the isa driver names
09:29	maybe there's one that suits your card better?
09:29	<pscheie> do this on the server that has your patch installed?
09:29	or on old version?
09:29	<Gadi> g333k_work: I would take a look at the README and see what you need installed to build the package
09:29	g333k_work: or do apt-get build-dep <pkg>
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09:30	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Gadi: why now said dhcp error if client have the kernel and boot all because dhcpd server 1st client found??
09:32	<Gadi> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: you mean you get a kernel, but the client does not mount NFS?
09:32	usually this indicates thepresence of another dhcp server on your thin client subnet
09:32	make sure you have no conflicting dhcp servers
09:32	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> can i paste my dhcpd.conf?
09:32	only have 1
09:33	ltsp-server
09:33	<Gadi> I dont understand whats happening
09:33	can you rephrase the problem
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09:35	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> have this dhcp server
09:35	http://pastebin.ca/341338
09:36	and when i recoot my client said dhcp server not found... when client start booting catching the ip form dhcp of ltsp-server and running the initramfs.gz etc etc
09:36	s/recoot/reboot
09:38	<Gadi> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: what does syslog say? does it say "No free leases"?
09:38	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Feb 5 05:28:01 ltsp-srv dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file.
09:38	Feb 5 05:28:01 ltsp-srv dhcpd: Wrote 0 leases to leases file.
09:39	<jammcq> Gadi: I think his rtl8169 gigabit network card isn't properly supported by the kernel
09:39	<Gadi> ah
09:39	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i typed the custom default
09:40	append rw root=/dev/ram0 initrd=initramfs.gz NIC=r8169
09:40	<Gadi> is this LTSP 4.2?
09:40	or Ubuntu LTSP 5ish?
09:40	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yes
09:40	LTSP dir: /opt/ltsp-4.2
09:40	no
09:40	at debian etch 4.0
09:40	<Gadi> ah, ok
09:40	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> have to upgrade the LTSP?
09:41	<Gadi> if the NIC isnt supported, you would need a supported driver rolled into the initramfs
09:41	right, jammcq?
09:41	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> where i touch then?
09:41	if jammcq tell me i not touch the initramfs
09:41	:\|
09:41	<Gadi> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: the easiest approach is to slap in a different network card
09:41	<jammcq> yes, he tried modifying the initramfs, but it ended up not mountable
09:41	<Gadi> if you have one
09:42	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> can't open client 'cause is guarantee
09:42	<Gadi> otherwise, you can try using debian etch's LTSP 5ish implementation
09:42	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> what is ltsp 5ish ?
09:43	<Gadi> debian/ubuntu/fedora have each been working on incorporating the next gen of LTSP (LTSP5)
09:43	which will use their respective distros as the thin client OS (/opt/ltsp/i386...)
09:43	<g333k_work> Gadi, I have the static shutdown, now how can I tell my clients to load it in ram everytime they boot?
09:43	<Gadi> I call it 5ish,because LTSP5 hasn't officially been released
09:44	<cliebow> gadi:thanks for looking those traces over the other day..\
09:44	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> my apt-get just have ltsp-server with this version ltsp-server 0.99debian11
09:44	<Gadi> g333k_work: make a rc script to copy the shutdown executable from somewhere in the NFS tree to /tmp
09:44	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> where download the 5 version
09:44	<Gadi> then, execute it as we talked about in the startx screen script
09:45	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Gadi: with version 5 maybe fix the card problem?
09:45	<Gadi> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: remove /opt/ltsp and apt-get install ltsp-server
09:45	then, run ltsp-build-client
09:45	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok
09:45	<Gadi> it may
09:46	<g333k_work> Gadi, is not enough if I copy it manually to /opt/ltsp/i386/tmp ?
09:46	<Gadi> g333k_work: no
09:47	you need to put in in say, /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/myShutdown
09:47	or something
09:47	dont put it in tmp or var
09:48	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok removed /opt
09:48	and installed ltps-server
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09:54	<kaminski-ltsp-br> can i set the mouse speed at lts.conf...?
