IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 27 February 2013 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <vagrantc> bobpit: probably just a little confused at what you're looking at ... try to log in while you can look at it, so people can help you.
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| 00:01 | <bobpit> from what I remember the /opt/ltsp/ directory was EMPTY
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| 00:02 | if this is the case, it is either that I am viewing it with reduced rights
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| 00:02 | or my system is corrupted
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| 00:02 | I think I used Nautilus to navigate there and examine it
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| 00:02 | <vagrantc> or you installed it in a non-standard location
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| 00:03 | bobpit: you're actually able to boot thin clients?
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| 00:03 | <bobpit> YES, I have 2 thin clients and 11 fat
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| 00:04 | <vagrantc> well, come back when you can get the troubleshooting information needed so that we can help you :)
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| 00:04 | <bobpit> what do you think I installed at a non-standard location? I think I made default installation
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| 00:04 | ok, no need to waste time now
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| 00:05 | thank you
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| 00:05 | I hope someone will be here in 9 hours from now
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| 02:59 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 06:03 | <knipwim> alkisg: morning
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| 06:03 | <alkisg> Good morning knipwim
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| 06:03 | <knipwim> Enslaver's commits are coming nicely
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| 06:04 | one question to resolve, and the client/Redhat stuff can be commited
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| 06:05 | he even made an overview of all diffs on common files: http://fpaste.org/Pvjz/
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| 06:05 | <alkisg> What question?
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| 06:06 | <alkisg> Err why the [[ $MOUNTPOINT bashism?
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| 06:07 | alkisg@server:~/lshw$ bash -c '[[ true ]]'
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| 06:07 | alkisg@server:~/lshw$ dash -c '[[ true ]]'
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| 06:07 | dash: 1: [[: not found
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| 06:07 | <knipwim> the 04-server you mean?
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| 06:07 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 06:08 | <knipwim> i've committed that one correctly to upstream already
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| 06:08 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2458
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| 06:08 | <alkisg> What other values might MOUNTPOINT have, to need grep?
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| 06:09 | Or, FSTYPE?
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| 06:09 | <knipwim> nfs4 for fstype
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| 06:09 | and /oldroot/tmp/unionfs/rofs
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| 06:10 | is the way his overlayfs script mounts
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| 06:10 | <alkisg> So ${VAR#prefix} or ${VAR%suffix} could be used...
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| 06:11 | <knipwim> true
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| 06:11 | <alkisg> Also, the $() part isn't needed...
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| 06:11 | $ if echo "1234" | grep -q 4; then echo yes; fi
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| 06:11 | yes
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| 06:11 | <knipwim> nice
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| 06:12 | didn't know that
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| 06:12 | at least it doesn't break anything now :)
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| 06:12 | but i'll change it
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| 06:13 | <alkisg> Nice work, the diff looks fine
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| 06:14 | <knipwim> even convinced him to use an Ubuntu ltsp-build-client plugin :)
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| 06:14 | and I was wondering, his Fedora dirs are all removed
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| 06:15 | did you see warren giving permission for this? and do we need it?
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| 06:20 | <alkisg> I'm not sure, but if I were to commit his diff, I'd ask warren to give an "OK", yeah...
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| 06:23 | <knipwim> ok, i'll mail him 'officially' when most of Enslaver's diffs are integrated
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| 08:08 | <knipwim> morning Enslaver
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| 08:08 | or evening
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| 08:08 | <Enslaver> Howdy
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| 08:09 | <knipwim> how was the rodeo?
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| 08:09 | <Enslaver> We missed most of the concert
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| 08:09 | We were at the carnival most of the time, found out my brother was working and chatted with him most of the time
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| 08:10 | <knipwim> good times :)
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| 08:10 | i've almost merged al Redhat changes but for the client part
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| 08:11 | a quick question, is /client/Redhat/rwtab.d supposed to be empty?
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| 08:11 | <Enslaver> yeah
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| 08:12 | well
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| 08:12 | i might put the old rwtab file back just incase
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| 08:12 | <knipwim> my question really is, can i remove it?
