IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 July 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:41 | <Fabiano> What software use to block some programs and desktop users?
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| 14:30 | <Fabiano_> What software can I use to manage the user uses?
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| 14:32 | What software can I use to block destop and user programs?
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| 14:32 | What software can I use to block desktop and user programs?
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| 14:47 | <Fabiano_> sabayonpessulus
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| 14:57 | pessulus
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| 15:02 | pessulus u
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| 15:03 | <workingcats> what does pessulus mean?
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| 15:09 | <Fabiano_> link?
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| 15:10 | <hsys> What software can I use to block desktop and user programs?
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| 15:10 | <muppis> Just.
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| 15:13 | <hsys> What software can I use to block desktop and user programs?
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| 15:15 | <workingcats> hsys, there's really no use in repeating your question if nobody has joined and nobody has said anything since you last asked..
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| 15:34 | <hsys> Qual software uso para bloquear alguns programas para usuários?
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| 15:35 | What software use to block some programs for users?
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| 16:45 | <hsys> What software use to block some programs for users?
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| 16:46 | <[GuS]> Hi guys, i have a doub in LTSP (latest), Gentoo: i want to launch a script (or a rc service) and nothin happens. But if once tha thin clien start, i can launch it by hand. So is not script problem. I tried with KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES (with a rc script) and with a RCFILE_01 (with a simple script) and nothin happens
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| 16:46 | what i am doing wrong?
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| 16:47 | <Cristian> buenos dias, como conectar desde ltsp.conf dos xfreeserver ejemplor, tengo dos terminal server y quiero ejecuntarlos en una pc xfreerdp ?
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| 16:47 | good morning, how to connect from two xfreeserver ltsp.conf ejemplor, I have two terminal server and I want xfreerdp ejecuntarlos on a pc?
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| 16:48 | <alkisg> hsys: give an example of a program that you want to block
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| 16:48 | [GuS]: does Gentoo run /etc/rc.local on boot? Check its contents when the client boots.
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| 16:48 | <Cristian> good morning, how to connect from two Freeserve ltsp.conf example, I have two terminal server and I want ejecuntarlos on an old pc thinclien xfreerdp?
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| 16:49 | <alkisg> Cristian: how do you want to select between those 2 servers? on login?
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| 16:49 | <[GuS]> alkisg: does not exist
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| 16:49 | <alkisg> Then custom code is needed for RCFILE, let me check the gentoo tree...
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| 16:50 | <[GuS]> ok, thanks alkisg
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| 16:50 | <alkisg> [GuS]: do you have <chroot>/opt/ltsp/i386/init-ltsp.d/50-rcfiles?
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| 16:51 | <Cristian> by ltsp.conf SCREEN_07=xfreerdp RDP_SERVER=172.21.34.1 and SCREEN_07=xfreerdp RDP_SERVER=172.21.40.10
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| 16:52 | by ltsp.conf SCREEN_07=xfreerdp RDP_SERVER=172.21.34.1 and SCREEN_04=xfreerdp RDP_SERVER=172.21.40.10
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| 16:52 | <alkisg> Cristian: only the last variable value is used, so you can't have multiple SCREEN_07 entries
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| 16:52 | <[GuS]> alkisg: let me check
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| 16:52 | <alkisg> You could have SCREEN_07 and SCREEN_08, and switch with alt+ctrl+f7/f8...
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| 16:52 | <Cristian> and this I do not worked
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| 16:52 | <[GuS]> alkisg: does not exist
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| 16:53 | exit
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| 16:53 | ups
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| 16:53 | <Cristian> permite only one coneccion to a single terminal sever?
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> Cristian: you need to specify SCREEN_07="xfreerdp 172.21.34.1" and SCREEN_08="xfreerdp 172.21.40.10". Don't use RDP_SERVER because you can't specify that multiple times.