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10:00	<Gadi> kaminski-ltsp-br: if you are using a USB mouse and it is too fast, try putting: X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE ="/dev/null" in your lts.conf
10:06	<g333k_work> Gadi, All set, now I need to simulate a situation to test the issue, how can I force my clients to run MyShutdown program? I mean how can I make them run the two last lines of /etc/screen.d/startx ?
10:06	<Gadi> did you copy MyShutdown to /tmp/shutdown ?
10:06	or some such?
10:07	<g333k_work> Gadi, to .../usr/bin
10:07	<Gadi> right
10:07	<jcaceres> Gadi, /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/ wont be acceseible because it's share bye nfs
10:07	<Gadi> did you make an rc script to copy to /tmp on boot?
10:07	<g333k_work> Gadi, noup
10:08	<Gadi> ok. so make a shell script to copy /usr/bin/MyShutdown to /tmp/shutdown andplace in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d
10:09	then, add RCFILE_01 = "thatscriptname"
10:09	in lts.conf
10:09	make sure its executable
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10:09	<Gadi> finally, at then end of .../etc/screen.d/startx put: /tmp/shutdown -r
10:10	then, boot a terminal, and when it gets to a login screen, if you hit ctrl-alt-backspace, it should reboot
10:10	otherwise, somethings wrong
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10:11	<Gadi> the only question I have is whether X will die after a bit of network inactivity or if it will keep running
10:11	if it keeps running, none of this will work
10:13	and instead of putting the shutdown at the end of the screen script, you would need some ram-based daemon that checked the NFS share and rebooted after a certain amount of downtime
10:13	hmm... something to think about
10:13	you could roll it all just into that rc script
10:14	basically a script that repeatedly tries to read from NFS every n seconds and if it cannot for a certain number of tries, it reboots the thin client
10:14	<jcaceres> oka, bute where would you put that script?
10:15	<Gadi> rc.d
10:15	have it load into ram on boot and coninuously run
10:15	it would have to run as a daemon in the background
10:15	<jcaceres> will that still in memory?, according to my test only nfs stills working
10:15	<Gadi> if it as a daemon it will be in memory until you kill it
10:16	you just need to make sure to only use bash commands
10:16	in your daemon
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10:17	<jcaceres> and abut the comands, how will i make them pemarmanently accesible if all of them are loaded by nfs in the server
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10:17	<Gadi> keep it simple: while :; do cp someNFSFile /dev/null; [ "$?" != 0 ] && /tmp/shutdown -r; done
10:17	or some such
10:18	if you want, add in a counter and some sleep statements
10:18	but all in bash
10:18	should work
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10:18	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> have trouble with ltsp-build-client :S
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10:18	<jcaceres> Gadi, will /tmp/ directory continue accesible?
10:19	<Gadi> should its a tmpfs formatted ramdisk
10:20	<jcaceres> what does exaclty mean?
10:20	<g333k_work> Gadi, it doesnt reboot :(, when I run manually #MyShutdown -r now, it works
10:20	<Gadi> unless it dies with the NFS mountpoint that it is mounted on?
10:20	im not 100% positive
10:20	is this 4.2 or 4.1?
10:21	<g333k_work> 4.2
10:21	<Gadi> in 4.2, it should be accessible
10:21	g333k_work: did you make sure everything that needs to be executable is executable
10:21	ie, is /tmp/shutdown (chmod 755)
10:22	<g333k_work> Gadi, I created a script called .../etc/rc.d/copy_shutdown that copies MyShutdown to /tmp/shutdown
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10:25	<Gadi> does it chmod 755 /tmp/shutdown?
10:25	and can you run /tmp/shutdown from a shell?
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10:37	<g333k_work> Gadi, exactly I cannot find the /tmp/shutdown from a shell in the terminal, it means that it is not been copied
10:38	<pscheie> I thought ogra said the /tmp ramdisk was a 5.0 thing, but could be added back into a 4.2 setup
10:38	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> hey i change the driver for raltek from r8169 -> e1000
10:38	and have same error
10:38	dhcp failed not syncing
10:38	puaff!