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| 08:12 | <Enslaver> rem, no, i think i should leave the ltsp.rwtab file in there just in case someone doesn't want to use the overlay for some reason
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| 08:12 | i've been debating that in my head
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| 08:13 | <knipwim> if it's there, you have to support it
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| 08:13 | at least, that's my argument for not including options
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| 08:13 | <Enslaver> yeah i know, and that method sucks
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| 08:14 | go ahead and throw it back in, copy client/k12linux/rwtab.d/k12linux.rwtab to client/k12linux/rwtab.d/ltsp.rwtab
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| 08:14 | <knipwim> better focus your time on making non-sucking methods work better :)
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| 08:14 | kk
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| 08:14 | <Enslaver> I will fully take it out once btrfs is stable and working in my builds
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| 08:15 | err client/Redhat/rwtab.d/ltsp.rwtab
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| 08:15 | for the dest
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| 08:17 | <knipwim> also making init-ltsp.d/09-hostname non executable
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| 08:46 | <knipwim> Enslaver: i've merged most of the Redhat specific changes
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| 08:46 | https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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| 08:46 | except for ltsp-config
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| 08:47 | <Enslaver> sweet
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| 08:47 | <knipwim> some of the changes could be included in the common one also
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| 08:47 | <Enslaver> ltsp-config isn't done
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| 08:47 | <knipwim> but need more discussion
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| 08:47 | ok
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| 08:47 | also added 04-server to the common init-ltsp.d
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| 08:48 | <Enslaver> k what about 09-hostname?
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| 08:48 | <knipwim> could that be for common as well?
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| 08:49 | <Enslaver> yeah
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| 08:49 | just that one line i believe
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| 08:49 | <knipwim> i see
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| 08:51 | <Enslaver> 00-overlay could also be included in the common
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| 08:51 | <knipwim> i can understand the (none), but why the localhost?
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| 08:51 | about the 00-overlay, true, but i'd like to let more dev take a look at it
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| 08:51 | <Enslaver> was running into an issue where the clients needed a hostname
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| 08:51 | <knipwim> some questions about them myself
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| 08:52 | yes, but localhost is a hostname right?
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| 08:52 | <Enslaver> yeah i'd probably suggest waiting for the next rev for the overlay
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| 08:52 | but its needed in my dist
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| 08:53 | yes, i cant remember the exact issue, it had something to do with it not being able to pull the lts.conf
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| 08:54 | <knipwim> you're using some exotic tftserver requiring a proper hostname?
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| 08:55 | <Enslaver> no thats what was strange, dracut was supposed to pass the lts.conf down on one of my scripts i was trying and it did the same thing
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| 08:56 | once my brain reboots i'll give you more detail
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| 08:58 | Also i was running into another issue with hostnames, if the first 4 characters are the same, wtmp/utmp merges them togethe
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| 08:59 | <knipwim> right...
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| 08:59 | no rush, i'm doing my dayjob anyway
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| 09:00 | we can discuss all of these later today, with more devs
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| 09:03 | <Enslaver> whats your dayjob?
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| 09:05 | <knipwim> i work at a foundation to stimulate ict use in education
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| 09:05 | more specifically, i'm part of our learning object search engine
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| 09:05 | <Enslaver> nice
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| 09:06 | You do the backend work for the database?
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| 09:06 | <knipwim> no, the actual development is done outhouse
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| 09:07 | <Enslaver> whats your role?
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| 09:07 | <knipwim> we're combining market wishes and future development in the domain toward the technical choices in the platform
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| 09:09 | we discuss with our end users, but also with our standards developement team and strategic people to find out which direction to take the platform
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| 09:10 | but also technical, i've made a public php class to our api
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| 09:10 | right now i'm writing a better test module for some new features
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| 09:11 | <Enslaver> Sounds interesting, how big is the company?
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| 09:12 | <knipwim> Enslaver: for instance, a query from our api: http://wszoeken.edurep.kennisnet.nl:8000/edurep/sruns?operation=searchRetrieve&version=1.2&recordPacking=xml&query=edurep+AND+%28%28about.repository+exact+khan_video%29%29&x-recordSchema=smbAggregatedData&x-recordSchema=extra
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| 09:12 | we've got like 100 people working, but the search engine team are just 4
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| 09:13 | <Enslaver> Which is php?
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| 09:13 | <knipwim> collaborating within a larger digital learning materials team of about 12
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| 09:13 | https://github.com/kennisnet/phpEdurepSearch
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| 09:13 | <Enslaver> I'm guessing it query's xml data
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| 09:14 | <knipwim> yes
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| 09:14 | we're working on a simpeler interface, for returning in json
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| 09:14 | <Enslaver> are you happy with the speeds of the xml metadata query?
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| 09:15 | <knipwim> yes
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| 09:16 | most of it is even xslt generated on the fly, and sent deflated
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| 09:18 | <knipwim> but the current xml format is not easy to parse and understand we find
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| 09:19 | <Enslaver> most of my web guys prefer jquery
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| 09:20 | <knipwim> we need a json output for those guys :)
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| 09:26 | <Enslaver> I think i just found what i was looking for
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| 09:26 | squashfs to iscsi root converter
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| 09:38 | <vmlintu> what kind of conversion is needed for iscsi?
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| 09:41 | <ltspuser_76> hey, anyone here available to help setup anonymous ftp guest?