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| 16:54 | <[GuS]> alkisg: /opt/ltsp/i686/usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/50-rcfiles
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> [GuS]: on the host, what are the contents of /etc/rc.d/rc.local ?
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| 16:54 | And I suppose you don't have /etc/rc.local on the host either, right?
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| 16:54 | <[GuS]> alkisg: nopoe
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| 16:54 | nope
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> Here it says the gentoo equivalent is /etc/rc.d/rc.local: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-894216-view-next.html
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| 16:55 | <[GuS]> the only rc, is the conf: rc.conf
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| 16:55 | maybe that is old..
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> I don't know how current is that. If it's rc.conf, then you need to modify 50-rcfiles so that it writes to rc.conf instead
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| 16:55 | <[GuS]> well, is old :D
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| 16:55 | mm i will check
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| 16:55 | thanks alkisg
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> And then submit it to a bug report so that knipwim includes it in the gentoo tree
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| 16:55 | np
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| 16:55 | <[GuS]> :)
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> [GuS]: check also this one: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Local.d
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| 16:57 | <[GuS]> alkisg: ok
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> It's probably possible to just change the path from /etc/rc.local, to /etc/local.d/rc-local.start
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| 16:57 | <Cristian> ltsp.conf not allow two connections at a time server A) xfreerdp and B) xfreerdp?
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| 16:57 | <[GuS]> Yes, i know about local. But i wanted to start a particular script for particular thin client
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> [GuS]: if you do it with 50-rcfiles, it will only work for that particular thin client
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| 16:58 | Because the other ones won't have any entries in RCFILE_xx at all
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| 16:58 | <[GuS]> alkisg: which is what i am looking for
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> Right, so just update init-ltsp.d/50-rcfiles to point to /etc/local.d/rc-local.start
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| 16:59 | <[GuS]> For what i know, in local.d script wiill start with the local service
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| 16:59 | Oks :)
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> Cristian: it does allow it, see what I wrote above
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| 16:59 | (07:53:49 μμ) alkisg: Cristian: you need to specify SCREEN_07="xfreerdp 172.21.34.1" and SCREEN_08="xfreerdp 172.21.40.10". Don't use RDP_SERVER because you can't specify that multiple times.
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| 16:59 | There are 2 servers there, one in SCREEN_07 and one in 08
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| 17:00 | [GuS]: hmm you might need to add the shebang (#!/bin/sh) and chmod +x /etc/local.d/rc-local.start, from the 50-rcfiles code...
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| 17:01 | <[GuS]> alkisg: i have only 3 lines there
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| 17:01 | is normal?
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| 17:01 | <alkisg> Yes, but they are not enough for gentoo, apparently
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| 17:01 | <[GuS]> rc-update add ltsp-client default | rc-update add sysklogd default | rc-update add vixie-cron default
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| 17:01 | <[GuS]> ok
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| 17:01 | <alkisg> Replace them with this:
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| 17:01 | <hsys> [GuS], games, graphics, system tools
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> echo "#!/bin/sh" > /etc/local.d/rc-local.start
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| 17:02 | <[GuS]> hsys: hm?
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> env | sed -n 's/^RCFILE_[0-9][0-9]=//p' >> /etc/local.d/rc-local.start
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| 17:02 | chmod +x /etc/local.d/rc-local.start
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| 17:02 | Those 3 lines should work on gentoo...
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| 17:02 | <[GuS]> alkisg: ok, thanks
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| 17:02 | <hsys> What software use to block some programs for users?
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| 17:02 | games, graphics, system tools
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| 17:03 | <alkisg> hsys: generally you can't block them only for some users... but you can use a menu editor to hide them from the menus
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| 17:03 | E.g. edubuntu has a menu editor for that
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| 17:03 | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Documentation/Edubuntu-menueditor
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| 17:04 | <Cristian> alkisg thank you I'm trying now
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| 17:05 | <[GuS]> alkisg: so, this is it right? http://pastebin.com/X5Zez6gw
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| 17:06 | alkisg: so with this i can use RC_CONFIG?