10:39	<g333k_work> Gadi, this is my script /etc/rc.d/copy_shutdown http://pastebin.ca/341387
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10:41	<Gadi> g333k_work: take off the /opt/ltsp/i386
10:41	you are on the thin client when this script is run
10:48	<g333k_work> Gadi, I still cant see the shutdown in /tmp
10:50	<Gadi> you place dthe script in: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d right?
10:50	and chmod 755 /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d/copy_shutdown
10:51	and "RCFILE_01 = copy_shutdown" in lts.conf?
10:51	<g333k_work> root@ltsp-desktop:/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d# ls -l
10:51	total 20
10:51	-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 78 2007-02-05 11:40 copy_shutdown
10:51	drwxrwxr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-04-03 13:47 rc2.d
10:51	drwxrwxr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-04-03 13:47 rc3.d
10:51	drwxrwxr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-04-03 13:47 rc5.d
10:51	-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 304 2006-08-22 16:55 sample
10:51	Gadi, I added: RCFILE_01 = "copy_shutdown"
10:51	I think I have to remove the quiotes
10:51	quotes*
10:52	<Gadi> prolly not
10:52	hmm...
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10:54	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Gadi: when client start and make insmod e1000 catch the intel pro network drivers why stop when try catch the ip from dhcp server if the client itself running from dhcp server?
10:56	<g333k_work> Gadi, still not seeing shutdown in /tmp :(
10:56	<Gadi> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: the client doesnt "run"from the dhcp server. The PXE request is made before the OS is even loaded. Once the OS is loaded, it inits its own driver and makes its own dhcp request to get an IP address for the running OS. It is that part that is not working for you
10:57	g333k_work: can your run: /etc/rc.d/copy_shutdown in the shell?
10:57	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Gadi: so what have to fix... the second time when dhcp try to catch ip is when broke
10:58	<Gadi> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: is the e1000 the correct driver for the card?
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10:58	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> e1000 is my card of server
10:59	realtek 8111B is my client
10:59	<Gadi> oh. well, that doesnt make a difference
10:59	whats the card of your client?
10:59	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> realtek 8111b
10:59	that said when dhcp client detect
10:59	<Gadi> and, with LTSP5, if you dont specify a driver, does it load that driver?
10:59	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i have 4.2
10:59	no 5
11:00	<Gadi> i thought you just did apt-get install ltsp-server?
11:00	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i did it
11:01	then have error when i type ltsp-build-client
11:01	can't get from debian mirror or something
11:02	Gadi: i prefer download ltfs like i made with 4.2
11:02	some place like this
11:02	http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/isos/
11:02	there not exist the 5 ver
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11:03	<Gadi> ok. well, given that google comes up with stuff like this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=477107
11:03	I would say that you need to download the drivers, compile them into the LTSP kernel and initramfs
11:04	and then specify the NIC through a kernel param or by editing LTSP's niclist (which is its lookup table)
11:04	I would suggest looking on the LTSP wiki at instructions for rolling your own LTSP kernel for 4.2
11:05	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> how can i compile the new kernel of ltsp4.2 with this drivers?
11:06	<Gadi> download this: http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/utils/ltsp_kernel_kit_4.2u3.tgz
11:06	and the drivers you need
11:06	and follow the instructions
11:06	:)
11:07	its almost the same as rolling a regular kernel
11:07	if you are uncomfortable with rolling linux kernels, you will need to get yourself a different thin client
11:07	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok .to understend
11:08	all my problem is because my client have a network card (incompatibile) i say?
11:08	if i have toehr eth like standars could works fine?
11:08	other
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11:09	<Gadi> correct
11:09	its most likely too new :)
11:09	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> hmm..
11:10	i try with other pc
11:10	beofre make any changes.
11:10	before*
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11:16	<dan__t> 'morning.
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11:16	<dan__t> So I got this printer working on a client, which I share via CUPS. It works like a charm. However, I've noticed that if the client is not logged in (i.e. sitting at the login screen), no jobs can be printed. Is this supposed to happen?
11:23	<vagrantc> dan__t: if a user is logged in, or if you're at the login screen? which distro? which version os LTSP?
11:28	<dan__t> I was given bad information, sorry.
11:28	My mistake :)
11:28	<vagrantc> no problem :)
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11:29	<dan__t> I'm still trying to hammer out this CUPS BS.