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| 11:15 | <warren> Enslaver: um... why did you name it Redhat?
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| 11:15 | Enslaver: for one, that's not how they preferred to be called.
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| 11:15 | Enslaver: and secondly it isn't even accurate
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| 11:15 | <Enslaver> i didn't pick name
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| 11:15 | <warren> Enslaver: who did? I need to yell at them.
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| 11:16 | <Enslaver> Got a suggestion to rename it to?
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| 11:16 | <warren> Enslaver: both EPEL and Fedora are under the Fedora Project. If there should be any name, it should be Fedora. Fedora is a top-level org like Apache.
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| 11:16 | <Enslaver> hmm
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| 11:17 | <warren> Enslaver: name it Fedora or FedoraProject
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| 11:18 | <Enslaver> I want it to be separate from my fedora release tho
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| 11:18 | <warren> Enslaver: Fedora is like Apache.
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| 11:18 | <Enslaver> Enterprise 6 release != fedora release, its gonna get confusing
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| 11:19 | <warren> Enslaver: then name EL separate from Fedora
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| 11:19 | if it bothers you that much
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| 11:19 | just don't name it 'Redhat'
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| 11:19 | <knipwim> why not
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| 11:19 | it's only a packaging issue
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| 11:19 | no users will ever see it
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| 11:20 | but when they do, it's clear that code is for redhat based distro's
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| 11:20 | <warren> It is not accurate to name it that, and from a trademark point of view it is misleading for purposes of source or target identification.
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| 11:21 | <Enslaver> Well it is targeting Red Hat enterprise linux and its spinoffs
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| 11:21 | <warren> and we're not allowed to use that name. EPEL or EL are permissible names.
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> Just out of curiosity, what does "we're not allowed to use that name" mean? We can't have dirs named RedHat? Or e.g. wikipedia can't have a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat page?
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| 11:22 | <knipwim> we don't use it as a trademark names
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| 11:22 | as in, not using the name to show affiliation with Redhat, not the dirnames in the code at least
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| 11:22 | the wiki is another matter
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| 11:23 | or the homepage
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| 11:23 | <warren> technically, Fedora is not a Red Hat product. The company frowns upon calling it that now.
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| 11:23 | furthermore "Redhat" makes them cringe.
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| 11:23 | <knipwim> i agree, Fedora specific code should not be in Redhat
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| 11:24 | warren: rather RedHat?
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| 11:24 | <warren> knipwim: slightly better, but we're not allowed to use that name
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| 11:24 | <knipwim> we use it in the code as an identifier
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| 11:24 | <warren> knipwim: EL is named such for a reason, identifying the EL version level.
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| 11:25 | knipwim: is this the lsb_release thing?
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| 11:25 | <knipwim> i thought so, Redhat was the identifier used on el6
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| 11:25 | Enslaver: right ? ^^^
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| 11:26 | <warren> knipwim: No.
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| 11:26 | <Enslaver> RedHatEnterpriseLInux
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| 11:26 | <warren> knipwim: there are multiple generic clones based on RHEL6. They are all source and binary compatible with any software made for EL6.
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| 11:26 | knipwim: but they report random things in lsb_release
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| 11:27 | <Enslaver> why not just rename it to RHEL ?
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| 11:27 | <warren> knipwim: you can't rely on lsb_release for this purpose, and I reject code that insists on doing so.
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| 11:27 | <knipwim> the code currently doesn't
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| 11:27 | <warren> Enslaver: you could name it EnterpriseLinux if you want, nobody owns that mark
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| 11:27 | <Enslaver> RHEL will let people know what it is, that way I'm not confused when making a separate tree
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| 11:27 | <knipwim> Enslaver: +1
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| 11:28 | <Enslaver> plus it won't use the word RedHat
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| 11:28 | <knipwim> before Enslaver showed up i didn't even know what EL was
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| 11:28 | <warren> that's better than RedHat, I'm not sure how the company feels about it though
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| 11:28 | * warren checks if they registered that trademark | |
| 11:28 | <Enslaver> so everyone ok with RHEL?
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| 11:28 | <knipwim> i'm ok
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| 11:28 | :)
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| 11:28 | <Hyperbyte> Wait I'm confused.
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| 11:28 | Where is this name used?
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| 11:28 | <Enslaver> in the packaging of the trunk
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| 11:29 | <Hyperbyte> At what point will an end-user see the name?
