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Channel log from 6 September 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:56 | <svenM> Hello
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| 08:56 | <Mava> ola
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| 08:57 | <svenM> Whoever remembers me from yesterday (I got the booting problems with some of our PCs after doing a release ugrade)
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| 08:57 | Just a short update on the issue and the results:
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| 08:59 | The kernel/graphics driver is not compatible to these PCs, so the advice to turn off the splash screen was awesome! Now we installed other packages for the GPU
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| 09:00 | They still look a bit fucked up (wrong resolution), but at least we got it running on all machines and now we simply need to include other drivers
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| 09:02 | So thanks to everyone who helped me yesterday!
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| 09:04 | <Hyperbyte> svenM, good to see you got things working. :)
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| 09:05 | <svenM> :)
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| 12:48 | <svenM_> Hey, I am back
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| 12:48 | It seems that when I start a client, it just delivers the vmware graphics driver and not the nvidia driver I installed
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| 12:49 | I followed this discussion: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.terminal-server.general/30873
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| 13:16 | <Zaphoid> I'm having issues trying to get the screen to lock on Ubuntu 12.04 guests. Seems nothing I try can make the screen lock. Still falls asleep, though.
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| 13:40 | <Zaphoid> Well, editing 50-gsettings-overrides got the screen lock back, but the user can't unlock the screen with their password, so that's also a problem...
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| 13:57 | <||cw> I seem to recall that the screen lock expects the password to be on the client and it's not by default?
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| 13:57 | <Zaphoid> ||cw: That seems to be one of the problems.
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| 14:00 | I am, unfortunately, not sure how to fix that.
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| 14:01 | <||cw> I odn't recall if there's an official way, but the idea is to copy the hash from the server's shadow file to the client
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| 14:01 | <Zaphoid> Which requires rebuilding and rebooting any time the user changes their password.
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| 14:01 | BUt it could work temporarily
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| 14:01 | I guess this is another reason for me to just use LDAP for this stuff
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| 14:15 | <||cw> no, it requires a process in the client startup to copy the data to itself
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| 14:16 | <Zaphoid> Interesting
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| 14:18 | Trying to find anything talking about that.
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| 14:20 | <||cw> my recollection isn't perfect, so it may be something else I'm thinking that needed that
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| 14:20 | <Zaphoid> Sure.
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| 14:38 | <Zaphoid> That does allow gnome-screensaver to lock/unlock, just don't have an automatic update for it yet, etc, etc.
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| 14:46 | <Zaphoid> Morning alkisg. Had a question for you on LTSP Client screen locking, if you had a moment.
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| 14:46 | <alkisg> Hi Zaphoid, hi all
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| 14:48 | Yeah ||cw said it correctly, LDM doesn't store the password hash locally, so the local user does not have a password, so screen unlocking won't work without workarounds
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| 14:48 | <Zaphoid> Ah, well
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| 14:48 | Figured.
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| 14:48 | <alkisg> Either make LDM store the hash (that part can be upstreamed),
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| 14:48 | or use LDAP, NIS or anything else instead of LDM, but you'll need other things there too, e.g. open the master ssh socket...
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| 14:49 | <Zaphoid> Only reason I was asking you specificially is I came across some old chat logs where someone said you knew how to do it, but I couldn't find where you talked about it.
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| 14:49 | Open the master ssh socket? Not sure what you mean by that...
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| 14:49 | <alkisg> LTSP 6 will be a bit better there, as it will use libpam_sshauth
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| 14:49 | The stuff that LDM does. If you decide not to use LDM, you'd have to reimplement what it does behind the scenes.
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| 14:50 | <Zaphoid> Ah, ok
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| 14:50 | Yes, I'd imagine so.
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> The easiest way would be to tell ldm to store the hash
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| 14:50 | If you know a bit of C coding, it shouldn't be hard
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| 14:50 | <Zaphoid> I've been going through some of the scripts and not seeing anything there. Would I have to rebuild ldm to do this, or would this be out of band?
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> Modify "ssh.c", rebuild ldm, send patch upstream etc
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| 14:53 | <Zaphoid> I guess I'm not clear on how gnome-screensaver (or whatever screensaver) would then authenticate against the hash LDM stored.