11:29	I'd like to be able to print one job to two different devices.
11:33	<vagrantc> run the same command twice and choose a different printer? :)
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11:35	<dan__t> heheh
11:35	My customer support floor is already full of space cadets
11:35	I can't rely on them to do that.
11:37	<vagrantc> write a wrapper script that does that?
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11:43	<mathesis> hola vagrantc
11:43	hi all
11:44	<vagrantc> mathesis: buenos dias
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11:50	<dan__t> Yeah I was reading up on how to do that.
11:50	Looks like a daunting task.
11:51	<bip> ogra, r u around ?
11:52	i was wondering if there is any new about the inclusion of the fat client code into next ubuntu release
11:58	<vagrantc> bip: ogra hasn't made any commits on the feisty-fat-clients branch since early december ...
11:58	<bip> :(
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11:58	<vagrantc> bip: though, there may be developments in other areas, like network authentication, which might be making progress that aren't ltsp specific
11:59	<bip> well he was stopped by the ldap team
11:59	<vagrantc> bip: really, there's very little that's specific to ltsp to implement fat clients.
11:59	<bip> i know ...
12:00	but for skolelinux somebody did a edtailed dumb proof howto
12:00	so i tried it ...
12:00	and i managed to get it done witha couple of attempts
12:00	<vagrantc> i thought there was even a script in skolelinux ...
12:00	<bip> there isn anything like that in ubuntu
12:00	yeah there is a script theaty get it done
12:00	and a very detailed howto
12:01	<vagrantc> skolelinux already has the netowork authentication and home directory mounting stuff in place, so that's probably why it's easy to do with skolelinux
12:01	<bip> so i m confident i can get thin and fat clients working with skolelinux
12:01	<vagrantc> relatively easy, that is
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12:02	<bip> but i jhave recieved a phone call from a gfroup of ppl delain with recycled hw and they r testing ubuntu
12:02	so since iom supposed to have a metting with em to share my experience in wanted yo checj what the ubuntu ppl wre doing
12:02	<vagrantc> "delain" ?
12:02	<bip> dealing
12:02	sorry
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12:02	<bip> i m typing challenged :(
12:03	<vagrantc> i guess search for specs on network authentication on launchpad ...
12:03	<bip> yeah i was about to have a look into launchpad
12:03	but i wanted to check if ogra wasaround
12:03	<vagrantc> sure...
12:04	<bip> any new on the skolelinux front vagrantc ?
12:04	<vagrantc> i've got upload rights :)
12:04	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> in the niclist
12:04	<vagrantc> seems to be stalled on a user management interface
12:05	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> what means the (for example) 8086:1076 e1000
12:05	?
12:05	<bip> because right now i think bot debian and ubuntu r beating the commercial giant like rh an suse in ltsp integration
12:05	<vagrantc> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: cards with the pci id of 80861076 should use the module "e1000"
12:05	<bip> but as a observer i d love to see more shariung between em
12:06	i se soem things i like in skolelinux
12:06	and some in ubuntu
12:06	and qwould be great to see em both integrated
12:06	<vagrantc> bip: yeah. we've tried and pushed other distros to integrate ltsp, and there's usually some interest, but it doesn't seem to go much beyond that.
12:06	<bip> well big players dont really care about recyclin ol garbage i think
12:07	but this is fine to me
12:07	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i recompile a card
12:07	ethernet
12:07	but need inn into initramfs :\|
12:07	niclist
12:07	<bip> i dont mind if ubuntu/debian becomes the lòeaders of garbege reuse
12:07	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> need know what ????:???? of my new r1000
12:07	to can go pass my dhcp error
12:08	<vagrantc> bip: but they should care about easy of management ... you can build a network on totally brand new fancy thin/fat clients ... but it's easier to manage without the hard drives
12:08	<bip> it is ...
12:08	i m personallly tryin to mover away from clients with disks
12:08	well i sorta like the stateles client concept
12:09	<vagrantc> right.
12:09	<bip> maybe keep local boot and bion dirs to reduce network traffic to a minimunm
12:09	and tkeep everything that cant be mounted read only on servers
12:09	maybe this is the ultimate solutions
12:09	<vagrantc> that would be a maintenance nightmare, in my opinion ...