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| 11:29 | <knipwim> Hyperbyte: dirnames for RHEL specific code
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> The user will see it at /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/RHEL
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| 11:29 | <warren> Enslaver: it's a little problematic that the needed code between fedora and RHEL is almost identical though
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| 11:29 | <Enslaver> well, they will see VENDOR="Redhat" in configs
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| 11:30 | <warren> don't use that name there either, please
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| 11:30 | it makes me cringe
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| 11:30 | <alkisg> Currently it's /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Fedora/
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| 11:30 | <warren> and that's even more misidentifying than the dir name
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| 11:30 | the vendor is most definitely not Red Hat
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| 11:30 | <Hyperbyte> I agree with Warren about the name being misleading, but I disagree that this could be an issue on the basis of registered trademarks.
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| 11:30 | <knipwim> it's code! not intended as trademark
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| 11:31 | <Hyperbyte> I say +1 for RHEL
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| 11:31 | <warren> Enslaver: the *only* accurate name of both Fedora and EL distros is "Fedora" or "Fedora Project", in the same sense as Apache.
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| 11:31 | RHEL is misleading but not illegal, as far as I can tell.
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| 11:31 | <knipwim> otherwise they could sue us based on these irclogs
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| 11:31 | using the name without permission
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| 11:32 | <Enslaver> ok going with RHEL for enterprise releases and Fedora for Fedora releases
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| 11:32 | <Hyperbyte> Warren, it's not a discussion about legality. If I want to distribute a file with my application called "cocacola.c" because it contains my interface to the Coca Cola website, I can.
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| 11:32 | <warren> Enslaver: that's ok, I think.
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| 11:33 | <Hyperbyte> I can't use the name or logo to promote or identify my software to end-users, because that would be considered "trade"
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| 11:34 | <warren> You, and I are not lawyers.
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| 11:34 | <Hyperbyte> Warren, you are making assumptions on what I do and do not know about trademarks.
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| 11:35 | <warren> Hyperbyte: and you're making assumptions about what I know.
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| 11:35 | <Hyperbyte> No, you're stating incorrect facts in public. That shows what you do, or in this case, do not know.
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| 11:35 | :)
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| 11:36 | <knipwim> warren: the Red Hat Trademark Style Guide only deals with the trademark as used in texts, not in code
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| 11:37 | <warren> I'll grant you that is correct.
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| 11:37 | <warren> As a former employee, we were trained to be far more cautious than that. We didn't put it any variation of those names anywhere in code except for copyright notices.
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| 11:37 | My bigger point here is not legal.
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| 11:38 | Rather, you are understanding the relationship between RHEL and Fedora incorrectly by calling them "Redhat" based distros and applying that label to them both.
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| 11:38 | <Hyperbyte> And I think we all agree that the 'RedHat' name isn't best suitable to identify Fedora and EL, or even CentOS.
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| 11:38 | <knipwim> so how do you deal with a space in the name for a variable?
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| 11:39 | <warren> That might have been true in 2002, but today everything is based on Fedora, and Fedora is an Apache-like top-level project that is far more than just the Linux distro.
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| 11:39 | knipwim: it's always wrong to use the name "Red Hat" or variations as a variable. It isn't even identifying of a particular distro. You are aiming for "EL6" compatibility.
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| 11:41 | <Hyperbyte> I think it makes sense to use Fedora and EL as identifiers. Same happens with RPM's, there are fc17 and el6 tags in RPM filenames.
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| 11:42 | <warren> and I think Enslaver is a little too concerned about using config files in a directory named "Fedora" as if it diminishes the perceived enterprise quality of EPEL6. While his name choice now I dislike, I think there is nothing wrong with it. I say "I think" because I don't know for certain what the company wants these days.
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| 12:48 | <ltspuser_31> Hi there!
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| 12:49 | Just setup a network of LTSP, I have a small question:
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| 12:50 | Looks like that the client, when booted, access the full server instead of the chrooted jail
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| 12:50 | id this the expected behavior? I was thinking the clients would have been "jailed"
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| 12:54 | <ogra_> chrooted jail ?
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| 12:54 | there is no such thing
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| 12:55 | <ltspuser_31> OK, so when the client boots, he can see the whole server system and filesystem?
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| 12:56 | <ogra_> yes, thats the purpose of ltsp ...
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| 12:56 | so you can maintain all users on the application server in a central place
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| 12:56 | <ltspuser_31> So, only the operating system is jailed, correct?
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| 12:56 | <ogra_> the chroot you refer to is to boot the clients into a login manager
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| 12:57 | <ltspuser_31> OK, fair enough to me!
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| 12:57 | <ogra_> once yu log in it is the same as if you log in on the server screen
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| 12:57 | <ltspuser_31> Thanks for clarification
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| 12:57 | yeah, I noticed that
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| 14:02 | <bobpit> hi guys
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| 14:02 | Can somebody tell me how to configure the clients?
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| 14:03 | for example, where is located the HOSTS file?
