IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 29 January 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:09 | <fataddict> Looking for help to change ltsp default session to lubuntu
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| 00:36 | <fataddict> Found the answer. Thanks for the support ;-)
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| 08:38 | <lifeboy> I have jetpipe not starting on a thin client, despite the patches that where made. Looked at the script (ltsp-client) and it should start, but doesn't. If I start is manually with "jetpipe /dev/usb/lp1 9100" is starts without a hitch. How can I troubleshoot this?
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| 08:38 | I don't want it to start on all the clients of course, otherwise I could just add it to /etc/rc.local
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| 08:39 | Does ltsp-client have any logging that happens? I can't see anything, but maybe the authors know more? :-)
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| 08:40 | Or should I file a bug report?
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| 08:55 | <lifeboy> Correction: If I start it manually with "jetpipe /dev/usb/lp1 9100" it starts without a hitch.
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| 11:56 | <flo1546796> hi, i used to use XKBLAYOUT option in /etc/ltsp/lts.conf to set custom keyboard layout to a specific mac adresse. But since few day it doesn't work anymore. Someone can help me to fix it ?
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| 17:10 | <Negreiros> Hi, anyone here has installed ltsp on redhat distribuition as 5.6 or 6.1?
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| 17:10 | I used 4.1 in past but I could not intall the new version
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| 17:10 | do I need to compile kernel or things like this?
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| 17:58 | <highvoltage> o/
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| 17:58 | (waving to say hi not putting my hand up for red hat hehe)
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| 18:32 | <vsuojanen> Hi
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| 18:34 | is anyone familiar with ltsp, initramfs and loading network interfaces ?
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| 18:38 | I have tried to bring up wlan device in initramfs and the device wlan0 just doesn't show up
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| 18:44 | <alkisg> vsuojanen: you're missing the module for the card
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| 18:44 | <vsuojanen> 3.5.0-45-generic, /opt/ltsp/amd64, I try to copy and init the wlan driver in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/wlan from these locations /lib/firmware/RTL8192SE, /lib/firmware/rtlwifi
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> But, I think you should start with what are you trying to do... load ltsp over wifi? and, check if it's worth it...
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| 18:46 | <vmlintu> vsuojanen: do you have the actual wlan driver module from /lib/modules in your initramfs?
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| 18:46 | <vsuojanen> yes. load small kernel and initramfs from local (usb) and mount rest from the ltsp-server
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| 18:47 | <alkisg> Are you the same person that was asking about the same thing here a week ago?
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| 18:47 | <vsuojanen> nope :)
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| 18:47 | <alkisg> OK, in short, the local initrd needs to match /lib/modules/<kernel-version/* from the server
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| 18:48 | <vsuojanen> how can I test that the modules get to the initramfs that I am loading
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| 18:48 | <alkisg> So when you update the kernel on the server, you also need to update the client initrd
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| 18:48 | <vsuojanen> I amdd confused are they loaded from the chroot or should they exist in the initramfs
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| 18:48 | <alkisg> So if you'll be updating the client initrd periodically, why not just copy the nbd image instead, which is already supported...
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| 18:48 | !local-boot
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| 18:48 | <ltsp`> local-boot: If you want LTSP fat clients on a low-speed network, you can put i386.img on e.g. C:\Boot\LTSP\i386.img and use this command line in pxelinux.cfg: APPEND ro initrd=ltsp/i386/initrd.img init=/sbin/init-ltsp root=/dev/sda1 rootflags=ro loop=/Boot/LTSP/i386.img; IPAPPEND 3
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| 18:49 | <alkisg> I.e. forget about wlan booting, boot from the usb stick instead, and only use wlan for /home/username mounting, via the usual sshfs
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| 18:51 | <vsuojanen> i was trying to keep the client as thin as possible but still boot over wlan
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| 18:53 | <alkisg> wlan is very slow, it's only good enough for 1 client... barely
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| 18:54 | But for /home/username over sshfs, it can support many clients
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| 18:56 | <vsuojanen> is wland slow also if ssh is disabled ?