12:10	<bip> because u need to recreate the local images vagrantc ?
12:10	<vagrantc> right, and keep them in sync.
12:10	<bip> yeah i know
12:10	<vagrantc> that's the harder part, really.
12:10	<bip> it is ...
12:10	<vagrantc> the only thing i would consider locally is swap.
12:10	<bip> but if somebody could figure a way that would be the killer solution
12:11	<vagrantc> you still have additional noise/power/heat/failure having hard drives at all ...
12:11	<bip> because in astable solution how often do the boot and bin dirs change ?
12:11	well ...
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12:12	<bip> if u only need that some sort of solid state memory could be used vagrantc
12:12	<vagrantc> bip: well, there are usually kernel updates every couple months, at least. even on a stable distro.
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12:12	<bip> well every couple of months it s ok
12:12	<vagrantc> bip: and security updates weekly for other packages.
12:12	<bip> well the image updating could be incorporated into weekends routines
12:13	just a idea
12:13	<vagrantc> bip: if you're including binary dirs, what's the point of having a server?
12:13	<bip> well
12:13	the point is that all changing stuff is in a server
12:13	i m still thinkin aboiut fat machines
12:13	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Gadi: r u there?
12:14	<bip> well basically i like the idea of clients as thorw away machines
12:14	one dies ?
12:14	<vagrantc> bip: seems like at that point, you may as well just do a network authentication and home dirs on a server, and everything else locally ...
12:14	<bip> fine just plug an other one
12:14	<vagrantc> the more you keep locally, that harder that is to do
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12:14	<bip> maybe ...
12:14	<vagrantc> definitely :P
12:14	<bip> anyhow that was just for the sake of ranting ;-)
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12:15	* vagrantc counter ranted
12:15	<bip> the real point is that id love to se some ubuntu features into debian and vice versa
12:15	<vagrantc> with time, with time ...
12:15	<bip> to see some debian features into ubuntu
12:15	<vagrantc> well, time and work.
12:16	<bip> right now i really like the fact that the xubuntu alternate cd let u choose the option of settinbg up a ltsp server
12:16	what i d love to do is having ltsp server as a tasksel option
12:16	<vagrantc> bip: it works well?
12:16	<bip> it does
12:16	but doesnt handle fat clients
12:17	so if i could run the debian fat clients script into it it would be exactly what i need
12:17	<vagrantc> bip: it's possible with debconf preseeding to install ltsp as part of debian-installer now ...
12:17	<bip> r there any example online vagrantc ?
12:17	<vagrantc> bip: skolelinux :)
12:18	<bip> yes i know
12:18	<vagrantc> that's the only working example i knowof
12:18	<bip> what i d love to do is to see ltsp integrated into something less school pecific
12:18	specific
12:18	<vagrantc> basically, you need to load the ltsp-client-builder .udeb at the right point
12:18	<bip> yeah that s fantastic
12:19	<vagrantc> bip: i've thought about working on it. but various hardware failures have set it back a little.
12:19	<bip> well if u ever get it done
12:19	<vagrantc> bip: for debian/lenny (post-etch) we will hopefully have much better ltsp integration into debian-installer
12:19	<bip> count om me as tester
12:19	i m really lookin foward to have a more all-round ltsp solution
12:20	<vagrantc> right now i'm mainly trying to ensure that the ltsp in etch is solid.
12:20	<bip> yeah i can understand that ...
12:20	<vagrantc> which reminds me ... there's a couple bugs i need to fix.
12:20	<bip> well apparently our deadline has extended of about a year too
12:20	so maybe it will be ready by the time we need to be ready here
12:21	we want to fight back vista fatness with ltsp solutions here
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12:24	<bip> do u know this project vagrantc :
12:24	https://launchpad.net/miru-ocean
12:24	<vagrantc> certainly not off the top of my head
12:25	<bip> http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Miru_directory_server
12:25	it s a interesting thing it s a sort of plung and forget directory server appliance based on FreeBSD
12:26	it s supposede to take care of the autehntication and windows integration part of ltsp solution vagrantc
12:27	<vagrantc> bip: oh, i think you told me about this before. the freebsd part rings a bell.