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| 14:03 | I mean the file /etc/hosts
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| 14:03 | I did change the /etc/hosts but it only affected the SERVER
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| 14:03 | I need to know how to change the clients
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| 14:12 | <Hyperbyte> bobpit, hi
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| 14:12 | Why do you need to modify /etc/hosts on the clients?
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| 14:12 | <bobpit> hello
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| 14:12 | I was talking yesterday to people and they advised me to put entries like this:
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| 14:13 | 127.0.0.1 facebook.com
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| 14:13 | inthe the HOSTS file, in order to blosk them
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| 14:13 | <knipwim> you can do that in the server dns
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| 14:13 | <bobpit> But I do not know the location of the CLIENTS hosts file
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| 14:13 | well, the solution with the hosts file seems easy
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| 14:13 | <Hyperbyte> bobpit, that's a very bad method of blocking Facebook.
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| 14:13 | <bobpit> just tell me where I can find it
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| 14:14 | <Hyperbyte> Because then I enter "www.facebook.com" and it works
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| 14:14 | <bobpit> ?
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| 14:14 | really?
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| 14:14 | <Hyperbyte> Or the IP address
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| 14:14 | And that you cannot block with a hosts file
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| 14:14 | <bobpit> I tried to follow THIS method: http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
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| 14:14 | <Hyperbyte> bobpit, why not set up a proxy server as filter?
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| 14:15 | <bobpit> if you mean SQUID, I tried and I made mistakes
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| 14:15 | I prefer something more simple
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| 14:15 | <knipwim> Hyperbyte: you can
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| 14:16 | <bobpit> I will also enter: 127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com
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| 14:16 | <knipwim> http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm
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| 14:16 | <Hyperbyte> knipwim, you can block IP's with a hosts file? ;o
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| 14:16 | <knipwim> i always use domainnames to go to websites
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| 14:16 | <Hyperbyte> Well sure.
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| 14:17 | <knipwim> the domainnames i resolve here, get resolved in my local dns first
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| 14:17 | and they point to localhost or something like that
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| 14:17 | <Hyperbyte> Meh
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| 14:17 | <knipwim> http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Tips_and_Tricks/User_Experience#Block_Websites_for_Clients
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| 14:17 | BAM
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| 14:17 | <bobpit> so guys, I guess it was not that a bad idea?
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| 14:18 | <knipwim> bobpit: check the link
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| 14:18 | <bobpit> I am doing it right now
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| 14:19 | <Hyperbyte> Meh. Setting up squid+squidGuard+shallalists is a piece of cake. Anyway, it's your party.
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| 14:19 | <knipwim> why would you do that if you can do it easier?
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| 14:19 | i don't want to maintain all that stuff
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| 14:22 | best ad block ever, i don't even have youtube ads before a vid
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| 14:22 | and less bandwidth for all the clients due to ads
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| 14:24 | <Hyperbyte> why: proxy server can do much more intelligent things, like force Google into "safe mode" so you can't Google image search porn, it also filters IP addresses as opposed to just DNS names, and you can configure it to automatically update it's lists without a lot of effort
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| 14:26 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, and you could create an admin account on the proxy server, so you can bypass proxy as admin whenever you need (or want, heh)
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| 14:26 | <knipwim> browsing porn again heh ;)
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| 14:26 | <Hyperbyte> Heh heh heh heh
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| 14:27 | <bobpit> I am sure the proxy server is more sophisticated, however a simpel block on facebook is all I need right now
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| 14:28 | <knipwim> bobpit: or reassign another ip
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| 14:28 | <bobpit> or reassign another ip. ?? I am sorry, what do you mean?
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| 14:29 | <knipwim> like 93.188.129.156 www.facebook.com
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| 14:29 | <knipwim> and it will point to theonion.com
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| 14:29 | <Hyperbyte> bobpit, this goes great!
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| 14:29 | Until someone discovers you can just use an alternative URL
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| 14:30 | Like http://www.bobpitshouldreallyuseaproxyserver.connect.facebook.com/
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| 14:31 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 14:31 | <Hyperbyte> Morning Scotty. :)
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| 14:31 | <bobpit> xo xo xo xo
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| 14:31 | that's funny
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| 14:31 | I never thought of this
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| 14:32 | <Hyperbyte> bobpit, lots of people do think of this. Some of them actually thought really hard and invented proxy servers.
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| 14:37 | <bobpit> knipwim, isn't there a way to use WILDCHARS? so that ALL sites including the string facebook will be blocked?
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| 14:38 | <knipwim> i don't think so
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| 14:38 | you can block everything to the facebook.com domain
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| 14:38 | <bobpit> I am sorry, what do you mean here?
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| 14:39 | this is what I want
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| 14:39 | to block facebook.com
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| 14:39 | <knipwim> address=/facebook.com/127.0.0.1
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| 14:40 | have you read the link i sent?