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| 19:02 | <vsuojanen> then I'd also test is it possible to change ltsp to use nx to combensate the poor xsession over wlan
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> vsuojanen: to boot a client, you need e.g. 50 mbps
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| 19:05 | *MB, sorry
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| 19:05 | To boot 10 clients, 500 MB
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| 19:06 | Wlan clients get very low bandwidth when there are collisions
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| 19:06 | So they'd probably need about 5 minutes to boot...
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| 19:06 | If you're OK with things going 10 times slower than normal, then sure go ahead
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| 19:07 | <vsuojanen> I know that I need 50-70 MB for each client
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| 19:09 | <vsuojanen> 5 clients for an AP
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> Less than 10 mbps per client... really lame, only good for /home, not for the root file system nor for remote X. True, x2go might work there after the slow boot
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| 19:12 | Client specs? ram, cpu?
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| 19:16 | <vsuojanen> I was not thinking yet client specs because my target was to test heavy server and thin clients
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| 19:18 | <gbit> Hello, I'm wondering how I can use Cubieboard (ARM processor) to be a LTSP Client?
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| 19:18 | <alkisg> LTSP fat clients or localapps would work much better of wlan than thin clients
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| 19:19 | *on wlan...
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| 19:19 | Thin clients wouldn't really work, unless you use something like x2go
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| 19:19 | <vagrantc> gbit: i've tinkered with the cubieboard a bit, but haven't made too much progress
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| 19:19 | <vsuojanen> yes. but is the hooks directory right place to set the spesific driver firmware for initramfs ?
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| 19:19 | <gbit> I mean fat clients, sorry
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| 19:20 | <vagrantc> gbit: hardest part will be finding a kernel with all the needed features, it's not well supported in mainline
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| 19:20 | <alkisg> gbit: sorry I was talking to vsuojanen, ignore whatever I said above
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| 19:20 | <gbit> vagrantc: how about raspberry pi?
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| 19:20 | alkisg: allright
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| 19:21 | <gbit> How great would be to trash old hardware changing to raspberry PI or any of that. Low cost, low energy consumption.
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| 19:22 | <vagrantc> gbit: i have instructions for raspberry pi... but it's not very useable
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| 19:22 | <gbit> vagrantc: why not?
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| 19:22 | <vagrantc> gbit: it's very slow
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| 19:22 | <gbit> oh no
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> it's also not well supported by the upstream kernels
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| 19:23 | !raspberrypi
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| 19:23 | <ltsp`> raspberrypi: (#1) LTSP with raspberry pi: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/, or (#2) To use a similar environment to LTSP on the raspberry pi http://berryterminal.com/, or (#3) https://github.com/gbaman/RaspberryPi-LTSP
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| 19:23 | <gbit> So the exit is to wait for berryboot or something?
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| 19:23 | <gbit> Berryboot works for A10 version, I got the A20.
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| 19:24 | !cubieboard
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| 19:24 | <ltsp`> Error: "cubieboard" is not a valid command.
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| 19:26 | <gbit> vagrantc: Do you think would run OK on the cubieboard2? I mean by speed.
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| 19:52 | <DannyCan> Hello everyone. I am running an xubuntu LTSP fat client and it asks for the root password everytime I choose shutdown or reboot using the GUI. How can I fix it to non-sudo users can shutdown?
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> What xubuntu version? 13.10?
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| 19:52 | <DannyCan> yes
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| 19:53 | <alkisg> File a bug report for LTSP to "support" logind
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| 19:53 | Until now it only "supports" consolekit...
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| 19:53 | !ltsp-bug
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| 19:53 | <ltsp`> ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
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| 19:54 | <alkisg> In the meantime, google for "policykit" for a workaround where anyone can shut down the system...
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| 19:54 | Not just "active users"
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| 19:54 | <alkisg> (or, use 12.04... :))
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| 19:58 | <DannyCan> I have submitted the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1274267
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| 20:00 | <vsuojanen> alkisg do you know where the firmware destination should be in initramfs if one wants to add wlandevice that can be used in the kernel boot parameters as DEVICE ?
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> No, I haven't tried that because imho the result wouldn't be useful...