12:27	sounds kind of like the stuff Gadi works on
12:27	<bip> yeah i like the forget pèart
12:27	part
12:27	plug it
12:27	it works
12:27	you works ;-)
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12:59	<mathesis> i need an app to control time of cyber ltsp
12:59	some apps to control cyber ltsP?
13:06	<dan__t> wtf?
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13:07	<g333k_work> Gadi, it finally works...
13:09	Gadi, Now I would want to know how to do to execute this operation when the nfs server is down
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13:48	<mistik1> jammcq: you around buddy?
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13:51	<jammcq> mistik1: hey
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13:58	jammcq: i recompile with my realtek specif onboard netcard but continues receiing ERROR dhcpd failed when client boot , what i do then?
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15:12	<Psych0> hi there ;)
15:16	what a silence in here :p
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15:20	<erdinc> hi everyone
15:23	<Psych0> hi there
15:23	<dan__t> hi
15:32	<Psych0> anyone successfull installing ltsp 5 on Slackware?
15:33	<vagrantc> not that i've heard of
15:34	though the more appropriate question is: has anyone integrated ltsp 5 into slackware
15:35	though you could build a ltsp5 debian or ubuntu environment and install that on slackware ... but that's not the real idea behind ltsp 5
15:37	<Psych0> hum.. i saw somethin on how integrating ltsp 5 into my distro...
15:37	i'll take a deep look later when i have more time ;)
15:38	<vagrantc> !integration
15:38	<ltspbot`> vagrantc: "integration" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
15:39	<Psych0> nice :D
15:50	* dberkholz needs to find more time for that
16:08	<kaos01> hi, can i server ltsp up on a 64bit box for 32 bit clients ?
16:18	<sepski> yes, but the chroot must be 32bot
16:20	<kaos01> ha ?
16:21	what does that mean ?
16:22	youmean all the binary under say ltsp-4.2/i386 ?
16:27	<sepski> yes
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16:28	<kaos01> so as long as i install all the ltsp-xxx-i386 packages it should be fine
16:29	sorry about my slowness ... but want to get it right before getting a server :)
16:30	dont want to get a 64bit machne to find out it wont work
16:31	<pscheie> kaos01: 64-bit machines don't cost much more than 32-bit machines
16:31	<kaos01> i know but it will if the 64bit version wont work as a ltsp server :)
16:31	<pscheie> athlon64 can be had for a hundreds of dollars
16:32	<kaos01> since thats what im gettingit for
16:32	<pscheie> just use 32-bit version of software on 64-bit machine
16:32	athlons do this well
16:32	athlon64-x2 is a good chip: dual core, does 32-bit well
16:33	<kaos01> also what does it mean when a cou is 32 bit but 64 bit extensible ?
16:33	<pscheie> 64-bit is over-rated
16:33	and necessary only if you're trying to go above 4GB RAM
16:33	<kaos01> pscheie, like i said i dont really care if its 4 bit, as long as it can serv3 32 bit ltsp clients
16:33	32bit ..
16:34	<pscheie> right, a box with a 64bit proc will handle 32 bit clients just fine
16:34	<sepski> kaos01, if you dont have more then 4GB ram run 32bit on the server too, the 64bit cpu works fine with 32bit
16:34	<pscheie> install the 32 bit version of the distro
16:34	<kaos01> ok thank you both ;)
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19:44	<cliebow> kaos: bear in mind if running as 64 bit server the ltspfs pieces will have to be recomiled
19:45	kaos: bear in mind if running as 64 bit server the ltspfs pieces will have to be recompiled
19:45	for local devices
19:50	<vagrantc> unless it's running debian or ubuntu ...
19:50	which have native ltspfs packages ...
19:51	or, does a 32 bit ltspfs client work with a 64 bit ltspfs server ?
19:55	<cliebow> client is ok..but in rhel4 i had to recompile the server side daemon
19:55	somehow thought he was running rh
19:56	<kaos01> ltsp4.2 just install rpms though, no ?