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| 14:40 | <bobpit> doing it now, yes
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| 14:40 | I am not very familiar with dns, dhcp etc
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| 14:41 | <knipwim> me neither
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| 14:42 | <bobpit> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN nameserver 127.0.0.1
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| 14:42 | these are the contents of resolv.conf
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| 14:42 | the instruction say to change it
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| 14:42 | <knipwim> on the client?
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| 14:42 | <bobpit> no, sorry
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| 14:42 | <Hyperbyte> knipwim, I have updated that wiki page. :P
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| 14:42 | <bobpit> I am trying to understand what it says
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| 14:43 | <knipwim> Hyperbyte: dude
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| 14:43 | <bobpit> Hyperbyte, heeeeeey, you are cheating !!!
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| 14:43 | <knipwim> " is the preferred method " ?
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| 14:43 | <Hyperbyte> knipwim, no! I refuse to help users in way!
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| 14:43 | apt-get install squidguard
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| 14:44 | cd /usr/local/squidGuard/db
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| 14:44 | wget http://whatever/blacklist.tgz
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| 14:44 | tar -zxvf blacklist.tgz
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| 14:44 | service squidguard start
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| 14:44 | Done!
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| 14:44 | <knipwim> and another service added to the system
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| 14:45 | <Hyperbyte> bobpit, if you're convinced your method is SIMPLER than actually getting a proxy server, then you are NUTS. Sorry to say it, but there you have it.
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| 14:45 | knipwim, so? squid's cpu/ram usage is neglible.
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| 14:45 | <knipwim> it's the principle
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| 14:45 | for me anyway
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| 14:47 | <Hyperbyte> Great argument. :-D
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| 14:47 | <knipwim> i can explain
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| 14:47 | <bobpit> the link http://whatever/blacklist.tgz does not work
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| 14:47 | <knipwim> less tools = less footprint = less maintanance
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| 14:47 | <Hyperbyte> I'm going to stop discussing this point further. I've made my case... I don't have stock in squid, so another more or less user really doesn't matter to me.
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| 14:48 | <bobpit> or is it just a file to download?
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| 14:48 | is squidguard easir to use than SQUID?
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| 14:48 | because I failed at squid
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| 14:48 | <Hyperbyte> bobpit, it was a quick example. You'll also have to add one line to squid.conf... see http://www.shallalist.de/ for blacklist download.
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| 14:49 | bobpit, squidguard is an extension to squid that does the blocking.
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| 14:49 | You install squid with the default config, don't touch... except you add one line to make squidguard work... then configure squidguard with the blacklist... done.
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| 14:49 | Read the howto's for your system.
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| 14:50 | <knipwim> yeah, it sounds less work already ;)
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| 14:50 | <bobpit> I'll keep these notes for later
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| 14:50 | right now I need to understand the other way
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| 14:50 | <Hyperbyte> knipwim, you as someone involved in education should know that students are very resourceful when it comes to circumventing website bans. :)
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| 14:50 | I know I was. ;-)
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| 14:51 | <knipwim> bobpit: with does your server /etc/resolv.conf list?
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| 14:51 | erm, what does...
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| 14:51 | Hyperbyte: and deny them the experience?
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| 14:52 | Hyperbyte: i was in primary school, i think only one or two of the whole school could find it out
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| 14:52 | <bobpit> knipwim, I am not at the school server right now. I can only view my test desktop machine
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| 14:52 | which does have the LTSP installation
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| 14:53 | these are the contents:
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| 14:53 | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN nameserver 127.0.0.1
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| 14:53 | that means I CANNOT chnage it
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| 14:53 | <knipwim> is that the ltsp server contents?
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| 14:54 | <Hyperbyte> knipwim: I had to mask SSH protocol as HTTPS and then tunnel all my traffic from localhost through the SSH tunnel to bypass the proxy server. :)
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| 14:54 | <bobpit> knipwim, by reading the instructions, the resolv.conf is not used/altered, correct?
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| 14:54 | <knipwim> correct, only on the client
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| 14:54 | <Hyperbyte> knipwim, no
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| 14:54 | The instructions say edit DNS_SERVER in lts.conf
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| 14:54 | And set up dnsmasq as a DNS server, and block entries via that
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| 14:55 | <knipwim> bobpit: you specify 2 nameservers in the DNS_SERVER var
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| 14:55 | the first is your server ip
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| 14:55 | <bobpit> Hyperbyte, why is the file /etc/resolv.conf mentioned in the instructions? it is not altered at all
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| 14:55 | <knipwim> the second is the one the server uses as nameserver
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| 14:55 | bobpit: the DNS_SERVER contents will overwrite the client /etc/resolv.conf
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| 14:55 | <bobpit> pleae let me read the insrtructions line by line
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| 14:56 | it is difficult for me to understand
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| 14:57 | <bobpit> I don't understand this line: DNS_SERVER="<server ip> <other dns server ips>"
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| 14:57 | <server ip> is the static ip of the SERVER, my pc?