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| 20:03 | <vsuojanen> you're saying that one has never tried to load new firmware because the lan interfaces usually are loaded in the linux kernel ?
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> No, I'm saying that I haven't tried to load wlan drivers from the initramfs because I didn't find any cases where that would be useful to me...
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| 20:05 | <vsuojanen> excactly, np
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| 20:05 | thanks
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> You're welcome, you might want to stick around and see if anyone else has tried it
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| 20:06 | Or, try the mailing list...
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| 20:06 | <vsuojanen> sure
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| 20:06 | <DannyCan> @alkisg I'm not familiar with policykit and may need some directions to get the workaround setup. Is there any documentation regarding this or could you help?
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> # cat /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/20-org.d/usershutdown.pkla
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| 20:09 | [Allow Shutdown]
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| 20:09 | Identity=unix-user:*
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| 20:09 | Action=org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.stop-multiple-users
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| 20:09 | ResultActive=yes
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| 20:09 | You need something similar, not exactly that one, for allowing anyone to shutdown the clients
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| 20:10 | Google the related paths/keywords etc
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| 20:10 | And it would be for systemd/logind now, not for consolekit
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| 20:29 | <smurf> 8 - 10 mins to boot LTSP - any way to shorten that?
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| 20:29 | Using Centrify Express for AD authentication
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| 20:29 | pn Ubuntu 12.0.4.3
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| 20:35 | <DannyCan> @alkisg I created the file "etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/usershutdown.pkla" in the chroot with [Allow Shutdown] Identity=unix-user:* Action=org.freedesktop.login1.reboot-multiple-sessions ResultActive=yes
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| 20:35 | Does that look right to you? I'm about to test it.
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| 20:35 | <||cw> smurf: mine boots in about 10 seconds. what hardware?
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| 20:35 | <alkisg> DannyCan: no, you don't want the multiple-sessions one
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| 20:36 | That's to allow reboot when multiple users are logged in
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| 20:36 | You need the "reboot: allow any" part... instead of allow active
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| 20:37 | <action id="org.freedesktop.login1.reboot">
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| 20:37 | <allow_any>auth_admin_keep</allow_any>
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| 20:37 | That should be "yes" instead...
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| 20:38 | It's defined in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.login1.policy , but you shouldn't change it there, but do the /etc override instead...
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> !learn alkisg-todo as "support logind for fat clients"
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| 20:38 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 20:42 | <smurf> ||cw - Pentium 4 fatclient, 1gb to 2gb onsystem
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| 20:43 | server has 12 gb ram, multiple core
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| 20:43 | <alkisg> smurf: from "Loading vmlinuz..." to LDM, 8 minutes? What network speed?
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| 20:43 | <||cw> is this the client boot time or server?
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| 20:43 | I have P4 thin clients that also boot pretty quickly, less than a minute for sure
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| 20:43 | <smurf> sorry - client boot time from immediate post PXE boot
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| 20:43 | client boot time
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| 20:44 | Performance is great once booted
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| 20:45 | I have other clients (schools) that have far quicker boots, and near identical hardware
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> Does it get stuck for many minutes in some specific point? E.g. could it be trying to resolve something DNS-related, and wait until it times out?
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| 20:45 | !quiet-splash
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| 20:45 | <ltsp`> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 20:46 | <smurf> I have not shut off the splash / quiet, so I have not yet observed the boot process
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| 20:47 | <smurf> ltsp: do you mean that I should remove all those parameters that you state?
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| 20:48 | <||cw> yes
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| 20:48 | <alkisg> "ltsp" is a program, a "bot" that this channel runs to help us remember things...
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| 20:48 | <smurf> OK, I will try that....but in the meantime...likely culprit is..? DNS?
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| 20:49 | useful bot, that "ltsp"....
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| 20:53 | <alkisg> smurf: check if that client has a realtek 8029 network card, which is 10 mbps and not 100 mbps ;)
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| 20:54 | <smurf> NICs are Broadcom or Intel gbe
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| 20:54 | as is network and switches
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| 20:55 | all gbit
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