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> It would just check the user password
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> It's the same if the user tries e.g. "login" or "sudo" or "su - username" locally
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| 14:54 | All those don't work because there's no way for the user to authenticate locally
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| 14:54 | <Zaphoid> Sure
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> Try this for yourself, don't paste the results here: sudo grep ^$USER /etc/shadow
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| 14:55 | The hash there exists on the server but not on the ltsp client... if you copy that, then all local authentication also works
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| 14:55 | <Zaphoid> Yes, I've proven that this morning.
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| 14:55 | Copied over specific user hashes from the host to the client.
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| 14:55 | And re-enabled gnome screensaver and that is now functional.
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| 14:55 | Lots of downsides to that, of course
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> In fact it doesn't even have to be read from the server, it can be generated on the client when ldm gtk-greeter gets the password from the password box
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> If you know C programming, you can fix it in ssh.c. Otherwise there's no easy solution, you'd have to do a lot of stuff to work around it.
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| 14:58 | <Zaphoid> I'll ahve to take a look at that some.
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| 14:59 | This isn't critical for one of the things I want to do.
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| 14:59 | On the other half, I'll probably sidestep this and implement LDAP
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| 14:59 | Which is something I've been wanting to do for a while, anyway.
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| 15:01 | Assuming there's not another issue I'm unaware of with LDAP and LTSP
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> As I said, if you want the clients to use LDAP, you'd have to stop using LDM, and then reimplement some of the things LDM does. It's harder than patching ssh.c.
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| 15:45 | <Zaphoid> I see.
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| 15:45 | Makes a little sense
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> It's very easy to use LDAP on the server though, and still have the clients use ssh.c to authenticate against the server (which uses LDAP)
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| 15:48 | <Zaphoid> I thought that would be. Doesn't seem that would help the gnome-screensaver issue.
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| 15:48 | WHich would, again, require the ssh.c patching
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| 15:49 | You said the LDM code was on launchpad, right?
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> !ltsp-source
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| 15:57 | <ltsp> ltsp-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> !ldm-source
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| 15:57 | <ltsp> ldm-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/files
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| 16:02 | <Zaphoid> Hey, fun
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| 18:29 | <bcdonadio> what would be the best (or most usual) solution to sync installed packages between LTSP servers of a cluster?
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| 18:54 | <Hyperbyte> bcdonadio, rsync? Whatever syncing method you prefer I guess.
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| 18:55 | <bennabiy> Hey vagrantc, alkisg!
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| 18:55 | <alkisg> Hi guys
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| 18:56 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 18:56 | <bcdonadio> Hyperbyte, what would I rsync? just /usr? this way there won't be a record that the package is installed
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| 18:58 | <Hyperbyte> bcdonadio, I have no idea about specifics of LTSP-cluster.
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| 19:02 | <bennabiy> I am going to try to implement the changes you said alkisg. Not sure if I can get everything in for debian support, but can at least get the basics
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| 19:02 | I have a little over an hour, unless something comes up.
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| 19:02 | <muppis> We used to have a script which fetched a file contained list of packages needed to be installed and also contained default answers if something needed to be set during installation. Script was runned in cron.
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| 19:03 | <alkisg> bennabiy: nice, I hope vagrantc accepts that implementation method (i.e. not a LinuxMint/ dir, but a couple of files inside the Debian/ and Ubuntu/ dirs)
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| 19:03 | <muppis> Afterwards replaced by a meta-package for easier to maintain.
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| 19:03 | <bennabiy> alkisg: I personally think I like the LM directory, but I do have to say, the LMDE is what throws it off
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| 19:04 | <alkisg> Yeah you can't support 2 different distros with one single dir
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| 19:04 | <bennabiy> I just like that it is easy at a glance to see what is mint customized and what isnt
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| 19:04 | unless you had sub dirs
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> Or if you have only 1 script, that then in turn sources 2 other different dirs
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| 19:06 | E.g. LinuxMint/000-mint, which in turn selects if it should source UbuntuMint/* or LMDE/*. But I think that's getting it too far, I don't consider Mint a separate distro...
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| 19:06 | Just a badly designed flavor of ubuntu and debian...
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| 19:07 | <bennabiy> Which is why I think just a couple scripts within the parent distro would work
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| 19:07 | that is more what I want... that it would work
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| 19:08 | I am just thinking about maintaining it in the future.
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> It's just 3 scripts, it should take 10 minutes to write, 5 hours to test, and again the same after each new mint release... :)
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| 19:10 | The code isn't really the problem, it'll only be a few lines. Testing the code will need time, wherever you put the code.