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| 14:58 | <Hyperbyte> bobpit, yes. The other IP is the DNS server of your ISP.
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| 14:58 | <bobpit> alkisg, gia sou alkisg !
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> Hi bobpit, I saw you met the guys here, nice :)
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| 14:58 | <bobpit> lol. yes these guys are great!
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| 14:59 | The other IP is the DNS server of your ISP hmmm, ok, I need to ask this IP
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| 14:59 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, quick poll. Blocking websites... would you use DNS filtering or a proxy?
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| 14:59 | <knipwim> a lot depends on your answer :)
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: we have instructions for setting up squid, but we haven't updated them for 12.04 yet, that's why bobpit is having issues applying them...
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| 15:00 | <Hyperbyte> squid! I win!
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| 15:00 | <vmlintu> I'd rearrange the monitors in classrooms so that the teacher can see them
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| 15:00 | <knipwim> he didn't say it was easier :)
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| 15:00 | <Hyperbyte> Hahhaha, vmlintu++
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| 15:00 | <bobpit> NO! you can use EPOPTES to snoop on their screens
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| 15:00 | it is so easy!
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| 15:01 | <vmlintu> I'm not sure if using epoptes snooping would be legal
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| 15:01 | <Hyperbyte> Big Brother vmlintu is watching you. :)
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| 15:01 | Speaking of big brother and people watching you...
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| 15:01 | I got stopped by the police today, while walking on the street
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| 15:02 | I went to get some lunch, but it's pretty cold here today
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| 15:02 | They thought I looked suspicious... http://t.co/F830nxBQpL
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| 15:02 | Can you imagine that? :-/
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| 15:02 | <elias_a> If I would catch a teacher snooping pupils with epoptes or whatever I would contact police right away.
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| 15:03 | <vmlintu> elias_a: that's why I don't even dare to try.. ;)
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| 15:03 | <knipwim> Hyperbyte: no terrorist would dress like that
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| 15:03 | <elias_a> vmlintu: Because you know I would nail you? :D
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| 15:04 | <vmlintu> elias_a: yes ;)
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| 15:04 | and actually many others would do the same, actually
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| 15:05 | <bobpit> Hyperbyte, can i use the word LOCALHOST IN PLACE OF THE <server ip>, because the ip may change in the future?
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| 15:05 | <Hyperbyte> bobpit, no. And you shouldn't change your LTSP server's IP.
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| 15:06 | <bobpit> I am not sure if I have a static IP
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| 15:06 | <Hyperbyte> bobpit, you are most likely confusing local vs. internet IP addresses.
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| 15:06 | <knipwim> bobpit: not the outside ip, the local one
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| 15:06 | <Hyperbyte> Your local address -must- be static.
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| 15:06 | <bobpit> yes
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| 15:07 | <vmlintu> elias_a: speaking of which, how are things on your end?
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| 15:07 | <bobpit> ok, so the <server ip> is the INTERNAL IP , right?
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| 15:07 | <Hyperbyte> bobpit, right.
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| 15:08 | <bobpit> I know how to find this in winXP, but how do I find it in ltsp?
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| 15:09 | <knipwim> in terminal do: /sbin/ifconfig
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| 15:10 | the internal probably starts with 192.168
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| 15:10 | or the other one, 10.?.?
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| 15:10 | <bobpit> yes, just ifconfig was enough
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| 15:13 | ok, I did find the entry in the dnsmasq.conf file:
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| 15:13 | # Add domains which you want to force to an IP address here. # The example below send any host in double-click.net to a local # web-server. #address=/double-click.net/127.0.0.1
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| 15:13 | let me now make notes, to try it tomorrow.....
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| 15:13 | <elias_a> vmlintu: Things are rolling slowly. Many things to do and too much organizational bs.
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| 15:14 | vmlintu: Otherwise ok, I guess.
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| 15:20 | <vmlintu> elias_a: maybe spring makes things smoother.. sun shine and birds singing.. ;)
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| 15:21 | <ltspuser_59> trying to create a VOIP solution using raspberry pi, wondering if there is a way to lock down a system so it only opens the program. also how to make a thin client using this software. any ideas?
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| 15:22 | is this a possibility?
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| 15:24 | <vmlintu> elias_a: we now have an office in helsinki if you want to see what we've been working on..