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> [GuS]: ah wait this file is not what I have in my tree...
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| 17:06 | I don't have those rc-update lines
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| 17:07 | <[GuS]> alkisg: is what i said :P
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| 17:07 | those 3 lines comes with that file
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> It appears that knipwim "retargetted" that file to do something else, so that RCFILE_xx doesn't do anything at all in gentoo,
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| 17:07 | <[GuS]> damn
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> ...so, instead of modifying that file, add another one,
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> e.g. 50-my-rcfiles
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| 17:08 | <[GuS]> weird... in olllld ltsp4 rc_file was working
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> With only the 3 lines I pasted above
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| 17:08 | <[GuS]> Ok
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| 17:08 | so al the files inside there get loaded, right
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| 17:08 | <hsys> <alkisg> Already comes installed in gnome?
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| 17:09 | <Cristian> SCREEN_02="xfreerdp 192.168.0.108" RDP_OPTIONS=--no-auth --no-nla --ignore-certificate -f -a 32 --plugin rdpsnd --plugin rdpdr --data disk:Devices:/media/ts01 --plugin rdpdr --data printer:HP-LaserJet 1100:HP-LaserJet 1100 hpijs -- 192.168.0.108 SCREEN_08="xfreerdp 192.168.0.40"
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> hsys: which distribution and version are you using?
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| 17:09 | <Cristian> ?????
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> Cristian: which distribution and version are you using?
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| 17:09 | <Cristian> in ltsp.conf
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| 17:09 | ubuntu 12.04
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> There's no ltsp.conf, there's lts.conf,
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| 17:10 | <hsys> <alkisg> 13.04 Server
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> ...and don't use RDP_OPTIONS either
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| 17:10 | Cristian: just put all xfreerdp parameters and server in the same SCREEN_xx line
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| 17:10 | <Cristian> lts.conf
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> hsys: server is not a distribution. Do you mean Ubuntu?
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| 17:11 | <hsys> <alkisg> yes
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| 17:11 | ubuntu 13.04
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> hsys: ok, then read that wiki page and install that program from software center
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| 17:11 | ...or with apt-get install, whatever you prefer
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| 17:12 | <hsys> synaptic
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| 17:13 | <alkisg> installed synaptic.
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> ...I don't understand why, but whatever makes you happy, no problem...
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| 17:15 | <hsys> <alkisg> I understand, thank you....
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| 17:17 | * alkisg waves... | |
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| 17:33 | <Cristian> <alkisg> muchisimas gracias !!!! funciono OK !!!! mil mil gracias !!!!!!
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> thank you very much!! worked OK!! thousand thousand thanks!!
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| 17:34 | :-) !!!!
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| 21:56 | <ScoutInternetSup> evening all
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| 21:56 | How goes it?
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| 21:56 | ScoutInternetSup is now known as SIS_Admin | |
| 21:56 | <SIS_Admin> guess my nick was too long for the server
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| 21:57 | * SIS_Admin wonders if anyone here can spare a coupla mins to help him out? | |
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| 22:00 | <nubae> SIS_Admin: just ask your question, people will answer if they can
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| 22:00 | asking if you can ask a question is usually self evident ;-)
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| 22:01 | <SIS_Admin> sounds fair
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| 22:01 | basically... i've got a working LTSP server (Debian Wheezy base)
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| 22:01 | and I've built a second server (also the same version of Debian Wheezy - I've even made sure they both have all the same packages except ltsp-server-standalone on the working one and ltsp-server on the new box)
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| 22:02 | and i need the second box to run as an extra login server
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| 22:02 | now i have the 'SERVER=SERVER-IP' entry set correctly in the lts.conf (assuming it'll take an IP)
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| 22:02 | <nubae> sounds like you need ltsp-cluster
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| 22:02 | <SIS_Admin> but the client i'm testing with just keeps giving a 'connection refused' error
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| 22:03 | should the native "SERVER=" option in lts.conf not just work?