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| 19:10 | <bennabiy> yes.
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| 19:10 | <vagrantc> so a separate plugin for the added mint support?
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| 19:10 | or set of plugins?
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| 19:11 | <bennabiy> question. Is there a way for launchpad to compile a ppa for me to "install" on a machine to test?
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> and a few small patches to existing plugins
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| 19:11 | * alkisg voted for a detect_vendor patch, and 3 scripts inside Debian/ and 3 more inside Ubuntu/ | |
| 19:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: did you comment on the merge request?
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| 19:11 | * bennabiy hopes the debian and ubuntu maintainers do not mind... ;) | |
| 19:11 | <alkisg> bennabiy: google for "launchpad recipes"
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| 19:12 | We already have a few of them for ltsp... you can write one to compile to your own ppa, while merging with your own code
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| 19:12 | <vagrantc> the detect_vendor patch is a little annoying to support a broken lsb_release...
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> vagrantc: nope, I was kinda busy to properly handle this, so I just chatted with bennabiy for a while here in irc... :)
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| 19:13 | If mint had its own ltsp packages, it could use overrides for detect_vendor
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| 19:13 | ...but I don't see that happening :)
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| 19:13 | <vagrantc> yeah, that would be better... but meh.
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| 19:17 | <bennabiy> can I download a sample recipe from launchpad?
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| 19:17 | basically, can I see the existing recipe, and then just add in my branch for testing?
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| 19:21 | <alkisg> bennabiy: here's one of mine: https://code.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+recipe/ltsp
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| 19:21 | You only want to write 2 lines for your own recipe, nothing more
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> ...or you can just run `debuild -b -tc` locally in your box :)
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| 19:23 | <bennabiy> And that basically takes whatever files are in your branch, and if those exist in the trunk, use your version ?
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| 19:24 | debuild is bzr function?
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> Nope, separate program
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| 19:25 | That recipe takes the ltsp-trunk contents, adds the debian/ packaging dir, and then builds the package
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| 19:25 | <bennabiy> I do not have it on my system... what package installs it?
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| 19:26 | <alkisg> `sudo apt-get build-dep ltsp` should get you all dependencies...
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| 19:26 | About the recipe, you would do the same, except that you would use your own branch instead of lp:ltsp
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| 19:26 | <bennabiy> E: Unable to find a source package for ltsp
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| 19:27 | <alkisg> Check your sources.list, that it has all the appropriate deb-src entries
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| 19:27 | <bennabiy> ahh, that is the problem.
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| 19:31 | <bennabiy> alkisg: What if I wanted to build the ubuntu version?
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| 19:32 | or am I not thinking right?
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| 19:35 | <TFDL> hello there,
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| 19:35 | at our University TFDL library
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| 19:35 | -i have a successful setup ubuntu-12.04.3-alternate-i386 - 1 thinServer and 2 thinCLients (different hardwares).
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| 19:35 | -one thinClient boots successfully and working nicely (we are very happy)
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| 19:35 | -but the other thinClient failed during boot time, show a black screen after about 15 seconds.
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| 19:35 | Here is the last few messages i recorded on a video and write it down to show you, i can give me more details if need to.
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| 19:36 | "
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| 19:36 | eth0 configured at 192.168.0.21:192.168.0.1:192.168.0.1:255.255.255.0:
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| 19:36 | done.
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| 19:36 | Begin: Mounting root file system ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ...
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| 19:36 | Begin: Setting up nbd-client ... Negotiating ..size = 253MB bs=1024, sz265449472 bytes
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| 19:36 | [ 10.867466] ndb0: unknown partition table
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| 19:36 | done.
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| 19:36 | Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ... done.
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| 19:36 | Begin: Running /scripts/local-bottom ... done.
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| 19:37 | done.
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| 19:37 | Begin: Running /script/init-bottom ... done.
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| 19:37 | done.
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| 19:37 | Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done
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| 19:37 | [ 14.632335] longhaul: Option "Enable" not set. Aborting.
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| 19:37 | "
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| 19:37 | Now it goes to black screen.
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| 19:38 | Sorry for a long message, i just want to give as much details as possible.
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| 19:39 | And I will just ask you for a pointer such as what to investigate, what to try, or what to understand.
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| 19:39 | Thanks so much for all the help thus far.
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| 19:39 | We are just so desperate to reuse our old computers.