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| 15:24 | <sbalneav> "I'd like instructions on how to build a rocket ship to the moon, but I'm only willing to wait 1 minute for a response"
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| 15:25 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq
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| 15:25 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 15:25 | Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 18:06 | <alkisg> !ltsp-debian-packaging
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| 18:06 | <ltsp> Error: "ltsp-debian-packaging" is not a valid command.
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| 18:07 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I've uploaded a fix for the ldm/ssh problem, but while trying to test it, I got hit by packaging issues... do you have a few minutes to help?
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| 18:08 | https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging stopped importing again from your tree for some reason
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| 18:08 | So I'm getting "patch doesn't apply" issues
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| 18:10 | * alkisg just clicked on "try again" for the import... | |
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| 18:35 | <alkisg> ...which failed... so I'm now creating my own import in launchpad for ltsp-debian-packaging, let's see how that goes...
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| 19:36 | * alkisg gives up on launchpad "imports" and just pushes a copy of the branch :-/ | |
| 19:47 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you could download from the original source... or i could give you commit access to the debian server
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| 19:52 | alkisg: there's probably just a change in URL for the packaging branch ... either launchpad or debian changed the supported formats
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| 19:56 | <alkisg> vagrantc: failed to build: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/132523498/buildlog.txt.gz
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| 19:56 | Applying patch fix-ltsp-cleanup-bashism patching file client/share/ltsp/ltsp-cleanup Hunk #1 FAILED at 61. 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file client/share/ltsp/ltsp-cleanup
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| 19:58 | Ah that was already applied upstream... I'll remove it and retry
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| 20:00 | vagrantc: should I also remove all the other patches? Or just this one?
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| 20:00 | * alkisg is building with the latest ltsp-trunk... | |
| 20:02 | * alkisg removes fix-ltsp-config-bashisms as well... | |
| 20:03 | <alkisg> cp client/udev/88-ltsp-sound.rules debian/ltsp-client-core.udev ==> no such file or directory
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| 20:07 | * alkisg deletes override_dh_installudev: | |
| 20:09 | * alkisg deletes fix-screen-x-common-bashisms | |
| 20:13 | * alkisg thinks all patches were applied upstream and removes all of them... | |
| 20:14 | <alkisg> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: Recommends field of package ltsp-server: unknown substitution variable ${vendor:Recommends}
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| 20:16 | W: ltsp-server: script-not-executable usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Redhat/009-mock-chroot
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| 20:18 | <Hyperbyte> Everyone knows you shouldn't mock chroots! They don't have any sense of humor whatsoever.
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> I hear they don't like being called "Redhat" chroots either...
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| 20:27 | <jammcq> heh
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| 20:28 | <Hyperbyte> I'm not getting back into that argument. :-D
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| 20:41 | <Enslaver> ba duh ching
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| 20:41 | I actually wanna call it EnslaverOS
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| 20:41 | Enslavix?
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| 20:48 | <warren> Enslaver: +1000
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| 20:53 | <alkisg> vagrantc, stgraber: for backporting, I tried to do a separate commit that addresses the issue in a minimalistic way... http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2462
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| 20:54 | That doesn't take care of LDM crashes, but it should at least work around the LDM+SSHFS problem in the normal logout case
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| 21:37 | <mildeen> hi, I've tried to install LTSP 5.2 on Debian Squeeze (also Wheezy) with this tutorial http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 21:37 | but when I try to connect with a thin client it displays "nfsmount need a path"
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| 23:21 | <rjune> Hey guys.
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| 23:22 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 23:22 | <rjune> Looking for some suggestions on something.
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| 23:23 | Let's assume you have access to a stupid powerful box(Dual 8-core E5-2690, 768GB RAM, +30TB drive space) What do you do to show off what it can do?
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| 23:29 | Yeah, I pretty much came up blank too
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| 23:30 | <awilliams> wow, I've not seen that nic in some time.
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| 23:30 | rjune: How are you man
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| 23:30 | rjune: Its mistik1 btw
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| 23:30 | <jammcq> hey
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| 23:31 | <awilliams> hey man
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| 23:31 | my inbox is flooding with ltsp, seems there's a hackfest going on :)
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| 23:32 | <jammcq> well... online hackfest
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| 23:32 | Mar 11th
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| 23:32 | <awilliams> cool
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| 23:32 | wish I could join you guys
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| 23:32 | <rjune> awilliams, yeah, I got that.
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| 23:33 | I'm doing ok.
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| 23:33 | Getting divorced!
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| 23:33 | <jammcq> wow
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| 23:33 | <awilliams> whoa!
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| 23:34 | <rjune> Is ok.
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| 23:34 | Is actually a good thing
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| 23:35 | <awilliams> I understand completely as I am also in divorce proceeding as well
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| 23:36 | I feel it for my daughter though.
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| 23:51 | <warren> sadly I have no wife no divorce, I can't join you.
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