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| 22:03 | i want to keep all the dhcp and tftp stuff on the master server
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| 22:03 | i've got the slave server talking to the master using NIS
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| 22:03 | <nubae> if you are abstracting user authentication to one box, and other stuff on the other, it may be more complicated than that
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| 22:04 | <SIS_Admin> and it's got /home exported (and mounted)
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| 22:04 | along with /opt/ltsp obviously
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| 22:04 | nono, the auth will work on either box
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| 22:04 | i've deliberately set up NIS to ensure that's the case
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| 22:04 | and tested
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| 22:04 | <nubae> sure, but I believe ltsp-cluster has a script that actually guides you through all this
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| 22:04 | and then u can do authentication with LDAP or whatever...
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| 22:04 | <SIS_Admin> NIS does the same as LDAP with less effort
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| 22:05 | and the authentication works (i've tested it repeatedly)
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| 22:05 | <nubae> ah... ok... so u dont want authentication specifically on one box
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| 22:05 | <SIS_Admin> no
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| 22:05 | i want the DHCP and TFTP stuff on the master server
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| 22:05 | but just want to push the logins across to the salve
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| 22:05 | slave even
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| 22:06 | and everything i've done is suggesting it should 'just work'
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| 22:06 | <nubae> so just to make sure, dhcp and tftp is working, ie... recognises clients and loads relevant image?
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| 22:06 | <SIS_Admin> yep yep
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| 22:06 | the client boots
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| 22:06 | and then as soon as it tries to open the X session
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| 22:06 | <nubae> u've switched off dhcp on the other sever
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| 22:06 | <SIS_Admin> it errors and shows "connection refused"
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| 22:06 | <nubae> server even?
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| 22:06 | * SIS_Admin hasn't even installed dhcp on the second server | |
| 22:07 | <SIS_Admin> i've deliberately kept it so that there's no issues with that side of things
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| 22:07 | <nubae> yes, sounds like its trying to authenticate against its own user db, and not finding the machine there
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| 22:07 | <SIS_Admin> no...
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| 22:07 | it doesn't look to be an auth issue
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| 22:07 | 'cause it's not getting that far
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| 22:07 | as soon as it tries to open the X session to the server
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| 22:08 | it fails to establish a connection at all
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| 22:08 | no login prompt, the screen flashes then shows the error
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| 22:08 | then loops and repeats
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| 22:08 | <nubae> ok, wait, fromt he top... which machine is giving u the connection refused, both? or the second machine without tftp/dhcp?
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| 22:09 | <SIS_Admin> so from the top
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| 22:09 | thinclient boots
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| 22:09 | picks up an IP from the master server
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| 22:09 | picks up a TFTP image
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| 22:09 | boots its client kernel
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| 22:09 | <nubae> all from master right
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| 22:09 | <SIS_Admin> yep
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| 22:09 | and in the master lts.conf
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| 22:09 | it has an entry "SERVER=10.0.0.2"
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| 22:09 | <nubae> and uve checked this by logging into client and checking dmesg/logs?
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| 22:09 | <SIS_Admin> which appears to be working
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| 22:09 | because the client is trying to pick up a connection to 10.0.0.2
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| 22:09 | for its GUI
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| 22:10 | and just gets "connection refused"
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| 22:10 | <nubae> right, thats authentication on the ldm side, no user has logged in yet
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| 22:10 | <SIS_Admin> correct
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| 22:11 | <nubae> so connection refused can happen for many reasons
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| 22:11 | uve tried resetting ssh keys?
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| 22:11 | thats usually first thing to do
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| 22:11 | <SIS_Admin> ltsp-build-sshkeys?
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| 22:11 | <nubae> ye
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| 22:11 | yes
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| 22:12 | its been a while I've run the commands, so double check, should be available tabbing
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| 22:13 | <SIS_Admin> ah, it's ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 22:13 | <nubae> keys should be regenerated with new ltsp chroots, so it maybe that
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| 22:13 | <SIS_Admin> when it generates the keys
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| 22:13 | does it put them on the host server too somewhere?