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| 19:42 | <bennabiy> !pastebin
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| 19:42 | <ltsp> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 19:42 | * bennabiy is not one to speak though.... | |
| 19:44 | <christophe_y2k> Hello everyone, beginner question, is it possible to use ltsp without genkernel?
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| 19:48 | <||cw> christophe_y2k: most distros just use their stock kernel. I odn't see why gentoo wouldn't be ale to
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| 19:49 | then again, gentoo does a lot of things kind backwards
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| 19:49 | <TFDL> Hello <ltsp> I pasted my question with description here: http://pastebin.com/XCA121n1
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| 19:50 | thank you.
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| 19:54 | <alkisg> (10:31:59 μμ) bennabiy: alkisg: What if I wanted to build the ubuntu version? ==> you'd use the ubuntu debian/ dir instead (although nowadays it's very similar to debian)
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| 19:55 | TFDL: how much RAM does that thin client have? What graphics card? What CPU?
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| 19:55 | Also, "ltsp" is a bot, a computer program, not some human...
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| 19:55 | <christophe_y2k> ||cw: when i install gentoo i compile manually my kernel, and the ltsp overlay use genkernel, because i not understand very well genkernel, i prefere compile my kernel for my client
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| 19:56 | <TFDL> thanks alkisg
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| 19:57 | i am getting the info right now
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| 19:57 | <bennabiy> alkisg: So for my recipe, I would do this? ...
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| 20:00 | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2987000
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> bennabiy: nope, the packaging always goes in a debian/ dir
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| 20:02 | I don't know where you would find a branch with just the ubuntu packaging in launchpad, but I'm pretty sure it's somewhere out there :)
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| 20:03 | bennabiy: are you using 12.04, and plan to compile ltsp-trunk?
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| 20:03 | <bennabiy> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2987043
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| 20:03 | no, 13.04 equiv or deb 7.1
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| 20:03 | <alkisg> There were some changes between those 2 versions that require configuration changes in nbd and some other places...
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| 20:03 | <TFDL> <alkisg> RAM: 2.00 GB, Processor: VIA Nano processor U225@1300MHz 1.30 GHz, Graphic card: VIA Chrome9 HC3 IGP WDDM 1.1
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> TFDL: did you remove all the "quiet splash" words? I think there are 4 related parameters there...
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| 20:05 | !quiet-splash
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| 20:05 | <ltsp> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> ...some more things to try: SCREEN_07=shell in lts.conf, to see if it can boot to a console,
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| 20:05 | <TFDL> yes i did remove the params such as quiet splash handoff = 7.
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> and if it doesn't even reach that part, ltsp.break=50-fstab in pxelinux.cfg/default, to see if it reaches the file system,
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| 20:06 | and if it doesn't even reach that, longhaul.blacklist=1, to blacklist that driver
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| 20:06 | * alkisg waves goodnight to all | |
| 20:06 | <bennabiy> night alkis
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| 20:07 | <TFDL> ok thank you alkisg
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| 20:07 | i will try all that
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| 20:07 | thanks!
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| 20:22 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: Would this be a fine patch to the detect_vendor() ?
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| 20:22 | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2987117
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: you need [ ] on line
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| 20:25 | 5
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| 20:25 | if [ $(lsb_release -s -c) = "debian" ]; then
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| 20:25 | should probably work, otherwise.
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| 20:25 | <bennabiy> I thought [ and ] are nice, but not required? according to bash scripting
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| 20:26 | <vagrantc> depends on the case
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| 20:26 | er, the situation
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| 20:27 | <bennabiy> heh
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| 20:31 | ok... fixed that
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| 20:32 | <vagrantc> might make some minor changes in style, but overall it should work.
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| 20:33 | <bennabiy> If I do what alkisg suggested and put in 000-basic-configuration-mint, do I just put a test at the head which tests for a variable, and if it exists, use this plugin?
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| 20:34 | If I set a variable in detect vendor, it could pick it up for the sake of the plugin scripts, right?
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| 20:34 | * vagrantc forgets | |
| 20:34 | <vagrantc> gotta head out, back later
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| 20:35 | <bennabiy> I am about to head out as well... just thought I would get the basic framework out of the way...
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| 20:35 | thanks for everything
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| 20:35 | * bennabiy waves | |
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| 20:35 | <Zaphoid> I'm having some issues with printing from guests. when I gotto printer settings, says "The system printing service doesn't seem to be available"
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