19:56	i cant remember comiling anything
19:56	<cliebow> if u use localdevs inrh on 64 bit
19:57	the server side ltspfs piece needs it
20:03	<kaos01> vagrantc, were you using ltsp-4.2 ?
20:04	<vagrantc> kaos01: no. ltsp 5/muekow
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20:13	<matsavhalev> is there an easy way to change the resolution of the Xserver and login in LTSP (Debian Etch)
20:13	?
20:14	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: you can set it in /opt/ltsp/ARCH/etc/lts.conf ...
20:14	* vagrantc looks for more info
20:15	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: is this using the ltsp-server package to build the environment, or the ltspadmin tools?
20:15	<matsavhalev> lts-server
20:15	dont have an lts.conf in that location though
20:15	<vagrantc> yeah, by default it's not needed.
20:15	<matsavhalev> aha
20:16	<vagrantc> only if you don't like the defaults.
20:16	<matsavhalev> will investigate that then
20:16	<vagrantc> [Default]
20:16	X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
20:16	for example ... but that will affect all machines ...
20:17	if you only want it to change for some machines, you need to specify by mac address or ip address. (hostnames may be broken without some tinkering)
20:17	i.e.
20:17	[192.168.1.56]
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20:18	<vagrantc> X_MODE_0 = 800x600
20:18	<matsavhalev> testing now:-)
20:18	is there a way to easily get that to multiboot with a pxe installer cd?
20:18	ive tried but keep getting ltsp no matter what
20:19	<vagrantc> you'd need to configure /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
20:19	though i'd recommend actually setting it up to use a different file, as that will get overwritten in some cases.
20:20	<matsavhalev> cool, if i add options like grub they will come in a menu?
20:20	<vagrantc> i.e. /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default and install pxelinux.0 into /var/lib/tftpboot/
20:20	<matsavhalev> done that already
20:20	just couldnt figure out how to get a menu or choice which to activate
20:21	<vagrantc> not like grub, like syslinux ... i haven't had a lot of luck getting pxelinux to work with menu's... but in theory, you can use menu.32
20:21	<kaos01> i think you might need nbgrub or something ...
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20:21	<vagrantc> /usr/lib/syslinux/menu.c32
20:22	matsavhalev: you'll need to read up on the syslinux docs in /usr/share/doc/syslinux for more detailed info about some of this stuff
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20:22	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: or do as kaos01 says and compile nbgrub from scratch or something like that :)
20:22	<matsavhalev> cool, and how would i switch them manually? how does it know to go to the ltsp subdirectory to get pxelinug.cfg/default
20:23	<vagrantc> but the nbgrub stuff is a little dated on the network card drivers ...
20:23	matsavhalev: you have to tell it in dhcp ...
20:23	<matsavhalev> XMODE_0 doesnt seem to make a difference btw
20:23	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: either /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf or /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf ... or wherever your dhcp is configured
20:23	<matsavhalev> thx guys for your help just new to this ltsp stuff
20:23	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: X_MODE_0 ?
20:24	<matsavhalev> for LTSP resolution in /etc/lts.conf
20:24	in chroot
20:24	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: i'm just confirming that you actually typed it correctly in the lts.conf
20:25	<matsavhalev> there is no path there, just filename "pxelinux.0" yet it goes to ltsp subdir.
20:25	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: is there a pxelinux.cfg/default sitting there?
20:25	<matsavhalev> yep and typed it properly :-)
20:26	i moved one there, before there was only an ltsp subdirectory, yet it still found the ltsp pxelinux.0
20:26	<vagrantc> have you restarted your dhcp server since you edited the configuration?
20:26	<matsavhalev> i moved the ubuntu netboot one
20:26	<vagrantc> ??
20:26	<matsavhalev> (installation image for pxe install)
20:26	trying to fix a few things at the same time :-)
20:26	<vagrantc> ah, got it.
20:27	matsavhalev: so, have you restarted the dhcp server since editing the dhcpd.conf ?
20:27	<matsavhalev> just restarted again in case i hadnt rebooting ltsp now
20:28	still going to ltsp though
20:28	i wonder where it gets the setting for that from it isnt in my dhcpd.conf
20:28	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: maybe it searches till it finds one ... are there tftp notes in your /var/log/syslog ?