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| 22:13 | or literally just in the chroot?
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| 22:14 | <nubae> the private is in the chroot, public on the server
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| 22:14 | <SIS_Admin> okay
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| 22:14 | <nubae> in essence the client is the ssh server in this case
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| 22:14 | <SIS_Admin> that may be something to do with it then
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| 22:14 | * SIS_Admin shall investigate that bit | |
| 22:15 | <nubae> i advise setting a client side password and re-enabling root access to it (by default its off, or at least it was last time I used ltsp, admittedly, a year or so ago
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| 22:15 | doing it through the chroot and rebuilding
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| 22:17 | you can then try sshing in from the server to the client
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| 22:17 | that should eliminate the ssh keys issue
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| 22:17 | <SIS_Admin> okay
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| 22:18 | <vagrantc> nubae: heya!
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| 22:18 | you can configure the chroot to know either server
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| 22:18 | <nubae> vagrantc: hi, long time no see :-)
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| 22:18 | how's things?
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| 22:19 | <SIS_Admin> awesome, thanks for your help
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| 22:19 | <vagrantc> nubae: alright. haven't given enough time to LTSP lately ... Debian was frozen for a little too long
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| 22:19 | <SIS_Admin> i'll give that a try and see where i get with it
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| 22:19 | <nubae> I spent 3 months in hospital... major staph infection in my prosthetic implant... they had to remove it and put me through major antibiotic treatment... not fun
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| 22:19 | <vagrantc> just yesterday, uploaded the latest libpam-sshauth to Debian, which will hopefully turn out to be a cornerstone for LTSP6
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| 22:20 | <SIS_Admin> LTSP6 you say?
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| 22:20 | <nubae> I havent looked at ltsp for more than a year, so figured nows a good time to get back into it
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| 22:20 | <vagrantc> nubae: eesh. hope you're recovering alright
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| 22:20 | * SIS_Admin grins | |
| 22:21 | <nubae> well, rehabilitation is a bitch... retraining muscle strength and all that... all in all was bed ridden for 8 months
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> SIS_Admin: yeah, hopefully LTSP6 will be ready in time for the next Debian release, jessie ... at least, that's my goal.
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| 22:21 | <SIS_Admin> argh!
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| 22:21 | ooh sweet
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| 22:21 | well if you need a hand with anything towards it... do feel free to shout and i'll do what i can (including beta test)
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| 22:21 | <nubae> first waiting for private insurance to sort out my situation, then they flat out refused to pay for treatment when they found out Id be in hospital for that long
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| 22:21 | so then long road through social security
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| 22:21 | <SIS_Admin> i'm in the fairly unique position of being able to test to my heart's content
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| 22:22 | on 'live' kit
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| 22:22 | <vagrantc> one of the major plans is to throw away LDM and just use "normal" display managers with some custom hooks.
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| 22:22 | <SIS_Admin> okay
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| 22:22 | <nubae> at least that still exists here in Spain... they'll probably strip us of medical care soon though, following the footsteps of the good ol USA
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| 22:22 | <SIS_Admin> will it play nicely with lxde's display manager then? :)
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| 22:22 | <vagrantc> SIS_Admin: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes
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| 22:22 | SIS_Admin: it might
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| 22:23 | i've tried with lightdm, gdm3 and kdm so far
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| 22:23 | <nubae> hmm nice, regular gdm will be cool for custom jobs
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| 22:23 | <vagrantc> it's still in a proof of concept phase
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| 22:23 | * SIS_Admin nods | |
| 22:24 | <vagrantc> but it does work
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| 22:24 | <nubae> hey, have u tested these new arduino+4xraspberry pi in one as thin clients?
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| 22:24 | <vagrantc> nubae: haven't heard of them
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| 22:24 | <nubae> sounds like it could be really interesting for home automation/clustering
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| 22:24 | udoo boards
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| 22:24 | very cool, kickstarter just finished their funding rounds...
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| 22:25 | here let me grab the page... its worth checking out
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| 22:25 | <vagrantc> i've been working with a few arm based systems lately, openpandora, cubieboard, raspberry pi... looking at the wandboard quad next
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| 22:26 | <nubae> http://www.udoo.org/
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| 22:26 | so many exciting possibilities with all this new gear... 3d printers seem to be the craze right now
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| 22:26 | that and drones
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| 22:26 | oh and printing drones using 3d printed printers
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| 22:26 | :p
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| 22:27 | <SIS_Admin> i've gotta jet and go sort some kids out... thanks for the help though
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| 22:27 | ill let you know how i get on
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| 22:27 | i'll even
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| 22:27 | <nubae> everything seems to be open, hardware, firmware, software, so cool stuff for tinkerers
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| 22:28 | I thought about ltsp and how these boards could work really well with it, maybe
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> udoo looks pretty comprable to the wandboard
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| 22:29 | the cubieboard makes a decent thin client
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| 22:29 | although i haven't yet built it with a debian or mainline kernel
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| 22:30 | <nubae> ill check wandboard... for now udoo its been used a lot for 3d printers and robotics
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| 22:36 | I'm more interested in the hardware sensor side that arduino brings to it... does wandboard do that too, or is it just a thinclient? price is nice
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| 22:39 | <vagrantc> dunno the hardware sensor stuff really
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| 22:40 | i was just looking at a fairly cheap arm multi-core board with decent ram
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| 22:48 | <nubae> yeah udoo is the same price but you get some nice extras, if you're keen to play with writing code the hardware, sensors, etc
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| 22:49 | I guess its not what LTSP would be intended for though
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| 22:49 | <vagrantc> not intented, but surely useful if you need many of them :)
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| 22:50 | * vagrantc finds arm hacking easier using LTSP with a cross-architecture chroot | |
| 22:50 | <nubae> yeah I can imagine that for security/home automation it would be really interesting to do something with LTSP and that
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| 22:50 | <vagrantc> i.e. i have my x86 server, with an arm chroot on it to tweak
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| 22:51 | <nubae> theres even coding for springlers and irrigation (including checking ph, levels, spraying liquids according to sensors, etc)
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| 22:51 | For a large 'gardening' project that sure would be handy ;-)
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| 22:52 | I can picture a market or 2 that would benefit from that, and who wouldn't mind paying a nice premium for the service :p
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| 22:52 | and I'm not talking about folks growing strawberries or tomatoes
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| 22:54 | hell, for delicate grow operations there's people who would pay an arm and a leg for that
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| 22:55 | remote indoor gardening via your mobile phone
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| 22:56 | btw... is anyone porting lstp to android yet?
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| 22:56 | the client at least
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| 22:58 | <vagrantc> there's not really a client...
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| 22:59 | you could maybe hack LDM onto it, but we're looking to get rid of LDM...
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| 22:59 | <nubae> ok, and with it gone it would make other distros easier to integrate?
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| 23:00 | i just meant an android chroot
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| 23:00 | <vagrantc> i don't know that anyone has tried ...
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| 23:01 | android is a little more than just another distro
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| 23:01 | <nubae> im surprised, it kind of seems a natural course, given the small footprint android brings, though I guess making it touchscreen changes things
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| 23:01 | yeah, gotcha
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| 23:03 | though cheap China tablets would make interesting thin clients
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| 23:06 | * vagrantc would just as soon get Debian running on them :) | |
| 23:07 | <vagrantc> the cubieboard came with android by default
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| 23:07 | first thing i did was switch it over to debian :)
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| 23:07 | <nubae> yeah I meant running debian/ubuntu
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| 23:07 | but does ltsp handle touchscreens ok? I suppose so
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