20:28	<matsavhalev> nothing major
20:28	<vagrantc> that might show you what it's looking for...
20:29	<matsavhalev> just authenticated mount request from 192.168.0.246:847 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp)
20:30	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: and just to be clear, you have a /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.0 /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default ?
20:30	<cliebow> might use mac adress in lts.conf instead of ip?
20:30	<vagrantc> and your dhcp is configured with a statement like: filename "/pxelinux.0"; ?
20:30	i prefer mac addresses, becuase then you can set dhcp to dynamic.
20:31	<matsavhalev> yep got allthose files in the right places
20:31	any idea why the ltsp pxelinux is being found? i cant see it anywhere in any config files
20:31	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: maybe move aside the ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default to default.old or something and see what happens.
20:31	<matsavhalev> good idea
20:32	sorry will talk private msgs more, new to irc
20:32	<vagrantc> no need- better to troubleshoot in public so others can jump in with good ideas or learn from the process
20:32	<matsavhalev> ok rebooting pxe
20:33	moved the default file like you suggested
20:33	<vagrantc> people who hang out in the ltsp irc channel shouldn't be bothered by ltsp troubleshooting :)
20:33	<matsavhalev> tftp prefix /ltsp/i386/ - boot failed press a key to retry
20:33	where does it get that /ltsp/i386 from?
20:33	someone remind me how to use find :-) ill do a text search for it
20:34	<vagrantc> hrm.
20:34	matsavhalev: could you paste your dhcpd.conf somewhere?
20:35	matsavhalev: i've used pastebin.ca , if you don't have another preference ...
20:35	<matsavhalev> hmmmmm wierd
20:35	now i got ubuntu install
20:35	after renaming it back
20:35	strange :-)
20:36	gonna try the same steps again, but im not sure howta get ltsp back again :-)
20:36	btw http://pastebin.ca/342110
20:36	<vagrantc> well, you can just include the ltsp stuff in the configuration file for ubuntu ...
20:36	<matsavhalev> ah ok, ill try figure that out
20:36	main thing i needed it for was to install on cd-less laptops
20:36	so this will work well just gonna try with a newer ubuntu and maybe a debian
20:37	thanks guys
20:37	vagrantc
20:37	if you have any ideas for the resolution thing let me know
20:37	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: which tftpd are you using? tftpd-hpa ?
20:37	<matsavhalev> yep
20:38	<vagrantc> hrm.
20:39	a little baffling to me, overall ...
20:41	<matsavhalev> not so useful at 640x480 on a seventeen inch monitor :-)
20:42	<vagrantc> yes, i wouldn't imagine so.
20:42	<matsavhalev> still the magic when it works is worth the effort
20:42	and i really have no good way to install distros on my broken cdrom laptop so im just doing a pxeserver for a load of distros
20:43	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: you might need to play with X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH too
20:43	matsavhalev: grep X_ /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
20:44	<matsavhalev> will do
20:44	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: for all the X related configuration options ...
20:44	* vagrantc was amazed that irssi does filename completion on the filesystem
20:44	<matsavhalev> that is quite crazy
20:49	does ltsp support local sound yet?
20:49	never realised my server has a built in speaker :-)
20:56	seems it was a one off, cant get the pxe install to boot again, only ltsp
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21:16	<MaCaDe> matsavhalev: local sound on LTSP: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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22:18	<vagrantc> matsavhalev: local sound might be a little different with the version you have installed ...
22:21	matsavhalev: you should just need to set SOUND=True in lts.conf
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22:48	<matsavhalev> thx guys i am playing with it
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23:49	<edgarin> Hi people
23:49	I have a laptop Gateway SOLO 5300 and I want convert this laptop in a client of LTSP
23:49	but I have a problem
23:50	I don't know the chipset of the network card for download the room
23:50	howto I can know this?
23:52	<vagrantc> boot to linux and run "lspci -nn" should give some clues.
23:53	you could also try the floppy at etherboot.anadex.de which should tell you which to use
23:55	edgarin: this is an on-board network card, right?
23:56	because you can't really network boot with pcmcia (or usb) ethernet, i don't think.
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